Talk:The Pirates of Penzance

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Poetry") is more serious than, say, the Major General's speech at the beginning of Act II, or Ruth's plea to Frederic that he take her with him back to civilization, or the opening section and touching duet section of "Ah! Leave me not to Pine Alone". In fact, "Hail Poetry" is usually seen as an OTT "mock-serious" satire of churchy odes to art, and the introduction to it is certainly "mock serious". It's just one of many things satirized in this piece. All the best, --

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off with it. Second, Frederic is 21 (or 5 and 1/4), so this is not a leap year, and there is no 29 February this year. It must be either March 1 or Feb. 28. Also, as to exactly what year it is, scholars cannot agree, because it is not known whether Gilbert took into account the fact that there was no leap day in 1900 due to the calendar correction. That issue has been discussed here before. --

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the idea that Gilbert may have made a counting mistake. To add in the concept of whether F. would have been 84 or 88 seems to me to add unnecessary confusion. My own opinion is that even if Gilbert did have in mind that 1900 skipped the leap year, he still would have written the text to gloss over this so as not to confuse his audience. Best regards, --

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the Papp production, and the mere fact that it had a successful Broadway revival is very helpful in keeping a work before the theatre-going public. But I don't care that much, so feel free to edit away. Meanwhile, have you opened your boxes enough to do the Gondoliers production/casting history? Best regards, --

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1) Many numbers were encored. I don't think it's relevant. It was true of all the G&S shows, and, in fact, many, many other shows of the period. Since there was no recording technology, the only way to hear a number again (unless you wanted to buy another ticket or buy the score and sing it at

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For the G&S articles, we use UK spellings. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, however, Fulfil and Fulfill are both correct in the UK. In the US, only Fulfill is correct. In such situations, WP guidelines suggest that it is better to choose a spelling that is correct in both countries.

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Maybe so, although it is not clear whether Gilbert forgot that, and it is likewise not clear in precisely what year the action of the show is meant to be set. In any case, it is a very technical point and detracts from a first-time reader's understanding of the plot, so I fudged the issue by writing

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I seriously considered this. I didn't include Wachs's research for the same reason I didn't include my own. Although both are available on websites, both fall into the category of "new research" that doesn't yet have broad acceptance in the G&S community. To present Wachs's view, my view, and the

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Also, different productions vary, depending on the director and other factors. A director of a "traditional" style Pirates production might permit lots of "antics" and liberties by the actors, while a director of a Papp-style production might have a more restrictive idea of the relationship between

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Responding to Trovatore's last question: Because the piece was written in 1879. But whether he did or didn't, whether he remembered about 1900 or thought his audiences would remember, who cares. It's a joke, see? It is not obvious at all to anyone watching the opera; it is beside the point. You

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An editor modified the article to add, early in the synopsis, the date, February 29, as the date of the opening scene. This is wrong for two reasons. First, it is jumping the gun, because the joke about leap year doesn't occur until Act II, and it upsets the narrative flow of the synopsis to start

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The sea off Penzance is warmer than, say, the North Sea but I must admit that my experience is that I wouldn't want to swim in either sea at any time of year unless I absolutely had to. Wading on the other hand would be okay. The season actually doesn't change the sea temperature that much, just the

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I agree that it probably didn't change the order of the Big three (whatever it was - I think the opera people say Mikado, Pin, Pir, but the musicals people say Mikado, Pirates, Pin), but I think "refreshed" is a reasonable description - There are lots of productions of Pirates that are influenced by

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I have moved the relevant information into the main text and added some context. I would suggest that this is the way such information should be handled in the future, not as footnotes embedded in the list of roles or the list of musical numbers. (A separate section on musical elements would also be

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Not that unusual. In the 1970s I went to an all-boys school which put on a G&S show every two years. All the female roles were played by twelve/thirteen year-old boys whose voice hadn't broken yet. So my first appearance in a G&S show was as one of the Major-general's daughters. Nowadays the

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An explanation for the editor who insert info on a particular production. Pirates has been produced thousands and thousands of times around the world. Other than the Papp production, it would be hard to imagine that any one production would be notable enough to add to this article. One would have

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Generally, I don't think that role lists on Knowledge require a note about sources, unless there is a genuine controversy. G&S opera role lists exist in settled states available in the major modern editions of the score (e.g., Chappell and Schirmer), as well as in Bradley (1996), which is the

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IMNVHO, there's a really dubious assumption buried in all discussions of this: that Frederic was actually born on leap year's day, as the pirate king asserts. There's plenty of reason to question this; just to start with, the daughters' proposal to go wading in the ocean at that season. (This is

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Hi, Derek. Welcome back. The name of the Asimov story was "The Year of the Action". I think that the edit that the editor tried to make in the article this morning would confuse most readers. Most readers will be struggling to grasp the whole leap year joke at face value and will barely follow

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Some of the information in the footnotes was useful, and should be added elsewhere in the article. For instance, I didn't realize that "Sergeant, approach" is a reference to the canticle and response from the Anglican church service. (I am not an Anglican, and wouldn't know.) But the G&S works

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When I hear "My Sweet Lord", I keep expecting a girl-chorus background to interpose "Doo-lang, doo-lang" after each line. The similarity of these bits of G&S vs. Popeye do not necessarily jump out at you, the way "Come, friends, who plough the sea" is very obviously the inspiration for "Hail,

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Yes, I certainly get the point that it doesn't remotely matter in the context of the play. Just as it doesn't matter that the whole premise is impossible, because at the start they are supposedly celebrating his release from indentures on the day, but there is no such day because it's not a leap

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Haven't read Asimov's story but it occurs to me that if Frederick was a member of an Orthodox church using the Julian calendar system (perhaps he came from a Russian or Balkan family which had settled in England), there is no need to assume that either Gilbert or Frederick made a mistake in their

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I didn't see anything worth restoring. Anyone else, feel free to give it a shot. I myself will expand the Versions section when I get a chance (if no one else gets to it first), but what was stated in the footnote—besides being misplaced–was incorrect. Had it been accurate, I would have moved it

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in later years is one reason why that company did not survive longer. 2) I agree that this article still needs good analysis sections for both text and music. Someday I'll get to it. However, most good comedies have serious moments. I doubt you could prove that "Hail Poetry" (not "Hail TO

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Sullivan himself was once accused of similar borrowing, I believe from Mozart, and he supposedly replied, "Well, we both had only the same seven notes to choose from." Although I don't care passionately either way, I lean toward the view that the Pirate King–Popeye connection is rather tenuous.

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dates the sense "A person or company who reproduces or uses the work of another (as a book, recording, computer program, etc.) without authority and esp. in contravention of patent or copyright; a plagiarist. Also: a thing reproduced or used in this way." from 1603. OK, it doesn't specifically

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Congratulations on appearing on Knowledge's main page as a "Did you know..." listing. I've been involved in the DYK process, (never successfully, I might add!) and so I know the time it takes and the coordination required between between editors...let's just say it isn't the easiest thing to

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It is really a matter of emphasis. The actual plot itself betrays no ambiguity whatsoever. The reader of the article, upon encountering the proposed parenthetical "or 67" in the second paragraph, would be utterly perplexed. Only at the very bottom of the article would the poor reader find the

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Not completely so. There are many publications of the score and libretto that give the names of the Pirate King and the Sergeant as Richard and Edward, respectively. Furthermore, Major-General Stanley is the fourth name in the list, not the first. The roles go King, Samuel, Frederic, Stanley,

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be included in Cultural Impact? Dr. Crusher and Lt. Cmdr. La Forge are in a cargo bay discussing La Forge's possible participation in a ship production of The Pirates of Penzance and, at Dr. Crusher request, Lt. Cmdr LaForge sings the opening of I am the Very Model of A Modern Major General.

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I've just checked. The orchestration has no accompaniment. The Chappell vocal score cues the first E-natural in the piano, which I'm sure was put there only for rehearsal purposes. It could also be useful in a production with weak singers, but that's not how Sullivan intended it to be heard.

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There was also the 1994 Esgee production of Penzance with Jon English that encored not only Major-General, but also "With Cat-Like Tread," multiple times. The filmed pro-shot showed that the total number of encores were 6, count 'em, 6. Has there ever been a production that went completely

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Why make a big deal over this? The way it is written now is helpful to the reader in understanding the joke - the point is that it is going to be a long time, and Frederic and Mabel will be old. Really, do you have anything helpful to contribute here? Perhaps you can do some research on

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Bradley (1996) specifically says that "on the face of it" Frederic is 84 years old in 1940. He explains at length about the 1900 anomaly and wonders whether or not Gilbert was aware of it. But, as Marc Shepherd notes above, no one watching the opera worries about this. BTW, this is

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How do we know he assumed it was in 1877? If you just want to say it will be a long time, you could say that. I think it's a bit presumptuous to assume that Gilbert missed this rather obvious point, and it will look bad to a reader who bothers to do the arithmetic for himself.

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The play is set in Queen Victoria's time, so if Frederic lives to his eighties, his lifespan will include 1900 which was not a leap year, so he won't have a birthday for the eight years between 1896 and 1904. Therefore he won't have his 21st birthday until he is 88 years old.

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explains the problem with the year 1900. If 1900, which was not a leap year, was taken into account, then Frederic's 21st birthday does not occur until he is 88, which is 67 years after the action of the play. What possible counterargument could there be? Enlighten me.

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An anonymous editor added a section called "Errors in the script". I have modified it somewhat to take out some inaccuracies and called it "Anomalies" in the script. Is it worth keeping? I am not sure that it adds to the reader's understanding of the opera. --

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That's true, but it starts to get a little far-fetched. Over the years, people have proposed many elaborate explanations to get around the plot inconsistencies that abound in Gilbert's librettos. I think the reality is that he just didn't care very much about it.

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for more about this. The more than 500 Gilbert and Sullivan-related Knowledge pages refer to their works as operas, following the authors' intention and the nomencature in the key sources cited in this article, including Jacobs, Stedman, Bradley and Ainger. --

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entries can sometimes be a contentious topic, especially those concerning geography. You don't have to agree with everything but there is no excuse for rudeness and these things are best solved through consensus building and compromise. For more information see

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It should be pointed out that the "Sergeant, approach" number is a little more awkward than most: It's not in the vocal score, but is a partially chanted dialogue with minor orchestral accompaniment. It's not a simple "musical number". The rest... point taken.

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appropriate if there is more to say, but as it's just one paragraph, I embedded it in the Background section.) Furthermore, the statement (in the original footnote) that the E naturals are played in the orchestra was incorrect. This passage is unaccompanied.

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Sounds good. There is nothing wrong with adding the "External link" to each article, however, for anyone who wishes to do further reading. Instead of saying "Kevin Wachs article", however, perhaps it should say "2005 article from GASBAG entitled ...."? --

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The Paignton performance would, I agree, make a good hook for DYK, but unless the DYK rules have changed a lot since last time I looked, I don't think the article is eligible -- it needs to be either a new article or a greatly expanded GA, doesn't it? --

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productions around the world over the last 130 years and add more information to the productions section. Or add a textual analysis section? We have all been working on the G&S articles for over four years, and we think you are simply off base. --

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Some of the G&S opera articles make comments on cultural references in the Background sections, without breaking it into a separate "Analysis" section. I think that's okay. At some point, when there's enough of it, a separate section becomes

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Copyright law today is quite different from the 19th century. For example, there is a now an international copyright treaty that protects the work of creators throughout the world, which is partly thanks to G&S's efforts over the years. --

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not the only G&S play in which Gilbert has a character make a surprising if not ridiculous statement, with far-reaching consequences, which is just accepted without any question by the rest of the characters. Buttercup's confession in

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The word "refreshed" suggests that its popularity had been on-the-wane, and that Papp's production was responsible for resurrecting it. To be sure, there was certainly a blip of extra interest in the mid-1980s, just as the release of

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It is not include in the "original" work, although it was included in the single (on book) copyright performance in Paignton. There is a lot in the Paignton draft that is not included in the others and was never performed again. --

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I've moved it here: It could be good eventually, but it needs a more substantial depth of coverage (e.g. "Swollen by the summer rain" as an unrewritten Thespis line) before it's quite ready. Let's fix it up here, then move it back.

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But this is an academic article, not a humor piece in and of itself, and it looks bad to assert baldly "63 years", which is not stated anywhere in the text, and which when the text is analyzed as best it can be, does not follow.

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Tillet/Spencer view would take the article far afield from its core subject matter. There is one paragraph addressing all of this (the 3rd paragraph under "background." This, I think, is about as far as the article should go.

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Ah, unfortunately, the manual was recycled at about the same time when we switched from DOS to Win 3.11, so don't ask me for page numbers. Once a great product, it is now remembered only by mossbacks like yours truly. --

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I made the opposite argument in the musical theatre article, which uses US spellings, saying that we should use the spelling "theatre" instead of "theater", since the former spelling is acceptable in both countries. --

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Agreed. A production needs to be notable (in the Knowledge sense of the word) before being described in this article. Probably the only amateur production worth mentioning would be the first one ever staged, if that. --

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to create an adaptation that caught on for a very significant number of new productions, or that was shown on Broadway or the West End, or made into a major film, to really warrant a description here. Hope this helps.

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that the similarity had to be intentional; on this there is no agreement. However, Knowledge is not the place for speculation. If there is not a citable source, I suggest that the comment be removed from the article.

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differ by only 2 notes (out of 7), but the timing is significantly different. And more important, I can find no evidence for the assertion that Sammy Lerner adapted the Sullivan tune when he wrote the Popeye theme.

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comes to mind, but there are some others.) I'm convinced that Gilbert did this on purpose, expecting the topsy-turvy logic which he loved so well to be recognized as such. A character says it? It must be true!

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1) The police songs and "dance," were such crowd pleasers that the audiences insisted on encores nearly every time they were performed from 1880 to (about) 1980. Modern tastes have become more jaded, I guess.

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still has the same relative place in the hierarchy, then Papp's production can't really be said to have "refreshed" anything—except perhaps temporarily. I do agree that the production's influence is still

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I was delighted to find a fascinating review of the first performance of The Pirates Of Penzance. It was published in the New York Tribune on January 1st. 1880 and a real gem! Visit the article here:

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The (2)s at the beginning of the Pirate King lines stand for the rest at the beginning of each line. But be that as it may, they are pretty different whether you listen to them or just sing them. --

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hail, the gang's all here". But when I read (I forget where) a comment some years ago that compared the two, it became apparent that there was some connection. Maybe there could be something on the

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Hi. I don't agree. The Major-General's song is normally encored, not the Sergeant of Police's number, although I have known it done. There's no point in arguing about it, though. Let's see

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is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Knowledge policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

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The article's account of the first performance, to secure British Copyright, with the cast reading their lines from scripts and without proper costumes, sounds a suitable candidate for

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Thanks - I changed the link as you suggest. The G&S Archive, unfortunately, renamed many of its links recently, and so they will need to be updated throughout Knowledge. Gah! --

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It's just arithmetic. That's not OR. If the action of the play is in 1877, as Gilbert probably assumed, then it is 63 years. Here's an article that specifically mentions 63 years:

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happens to have quite a bit of quoting and paying homage to other pieces of music. I think that if we mention one example in isolation, it takes on the feel of a "factoid." The work

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Or just a traditional cut-of-accompaniment. I mean, having the orchestra play under the chanting is a rather awkward idea if you can find some other way to keep the police in tune.

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accomplish. You deserve recognition, appreciation and applause. Thank you very much to all the contributing editors who made this listing possible.:The Very Best of Regards,

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Hi, Why does this article make absolutely no mention of the work "Queen Victoria March," also known as "To Queen Victoria's Name We Bow" being included in the original work?

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These pages are not platforms for political discussion. Issues relating to Cornish politics should be restricted to those pages that directly deal with these issues (such as

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You've got it right. Gilbert clearly assumed that 1900 would be a leap year. Isaac Asimov wrote a short story about that little mistake (sorry...don't have the reference).

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Compared to traditional productions of the opera, Papp's Pirates featured a more swashbuckling Pirate King and Frederic, and a broader, more musical comedy style of humor,

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And I put it back with a little explanation as to specifics. I don't recall now which author put me on to that fact, but it is true if you bother actually listening to it.

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that shows that this takes place during this episode? I see that the Knowledge article mentions it, but there is no cite, and startrek.com does not mention it. --

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If 1900 is not counted as a leap year then Frederick's 21st Birthday occurs after 20 four year periods and 1 eight year period when he is 88 (= 20 * 4 + 8) years old

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most respected modern compilation of the libretti. I think it's just clutter. If you think we need something, I'd go with Eugeniu's idea of a hidden comment. --

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Does the literature mention the 63 years per se? If not, maybe it would be best to remove the entire calculation as (admittedly very minor) original research. --

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then put it in! We value your contributions and don't be afraid if your spelling isn't great as there are plenty of spelling and grammar experts on clean-up duty!

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article already has such a section, although it is incomplete. I would suggest we revise it, rather than continuing to complicate the list of musical numbers.

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FYI, Gilbert and Sullivan themselves referred to their works as "comic operas" or "operas," never as "operettas." I have therefore restored that phrase.

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There is another one. During the "often/orphan" argument, the Pirate King says he "only repeated (the word 'often') once. Later, he states that he only

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I'd forgotten that, but it is rather a pity. And this snippet touches on the interests of this editor who is often puzzled by copyright law. Cheers,

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This seems to be a first night version. Most modern editions of libretto (e.g. Bradley's one) have it in a way presented in article, and so does

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gives our proposed structure for the opera articles. A discussion of the musical structure should reside in a section called "Musical elements."

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but it's not just a question of the pitch. The rhythmic structure is quite different. As far as I remember without benefit of sheet music it's

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are missing the point because you are focused on math, rather than the humor of the opera. Please read Tim riley's first comment above. --

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explanation, in the form of a single sentence about an Isaac Asimov short story, buried in a section called "Other references". And although

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explaining that Ralph Rackstraw is clearly old enough to be Josephine's father; none of this would be adding value to the encyclopedia. --

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If 1900 is counted as a leap year then Frederick's 21st Birthday occurs after 21 four year periods, (when he is 84 (= 21 * 4) years old)

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I'm not completely sure whether it's useful or not, so I'll leave it up to you. Perhaps we may mention it in the "Versions" section.

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OK. It sounds like the "sergeant approach" info needs to go into some kind of "Analysis" section rather than a version section? --

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page about intentional or unintentional ripoffs of classics. One good example is the triad performed repetitively in the middle of

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OK, I've been reverted by two editors, so I'd better discuss this. But I really don't understand what's to discuss. The article

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I'm not sure what Marc means -- in the P/V score the E's are certainly played. But the note reads nicely now, so who cares. --

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That's a nice little interview with Sir Arthur that you just linked to, ssilvers. Good find, I enjoyed reading it. Thanks! --

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I can't argue with the statement about the exchange between Mabel and the police. But the police response is really a form of

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that strongly urges against the vague attribution in phrases like "some people speculate that...." Whose speculation was it?

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Editors have disputed whether the "Popeye" theme was inspired by "I am the pirate king." Everyone agrees that it is not the

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British composers and librettists, as well as the contemporary British press and literature, called works of the sort that

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If you listen to a recording, you'll find that the orchestra isn't playing. I suspect it's in the P/V as a rehearsal aid.

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A paradox, a paradox, A most ingenious paradox! We’ve quips and quibbles heard in flocks, But none to beat this paradox!

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What if we say something like, "some people speculate that...."? Personally, I think the connection is pretty obvious.

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begins "For I am a Pirate King (hoorah for the Pirate King)", which was adapted some decades later as the start of the "

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I agree. Although I still feel sorry for my buddy Noah- we didn't have enough girls, so he had to play Ruth.-Ardasquin

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For a change, that plot summary is original, though I had to look up the song names. :) Thus, no attribution appears.

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and all things Cornish. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the

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This is fun to know but problably not of encyclopedic interest if the 1985 manual is no longer widely available. See

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of Beethoven. Once you start using the List of Musical Numbers to footnote cultural references, where does it stop?

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The article now states: "American companies quickly mounted unauthorized "pirated" productions..." as if the word

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lead into "Poor wand'ring ones," although that's what Papp did. As G&S wrote it, this section ended the opera.

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I removed the following because I can't see a resemblance. Let's see a citation, please before putting it back.

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I would go even farther than that: most of the literature on Gilbert & Sullivan doesn't mention this problem

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school is co-ed so if they're still doing G&S I assume that they now have girls playing the female roles. --

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The introduction says, "Its successful 1981 Broadway revival by Joseph Papp refreshed its popularity."

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to arrive with the luncheon. However, their father, according to the stage directions, arrives alone.

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Have added a (currently hidden) footnote to that effect. Fix it up and make it visible if you like it.

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This is the original research by Kevin Wachs on the subject - it MUST be added to the article, I think

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It definitely doesn't go in "Versions," as it's not anything that changed from one version to another.

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abound in such references. I believe Mabel's cadenza on "Yes, 'tis Mabel" is a direct quote from the

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Thanks for this. My spouse insists it's an operetta, but this is a good reason to use "comic opera."

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is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under

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Sorry about any "-ize's": "-ise" is correct for British subject articles. :-) Best regards, --

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explaining that in fact there was no Chancellor of the Exchequer in 19th-century Japan; or one to

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home) was to call for an encore. Some argue that the many (too many) encores given by the

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Next thing you'll be telling me that "My Sweet Lord" is not at all like "He's So Fine".

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But D'oyly Carte was not the only one to encore the police scene. I never attended

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speculative, it's hard to justify its inclusion. Original research, anyone ? --

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when he would start playing the one and segue seamlessly into the other one.

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And that "Polovtsian Dances" is totally unrelated to "Kismet", <grin: -->

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Most of all have fun editing - that's the reason we all do this, right?!

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an academic journal, it is an encyclopedia for general reference. --

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today is pretty much where it always was in the G&S pecking order.

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