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A significant fraction of death dates are unknown (prior to 1838 in
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improvement and avoiding the Birth date template for Julian dates. I mixed the Birth date template and the Dts template in the birth date column to see if it would work. It would be on the person writing the table to insure that there weren't any out-of-order dates on account of a Julian date that
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I am using this template in a list, and would like it to sort in chronological order. A condensed sampling of the table is below. Clicking to sort the "Date and death of age" parameter orders them by the name of the month. Is there a way to make them order in actual chronological order? If not, is
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I do not think that the sorting 'problem' is an issue of this template; the template outputs what it is intended to output. The problem lies in the sorter which isn't smart enough to sort-by-date-and-ignore-extraneous-text (the parenthetical 'aged...' text that is part of the death date) so it
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uses a different approach which handles geological time (billions of years), where Module:Age only works from 9999Â BCE to 9999Â CE. The sort key produced by dts is not compatible with that from Module:Age. I think we are going to have to live with the limitations of these designs for some
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My request is that - instead of 'Died' it should be 'Disappeared' in the main page that appears in Google or inside the page in
Knowledge in side bar (as devotees never died they appear and disappear from this material world when their role reaches climax). Thank you !!
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Your account is provided with a sandbox, which you can use by clicking the word "Sandbox" near the top of the window. You can try it yourself. (I'm supposing that you are using a computer; if you're using a phone, I don't know if the sandbox is readily available.)
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As a separate issue, at least the table line for
Francis Hopkinson misuses the Birth date template. It uses the date 21 September 1737, which according to the article about him, is a Julian calendar date. But the Birth date template emits date metadata in the
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looks later than a
Gregorian date but is actually earlier. It shouldn't be a problem so long as the dates are separated by 14 days or so. It appears to fail when only a birth year; there may be other problems I haven't spotted.
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Right now, it gives an error if the birth date comes before the death date. I would recommend to change this so that in this instance, we just resolve it, and take whichever date comes later as the death year.
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anything based on that. As you say, one cannot know the relationship between when someone dies and when someone is buried, so saying "Born X, Buried Y (age Z)" is inappropriate.
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