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The usual choice would be a map, but in my opinion if you use anything less than about 60 pixels wide a map of Japan looks more like some ink dribbles. Mt. Fuji is the most identifiable geographic feature in Japan, so it might be a good choice. I've tried shrinking down a number of photos, butnone of
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In your first reply, you said that you removed the flag because it was political, and you said we should "stay away from political matters in wikipedia"; I'm still not clear on your original statement. It should be noted that
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No, I am not saying all flags have too (perhaps negative) political connotations. And I am sure most of people have very indifferent feelings about the flag of Japan. It is however true that few feel uneasy seeing the flag. It is true as I said above that the use of the flag often leads to a dispute.
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A photo of cherry blossoms has two problems. First is that when it is shrunken to a size appropriate for the japan-stub message, it becomes basically unrecognisable. The second problem is that even if you could find a good image or drawing of a cherry blossom, most people outside of Japan probably
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What is needed is a nice simple graphic where the association with Japan can be commonly inferred. The symbol for the Yen (¥) is unimaginative, but it fits that description. Some kanji might work well. For example: 島国 (island country = Japan ?). ] 19:28, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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