User talk:Andrew Lancaster/Archive 3

1594:"In the sixth millenium, the Neolithic diaspora continued in Iberia. Joao Zilhao has recently created a new form of the Jump Dispersial model-"enclave colonization"- to explain this movement, attributting it to the arrival of small groups of seaborne settlers from the east, who settled in the enclaves that were not previously occupied by Epipaleolithic people.....Iberia remained relatively isolated from the maritime interaction network that encompassed Italy, Sardinia, Sicily and the smaller islands. The reasons for this are probably to be found in the constraints imposed upon seafaring in Mediterranean by distance, currents, and weather patterns. Seafaring in Mediterranean was safest when land was kept in sight, until the first millenium where knowledge of astronomy allowed navigation...Boats leaving Iberia and heading directly to Sardinia, the apparent direct route, would have faced this problem, losing sight of land, once passing Balearic Islands. The solution was to follow the coast, but this involved substantial risks too: the Mistral blow from Northwest or North Europe through the valley of the Rhone river, to Mediterranean throughout the year, but most often in winter and spring often bringing violent winds and blowing ships far off course, driving them into coastal rocks, or sinking them. It is not suprising, therefore, that there is no evidence for significant Iberian participation in the metals tradewith the wider Mediterraneana until the thirteenth and twelth centuries BC" 1871:"pots = people" and "pots not people" based on migrations or the acculturation process. We have archaeological data who show the spread of Cardium pottery from East to West Mediterranean. Migration? Acculturation? Now from genetics data we have from the study of skeletons it appears that those Neolithic people actually arrived there from East Mediterranean and in the same time from archaeology we see Cardium pottery culture appear in Spain, than connecting data on both fields (archaeology and genetics) we can say that Cardium pottery culture expanded in West Mediterranean through the migration of small (or big if we find more data) groups of pioneers. That doesn't mean that migrationist theory is always right, but at least in this case it is proved by the data. This is the small step I am interested in, the next step (maybe involving an acculturation process) would clarify another issue and in the end we'll have a clear picture. What is great in this case is that we have genetic data from the people of 7kbp ago that actually were there and had that culture and not from todays populations, which involve many sweepings and replacements. They were the "people using their pots"(I couldn't bring up a better punch line:) 4712:

of content in the article tapers off at the bottom. Autosomal DNA section includes an abstract copied from a single study which itself uses a mix of mtDNA, Y-chromosome and Autosomal markers. I don't mind using Basu et al. (2003), but it would be much better if conclusions from this study were combined with other studies based on Autosomal DNA such as Viswanathan et al. (2004), Roychoudhury et al. (2001) and others. The last section of the article includes a long quote from introduction to Watkins et al. (2008). That is an improper use of a study. Studies cannot be used like books. The introduction serves the specific purpose of creating a context for the research. The results/conclusion section of Watkins et al. (2008) should be used instead. The last quote which was added by Āryāvastra is perfectly alright, it is taken from the conclusion of the article and it sums up the section well. So, it's a bit surprising that we are disagreeing at all. I might be wrong, so your independent assessment of the situation will be helpful. Regards.

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lineages lived, however, older lineages could have lived elsewhere, eg central Asia - and this diversity was reduced due to subsequent expansions of certain sub-lineages, erasing somewhat previous diversity. In contrast, India, due to its geographic and cultural factors might have facilitated greater barriers to gene flow, 'storing up' older lineages. Similar story with I2a2 and Bosnia (a hilly, remote region where until pre-modern times had a low population density and was the last to received cultural impulses from central Europe or the Aegean).

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very clear that the name is Germanic and that the similarity with the Irish Menapii is entirely coincidental. Men = mean = commune / apii = ab (A)a = 'close (to the) river'. Menapii = communes on water's edge. Can it be more simple? It also explains why Caesar put Menapii to the north of the Eburones. They lived in the Schelde-Rhine estuary as well as on the Rhine and Meuse shores up to the modern German border.

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east- west movement(see above) so it should have come from italy and those to italy from balkan .here is the point I am asking. Balkan is one possibility for EV13 origin and now we can be sure that EV13 was present there in late 6th millenium bc. Also E M78* is present in the Balkan. What are the chances EV 13 did originated in the Balkans?

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on the history of evolutionary thought. But I know that there are other books by academic historians on Darwin and Evolutionary Thought, and I wish that we were drawing on them for our account of the history. Well, be that as it may, you are addressing another problem and I want to add to others who have thanked you for doing a good job,

1649:. Whatever the case, Neolithic europe was still sparsely populated. It is only in the Eneolithic, as far as the Balkans goes, that settlement density grew. If we are to place the "expansion" of V-13, then that's the time (although this doesn;t not suggest from where V13 first arrived, or if it spread earlier to elseqwhere, eg Iberia) 1548:"The earliest Impressed Ware sites, dating to 6400-6200 BC, are in Epirus and Corfu. Settlements then appear in Albania and Dalmatia on the eastern Adriatic coast dating to between 6100 and 5900 BC. The earliest date in Italy comes from Coppa Nevigata on the Adriatic coast of southern Italy, perhaps as early as 6000 cal B.C" 1940:

extant populations. Ie significant Y HG 'turnover' is possible in the history of Europe. If we also consider the results from Roman colonization, the Migration period, etc; it does not fill one with much confidence that we can use modern samples as proxy markers for past populations movements, does it ?

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Hi Andrew, thanks for mediating in the discussion. I notice you've been mediated many of polarized discussions previously. I don't envy what you're doing. I'll be off wikipedia for a week or so. So, I will not be able to reply to any new messages at the talk page. From what I've observed, the quality

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Andrew... I am not sure entirely how to handle the issue with the R1b article having a permanent no-move restriction. My first move would be to take each section that has multiple sources such as R-V88 and move it to its own article with a {{more}} link. I would then summarize all but the R-M343* and

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Hello Andrew - sorry, but I removed your comment over at the mediation page. Not that it was a bad comment, by any means, but if you read the blurb I wrote for step two I did ask people to hold off on commenting on drafts until we have finished our analysis of the RfC in step three. If you would like

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If you consider lack of neutrality to be deletion of sourced statements, which is what these two have been doing all along, then you have a pretty warped view of neutrality. I consider these to be sockpuppets because of their blind support for one another and the fact that one appears to be doing the

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Now that I have read it fully, the results are interesting, casting doubt on, both, those who argue for Palaeolithic or Neolithic majority continuity, coz as far as western-central Europe goes, the (admittedly) few samples recovered suggest that Neolithic groups there possessed G2a which is absent in

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Although I tend to support Bellwood regarding demographic processes, I also think that "one-answer-fits-all" scenario is a bit difficult. However I think that we should proceed step by step according to the data we already have. To interpret archaeological data we have main theoretical frameworks of

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Well, this EV13 belongs to Neolithic period in West Mediterranean (Spain) and from an archaeological point of view, there are no significant population movements following the way West Mediterranean(Spain, Tunis)-Italy-Balkans while the contrary Balkans-Italy-West Mediterranean is usually claimed and

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I don't think it helps justify the Battaglia time estimation, but it also is not in line with ideas that E-V13 spread after the Bronze Age. A Cardium link is definitely going to be on everyone's mind "between the lines". (But it is not the only interpretation. Just for example maybe E-V13 came to the

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know you've been doing so quite regularly, and for some time now, and I'm grateful for your work there. I need to log off momentarily, btw, so if you need me to notice any reply here, feel free to drop a talkback on my own talk page, despite the notice I have in place saying not to. Best regards, –

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Hi Andrew, you had so kindly shown me how to sign my messages not too long ago. Now I think I might need some help with something. I started editing to add a single term to the wikipedia, but it seems to be getting out of hand. Terms often inter-relate and I decided to add or clear up some more. The

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I agree with the complexity, however I am pointing to the fact that EV13 was present in Spain in early first millenium bc in spain so a) EV13 is min 7kbp old b) since it is not originated in spain, it should have come there from somewhere else c)neolithic spain is linked with east mediterranean in a

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Your right and I am sorry for my not so kind behave but since I am here on Knowledge I have only experienced political nationalism on the Zazaki issue and it brought nothing to discuss about it.The Zazaki Group which was never known as something else than Kurdish has become a political game of some

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Either way, I also want to thank you for the good work you are doing. I know you have been focussing on style and well, we really neede dit and you are indeed doing a good job. My peoccupations are complying with NPOV and with NOR. Aside from Menand and a few scatered articles, I am not well-read

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Hey Andrew, thanks for your message. I'm not quite sure what to do about the topic, civilization is one of the topics that was central to anthropology in an early period and which then turned out not really to be an analytically viable concept so now its mostly conservative political scientists who

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to see the details of what you should include. The deadline for this step is 10.00 am on Friday 6th April (UTC), and unlike the other steps I am going to be strict about it. If you don't leave a statement by the deadline, then you won't be able to participate in steps six or seven. If you think you

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This map is specific to a certain J1 population and it is copyrighted with this at the bottom, "European Journal of Human GeneticsISSN: 1018-4813EISSN: 1476-5438© 2011 European Society of Human Genetics." It is NOT from a comic book. It is not released by the publisher. The one who claims it he has

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Although Caesar clearly wrote that they were of Germanic stock, you insist in portraying them as Celts. You behave there as if you were assisting Caesar at the time, correcting him in his "mistakes". Your given etymology is wholly preposterous: "towering mountain"? Ever went on location? No: it is

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Turned them into redirects. He clearly doesn't understand our policy on OR. He doesn't seem to understand genetics either. I've warned him on some copyvio. I think we need to post to his talk page more with warnings and advice, and if he ignores all those, then further action may be necessary (ask

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Hi, Andrew. I didn't feel any need to respond to your most recent post to the Drug Free Australia thread RSN, but I did want you to know that I'd read it, and that I appreciated your remarks. More generally, I appreciate your generosity in participating there, and the quality of your commentary. I

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I have added the ref, but like with many of the articles being mentioned, it is not really specifically about R1a. It's comments on R1a on not necessarily meant to be arguing much except perhaps "The network analysis of R1a with other Indian populations failed to provide any regional or linguistic

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as you can see it again concludes R1a to be pre-neolithic in india while J2 to be a (only) neolithic intrusion, so you can use the sentence" a recent paper by thangaraj et al. Also suggested pre-neolithic presence of this haplogroup in india" I think the paper have a gravity to have a place in R1a

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because the area is officially German-speaking, but with language facilities for French-speakers. (This is in Belgium a *very* sensitive difference, however not so much for that area.) In fact the map is wrong because the German-speaking area should be fully purple because the rest of the map does

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Near Eastern Neolithic genetic input in a small oasis of the Egyptian Western Desert Martina Kujanová1,2, Luísa Pereira3,4,*, Verónica Fernandes3, Joana B. Pereira3, Viktor Černý1,2 Article first published online: 7 MAY 2009 DOI: 10.1002/ajpa.21078 I need a statement from this reference indicating

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article. Unfortunately, I'm not so good with the references, and I would ideally like to set up the web references I've used so that they do not just disappear when the link rots. However, I'm not sure how to do this - I don't suppose you could work through the ones that are already there? If you

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Hello again - just to let you know that the deadline has passed for submitting drafts. It was was 10:00 am (UTC) on Sunday, March 11, but as there are still eight drafts left to come in I am extending this by a day, to 10:00 am (UTC) on Monday, March 12. Could you let me know which of the options

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Andrew, I thank you for your measured and intelligent remarks from earlier, and I hope you continue to join discussion on Knowledge pages related to Misesian economics/scholars in the future. I think my remarks were not nearly as clear and concise as they should been. Let me try to state my case

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Hello, I responded to your concern about my additions to the Hobbes article on the talk page. I just want to say here that I agree wholeheartedly with your Knowledge philosophy on civility as stated on your user page, and that I look forward to discussing and resolving the Hobbes issue with you!

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Yes for sure I can see the obvious attraction of this idea, but just considering Y haplotypes, there must also be some way to explain all the other types of E-M35 which are found in Italy and Spain. In Spain, unlike the rest of Europe, there is probably about as much E-M78 which is not E-V13, as

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Obviously (I think) Danino's article isn't a reliable source for these articles in the way he's used it. My concern is that he is may be misinterpreting/misusing the Nature article - if you ever have time I'd appreciate your confirmation I reverted correctly and whether I should revert his other

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In any case, the Spanish Inquisition image that you noticed Kiefer had added, was an image that he also added alongside discussions of his concerns about his own impending RfC/U. So, in my personal view (I'm somewhat involved here), you may find it difficult to achieve a useful resolution to the

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OK, OK, OK... Dining on crow over here. Also, many thanks for the suggestion regarding drafts as it will allow me to use them as a laboratory of learning the Wiki coding and defend against vandals who love to reduce eight hours of work into garbage, like two or three of them (Qatar?) of them did

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asserts that "ideas that depart significantly from the prevailing or mainstream view in its particular field" are fringe. Thus, even if you think the evidence I've presented to this point (which I would agree requires more research) is insufficient, am I right to think that you would agree that

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Hi Andrew. Whilst recent studies demonstrate that the STR diversity of R1a1 is greater in India than eastern Europe or central Asia; this doesn't necessarily mean that it originated there, does it ? I know that generally scholars see the place where most diversity exists as the where the oldest

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Archaeogenetic study would be hard to carry out in Israel, due to well known objections of Ultra-Ortodox Jews. However there is a great place for this study, in Lachish, where a mass Judean grave was found as a result of 701 BCE Assyrian siege and conquest, and as it seems after trans-genome

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I do not see evidence that they are trolls or sock-puppets. If there is evidence then by all means report it. They seem to have a concern about lack of neutrality in some articles, and those articles do seem like ones which can be improved. If they address this concern in a way consistent with

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Andrew, it's clear these two (suspiciously new) individuals aren't interested in discussing anything in a calm and rational manner. They're only here to vandalize the articles in order to suit their personal opinions. Therefore, as a possible course of action, I think the edits should maybe be

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I do think you could be less repetitive and more constructive. Please note that a discussion has continued, which addresses you concerns. I am personally hopeful that you would be able to have much better discussions if you adapt your style of discourse. Can I suggest you take more time before

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Yes you're right, that's why I say we should move step by step. We can be also sure that EV13 is 7k old at least. Right now it seems that G2A and EV13 were present in Spain during Neolithic. Were they native there (Mesolithic?) or did they came from East Mediterranean? IMO, EV13 came from East

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of late? He/she has been policing the section on "ancient Judaism" to craft a very one-sided narrative despite conflicting verses in the Jewish Bible. This is in and of itself evidence of bias IMO (and his/her userpage indicates they are part of a Synagogue Project which, to my mind, further

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Surely it should be a big surprise for archaeologists if Spain samples have higher STR variation than in Balkan. Did they published any data on that? If STR is lower (as I suspect) that fits perfectly archaeology data in Cardium ware expansion from the Balkans to the rest of Europe. As for

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If you can fix this redirect to point to an existing Knowledge page, please do so and remove the speedy deletion tag. However, please do not remove the speedy deletion tag unless you also fix the redirect. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. -

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if you don't inform the other editor about what you've done and I'd appreciate if you did not do this again. My comment not only commented on your verbiage, it also expressed an opinion on the topic being discussed. Even if it didn't, you'd still have no right to move it around. I've

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That is a good starting point then. I can imagine there might be discussion possible about whether it is a jiurnal recognized forbthis type of subject. A good way to checknis ti seevif it ever gets cited in this subject area. But in any case it sounds like a sourse worth proposing at

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what is redirect has to do with copy violation (J1c3 DIRECTED TO j-P58 for example, WHO DID I COPY RIGHT HERE), and what other copy violations are in Ishmaelites?I am dumbfounded. i HOPE YOU ENLIGHTEN ME AND DONT KEEP THE ALLEGED COPY RIGHT VIOLATIONS SECRET TILL THE 4TH OF

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Which is what I did by posting to 2 link of those published research (which are also linked in the DNA Tribes documents). I would like to know his feedback. If Andrew Lancaster says we have to remove it, then I won't oppose." Could you possibly respond there? Thanks.

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Well, i think it's a bit difficult to trace pop movements if we don't know its origin, don't you think:) for eg Andrew left open the possibility of Western mediterranean origin for ev13 . Now that would be headaches for archaeologists and what we know of Neolithic in

1500:"According to 14C dating performed on bones and charcoals found in the cavity, this funeral cave was used during the first part of the fifth millennium B.C. (8), which corresponds to the end of the establishment of the Neolithic cultures in Spain (Epicardial Culture)." 139: 4598:

Please support keeping that metatheories of religion category. I am certainly open to alternative proposals, but I don't see how any could be more appropriate than calling these what they are: metatheories. Ultimately, every article should be in one of the four

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Just so you know, it is entirely your choice whether or not you participate. If you wish to do so, and we'll see what we can do about getting this sorted out. At MedCab we aim to help all involved parties reach a solution and hope you will join in this effort.

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very well supported with archaeological data. From the existing genetic data, even leaving aside founder effect and population sweeping factors, I think there is a clear and well accepted vector from Balkans to the rest of Europe regarding EV13. As is noted in

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Dear andrew, I know you are a busy man and adviced jointly working with bodhi and i tried gladly but... 1. He's attitude towards my proposals is becoming offensive and beyond logical limits. 2. I am just trying to put a simple fact from moorjani et al. that

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note saying "I think North8000's draft is the best version we have", or words to that effect; or you could simply copy the text and put it in your own section. Or if you'd rather skip this step, that's fine too - I'll make a note of your preference. Best —

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K.Thangaraj was a leading co-author of Reich et al. Study but his valuable comment but unfortunately is not shown On G.A.S.A s Reich study section, so i request the editors to add his quoted comments which was published in The Times of India article i have

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which is the correct link for "Genetic Evidence for the Expansion of Arabian Tribes into the Southern Levant and North Africa", but I'm guessing the editor will argue "Arabs are Ishmaelites so this is about Ishmaelites". I will probably take this to

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Unless I'm mistaken, the papers (see notes 14 onwards, several unsourced, apparently the text regarding this was copied and pasted from elsewhere) in dealing with Jewish genetics in the Levant section, appear to refer to modern genetic studies and

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I agree the early Neolithic will have been complex, this is only one sample, and also whatever happened in the first waves of the Neolithic is highly likely to have be "over written" many times. In summary, it is not easy to say anything simple or

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are going to be late turning in your statement, please let me know as soon as possible - I can't promise anything, but it will be much easier to work out alternative arrangements now than it would be after the deadline has passed. Best regards —

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Well, I changed them all to inline citations, which is neater IMO; although ill need to continually tinker and refine the citations over the coming days. And I did a massive re-do of the entire origins sections. Please parouse at your liberty

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Knowledge norms, then this should be seen as a good thing. You can not say that most of these articles are in a perfect state? On the other hand, if they are trolls then please do yourself a favour and make your own behavior more exemplary?--

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Mediterranean and G2A also. The fact that they are not so much present today is another fact, but so many places around Europe(Spain, France, Germany) with G2A are not a coincidence. Maybe they were the first wave, followed shortly by EV13.

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Andrew, I'm not sure what to do here. These two trolls are doing everything they possibly can to provoke me by ramming through unsolicited changes without using a talk page and trying to plot behind my back, as can be clearly seen from

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Yep, a lot of publications overlook that fact; and in the past, have been overly optimistic in concluding population histories from Y DNA. BTW; do you support the Zhivotosky ("effetive evolutionary") or "germline mutation" rates ?

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It appears that Bataglia et al 2008 was right in linking EV13 with Cardium Pottery (samples match exactly Cardium Pottery spread area). Another point I was curious about is the place of origin of EV13. According to Battaglia et al

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Dear Andrew, thanks very for bringing commentary chart table on y-dna of South asia by different researchers but you did not include the thangaraj et al. Paper, dont you think it should be added with the stepanov paper as well? Gd

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increases the chances of bias being on display, but apparently such observations are not welcome on Knowledge, which I could agree with if true). If you are uninterested, can you recommend another, unbiased mod/reviewer? Thanks. --

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What are you thoughts on this article? From the very little information/data we have concerning this particular theory I am inclined to say that it is a great possibility considering the proven common ancestry of R1a and R1b.

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Here is another Article were "Kurds" and Zazaki Speakers are listed separately as if they are two different ethnic Groups. I didnt wanted to change it again by myself without telling you. So I ask you can you change it.

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the 3500-1200 ybp mixture was not the first one as mentioned in the paper itself but a major one whichs time is similar of the aryan migration theory, I am not protesting any theory but trying to put the fact on the

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If I follow you, then the Celts lived up to the Rhine, possibly even beyond, which is exactly what state paid French historians told king Louis XIV while urging him to 'restore' this alleged old uniform Gaul again.

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On break but wanted to say that I think the 2 most important projects/subjects that deal with the issue of what constitutes a civilisation are archaeology and anthropology. Could you post to those projects please?

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Secondly, most papers date Y haplogroups based on STRs within them (whether the germaline mutation rate or the "effective" rate). Is there a way of dating y haplogroups purely on the basis of the SNPs themselves ?

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I found this interesting article on a blog that mainly deals with Polish DNA which suggest a common origin of both R1A and R1b in the Middle East (Levant or Mesopotamia) and not the South Asia road as some claim.

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Hi... you wrote on my page that you "answered" my query, but you still did not give a citation. In contrast, I did add in a citation for my claim, and included a quote from Hume... (on the article talk page)

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Yes, i appreciated your ending a paragraph with linneaus, for multiple reasons. But I am sincere that it woul be better for someone else to craft what i consider a necessary sentence. Have you perchance read

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I've filed a report on the ongoing edit war between these two editors - since you've been involved with the issue, I thought you might be interested (certainly your comments would be welcomed). The report is

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Anything's possible, but that's something you'd have to ask Cruciani (who suggests western Near East, doesn't he ?). I don;t think where it "originate" is the most important, but from where it spread and why

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Hi Guys, I think, archaeologist are understanding that Neolithicization was very complex, with both, 'immigrant' and 'Mesolithic adaptation' scenrios being simplistic. See these for achaeological arguments

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while I was replying to the talk page note you referred to. Reasonable as the justification may sound, the edit I "partly reverted" was even more inaccurate than the misconception it attempted to clear up.

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I am an young (20) student interested in genetics and in particular the spread of the haplogropus R1a and R1b, since my ancestry is mainly Spanish, Italian, French, German and Slavic (Polish and Russian).

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was probably Celtic. "A transition zone"? Yes, but it was found between the Somme and Seine. I am also sorry for the fact that you dropped further indications of their social organisation as mentioned by

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for this and listed you as a participant in these disputes. If you have some time, please stop over and explain what your proposed resolution is and why you believe this to be the case. Thank you! --

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and if EV13 arrived in Spain in the first part of 5th millenium BC, now we can suppose that according to these data EV-13 should have been present in the Balkans at least in the end of 6th millenium BC.

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Concerning this particular article my biggest feeling is that I am happy if you and Nirjhara, despite your differences on the details, can keep working together concerning what is needed for Knowledge.--

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Indeed, but i think scholars sometimes cause their own headache by trying to package language, genes and arcaheology together in a "one-answer-fits-all" scenario. For a critique of such approaches see

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reason I am knocking on your door is not so much that I need help with the additions, for they seem to be straightforward enough, but I have encountered the strance fact that there is no page for the

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other's dirty work. That smells like sockpuppetry to me. At any rate, they are the ones who started this whole brouhaha to begin with, which is something you seem to have conveniently forgotten. --

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Thanks Andrew. It's rather odd, a curious omission, in any case, given the extensive skeletal DNA testing done for any number of populations from neolithic Berber, European (the Tyrolean Iceman

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pages, people will have whatever opinion they want to have and the vandals are paying zero attention to them. I do it for organizational purposes, but if you want to change the fonts, feel free.

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So its clear a third party is badly required as a catalyst or clinically to support any 1 of the two to give a result!, your worthy consideration is avidly awaited and very sorry to disturb you.

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Do you have a citation to prove this claim? It seems somewhat unlikely, given Hume's rejection of inductive reasoning is in absolute opposition to Bacon's defense of inductive reasoning.

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In any case every claim on testing company websites is supposedly based on published research, and so it is normally not hard for any responsible editor to confirm if that really exists.

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posting your replies? Try to really see it through the other person's eyes in order to understand what you should say. Do not just keep posting the same rushed remarks in new sections?--

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archaeology data, once the people in Iberia arrived there by the sea from the east, they remained isolated in Iberia as was not easy to travel backwards from there in Neolithic times

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to offer your opinion on two points? The first point is that a user is saying that some of the material on that site is not from users, but paid employees. The second point concerns

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still going on about the "Atlantic modal haplotype" to proved the Palaeolithic expansion time of west European R1b when Myres & Cruciani have described new SNP sub-haplgroups ?

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that he would likely be blocked if he did not tone down his protests against its preparation.) This may have left Kiefer with some concerns about the RfC/U process in general.

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Could you please either prove your point or revert the editing you did? I really don't think the evidence supports the idea that Hume was a Baconian (quite the contrary!!).

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I would value your opinion on this matter if you can spare the time to consider the cited passages. My interest is both practical and philosophical. Regards from Brisbane,

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studies to be the last kind of genetic studies still not carried out, it certainly has to happen. I red somewhere that Behar planed such study, but I can not find it now.--

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from both YDNA and mtDNA for populations of the Ancient Near East (the modern Middle East, i.e. Egypt, Persia (Iran), Mesopotamia, Arabia, the Levant, Africa and Anatolia).

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Can you please make your suggestions on the relevant article talkpages? It is unclear what is being suggested, and furthermore you also need to explain to other editors.--

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But I had to comment about 3RR - easy to lose track of that! Hopefully he won't revert me as he'll get blocked if he does. That was easier to understand than I expected!

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to the DNA-analysis potential of the Tasmanian aboriginal skulls it preserves, which Tasmanian aboriginals wish to be repatriated without bore samples to be taken.

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Nope not really. I'm just a new user here who feels obligated to give back to Knowledge for all the great work rhat has been done to build a great encyclopedia :).

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I am using the same term of the study "Eastern Mediterranean" which includes (as labeled to the study) "Macedonians, Albanians, Greeks, Cypriots, Cretans"

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for instructions on how to do this without copying and pasting. If you are trying to move or copy content from one article to a different one, please see

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This looks as if you tried to copy one section but caught everything to the end of the page instead. I think I have fixed it, but it was a bit tricky.

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It is possible that the bot is confused and found similarity where none actually exists. If that is the case, you can remove the tag from the article.

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Hi Andrew, do you know of an easier way to let people know there is a message for them somewhere (which there is for you at my talk page by the way)?

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permission also claims to be a "prince." Even if he actually got permission, from Sergio Tofanelli et al, the copyright belongs to the publisher.

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I don't know if you can add to the discussion, but could you take a look at the discussion on my talk page about a reference being used? Thanks.

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I write this merely to make you aware of what it seems fair for you to know, and (possibly) avoid you wasting your time. Equally, it might

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Hi Andrew. I noticed your discussion on Kiefer's talkpage. Kiefer knows an RfC/U regarding his own conduct is currently being prepared (by

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Unfortunately there is no evidence that they have permission to host the articles they are hosting, and copyvio links are forbidden.

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if it can be demonstrated that it "depart significantly from the ... mainstream view" of what constitutes the science of economics?

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Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Knowledge appreciates your help. We noticed though that you've added some links pointing to

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peninsula could have been seen as part of the "island" rather than only the area between Brielle and Velsen. Interesting stuff!

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topic, asserting that David Hume agreed with Francis Bacon. Since that post, I've tried to find a citation on this, but cannot.

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HI Andrew; I noted the updates on G.H. British Isles. Looks good, i think youve set it up well and explanations are very sound

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Oh, that one. I believe it is on my watchlist, so I'll try to participate if I have time. By all means start the discussion.--

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Thanks and here's one back for the weekend. When this is over, some bigger ones will be due and I've already got yours named.

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I'm by no means familiar with these texts, nor with the history, but when I see "Flevo" it means to me the lake that's now

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The archaeogenetics of the Near East involves the study of aDNA or ancient DNA, identifying haplogroups and haplotypes of

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Please help me understand why you put a copyrighted map which is not relevant to Haplotype J1 in general back on the page.

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You definitely deserve one of these for your hard work in trying to resolve this dispute. Above and beyond the call...

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Dear Andrew Lancaster: Hello. This is just to let you know that you've been mentioned in the following request at the

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Reference Information needed on "Near Eastern Neolithic genetic input in a small oasis of the Egyptian Western Desert"

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http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-09-25/india/28107253_1_incidence-of-genetic-diseases-indians-tribes

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Dear andrew, thanks for your and truthful neutral approach, I would like you to use this recent paper in R1a wiki.

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and trying to put links to other related wikis with the theory myself! But in latest reply of the talk he has said

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I think we should work on this section next. I think certain sections of the article need to be heavily revised.

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Did you mean to write "they are saying R1a overall comes from India to the Steppes but is much older than R1a."?

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Hi. I was thinking about another haplogroups like I, G or N, but since you want one for J1, I´ll try to make it.--

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Hi again Andrew, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I have posted a reply to your post. Thanks again, --

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I took my time to go into this in detail. I posted why it should not be included on the page and in the Talk.

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Hi. Can I get your opinion on this talk page before I begin to institute some updates to R1a article ? Regards

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Hi Andrew - this site is rife with copyvio and has been blacklisted. I'm in the process of removing links, see

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Can you amend the quotation you added to the Belgae page slightly - there seems to be a mistake as the phrase

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Trombetta, Beniamino; Cruciani, Fulvio; Sellitto, Daniele; Scozzari, Rosaria (2011), MacAulay, Vincent (ed.),

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If you ask what I mean with "political and nationalistic motivated classification", you might read this here.

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could, I'd be really grateful!!! I'm afraid fixing this page has become something of a personal obsession. --

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Dear andrew, Give the decisive opinion on the papers use, you only gave your thoughts on my style of saying.

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again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on

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again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on

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again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on

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again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on

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biased by celticism. The reality is that there is no indication at all that the local language was Celtic.

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Hi. Could not see quickly whether they actually have editorial oversight or just anyone can post things?--

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articles is crap. It is very clear to me that you are a biased celticist. Everything is Celtic for you.

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I replied on my talk page, but just to say thanks and that I'm not sure the editor has learned yet, see

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Hello, Andrew Lancaster. This message is being sent to inform you that a discussion is taking place at

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Also, these two are using sock accounts to carry out another edit war with me. I can't believe this. --

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WP:RSN#Can these sources be used to genetically trace Arabs (or rather 'Ishmaelite Arabs') to Abraham?

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My reply was not answered on the talk page of evolution and I was hoping you would. Do you care to? --

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Could you look at the material being added by an IP? Forum and a private DNA testing company. Thanks.

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Hello Andrew Lancaster. Do you remember me. We had a small conversation about Zazaki Speaking Kurds.

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et seq had I looked you up earlier, and would certainly welcome your feedback on my observations at

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word for wetland AND a PIE word, indeed related to *mor= sea? Gysseling is old science and he was

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of the term "common sense" and is the Latin translation of Aristotle's {{lang|gr|κοινὴ αἲσθησις}}

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Hi Andrew, I tried to remove the repetitive clutter. Add whatever you think is helpful, Thanks.

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Possibly related to this same tribe, he also mentions "Oromarsaci" or an "ora" (boundary) of the

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E-V13. So with this new piece of evidence, I think we have to be open to fresh explanations.--

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Sorry to trouble you again, but is "population variance' the same thing as "STR diversity" ?

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From memory the change you made before was quite reasonable an unlikely to need "support"?--

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2012, DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0034288 which I've mentioned at her talk page and added to

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Balkans via a Tunisia-Italy route, given how much time it now has in which to get there.)--

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Lancaster do you know who is user:138.88.63.185 and/or user:138.88.60.165? I got to ask. -

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on the mediation page, but if anything is still unclear, just let me know. Best regards —

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http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia#Please_Correct_it

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A cup for clarity! You would perhaps like this a little more if you are a tea to-taller.

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I think my suggestion is quite fit and obvious, please give your thoughts there. Gd tms.

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a primary source or a third-party source independent of the subject? Thanks in advance,

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Please help me understand why you reverted my editing with absolutely no consultation.

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Hello Andrew, this is just to let you know that to help find compromise drafts at the

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