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civil war and other history bits) so I am not a user that just trolls about looking for problems. These are my real life friends and they asked me to put in my two cents, so I did. Now to answer your question as to why they are doing this A) to fight deletionism and B) becuase of gotem(speech). (Sit down and take some notes its time for a history lesson) Now about a year or so ago we made a gotem entry that was about the word gotem. It was put up for speedy delete but we got it to a VFD then for awhile we were winning the VfD (got half of are grade to come in and chime in) but then boat loads of people from Wiki chimmed in and we lost in a hard fought battle (hence the first battle of gotem) now GOtem is a city, township, hamlet whatever but its perfectly noteworthy. If you have an article on
Eastside high school and one on gainesville, Florida whos only claim to fame is that UF is located in it. Why not just put that in the UF artilce no need for Gainesville Ariticle. We are just trying to have some fun and show how silly the whole wikipeida system is. By trying to keep this "oh no one is higher then anyone" nonsense all you are doing is making the project a lot harder then it needs to be. But hey its your ship, if you want to sink it be my guest.
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Seminary where so many lived during their education to priesthood. If you really want to do this, I wish you good luck and a lot of patience; start by setting precise delimiters (for instance: reasonably well known at least in the whole Region of Flanders and/or a standard of importance for the more specific branches, mentioning exclusion of seminarists and the military in one of the three former caserns - especially since all Belgian military administrative personnel trainees stayed in one - who may have had an official address elsewhere) - the result would certainly interest me. In case you might find the job a bit bigger than expected, I would suggest completely removing the section so as not to hurt people's feelings for being left out, and to avoid disputes with their fans. You made a good start: I was rather surprised about a few names; please, prove that
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Borgloon article. Polfbroekstraat, Eiland, and Oordegemsestraat, and the Project, are still complete nonsense, and the first three have no chance of becoming anything else. As for the population numbers and the website: as you have seen on the Gotem discussion, but still seem to ignore: this is pure rubbish. When you have a small village near a larger city, you don't include the population numbers of that city into the population of your village, and you don't claim that some hamlet like Eiland is in fact one of the largest cities of East Flanders. This is plain and simple bullshit.
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I checked the page history and seen that it came from you. If you don't mind me asking, first off, what is your definition of advertising? GamerAndy.com may have the .com address but it is not a commercial website. Adam "Andy" Levine, who runs the site, is willing to accept donations to keep the site up but they are not commercial they don't sell anything. So for the advertising thing, I don't know. But as for a non-notable website, that's up for debate I guess. I know about this site and the people there, because I'm a GamerAndy.com visiter and poster under the username of
OldschoolVgamer. They all know me. If you or anyone else that had viewed this article in question would like to talk to me about this, leave some notes on my talk page.
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were adding and editing articles in bad faith, then this seems to be less of a dispute than it is an out and out policy violation. Further, it seems to me that mediation requires that all parties act in good faith throughout the process and thereafter. If the basis of the complaint is that one or more parties are not acting in good faith as editors, then will it be productive to go through the whole process? I'm not so sure. In any case, I'll be glad to contribute however I can. It might be worth looking into a solution that will be a better fit for the problem though.
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872:: We have long passed the first step (talking), but I can't go to arbitration before at least trying one of the second level steps (of which mediation is one). It is hard to get them blocked for vandalism, as their behaviour is more complex and devious (see e.g. the entry on this talk page below this one). I guess some of them will be blocked in the end, but it may be a while. Still, it's worth a shot.
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It appears some sort of a mediation request has been filed that involves you and I. As far as I know, I have no disagreement with you and this process is nothing but a waste of time. Therefore, I will tentatively disagree with this request; if you think I ought to do otherwise let me know and if it
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though: he preferred to stay closer to the royal family and thus split the title of Mechelen to Mechelen-Brussels; still only Mechelen can have had his official address). The list of historical figures will get longer too, and it includes a few famous catholic missionaries, in fact many because the
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Thanks! I have started with those people that have a Knowledge article (on the English language Knowledge, that is) where it is mentioned that they lived (were born, died, ...) in Mechelen. I did indeed leave out those people that studied in Mechelen, and I left out a few that I thought weren't
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your opinion) inaccurate. Then you proceed to speedy-delete the page and later AfD instead of just correcting the information. Why do such a thing? Just edit the damn page so its correct and be done with it.--
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