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2246:. I was surprised to discover that one of the contributors to the debate seems somewhat similar to another, the creator of the article under discussion, both in shared interests and in verbal style. I have tried to draw people's attention to this without actually accusing the editors in question of both being the same person, but have nevertheless had to express my discomfort with this. Unfortunately, the only place I could think of to do this was in the deletion debate itself. I'm not a huge expert in Knowledge - I've been an editor for a while, but usually I just do easy jobs like correcting spelling and grammar - but I'm pretty sure that somehow having two editors actually being the same person is unhelpful. I'm pretty sure the nasty word for this is "sockpuppet", but I feel bad saying it out loud (so to speak). However, I don't really like the possibility that the result of this debate may be unfairly affected. 2832:, Thank You for your insight. I've made some mistakes and apologize for that, but let me tell you that the mistakes are unknowingly and purely unintentional. Sometimes there's some conflicts with my internet connection and that gives this type of error. I don't run any bot, but try to welcome new users to Knowledge. I believe that there should be no discrimination for welcoming new people on Knowledge. I feel happy if a new user asks for help. It may not be convincing for you but it makes more valuable for me to help the new comers. I can't go and write on new users page that "Hey I want to help you". So I leave this welcome message and yes, I agree that there are some editing conflicts and I hope you understand them as frequent editing gives some results like that . Again thanks you for the information.I'm learning from my mistakes :) -- 3491:

these mistakes after they have been pointed out. Old Time Music Fan though, has done everything but: he denied the problem, recreated the incorrect article, tried to avoid scrutiny by suddenly getting autopatrolled, blamed the one that found the error, quit, quit, quit again, created more articles in the same vein, complained when these were deleted (by others), created yet more articles in the same vein... The only reason he isn't blocked is because he seems to mean well underneath all these problems, but that excuse won't protect him or her indefinitely. If people are not willing or able to improve enough to meet our minimal standards of what can be expected (like correctly matching a source and a fact, or the most basic fact checking of an edit you make), then they have no place here.

2512:, Article categories should only contain pages in the mainspace, nothing else. The amount of problems (spam, copyvio, ...) in the AfC and Draft namespace is much higher than in the main namespace (it's too prevalent there as well), and allowing Drafts to appear in mainspace (article) categories would only increase the chance of people using it to spam their companies and the like. Never mind things like BLP categories which can be quite sensitive. I have no idea of the policies and rules at mediawiki, and don't care about them either, mediawiki luckily doesn't decide enwiki policies, guidelines, or habits. 256:, if you like. "I don't think anyone else is doing this, perhaps because they still believe that the WMF handles this, or (more probably) because they can't be bothered with VE anymore at all. Congratulations!" Fram @ 14:32, 6 Dec. Well... cannot be bothered is one way to put it. Believe that the project cannot solve the issues that enWiki needed it for, because it is architected incorrectly? Cf Eric Corbett. Believe that the free-as-in-beer testing will only help polish the rough edges, but cannot magically turn a square app into something that will fit the circular enWiki hole? Cf myself. 3095:, with an opportunity for myself or others to develop the article further, and had already written a summary background para that wasn't straight from the Hilda Rix Nicholas article. The Rix nicholas article didn't contain the info about the gallery purchase. I'm not really getting the point of the exercise as an improvement of the encyclopedia. I have reinstated the article (and added one little bit for now), but there's nothing I can do about the hook being pulled. Also, is there any particular reason for not raising it at a talk page first? 1381: 189: 31: 590: 2671: 3011: 644:, which is running at present and Mitchazenia and I are marking entries as we go. The main aim was expanding stubs but I also added regrading stubs that have been expanded to the scoring as well...this has backfired somewhat in that folks are reclassifying thousands of articles that had been marked as stubs but have been since buffed (the idea is that this is a good way to clarify how many stubs there are). 3551: 1949: 865: 2727:

Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License and the GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts)." (see the page I linked to at the top of my talk page for the exact text and circumstances). As it stands, we have the word of an anonymous user that they have the right to copy the text, but no evidence for this at all.

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keeping it small, IE, it is going to be the same group of people meeting each week to edit... What namespace would you suggest if not a WikiProject? Perhaps I will make it a GLAM page since the G is for 'Gallery.' I accidentally made the Knowledge:Sundays at Parmer/Tab header because I am fairly new to making Tab headers and originally mis-named it. Please reconsider un-deleting.

3298:"Disable mainspace cats in userspace and drafts" was the edit summary, so I don't see why this isn't clear. Once a draft is approved and moved to the mainspace, the cats can and should be activated again; but until then, the page does not belong in mainspace categories. The same happens to pages in the AfC (articles for creation) namespace as well. 4246:"We are a large and dynamic organisation", "beautiful campsites", ... isn't a way to provide neutral thrid party information, but is turning the page into the website of the organisation. We are not here to promote (or lambast) an organisation, but to give neutral information. 06:43, 24 April 2014 (UTC) 2563:

No, Mediawiki provides software only, they have no influence whatsoever on our policies wrt e.g. whether draft categories have a place in our mainspace categories or not. I'll try to find the policies that rule on this, but it seems only logical that pages which are not in the mainspace, are kept out

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Lugnuts is clearly trolling and trying to derail the Hale thread cf. his "Waa-waa-waaa" comment, after which he immediately complained of personal attacks when his behavior was questioned. Given that we can't ban uncivil trolls if they have good wikilawyering skills and sport some FAstars on their on

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Anyway, we need some help scoring, so if you had any spare time to do some wikignoming this would be great as I am busy with Xmas shopping and all sorts of crap IRL (also my house doesn't have aircon and it is stinking hot here right now....). E.g. Wizardman has re-rated over 1000 articles from stubs

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Current version seems to be OK. But no, I won't remove only the problematic parts, when I notice that some parts are copied, the whole page gets deleted, for a number of reasons (removing the copyright violation from the history of the page is one, the whole text becoming suspect is another; it's not

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Ah, you created the other as well? Then, while I still think pulling it from the main page was a good idea (otherwise you'ld get two credits and two main space spots for the same article twice, once as part of a whole, once separately), you are right that attribution is not necessary. It would still

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Hi Fram! I hope this message finds you doing well. It appears that this editor is now communicating with both of us. I have deleted this article again due to the incompatible licensing statement as indicated on the organization's website. In essence, permission has only been authorized in accordance

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Good points from both of you. MediaWiki does, however, provide our software. Foundation devs made the new Drafts namespace for us via the MediaWiki software community, so that is where the central discussion should be: in my personal opinion. Fram, please point us to the Drafts categories discussion

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Well, I can see how it would look like a waste of time to someone who doesn't enjoy doing it. :) I've been learning a lot both about the subject (as we improve related articles) and learning about the views of other Wikipedians. In no way would it be a "failure" for this to result in a consensus

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sometimes makes mistakes, and have suggested corrections. All this seems good to me, and I agree with you that we should always aim as high as possible. That said, it's worth remembering that (a) people do go back and improve the articles they've started, so we don't need perfection from the start;

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I created the tab header and all and was planning on letting the gallery owner fill in that page- that is why it was pretty empty yesterday after I first created it. It took a lot of work to make and I would really appreciate if you would un-delete or else help me ensure that it doesn't get deleted

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As the initiator of the debate, I'ld rather not get involved with any sockpuppet investigation around it, it easily comes across as "sour grapes", trying to win the debate by other means. You have raised your concerns at the debate, the closing admin will normally read and judge them, I'ld leave it

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If you see anyone doing this, please let me know so I can disabuse them of that misconception. This only happens after we've asked permission and consensus from EVERYBODY. Maybe it gets consensus, maybe it don't; But we're making a serious departure from status quo-- everyone deserves to be made

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Getting over the rhetorical questions, and to a real actual question: why *are* you helping them test, and filing bugs, and pointing out problems? There are alternatives to taking what they give us, I'd be happy to expound at length, if you are slaving away doing the QA because you think there is

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have a lot to give to Knowledge. You are different in terms of both wiki-experience, and (obviously) in temperament, but this is a good thing. We're all here because we want to make Knowledge better, and this is more likely to happen if we have the widest possible range of editors. You both belong

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That is a reasonable, though debatable, extension. There are benefits to categorising drafts in the new Drafts namespace, for example to attract collaborators, that don't apply to user subpages. If English Knowledge hasn't that discussion already, it should do (though I think it should discuss it

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No problem then :-) While I will be opposing any proposal to have a SAD (surveillance awareness day) main page, I have no problem with the work that has been done on any articles related to it. But it's only human that some people will feel that the amount of work they have done entitles them to a

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Thank you for your note. I am note the most knowledgeable editor wrt which license is exactly required, that's why I usually point editors to the official pages (see the top of my talk page). I assumed that the one they picked was a compatible one, but didn't really research it. Thanks for taking

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Hi Fram, how do I get back a page that you have deleted erroneously due to Unambiguous copyright infringement? I created this page because I am part of this organization and therefore we have the right to lift passages from an article we have published to put right into the Wikipage. I spent many

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back into article space."(emphasis mine) The policy is clear that draft pages don't belong in mainspace categories, so I see no reason to make an exception for pages in the Draft namespace (what would be the purpose of a separate namespace if you let the pages appear among the "accepted" articles

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versions of articles should be kept out of content categories, but are permitted in non-content or project categories, like Category:User essays. If you copy an article from mainspace to userspace and it already contains categories, remove them or comment them out. Restore the categories when you

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I checked the original articles (Soykan and Dulcic) - both actually state what length sex reversals happened in the area that they studied. There are two other studies on the talk page too. None can be generalised to cover the species as a whole. I have spent some time going through sources as a

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Errors can be corrected by others, if you start with some minimal standards. Blindly creating articles from lists, without checking whether the topic warrants an article or even exists, is way below these minimal standards. People make mistakes, that's not a problem, as long as they try to avoid

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I suspect that in many ways the best thing for both of you would be to simply decide not to communicate directly for a few months. There are plenty of other editors who will identify and improve the articles you are working on and the problems you are trying to resolve. I'm prepared to act as an

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I have two requests for help. First, please would you take a look at the deletion debate, and check my reasoning. If I've messed up, please correct me. I don't mind looking dumb in public if I've made a mistake, but I have done my best here. Second, do you happen to know what I should do if I am

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I'm rather concerned with the editing of this individual. View his edits in the past few days. He doesn't add any categories, location half the time, sources half the time or stubs tags ever, or doesn't format the sources properly most of time and they're typically tourist sites or blogs like in

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I transcluded the Wikiproject:Comics there to see what effect that that would have. One thing I didn't expect was that such a move would trigger echo notifications for all people on that page! I'll relate your experience at the Flow talk page. Sorry to have distrubed you, wasn't my intention ;-)

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The artist has been dead for so many years, the only information we are able to get is piece by piece on the internet. Sorry, I might have directly copied some information from other websites. Can you only removed the parts that you think have problem rather than deleting the whole page please?

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I'll leave it up to you to decide but I'm not sure your recent revert on Crusaders to a previous edit of mine was entirely appropriate. Most of the detail added was by way of updating the article to 2014. The numbers for their programs and additional details seemed fair. Perhaps you could just

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you made. Your edit summary mentioned user space, which it isn't exactly, is it? So, for a draft that is meant to be in article namespace after its approval, should the categories indeed be "removed" in that sense? I'll leave it as you changed it in the mean time, I was just curious. :) Thanks!

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Feel free to recreate the page, I have no objection against a page on the subject (haven't researched it, but usually if the band is notable, their albums are notable), but the page I deleted had no indication of what it was about (I thought it was a band, not a record even), had no sources and

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Gallery owners are part of GLAM and there is nothing in any guidelines on Knowledge that prevents people from making pages about their projects. Anyone is free to edit the content and articles they post as 'desired' on the WP page, but the gallery is in this woman's home and she has reasons for

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No worries, but to build up on that bug report, it is stuck on the red one, it's not reseting to zero; I click on it, get the error, red one remains. Also, please be so kind and echo me if you reply here, it's not like I'd monitor this page (just came buck to add a note about echo being stuck).

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continues to be difficult. This is to encourage you not to let this wind you up any further. I should start by saying that I'm making this comment because I have interacted with both of you positively in the past, and respect both of you for your various contributions to our great project. I'm

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In user space? No, as long as they are not overtly promotional. In Knowledge space? Projects need to have a wide enough focus. Why not simply make subpages of the ArtandFeminism project? Seems a lot more logical. Wikiproject is not a namespace though, Knowledge is (Knowledge:WikiProject XYZ).

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is full of the long-standing editor's experience and professionalism. It is natural for there to be occasional clashes between you - each approaches problems differently from the other. That said, I do feel that neither of you is behaving as well as you might at present. Please remember that

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Thanks. Yes you are right that it would be better to do that in the edit summary and now that i've seen that editing guideline, i will try and remember that in future. I take your other point. I'm currently working up an expanded and modified version at my sandbox, so it will be more fully

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If the same IP resumes the same or similar behaviour? Longer blocks, a month to start. A note on Crashsnakes talk page as well (if it isn't there yet), since it is the kind of thing that will (negatively) influence his chances of an unblock of course. Apart from that, not much we can do.

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It was not a mainspace page here soft-redirecting to a mainspace page on some other wikimedia project like simple or wiktionary, but to another namespace on another wikiproject (Simply). So yes, I think that does qualify as a "cross-namespace redirect". By the way, from near the top of

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with CC-BY-NC-SA, i.e., non-commerical use only. I will continue to work with this editor to ensure the release of the material under an allowable license, after which, I will restore the content. If you have any questions or qualms, please feel free to drop me a line. Best regards,

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We may not agree about every matter on Wiki, but trust me when I say that I very much respect your tenacity and willingness to call a spade a spade (or a sack of shit a sack of shit, as the case may be). Good luck in your further endeavors battling incompetent careerists and such...

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FWIW, I was pinged as well, because of you copying a discussion I was involved in at the Wikiproject:Comics talk page. And the same for me, my notifications cannot be reset, and when I click to view the 1 message, it gives me the same error: "Could not find the requested workflow".

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One possible method is that the website of the NY women's bar association puts the text you want to use on their website with an applicable icense added to it; something like "The text of this website is available for modification and reuse under the terms of the Creative Commons

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comments on your editing he has the best interests of the project at heart, and even if he phrases himself undiplomatically his motives are pure. This isn't personal for him, and it would be wise not to treat his comments as personally directed at you. Second, it is not

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I realize that it is difficult to fathom how tagging - which must be a very satisfying activity - could interferes with new content creation, but it does. So give us a day or so, and we'll meet all the regulations,allowing you can focus on other tasks. Thanks

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for status quo. I don't have a manifesto I'm pushing, I don't know what the right answers are-- that's why I want feedback from the community. If we have a discussion and we learn that the WP community prefers status quo-- that's a fact worth learning! --

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article that I have submitted for FA. You and Hiding are the only obvious choices to ask, as you once played a major hand in this and other Tintin articles. Thank-you for considering it; I would be most honoured if you could stop by. The review is here:

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Maybe you could remove the offending pov rather than a blanket revert. The updated facts and figures are useful. Don't throw out the baby Jesus with the bath water! In case you didn't notice that was a joke ... I'm not actually a Christian or a Crusader.

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Sorry to bother you with this, but I wasn't sure who else to ask, and when I saw on your user page that you're an Administrator I thought you'd be a good person to ask, especially since you initiated the deletion debate. Thanks in advance for your help.

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works on being a bit more tolerant when other people make mistakes, and phrases his requests for improvements more gently. It would also be nice if each of you could apologise for treading on the other's toes, but I'm not holding my breath on this one!

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Thanks for the reports. I have left an apology at the comics project talk page, and have asked for a shutdown of Flow, considering how easy it is to disrupt things with it (every vandal can do the same with very little effort if they want to).

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Sure, thanks for *posting* what you did. In fact, I'll be linking to it, as the best response to Hasteur's most recent accusations of how Kafziel-the-cowboy is the only one at fault. :-) Thanks for improving wikipedia, see you around.

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intermediary between you if you feel that would be useful. In any case, I hope you can both resolve matters between you as productively as possible. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to make things easier for either of you.

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reward, i.e. that the day shoud proceed because a lot has been done already, which would be the wrong reason. It's reassuring that you don't feel that way though, so I'll just let you continue and wait for the RfC (or similar discussion).

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Please don't delete the page I worked a long time to get the page up, I know I need to add more to like the album cover and review's. This was the bands first album and I am in the proses of putting together the whole catalog of albums.

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The better way to attract collaborators seems to me putting the talk page of the draft into the correct Wikiproject pages, which should (in the best case) attract knowledgeable, interested people to the subject. But adding pages to

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I posted on his page first, by wasn't sure he was online. The name "BryndisYngvadottir" was a variation on both Yngvadottir's username and a handful of socks created last night, so there was no doubt whatsoever about it being him.

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are missing a description and/or other details on their image description pages. If possible, please add this information. This will help other editors make better use of the images, and they will be more informative to readers.

3628:. I'm going to file some paperwork, just for the sake of redundancy, and block all those socks. It seems pretty useless considering how old it is, but I hate having loose threads in the beautiful fabric of our project. Thanks, 1181:

Thanks. People are discussing what to put on the page, voting on it, but this is putting the cart before the horse, and has a realistic chance of being a giant waste of time, if the consensus turns out to be "do nothing".

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Thanks! And likewise... I don't know how long the WMF will keep up the juggling of me, with Philippe beaudette thanking me here, and Erik Möller blocking me at MediaWiki at the same time, but it keeps life interesting.

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be better, in the future, if you indicated something like "text extracted from article X" in the edit summary, this would reduce the chance of people seeing copyright problems where non exist. I'll undo my redirect.

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No problem. I was looking to delete the article as well, but it turns out that he is quite a notable painter and seems to well deserve an article, despite the dubious username of the article creator.

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Can you notify Todd on his talk page? I have always considered that a needful step in a consensus-based unblock, letting the blocking admin know directly rather than via noticeboard etc. Thanks...

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No. Wrong namespace, wrong objective. I don't believe Knowledge is the right place to let gallery owners maintain their own pages for their "private attendance only" evenings. I note that I deleted

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unhappy about possible "sockpuppets"? I really don't want to upset people by saying nasty things to them, but equally I do want to help people play fair. What's the best way to handle this, please?

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Yeah, I ignored most of his comments, I hoped someone uninvolved (or someone disagreeing with me) would step in but that seems to much too ask nowadays. Thanks for the advice, worth every penny :-D

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Thanks for the prompt response and especially for notifying me. I agree it makes sense from your point of view, however it appears there is no consensus reached on this issue. Am I mistaken? X

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is shaping up to be quite a good page (though there's still lots to do), and that's your doing - but I can also see that sometimes you are a bit slapdash in the articles you create - starting

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Hi, thanks for responding on AN about this page. I explained there that it wasn't a cross-namespace redirect. Please undelete it so non-administrators can view its contents and history. —

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Sex reversal, as given in the studies, is the average, not a fixed range as indicated in the article. There are longer females and shorter males as well (as said in the given sources).

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Sorry to butt in, but I was intrigued by OTMF's comment. I have checked, and found no good evidence for the existence of Bobinarsha Orton City. Please see my note on the article's

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The arbitration clarification request, either involving you, or in which you participated (Rich Farmbrough) has resulted in a clarification motion by the Arbitration Committee

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Thanks for creating these articles, by the way, rmoving it from the main page doesn't mean that the effort is not wanted or appreciated (certainly know I now that it really is

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You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at

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here, and, even though I'm not expecting either of you to like the other, I do hope you will each respect what the other has to offer. As an observer, I can easily see that

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Thanks! I have restored the page. It can still be challenged if someone is unhappy about the licensing for some reason, but normally it shouldn't be speedy deleted anymore.

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How does my tagging interfere with this? It wasn't in the middle of any edits, you can continue editing (or restart editing) as much as you like, and you can remove the tag

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Hello Fram, I hesitated to directly correct this, since the presumed-typo is also a word. Can you clarify if you meant manner, or maybe, manned-the-battlements? :-)

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I noticed my wrong tags after re-reading! Please support me with links that might help me to contribe. I'm new on this field although i write alot. Thank you again !

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You have been selected to receive a merchandise giveaway. We last contacted you on April 3, 2014. Please send us a message if you would like to claim your shirt. --

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Yes, but perhaps he is just a fan of his work and decided to use his name as his/her username. I have messaged him/her to introduce some references in the article. --

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with other users of MediaWiki software, because if and when the software can separate the 2 namespaces from category listings, it could become quite powerful.) --

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I have asked him a few times to preferably categorize his articles, or else to at least tag them as uncategorized. He didn't respond at all, so I took it to

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Why help make those two peas-in-a-pod succeed? Better to leave them, will all bugs "closed" and the project "ready to go live" by spring, ignore that huge

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If the problems start again, the page will probably be semi-protected or fully protected again. For the moment, let's give the unprotection a chance first.

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For all his faults, I think Philippe means well and his thanks was appreciated. A "thanks" from Erik would be not good enough to be used as cat litter.

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because the copyvio isn't immediately spotted that the rest of the text is not a copyright violation from somewhere else). 08:19, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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no other option but to fix VizEd. Remember, how VizEd went from on-by-default to opt-out, because all the beta-testing by WSC and others was ignored.

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SPI). So would you please apply new semi-protection to my user talk page? The protection applied last night was only for 12 hours and has now expired.

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Once we have evidence that the text is no longer copyrighted, we can undelete the page you created, so that you don't have to type it all over again.

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Can you explain a little more at the talk page for this article your rationale for the redirect and pulling the DYK? I had begun by using text from

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You wrote: "Before this gets discussed here as if it is a thing that certainly will happen on Knowledge, this should get a community discussion."

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thundercloud-bank on the horizon, everything's fiiiinnneeee. Yes, the WMF will get a black eye, again, in June 2014. But what miracle could even

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of the mainspace categories (just like e.g. user pages are kept out of mainspace categories, and AfC pages are kept out of mainspace categories.

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I very much hope that both of you will be able to resolve your current personality clash: Knowledge needs both of you. What I hope is that (a)

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Just give us a day or so on this article. We are working on it and your tagging interferes with our efforts to add ----- content and links. --

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Additionally, I read through the Wiki you have provided but I do not understand how we can "allow" Knowledge to be able to use our copyright.

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anyway, so undeleting this would achieve absolutely nothing. I'm more tempted to delete the remainig pages than to restore the deleted ones.

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Thank you for encouraging new users like me to get more educated on editing. You deserve better! Andrew Eugene 11:14, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

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Should we remove draft categories from the category page listings, so that we can use article categories on drafts without them showing up?

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the way you did does seem rather careless. I believe that you'll improve in this area over time, and would be happy to help you with this.

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I've undone his change and left a comment on his talk page. A new, hard-working but overenthusiastic editor sill learning a lot of things.

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why was this page deleted? it was unsourced but there is a 7 day grace period and the page had only been online for just over 1 day? --

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doesn't help at all, that page doesn't provide any insight into the various movements and the ideology, and Zeon is exclusive to the

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BLPs get deleted on sight. The article accused a person of criminal activities without any source, so had to be deleted immediately.

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Anyway, I have restored it and tagged it for deletion, it's not worth the hassle I get over it (yes, if these thousands of hits were

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timeline not, it doesn't exist in the other timelines. So would it be ok to include a section on Zeon in that article and redirect

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Hi Fram, I've closed the Arbitration Enforcement request regarding Rich Farmbrough and referred it to the Arbitration Committee at

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removes the "Retired" line from his user page, and continues to work on being more careful in his article creation activities; (b)

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Which is an utter non-answer. Basically, you don't like your article being tagged. If you have a better reason, please provide it.

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that this article was an "unattributed copy-and-paste" from another article. Hence it was of paramount importance that it should

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in NY get set up to fill in this page with their project details. Please see this listing to verify that their project IS active.

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Hmm, you're right. Having inline sourcing would be better, but the article is not really unsourced as it is. Thanks for the note!

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barely any contents. A page which briefly explains what it is about, like you did here, would probably survive a bit longer ;-)

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tags are tagged to be paid attention! If you remove an inappropriate tag, please be kind enough to tag it with the proper one.

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again. I have a bunch of information on hand that I can use to populate the page in the meantime. Please let me know asap as

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Ah, sloppy work on my part, I missed the "comment" tags around the cats. Normally I skip those, been careless in this case.

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is coming next, live and on-by-default by summer 2014 so the theoretical Gantt chart claims... and it depends 100% on VizEd.

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effort, and not a rip-off from someone else). Not getting a DYK does not diminish the value of the article or the subject.

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will be hosting an event next weekend, and we want to be able to link to this page to give people more information.

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hours constructing and retyping passages in the Wikipage and it would be very annoying to have to create it again.

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I have no problem with this, but if you do this and get reverted by others, you'll need to discuss it with them.

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Knowledge talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )#Request for clarification (December 2013)

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Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich_Farmbrough#Clarification_request:_Rich_Farmbrough_.28April_2014.29

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regarding this character is quite disjointed and not as far superior to the dedicated article as you suggest.--

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Hi. I'm sorry to trouble you with this. I have recently contributed to a deletion debate that you initiated,

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Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Knowledge appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited

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I can't read your mind to know what the proper tag would be. Often, it seems like no tags are needed at all.

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again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on

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again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on

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for a week. If the IP resumes editing after a week, do you have a recommendation for a course of action?

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Ok well will the Page be restored without the arrest article until i recieve the documents from MR.Davis

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https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=File:Road_from_the_Elephant_Pass_book_over.jpg&oldid=591742173

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if it hasn't already been done, because it's the next Finnedi sock (with a very predictable name...).

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OK, how is it supposed to be attributed, and can someone point me to the relevant policy / guideline?

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However, you are making two mistakes that are not consistent with how Knowledge works. First, please

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Are the rules here different? I would appreciate a notification when you reply. Thanks in advance, X

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For the tireless way that you've been exposing technical problems and WMF developer incompetence at

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I didn't see your post over there. Let's keep the conversation there where everyone is watching.--

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Sorry, that was for another article I have monitored. However, this username is pretty strange. --

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Hey Fram, when you remove hooks from preps/queue, could you re-open the nomination and add it to

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indication of why this would be a notable subject, and the little that is here seems to be wrong

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No idea how I managed to miss the last part of the summary. Thanks for clearing it up. Cheers. ~

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with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going

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as far as I can tell, it is a Polish surname, not (originally) a German one, although there are

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mention of the draft namespace. However, our policies seem easily adaptable and relevant. From

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I understand this article was deleted from being unsourced however, redirecting it to the page

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for deletion, sorry about that. I made some minor modifications and tagging of the article. --

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Thanks Fram, appreciate that - I hadn't seen it before. Would this be relevant to this case:

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Thanks. My fourth barnstar in less than two months, I must be doing something wrong here ;-)

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Maybe Philippe should block you here, and Erik should thank you there? Just for variety. --

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Hi Fram, we have added the language onto the webpage that the information is taken from

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isn't a good start, and I have given Dr. Blofeld the same templates (and worse) often.

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Please add your evidence by December 29, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes.

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Taken care of by another editor since. Thanks for letting me know about the problem!

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It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these

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Where I feel you're making a mistake is in the way you have been communicating with

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Page you deleted wasn't made by me. But I would like to make it. It is new album by

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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prevent that from happening? Hope this helps; thanks for improving wikipedia.

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Knowledge:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich_Farmbrough#Clarifications_by_motion

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to sulk. Threatening to leave because someone says something you dislike is

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bluntly written text can seem more abrasive than the same words spoken aloud

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Knowledge talk:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure#Transclusion

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ok? However both studies give those numbers and statements as conclusions.

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is full of a new editor's enthusiasm, whilst I can just as easily see that

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Sorry, that was a typo (went too quickly)! Thanks for catching that, Fram.

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i.e. if you have any time to even do a few I'd be insanely grateful.....

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Now semi-protected for a week, let's hope things calm down after that!

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Hello Fram, I come to respectfully ask if you would please review the

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Knowledge talk:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 10#The Rfc section

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be highlighted on the main page and why it was pulled so quickly.

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Knowledge:Copying_within_Wikipedia#Where_attribution_is_not_needed

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Feel free to be a careless editor whenever you feel so inclined!

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Turns out it was a minor issue with the coding which I've fixed.

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Knowledge:Featured article candidates/Tintin (character)/archive1

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to start class or better. I've checked 225 of them so far - see

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No, not generally. On average, yes. 14:02, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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Just wondering why you are disabling categories in Drafts when

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Hi, I would like to request that you remove the deletion for

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect

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http://en.wikipedia.org/New_York_Women%27s_Bar_Association

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Thanks. Though "tireless" is rapidly becoming "tired" :-)

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Motion proposed in Clarification request: Rich Farmbrough

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Hi. Just to let you know that I have added categories to

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Ah, that should have been "manner", thanks for the note.

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Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kafziel/Evidence

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remove anything that you thought wasn't neutral. Thanks

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It is not a hoax. I have looked it up and found that it

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/List of Italian geniuses

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Blocked two minutes before your post here by Favonian.

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Knowledge:Sockpuppet investigations/Crashsnake/Archive

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You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage,

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by modifying 1 "()"s. If you have, don't worry: just

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Your request for clarification has been archived to

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Knowledge:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kafziel/Workshop

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Knowledge:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kafziel/Evidence

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Ditto for me; same issues as Fortdj33 describes. --

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I see that your relationship with 2642:Category:Companies established in 2012 2350:Knowledge:Sundays at Parmer/Tab header 1805:Could not find the requested workflow. 1139:If you have any questions, please see 914:No problem, I make them all the time. 827:Archiving of request for clarification 771:Category:130s establishments in Israel 765:Category:130s establishments in Israel 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 3558:. I have automatically detected that 3453:; threatening to leave several times 2591:: "Similarly, user subpages that are 1956:. I have automatically detected that 1853:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 1819:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 1238:Hi Fram. 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