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1675:? Logic fails. We do have independent evidence that GRT had reason to change, a reduction, in a major modification done in 1937, elimination of passenger space and going straight cargo. I'll have to review what is and is not included in GRT calculation but from memory I can see "spaces" once used for passenger services eliminated, actually torn off as excess superstructure rather than converted to cargo space. If I remember correctly that could reduce GRT. The one hint of how such space might be "restored" by WSA is the mention of the ship being used for troops, i.e., passengers. If some old passenger spaces had been sealed off (as in a ship I knew) would they have been eliminated in GRT but then opened and included? The definition, my emphasis, is "volume of space within the hull and enclosed space above the deck of a merchant ship 1144:. On the fundamental SS and MS/MV there was a truly interesting period after developments in Europe showed motor propulsion cheaper and more efficient. A particular reaction was a number of the WW I U.S. glut of hulls getting either conversions or, if early enough, switch to installed diesel vice steam. Apparently it became chic to emphasize the new power and it is my impression the MS/MV got a big print boost. I think those prefixes make an interesting archive of how industry tagged things and should be in a dictionary. Using them in writing about ships is another matter. Far better in my view to write more in line with contemporary professional journals with unambiguous descriptions. Here is one with a combo: 4190: 1463:

not what impulse to turn a foreign ship seized by the U.S. in wartime, registered in Panama, operated by civilian shipping agents then finally disposed of as a useful part of a very historic structure and event into a commissioned U.S. warship. It had no internal links. I do not think the chance someone, somewhere would duplicate the initial blunder and link from outside Knowledge is something we should concern ourselves with. Now, I see your point on the simply incorrect names where some U.S.N. yard craft has been honored with a title signifying commissioned status with all the associated "rights and responsibilities."

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designations. In effect the entire early array and shore facility was a sonar installation. The facilities were Navy installations. The first SOSUS station/arrays were installations. The system itself, first composed of individual stations and their arrays later consolidated into ocean processing facilities grew beyond the individual installations. I am willing to discuss whether the overall system as it ended, to become IUSS that included ships, should continue as an "installation" but for the early system "installation(s) fits.

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Around that time a new expressway was built through the city that made access between the waterfront and the rest of the city difficult, and contributed to the city's economic decline. The lightship proceeded to receive little maintenance and was never opened for visitors. In 2006 she sank at her moorings, and several attempts to sell her for scrap failed to attract buyers. An EBay listing yielded about $ 1,700, which was increased to $ 10,000 when the scrapper apparently took pity on the city.

1613:! I find it hard to believe the ship was somehow reconverted after seizure so that the volumetric GRT changed that much. There was sabotage on most of the Italian ships, including some pretty extensive fires, but this does not seem reasonable given the time involved and zero mention of anything but repairs. (Some really interesting pieces about welded patches made to steam cylinders with chunks knocked out!) The question becomes why would Lloyd's calculation revert from 5844: 3987: 1995: 21: 7212: 7095: 6978: 6869: 6760: 6643: 6526: 6417: 6308: 6191: 6074: 5941: 5736: 5619: 5510: 5266: 5157: 5048: 4939: 4830: 4721: 4612: 4458: 4341: 4084: 3885: 3740: 3459: 3350: 3241: 3032: 2766: 2602: 2493: 2384: 2267: 2158: 1885: 1727: 1237: 1014: 897: 725: 572: 463: 308: 172: 63: 1853:

better end in my view. As for lightships (and lights) I am glad to see preservation efforts. I usually had "cutting edge" navigation, unavailable to most, but on more than one occasion near land found the sight of a light reassuring. Good memories of the ships and towers all around the world. At the same time I always felt a bit sorry for those on those ships going nowhere and often just sitting there in rough weather.

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time in weeks!) and noticed an alert. That sort of research is outside my usual and "library" of references and knowing where to look but search engines used well can be revealing. I'd advise doing such using various keys. For some really obscure things — of more interest to me than Wiki stuff — I've had some success contacting local libraries and historical centers in locations where the subject was known to be.

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industry — even a single builder — to characterize some innovation. One interesting aspect is seen in professional journals where the articles rarely use prefixes yet the advertising is full of them. The articles depended upon descriptions, such as "building, a triple screwed steamship by XYZ for ABC" and then possibly an ad by ABC about the soon to be put into service "TrSS

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Just in case you are watching I did notice. As others had pointed out the references are not "reliable" sources. You also may not be noticing that you may be well on the way to banning. Reverts were explained, and no, your claimed personal expertise and contributions to publications and museums count

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was acquired in 1975 by the City of New Bedford, Mass. as a potential museum ship. In 1976 she was repainted as "New Bedford" (I don't know if this was a historical light station at all, and wasn't for this ship) for the Bicentennial celebrations. She was parked at a relatively high-visibility pier.

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Yes, please check if you can. I am tracking some other leads. I remember trying Lloyd's after the new site came on line and found it a true mess, a broken thing after the ease of the other site. I'll have to check back. (Though in my "dotage" I'm much less patient with "sow earing silk purses" so to

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I know. I have quite an "archive" of old engineering and other publications from the late 1800s through WWII in both bookmarks to on-line archives and in some cases hard copy on a shelf. The idea some have that there was anything "officially fixed" about prefixes is misguided. Some were cooked up by

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is a clear act of war with probably "explosive" result. Those are merely "incorrect" and mistakes the naive searcher might use with redirects useful. The name in question was on another scale. It had zero association with the Navy, it was never even of U.S. registry. it was an artifact of one knows

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Sorry, I only updated the Boston Port of Embarkation information on the page and know absolutely nothing about the person. I found your note only accidentally as I've been totally engaged in "real world" projects since before Christmas and only clicked a link to Knowledge for something else (first

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used to be down in Washington Channel and looking rather good. Then troubles and failed efforts and "found" in sad shape down on the Bay somewhere. Most of the ships I knew, homes and "companions" traveling, got ripped apart. I kept up with two in the process and did not enjoy it. One is a reef, a

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of 1936. Some spaces not purposed for DWT inclusion (I've forgotten the exclusions.) re-purposed as in the pre 1937 calculation without significant physical modification? This sort of thing shows the thin ice we are on when we state such characteristics as "solid fact" as all depend so much on who

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Thank you. Ah, those tonnages! I note that the MARAD status card has GRT as does Lloyd's after the 1937 conversion. Then here comes Lloyd's for the ship after MC/WSA turn it into a Panamanian ship and the tonnage pops back to about pre 1937 figures! The 1941-42 register actually strikes the post

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How did so many people with a goody-goody, pwimawy (ewementawy) school teacher's mentawity all wind up in the same place? You & RupertA and (who else was it?)... Elmer Fudd... all deserve each other. Have a proper look next time, before you so blindly join forces with a bunch of people so

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Not edit warring. Three revert rule applies. I've stated my reasons and the cites in the article on the Talk page. Take it there. The Navy classed the ships separately from the other light cruisers. Your other writers cannot trump how the Navy classed its ships. You are changing cited text.

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A longer discssion is definitely needed but I'm not particularly optimistic it will not become anything more than the circular, polling for opinion, sometimes uninformed and not based in fact, that goes nowhere. I understand your point. I also disagree it can be solved in isolation from the

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I've recently come into possession of an original print, now scanned, of the after-action report of the Tangier's actions on the morning of Dec 7, 1941. (My uncle was assigned to Tangier from '44 to '46.) It runs two-plus pages, is scanned in color, and fairly hi-res so a bit over 10 Mb.

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You are demonstrating your lack of understanding. Read the full SOSUS article and maybe some references. Each SOSUS installation in the initial phase had and array, cable and shore based receiver set designated AN/FQQ. The facility itself had shore processing equipment with corresponding

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I'm not advocating the use of any ship prefix here, but a while back (I think on WP:SHIPS) I had a WTF moment when TSS showed up. Googling located a fragmentary reference circa 1900 that had TSS as "Twin Screw Steamer" and TrSS as "Triple Screw Steamer". Just thought you'd like to know.

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I am not sure what I am doing on this platform. Hopefully contacting you as you had the last edit on his winkipedia page. I am his grandson and would like to know more history about him. I would like to get in contact if you have more information. Thank you Matthew O’Halloran

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ok, I'll raise it for discussion. I don't think you duly considered the case. Regardless of 13 years existence there was no such ship. It was a complete blunder by someone not doing any investigation. There are now no incoming links. At worst it will be a useless page.

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I don't think I'm qualified to edit the Wiki article, not sure if this would even be an appropriate contribution. I'd be happy to point you to my shared Dropbox folder if you're interested in seeing it, regardless of whether it gets folded into the Tangier article.

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for nothing. Neither does mine in such subjects. That is personal, personal research and does not fly on Knowledge — even if it sometimes suffers a bit of depth and accuracy as a result. Please don't clutter my page with any more such raving.

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deleted them under G6 instead, so I guess this is kind of moot now, but my concern was that there could be external sites that had links to them, which are now broken, and even though that name was indeed incorrect, the very existence of

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Nevermind, this has gone way deeper than I intended. I was just hoping to address the infrequent use of a single prefix, but perhaps a longer discussion regarding status, infobox updates, etc. is needed. Thanks again for feedback. -

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Thanks for your consideration -- and I hope this isn't an abuse of your talk page. I'm new to doing anything more than reading in Knowledge. I saw that there is an off-wiki email mechanism but that seemed even more obscure.

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You currently have a massive 300KB talk page, that would be slow to read and difficult to navigate for certain devices. Have you considered setting some archiving? See

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It can get confusing, can't it. I'd take the struck through figure to be "in error". One thing Lloyd's is good for though is engine details.

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is piracy. By a United States Ship it is a matter of state and so is the reverse. Attacking some ship is an "incident" — attacking U.S.S.

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SOSUS itself is a sonar system, not a facility. As you wrote in the Centreville Beach article, it literally has an AN series,

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I almost never look at the page. Yeah, it is old and long. Tried to do a manual archive to make it 2020 and later with

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Done, 1938 added too. Thanks for doing that. I never got around to it and would likely have not done the nice table.

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