845:"Camp" is repeated because it is basically necessary, since the alternatives are longer and/or more ambiguous (e.g. "facility", "building", "complex"). This is similar to how "war" is repeated in the SDs of many articles that already have that in the title. I have not removed "extermination" from the title, so trying to say that this change somehow helps Holocaust deniers is ridiculous. The article title very clearly describes Treblinka as an extermination camp, and if you feel that does not provide enough context for what Treblinka is, then you should propose a new article title.
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Comparing usage of a word in the short description to its use in the body of the article is a straw man argument. Of course in the article a shorthand will be used when it's clear, just like pronouns are used. Similarly, the article frequently uses "Treblinka" instead of "the
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What I'm saying is that the word "extermination" needs to be repeated for context, just like the word "camp" is repeated. Furthermore, leaving out the word "extermination" seems judgmental, suggesting that
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I could have used many other examples besides the sports teams. They are relevant because they show that redundant words are frequently left in, even ones much longer and less consequential and controversial than "extermination." Also, you took out "near
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Where did I claim any sort of ownership of the page? Where did I accuse you of not having studied the general topic? My point is that you did not edit this particular page before. I am simply asking that you give some deference to me as a prior editor of the page when I say that the word
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I wouldn't be too surprised if some earlier editor had spent time making all of the MLB short descriptions consistent. I think that the locations could all be removed, but I'd also leave it up to baseball editors to make the decision, and not make the change to just one or two teams.)
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