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BANREVERT, but if it weren't for that, I personally don't see any substantial contributions to the article. Again, not a critique of your decline, which I think was good, but more of musing outloud regarding the complexities of how to deal with G5s. (Also, from a technical copyright point, merge and delete is very much possible, it just requires a bit of additional work either through edit summary attribution or a talk subpage. Whether or not it is worth it largely depends on the type of content being merged and what the reasons are for deletion).
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discussion goes further than one browser height using a screen resolution of 1920x1080 it can be considered "particularly long", as apparently at least 89% of a sample of computer users used a resolution with a "height" (the second part of the resolution number) equal or lower to 1080. . Given that my computer doesn't have that resolution I will use the zoom feature on my browser to put the size to 67% to emulate a higher resolution, and place the breaks accordingly, using level 3 headings. I think that's a good compromise. What do you think?
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thread where they wanted to insert a comment. I got annoyed enough about that that I thought my edit would be useful for other editors as well. I put some of them in the middle of threaded discussion because if I waited for the next start of thread it would have been too much space again, and it would have defeated the purpose of inserting the breaks. Scrolling might take a couple of seconds but the problem is losing the place in the thread where someone wanted to place a comment when it was not at the end.
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only had one, and for some bizarre reason you inserted them in the middle of threaded discussions. Scrolling, on the page literally takes a couple of seconds. And by making one AFD page take up several slots in the daily log page's table of contents, it makes it harder to quickly see what AFDs are active on that day, and it adds. So whatever time saved for you on the AFD is dwarfed by the time lost by other editors navigating AFD that day. ----
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looking at links, I don't understand why you don't empathize with my feeling of annoyance of having to deal with getting lost in the thread and wanting to save some time to other editors at the same time. And as mentioned, I think the breaks would have saved editors more time than any time lost by a possible hypothetical situation of an extra link rendering in the table of contents.
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lines. It's not a hypothetical scenario, and you are wasting time for people who use the log page for AfD maintenance work. Also, if you do add section breaks, they should be lvl 3 breaks, so it would at least appear indented in the TOC, and avoids any hypothetical issues with AfD scripts that might use a lvl 2 header to recognize the end point of an AfD. ----
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short that you have to break up conversation threads with section breaks in order to roughly create equal partitions, that's a sign that the page is not long enough to require those breaks (or at least the number of breaks you're trying to add). If you add section breaks don't' decrease readability by breaking up conversations.
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care if the page was deleted or not, which is not the case here. As for merging, that would militate against deleting the article, since Knowledge has a legal obligation to publicly attribute all content to their contributors, which cannot be done if the article from which content is merged is deleted. ----
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It does take up slots in the daily log, because the TOC is just an ordinary TOC. While each AfD is transcluded individually, the TOC includes every subsection in all of the transcluded AfDs. So each of the four arbitrary section breaks you put in pushed every other entry on the TOC that day down four
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Firstly, it's simply not standard practice to have section breaks in AFD unless they are truly very long, which this page is not. Even if it should have section breaks, the length of the page does not demand five sections. Most of the breaks only had three or four !votes in between them, one of them
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Many doesn't equal one, which is all I found, and the fact that a book title exists with it capitalized doesn't really mean much since the majority of book titles are capitalized. The fact that it was created with that title is further irrelevant, so I still see no valid point as to why you declined
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long, which that AFD wasn't. And while breaking it up your laptop screen size works for you, it would still be arbitrary for anyone who uses a different setup. For example, on my monitor, my screen can easily fit between 1.5 and 2 of the sections that you broke the conversation into. If a page is so
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It was not some "bizarre" reason I inserted them in the middle of threaded discussions. I spaced the breaks according to my laptop screen's height (laptop has a standard 15" size), because, as I said before, the idea was so people didn't have to go all the way up to scroll -and lose the point in the
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Reading your AN link, that conversation just shows that two people thought the idea of whether minor cleanup edits were substantial was a borderline case that could go either way. The page in question there was deleted after the only other person to make an arguably substansial edit said he did not
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No thanks; I'm not going to continue beyond this post as it is evident that I am merely wasting my time (as administrators seemingly can only direct users to XfD/AN instead of apparently evaluating their decisions). The books you provide all have summaries where the phrase is lower case in its use.
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to vouch for the content subject to CSD should certainly be seen as substantial. Even if from a technical standpoint it's not substantial, the implication is something like "I have read the content, looked at the sources, and think that this is a valid article", which combined with other minor and
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Patar, thanks for your response. I believe Talent Recap does have similar coverage. If and when I can find them, I'll add them, and take you up on your offer to restore the page. I had hoped that breaking exclusive entertainment news, interviewing celebrities, and giving awards to celebrities (who
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article, it's immediately evident that it is notable, or at the very least, has a credible claim of significance. It's been covered in-depth, by among other outlets, Variety, ABC, The New York Times, and the Associated Press. If there is similar levels of coverage from equally reliable sources for
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If someone created an article at that title, then as long as it's a reasonable alternate capitalization, then it's not unreasonable that someone else might try and recreate an article at that title and thus create duplicate it in the future. If believe that the redirect is actively harmful, you're
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And I don't think including the breaks take up any slots in the daily logs' table of contents, which is probably rendered to include just the main heading of the article. Have you seen that happening at all? And if you are getting annoyed by a hypothetical situation of spending a couple of seconds
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FWIW, I think G5 is tricky enough that unless someone is explicitly taking ownership of the edits and not challenging it on a technical ground, any user is justified in restoring a G5 so that an admin can review it. In this case, it wouldn't apply as someone specifically took responsibility under
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Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean that they didn't evaluate their decision. All of the books use title case capitalization in their titles that is inline with the redirect's, and the Richard Thomson source (the second-last one), capitalizes "Illuminated" and "Manuscript" in its
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Additionally, by the logic in your last sentence, every article creation should be kept regardless of its capitalization scheme, which is clearly nonsense. Had the article been stable before this, I could possibly see keeping it in order to aid the use of incoming links, but that is not the case.
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I'll be waiting for those sources. There's plenty of niche sites which break entertainment news, interview prominent people in their field, and give awards to those people, including many that I personally follow (and would love to have Knowledge articles on them) which are obviously the premier
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for not making a credible claim of significance. Simply having a website, conducting interviews, and making videos on FB/YouTube on a niche topic is not a credible claim; thousands of those exist, the overwhelming majority of which are not notable. Since that was all the only credible claim of
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Thanks for the reply and the info. You brought an important point to the discussion, determining what constitutes "particularly long". As you said, for you it wasn't long. But for me it was. I think taking into account that, a good criteria to go by in determining "particularly long" is if the
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You could have left them in place out of courtesy even though you felt the talk page is not long. I put the breaks because it is annoying having to scroll all the way up to click edit and then scroll all the way back down to insert comment. Is the "crowding of the log" such a pressing issue?
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I'll just echo what Nixon Now has said. There's a clear, policy-based consensus to include the material in the RFC on the talk page. The original G&M article cleary is asserting that the claims are factual, and the subsequent reporting by multiple reliable sources, both in Canada and
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I don't understand this decision, especially since the page was only created a few hours ago, and more links and citations were coming from me -- and I assume others, since the site has almost 800,000 YouTube subscribers and counts many talent competition stars and judges among its fans.
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As I've said elsewhere, the Globe and Mail actually has gone on the record asserting that the allegations are factual, so you are mistaken. As for the consensus, last time I counted the RFC was running more than 2:1 in favour of inclusion, thus passing the consensus threshold.
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accept the awards and share the info on social media) would be enough for a "credible claim to significance," but I see Knowledge has raised the bar. I'll do what I can to bring the Talent Recap page within these new parameters. Again, thank you for your help.
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Would you mind taking the time to explain the decision to me? I've never had any of my pages deleted and it's really confusing me. If Show-Score has a page, why not Talent Recap? And if Talent Recap is "just a website," why isn't Show-Score removed as well?
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I want there to be a Talent Recap page so I can add yet another new page creation to my Knowledge resume. I'm willing to do whatever it takes to make the page happen. I look forward to working with you to achieve that goal.
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I did not go through your edits. That page was another open CSD candidate in the CSD queue, which is where I do a good deal of my admin work. I merely declined it for the same reasons I declined the other one. ----
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Thanks, I'll take a look on it. In the last go around, everyone was so caught up in the discussion on the actual merits of inclusion, that no one brought up that refs shouldn't be appearing in DAB pages anyway
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significance in the article at the time and reliable, independent, in-depth third party coverage of the website was not present in the article or through a quick Google search, I deleted it. Looking at the
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One browser height is certainly too short and if applied would result in a rapid overcrowding of TOCs across the site. For an example of the typical length given to section breaks, take a look at
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I see this has been done. Probably better, since I !voted in both discussions, and someone ardently opposed to it might have tried to start accusations of INVOLVED if I did. ----
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It was a good decline. G5 is the most controversial CSD criterion, and having a diversity of opinion in the admin corps on its usage is a good thing.
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