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Yeah, I've been wondering if that was an aspect of the
Harvard system. The problem in this article is that we have this HUGE compendium (Schaff), and even when you break it out by volume, we've got many different references into the volume. That's part of what I was going to look into. I don't have a
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The problem with the harvard reference system (which is necessary with an article this size or you end up with a
Bibliography that is longer than the article itself) is that you only get one link for the bibliographical entry. I tried to give as detailed a reference as was provided, and in some cases
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I'm not inclined to think so. It gets them to a volume, which contains many books in some important cases, and especially when referencing it online, finding the source within those books is not that apparent, because page numbering doesn't really work well. The CCEL has provided an excellent way to
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I truly think that your work on the citations themselves are a benefit to the article, but I disagree with your practice of sometimes editing out quotes that were embedded in the references. That material is basically article text, and should be identified as a different type of edit than "cleanup".
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It is relevant, and it is WP:RS (see article talk page). Since we seem to be in disagreement about that, we should probably take the discussion there. But in other regards, I grant some of the original flaws. I just wanted to be sure we tried to work together for the article's sake, and if possible
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because it involves the editor selecting a quote and assigning it to a statement he or she feels is supported by that quote. When we simply link to the text in question, it gives the reader the whole context rather than simply a given quote. If it is substantial enough to be "article text" then it
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I don't know if it's quite so clearly a matter of WP:OR or not, but your point is pretty well taken nonetheless. I haven't had time to investigate all the details. I've also noticed a places or two where the ref target does not really take one to the pages where the relevant material is, but that
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Hi. I restored the textual deletions you made to the
Attendees section, with explanation on the talk page. But I assume you had an idea of "cleanup" in mind, and wanted to find out what that was specifically. I don't think the material necessarily needs to stay in the form it is currently in, but
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It's not hiding a source away any more than a page number is. Providing them with a book and chapter number will get them directly to the section in question with 3 or 4 clicks. If you want to convert them back to individual citations, you can... but it's not going to benefit anyone that much.
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any "challenges" to make, so it helps to know your basis for doing those alterations. Thanks. Mostly, I think the references, especially where they're available online, should put the reader as close as possible to the material that supports specific article text, so that the underlying source
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get directly inside in a stable fashion. Especially online, the reader shouldn't be required to go hunting in a table of contents, and especially when the source section is not immediately apparent. To do that is like hiding the source away in a corner.
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suggestion about what to do yet, but I do get the feeling that something needs to get the reader closer to some of that material. What
Harvard gives us normally is apparently not good enough here. I'm hoping there's a reasonable and easy workaround.
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The quotations within various citations are unnecessary if you are linking directly to the citation. If you have a specific instance to discuss we can do so. However, in many cases, abstracting a quote out of a text represents a form of
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I even tracked down a more specific reference. Feel free to look through it and make changes if you want, if the formatting isn't right I'll come through and clean it up. It's pretty easy to maintain an article once it is formalized.
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Go ahead with the citation clean up at EOC... I would get to it eventaully, but I have a few other whoppers in front of it. As far as the relevance of the modern liturgical info, we can talk about it over at the other talk page.
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Thanks for taking on this systematization work, so likely to be underappreciated! Consistency of presentation definitely is helpful though, and it does become ragged over time.
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