2922:'Innocent' or not you can decide, but when I first joined Knowledge 2+ years back, my very first attempt at creating a draft was on a person named Jesse Bogner, for which I had accepted money and not declared COI owing to not knowing the rules. Then someone pulled me up, and then I declared that I had been paid. After that the draft got rejected owing to not meeting notability requirements, and I refunded the money saying that it was beyond my scope. At the time I was also with freelancer, which I soon quit owing to have been ripped. But that is the one and only experience I can recall here pertaining to being paid. Since then I have been mostly into editing, and made a few attempts at creating new pages as part of the challenge, which has been successful I think twice so far, and futile a number of times, wherein I have promptly deleted the draft. But these have been topics that I have come across during my research work and not because someone might have approached me. Since that first incident, I have steered clear of any financial dealings pertaining to Knowledge, owing to the COI system being too complicated for my comfort. So if the user in question has seen something regarding the first draft of mine, then he is justified. In my defense, I learned my lesson as a new user 2 years back, and after that have never ventured into the paid work arena on Knowledge. TaffyAU - I dont think he is random and nor are any of the others, but thats my opinion. Best regards,
2821:- and kindly explain how someone who claims to have 9+ years experience on various aspects of Knowledge has been getting away with it. Scroll down and check the projects and the amounts involved, and the first thing that jumps out that he/she is deeply embedded into the system. After that please tell me whether with someone as sure being around on the Internet, who in their right mind would even want to trust a novice like me to get anything done on Knowledge, leave alone make payment. And this person is not the only one, I can post at least a dozen such profiles here that make a living solely out of Knowledge. So I am not flinging vague accusations, it is something I have been encountering quite frequently in my field. And what do I disclose, when it is not a source of income for me? The fact that am on Knowledge over the last 2+ years is something I have not mentioned anywhere on my personal website or any of my professional profiles. Like I said, I don't stand to lose anything if my account remains blocked/closed down, so no regrets at all. Best regards,
1952:, which ones are from pr news?? What I observed in most while checking was that they were under PTI - Press Trust of India - which is responsible for most news published in the country. If you could kindly point out, it would help me to identify such sources for this and for future content. Business Standard and Economic Times are reputed Indian publications that publish news in the commercial arena, and my sources are not interviews, but in fact most have the judges in question conducting the proceedings rather than either side dominating the scenario. India Today is also a reputed publisher, and again the source here is a panel of lawyers, one of them being the subject. When it comes to Indian publications, these are the leading tabloids of the country on current affairs, like the NY Times or the Wall Street Journal in the US. If not these, then which Indian tabloids do you acknowledge as noteworthy? Thanks & regards,
1456:, sincere apologies for the late reply, got caught up with holiday preps. Okay - so I will follow the instructions on the page you have indicated and seek permission from them by sending them a mail. But tell me something - what if they dont reply? Is there a stipulation as to the number of days we should wait for the permission to arrive? Suppose they dont respond over a month or so, then what happens? Also since you are definitely a seasoned user, can I request you to help me search for an image that would be fit to go up on the page? There are hundreds of images of the subject on the Internet that come up by simply typing her name on Google, but to identify one that can be used, I could really do with some help and guidance. Thanks once again, regards & Merry Christmas,
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2848:". But as I point out above, people's real experience and the experience they claim in their job ads can be very different. And their genuine experience can be significantly longer than the age of their current account. Also, paid editors can have extensive web writing experience outside of Knowledge, and appear attractive to hire even without any stated length of actual Knowledge experience. So, for example, an editor with a Knowledge account like yours that's only a couple of years old might still be able to advertise, say, more than 10 years experience of web design, editing, writing, etc. I'm not saying any of this applies to you, I'm just pointing out that your "a novice like me" argument does not hold water.
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1407:, to be honest this is the first time that I have uploaded an image file on to Knowledge. I found it on Google with hundereds of other images under the name of the subject, checked the website it was from and having read their terms and conditions, felt that they would not mind if anyone used it despite it being on their page. So what do you suggest I should do next - write to them or tag it as non-free fair use? Your guidance on this issue would be truly appreciated since it would ensure that I would be better placed as a rookie to identify how and which images to upload here. Thanks & regards,
2186:, its not a question of helping my article to get approved - I am going to delete the draft today anyway. My intention was to seek guidance from a veteran who has gathered immense experience on this platform. Like you I am also a volunteer here, but unlike you am not as experienced, therefore these queries. With all due respect, I must admit that the rules here are emerging as being highly inconsistent, and acceptance/rejection seems to be more an outcome of whim/fancy of the reviewer in question than anything else. Thanks anyway for your responses, best regards -
2015:, I am sorry for having fallen off the radar - please accept my sincere apologies. Two families tested COVID positive in our neighborhood on Thursday evening, and we have all been subjected to rigorous sanitizing and testing since Friday afternoon. So far tests are negative for everyone else, and all of us are fervently hoping that it remains that way. There was also talk about declaring the residential complex a containment zone, so went on a shopping spree to stock up the essentials. Due to all these reasons, haven't logged in over the past 2-3 days.
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unreliable. So when I edit, will eliminate it altogether. To be honest, going by the Indian sources that are approved here, would it work if I shortened the drat to the 4-5 sources that are acknowledged and eliminate the rest? Then the draft would just have an intro and the 3-4 high-profile cases...?? Seeking guidance, thanks in advance, best regards,
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From what I gathered, am being accused of paid editing. So how else do I address the issue unless someone actually confronts me with the proof that they have? In my justification, I can only argue that I am too much of a novice to become a paid editor here, wherein am myself not aware of many norms.
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