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1119:- (I'm the creator of the template back in 2006) The nominator changed the title of the template as pointed out by Muffinator to an outright ridiculous title the same day of the nomination. Knowledge generally does not decide what is "mainstream", as that practically a POV in and of itself. There is a movement to cure Autism as there is a movement brushing against it (for varying reasons) - that's the context here. As for whether the template itself is still needed or should be merged/changed... I'll leave that up to others. However, since this template and 1179:, but I'm still concerned about it being misrepresented in terms of how much it is "promoted" in the cultural sense. From the limited research I did on Google Books, it seems to be more of a scientific topic, not an advocacy one. Autism awareness/research/treatment "movements" certainly exist, in the same way there is a "movement" to cure breast cancer, but I think that they use the medical model as a basis, rather than the two terms being synonymous. Perhaps some folks who do regular work on medical articles and are familiar with the 467:, of which I am a part of). My primary concern here is that we are directing potential editors to projects that have had no activity in literally years. If I were looking to join a collaboration, I would find nothing more discouraging than to discover that essentially all but a tiny percentage of the organized collaborations are inactive. 1136:
Even if it was reverted to what Muffinator last made it (which I changed because I believe it was too narrow to cover the topics listed), I still think it would be redundant. So, I've gone ahead and changed the title back to what it was to begin with so that it doesn't complicate the issue of this
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My proposal would be to delete this template, and encourage the usage of templates for specific collaborations. This would help manage the activity of collaborations (when their templates get out of date) and also bring further attention to projects that are active.
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That movement is certainly not a mainstream one. I wouldn't necessarily go so far as to call it "fringe," but it is at least "alternative," in that it contradicts the American Psychiatric Association, the World Health Organization, etc.
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assertion. Second, "cure and prevention" is much more specific than "autism topics" and that is why this template exists. The difference between the two is apparent by looking at
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link in the template, which is quite useful in that it links to many collaboration pages, many of which are marked historical.
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because, regardless of organization or information differences, the navigation is redundant, and this is a navbox.
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An article not existing on Knowledge is not an indication that it necessarily lacks notability, since Knowledge is
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page has a number of edits this year, inlcuding this month (keeping the GA/FA chart up to date). Together with
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First of all, where is your reliable source saying that these are the mainstream opinions and the ones at
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Of all the collaborations listed here, only two of them have had any activity in the last 6 months (
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below.
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1382: 988:"Autism cure and prevention topics" and "Mainstream autism topics" cover the same things. -- 962:
lumps everything together. The only reason the cure movement template appears redundant with
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only has one bluelink, and that is under discussion at AFD for the 2nd time. Not needed.
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and prune down to those that have had relatively recent activity. Also retain the
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serve similar purposes (side nav), they should probably be discussed together.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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can weigh in as well? I'll put a notice on the medical project page. --
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for the self-styled "Autism rights movement," which is based on the "
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Unused, appears to be some sort of test from April 2013. Either
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as test template that should not yet be in template space, or
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meets all the needs we have for a navigation aid, and
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See the long list of pages that use the template at:
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