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410:, an exiled Cuban author known for his criticism of Fidel Castro, asserts that Knowledge is "a field of ideological battle where there's no shortage of lies or a biased selection of information to distort the image of the adversary someone wants to destroy". Montaner cited the article about himself, which he says has been a victim of slanderous edits which inserted "delirious fantasies" about him. However, Montaner acknowledged that Knowledge also has "many collaborators who are healthily devoted to the spread of knowledge" and said that after "the Knowledge webmasters" were notified of the problems, most of the problematic content was removed and the article was protected. 247:... we have longstanding policies that deal with very effectively, and there is zero evidence for any of the sensationalist and negative claims put forward about Knowledge. Much of what writes is simply transparently idiotic: that some message board has hundreds of links to Knowledge ought to be no surprise, no matter what the content of the message board. That pedophiles think we are bigots for not allowing them to advocate here is no shocker, but neither is it evidence that we are a haven for pedophiles. Jana Winter is a disgrace to the professional of journalism, full stop, and I will complain about her at the highest levels possible. 448:"), the author reported that Knowledge's reputation had improved considerably since her high-school days, where the mere mention of Knowledge was met with "cringes" by her teachers. She explained the change as follows: "Knowledge is now recording anonymous posters’ IP addresses and, thus, forbidding repeat vandalizing offenders from striking again. It also reviews all changes." The author tested this with three well-intentioned and two deliberately destructive edits. Both vandalism edits were reverted, but so were two of the well-intentioned ones. 476: 117: 107: 33: 127: 874: 87: 591: 137: 97: 390:" bias. Further, he claims that some editors who advocated the insertion of a neutral point of view were blocked indefinitely or topic banned. The author said that he had attempted to edit Knowledge but was prevented from doing so because his edits were reverted. He found the explanation that his edits read too much like an Israel Defense Forces press release "almost comical". 90: 110: 287:
on how to deal with issues related to pedophile activity on the project, and that while there have been attempts to introduce pro-pedophilia bias in Knowledge in the past, that such attempts have been contained. Postings on the pro-pedophilia message board "GirlChat" in response to the Fox News story
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attempt to present the truth. And after reading this latest story, I'd say assuming good faith on behalf of Fox News would violate the general consensus that "assuming good faith is not a suicide pact". And lastly, Knowledge has a bigger audience than that cable entertainment channel; while they may
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to do a survey of the two to decide which is most reliable? Because they both clearly have opposite views on whether reporting by Fox News (and other Rupert Murdoch outlets, which tend to the same side of the spectrum) are accurate and reliable. It should be a useful exercise. Clearly both of them
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The section on Islamofascists doesn't have any independent information. No sampling of what must have been a huge move debate, no comments from appropriate WikiProjects, no verification or refutation of Lieberman's claims. I appreciate how much effort went into the FOX section, but this one seems a
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The Fox News article made few concrete statements about actual Knowledge content, among them the criticism that Knowledge contained links to pro-pedophilia sites: " links directly to NAMBLA's website, as do 25 other Knowledge pages. Knowledge also has 32 external links to GirlChat, 14 to a Danish
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Montaner stated that "my former student learned that one of the sources of disinformation is the University of Computer Sciences in Havana, built on what was the Lourdes espionage base created by the Soviets in Cuba during the Cold War. There, 'digital action commandos' write and rewrite the
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However, the claim made by Fox News that Wikisposure has identified hundreds of Knowledge editors who are convicted pedophiles and well-known pedophilia activists appears to be an independent finding not supported by the available information on Wikisposure. Wikisposure contains
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Hmmm. I am not a pedophile, I certainly am not an islamofacist, and I am not left wing (well, on the American scale I might be, but not the Canadian), so I guess that makes me a communist commando, whatever the hell that is. I guess I'm doing my Soviet heritage proud! Maybe?
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I found it rather funny how there's four huge long negative sections, and one really short positive one. Well, perhaps a slow news week for you guys, but apparently not here- we never get any coverage of Knowledge, regardless what happens.
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clearly indicate that while there had indeed been an effort by some of its users to "ensure that Knowledge articles" about pedophiles "contained true and correct information", Knowledge's present policy does not work in their favour.
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indefinitely in June 2008 for "Questionable activity in pedophilia-related areas". As for the other four users who voted keep, I make no assumptions, but this nevertheless seems like a pro-paedophilia campaign that succeeded.
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I do not mind stories critical of Knowledge – lord knows there are plenty of sensible criticisms that people can and do make. What I do mind is deeply irrational character assassination based on absolute untruths.
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of the journalistic standards evident in the report: "the story is absolutely scandalously idiotic, and Jana Winter, the author, should be fired from her job. The story is idiotic nonsense from top to bottom."
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As described by Walters, Delingpole's complaint about his Knowledge article centered on the mention of an event (described by The Guardian in a blog post titled
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has alleged that a global network of pedophiles is "trying to spin Knowledge in their favor" and "to lure more people into their world". Knowledge co-founder
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I'm seriously pissed off that I'm not being asked to join all these groups that are secretly controlling Knowledge. C'mon, guys, I wanna join the
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one libelous vandalism edit himself. He concludes, "Don’t trust Knowledge. We all use it, because there’s nothing better online, but be wary."
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and YouTube are "moderate" and "aggressive" sexual offenders, respectively. Other sites they have labelled as corporate sex offenders include
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This is not the first time that Fox News has attacked Knowledge with claims that it harbours pedophilia. Jana Winter's coverage of
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is biased, carries undue weight and had been vandalised. Guy Walters, an author and journalist who like Delingpole writes for
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James Delingpole, an English journalist and novelist involved in debates about climate change, recently published a column in
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buy ink by the barrel (to allude to the old canard), Knowledge owns one of the factories which makes the ink they buy. --
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made a strong pitch for keeping it. This was followed by four more "keeps", and the closing admin decided to keep it.
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that "All links that are mentioned are only used in talk pages or in articles very much related to the actual topic".
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The problematic edits happened at a time when Montaner was involved in a public controversy with Cuban singer
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can't be reliable because of the vast number of different topics on which they disagree very profoundly.
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biographies of friends and foes according to the script dictated to them by the political police."
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Last December, Delingpole had published an earlier article about Knowledge where he accused it of
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Knowledge controlled by pedophiles, left-wing trolls, Islamofascists and Communist commandos?
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Knowledge manipulated by "digital action commandos" operating out of former Soviet spy base
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Among the gaps in this coverage has been the fact that Knowledge has a well-established
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Frankly, I wonder which one of us are the bigger trolls, us Wikipedians or Fox News?
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I can't help but ask: is it time to explicitly remove Fox News from the group of
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though. It mentions a campaign by a pro-paedophilia web site to keep an AfD on
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I feel the need to offer Knowledge some ammunition in its quest to discredit me
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Allegations of anti-Israel bias were raised last week in a blog post titled
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In my opinion, can wikipedia be leftist at times? Yes. Extreme? Heck no.
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Climate sceptic James Delingpole's cheap shot at Newsweek backfires
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Must have been a slow newsweek for the 'traditional' media. :D —
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Good on Jimbo for putting unprofessional FOXNews in its place.
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There are secondary journalism sources on both the left --
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Wales slams Fox News article about pedophiles and Knowledge
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It appears that the Fox News story draws heavily from a
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and the present content of the article show a strong "
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