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Knowledge.All the manufactured "recession" outrage was based on Tweets that screenshot articles, page histories and talk pages. A journalist should think "huh, I wonder whether I can independently verify what this screenshot shows me". But of course someone who works for the
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While I've copyedited this page prior to publication, I just want to go on the record that I think this one of the few summaries that actually make sense, rather than the sensationalist nonsense of most other outlets, and the have-you-even-read-the-article misguidedness of demagogues like Musk and
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