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31: 2278:, et al.). Within the Star Trek guidelines indicated above, there are also clear conventions for naming of the discrete series, movies, and other items (largely harking of the common naming convention). While few other genres have the breadth of material in the Star Trek franchise, reflected in the ongoing creation/maintenance of articles for individual episodes/items, I'm sure a similar phenomenon may occur with other genres in time ... if not already. 488:, but it's entirely ass-backwards as to how policy decisions have been usually made in the past. There's a customary procedure for settling wide-ranging policy disputes: go on notice boards, discussion pages, the Village Pump, etc., and say "there's a lot of confusion about how XXX should be handled in the Knowledge, I'm starting a discussion ]" and then make a proposal, let it get hacked to death, let consensus emerge, vote if necessary, etc. 1205:. Excuse my obscenity, but holy shit, when did this happen? I've been following the prior policy of keeping the disambiguation page at the main topic page, and I think this approach is just fine. Its only disadvantage is that some disambiguation pages have the suffix and some don't, but so what? That's no reason to make a major structural change with 1138:

much easier to just tell them at "Thing", is this what you're after. I don't see a need to make generics consistent with primaries when generics make up 80% of dab pages anyway. The more common method is not only simpler but keeps pages at their rightful original titles, thereby avoiding confusion.

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I just want to be clear, does (TV xxxx) mean that only (TV or television) is being used and when needed (xxxx) is used or would (TV xxxx) be the standard? Also in my opinion a movie is just that, a movie. If you look through some of the older comments (TV movie) is a U.S. phenomenon and breaks with

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that I'm currently working on. Since the project is not very active I haven't gotten many other comments but I think that it is important enough to ask for outside opinions. Any input would be appreciated because there are many naming variants such as (TV), (sitcom), (TV series) (television), (TV

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I am glad you agree, I have been having a difficult time finding the information from the asterik versions. Do you think the order should always be People, Places, Things (PPT)? I have been creating pages in PPT format, and only recently noticed most pages are in an older format. Should there be a

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Look, I think the problem here is that some folks (I'm referring to many editors, on this page and elsewhere) are trying to effect change in the Knowledge by first making changes in the policy pages, and then pointing to those policy changes as the rationale for widespread and unpopular changes in

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Furthermore, it would make sense to have something at each article "Thing". To have a disambiguation page at "Thing" makes it abundantly clear that we don't know what you're after. To force a redirect to "Thing (disambiguation)" means there's nothing at "Thing", which is confusing — it would be

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I cannot find anywhere that says anybody should "fix" redirects by eliminating them. The only links that need fixing are those that point to disambiguation pages (and I doubt a bot can figure out the context). Redirects are incredibly helpful in determining when to split pages, and which links

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should just be one list — remember that using section headers, whether using headings or extra lead lines, lengthens the page, and so should only be used when necessary (about twenty ( or maybe fifteen) entries for leading lines, and thirty entries for headings is a good indicator). In fact,

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I'd also like to point out that in both the 3 January 2006 version and the current (9 January) version, it says "If you must link to a disambiguation page (instead of a specific meaning), link to a redirect to the disambiguation page that includes the text "(disambiguation)", e.g. America

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the reverse method. Now you call it the dark side. Well, I'm agnostic, but it's better to go with the 95% for consistency. It would be insanely difficult to move all the existing pages. Apparently there's not actually a technical reason after all. I've changed my position here.

1597:. "Series" does nothing to disambiguate Friends from anything else it is not necessary and shouldn't be included. "Series" would only be necessary if there was a television game show called Friends, i.e. Friends (television game show). It is confusing to have shows named 1752:. There is no confusion that Uranus is a type of mythology, or that school is a type of discipline. Using "television" is an appropriate way to disambiguate without adding unneeded complexity of differentiating things produced on television that are not series. -- 2235:

The proposed naming convention for television episodes is excellent and I'm sure helps to people get to the information that they are looking for rather than an episode for which they are not familiar. This suggestion may be applicable for other shows like the

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BTW, I checked the first page of 189, admittedly not as good a sample, and there were 19 "(disambiguation)" of which only 9 actually had primary topics. So that makes 180/189 (95%) as Generic, with 5.9% needed to be moved from "()" form. Not too hard to

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Aside from that, a reason to link to a generic topic dab page is very, very, very rare — there are many thousand disambiguation pages on Knowledge and I'd be surprised if so much as five hundred had a purposeful deliberate (non-LtDP) link to it.

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Are there actual processes that need to have an unambiguous link? If there aren't, then I'd be happy to change my default defense of the existing text. There should be enough knowledge and experience around here by now to know whether it really

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Nevertheless, I think my sample would have been representative of the general trend that can be found. I would suspect the majority of those 179 pages are primary topic dabs, but even if that's not so, we're still looking at a minimum 82.1% at

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Thanks; I understand. I suggest it only as a guide – maybe even a precedent – for the possible treatment and disambiguation of ep articles for series within other genres that share similar roots/names or have many incarnations (e.g.,

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where individual episodes guides are available. Unfortunately it may not be appropriate disambiguating the individual television shows themselves where someone may be looking for the television rather than an episode.

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uses a single word (a noun) to disambiguate comic books, graphic novels, comic strips, comics creators and comics characters, despite their varied background and meaning. This convention make it so there is only only

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I agree with Neo that there's no reason to have a policy on this; it should be decided on a case-by-case basis. In fact, the order of entries in general for dab pages is deliberately not mandated in this guideline.

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The idea of "Table" redirecting to "Table (disambiguation)", as far as this page and its discussion was concerned, began on 17 May 2005, with an addition that was not discussed on this page. It first appeared in

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With regard to the link sorting thing, I think an exception can be made for this; it is readily apparent that the link is intentional (given, after all, its purpose) and I'm sure dab-link fixers will be aware of

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Also does adding "series" make it an unnecessary disambiguation, shouldn't "TV" or television be sufficient unless there are two similarly name shows or shows that have coverage in two separate countries like

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Woah, Nelly! I've just read your reference, and it looks like the text conforms to that! Wahoofive explicitly objected to having the "reverse process" and it looks to me like you were the odd man out....

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Because it doesn't look like I have been able to get a consensus on the naming convention, perhaps I can get a consensus on a poll (if there are no objections). There have been previous polls

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of 3 January 2006 says that "In other cases, where there is no such consensus, disambiguation pages are named after the topic itself (Table, for example)." There was nothing about a redirect.

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I agree that the comparison is not 100% but the principle is there, don't add disambiguation unless necessary. I guess what I don't understand is the need for the word "series". Compare

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Thanks for replying, but what constitutes a series? A sitcom, a drama, a miniseries, a cartoon? Are they all series? What about game shows or news programs. I'm not clear which is which.

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Until that happens, a policy page should document the state that actually pertains in the Knowledge, even if that state is "no consensus, so editor's choice", like Amer./Brit. English. --

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Also, having the disambiguation page without "()" would make it easy to distinguish in the category whether it's a Generic topic visually. Only the Primary topics would have the label.

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Looks like the disambiguation page changed since the MoS was written. Yep, somebody named Qaz, plus some Tedernst (no surprise). I'll fix it,and try to word the MoS more accurately.

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if needed), or the like? And given the abundance of discussion regarding this (and also that the above locale indicated by Netoholic is listed as inactive/invalid), I'm unsure

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In response to the first question: it depends. I believe it should only be used when clarity is required (i.e., otherwise defaulting to the common naming convention), but

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Personnaly, I have no preference about that. However, I would object to you comparison to albums and films, that television is far broader realm than albums and films. A

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Sectioning is one of those things where you really have to look at each page and decide each case individually. Hence, I don't think a template's such a good idea.

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I didn't check which one of the (disambiguation) pages was actually a generic topic page. The actual percentage statistic ideally should be found by finding (179−

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Which is the prefered disambiguation - (TV series) or (television)? I've seen both used or similar variants but (TV series) seems to be more popular. Thanks! --

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would instead be this equivalent. I think that this latter form is indeed not suitable, because too precise for the simple purpose of a disambiguation. For me

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I've no general objection to polls: instead, IMO, a poll should be mounted on the options themselves, not on whether or not we should poll on the options.

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and JavaScript extensions that fix redirect links, and I've never seen one exempt dab pages before. This exemption, if it exists, also needs to be added to

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where the subtopics have been distinguished by two *s (**) and there is no clear Table of Contents (TOC) distinction between people and places and things?

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I'm just trying to maintain continuity with the old text, presumably the existing practice. I really don't think it's too much effort to link to an

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I don't think we need thousands of disambiguation for television programs. Series, sitcoms, a drama, a miniseries, a cartoon, "normal" series use

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where disabiguation by creator, genre type, release year/era is not used unless necessary. Television should be similarly treated. There was a

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In this case, it appears to have been done manually. But in other cases, there may be editors using automated processes to eliminate redirects.

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the current ad-hoc system, "(television)" or "(television...)". Hopefully this will not be so divisive and some kind of convention emerges. --

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Yep, fairly rare. The page is supposed to exist anyhow, and be listed, and redirect pages are cheap in the database. So, what's the problem?

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what this paragraph is trying to say, then I haven't a clue what point it's trying to get across, and someone who does needs to rewrite it. --

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endeavor to fix redirect links, and should intentionally link to the redirect term? If so, it needs to be much more explicit — there are

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has become a mess, too! "Table (information)" links to "tables" which redirects to "table", which is "table (disambiguation)". Yech! --

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Should a revised guideline be adopted to "reverse" generic topic disambiguation pages, or should the current guideline be maintained?

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I'm still opposed to using (television) by itself as the disambiguator for a TV program. The main article on TV shows and series is

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is a good example where section headers would work really well (it looks as if, done properly, that page would be two pages long!).

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A quick flick through the LtDP pages shows me that just about all of the links there are just your usual generic-topic-name, like

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Unfortunately, there is a lack of consistency throughout the *pedia as to where the disambiguation page is located: some pages at

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Hi, you should only split dab pages into people, places, things (or, for that matter, any grouping) where it is really long.

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Should a revised guideline be adopted to eliminate the unambiguous redirects, or should the current guideline be maintained?

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From what I've seen, almost all generic topic pages are at the original name. Can the generic topic section be corrected?

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I prefer Appleton the subsection headers, because they show in the ToC. I'd put the people first (alphabetized), though. --

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When I sectionalized, I ran back through a lot of guideline edit history to ensure that I didn't make any semantic changes.

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I disagree with the movie blurb: just because it's a US phenomenon (many things are), that doesn't obviate it. (Remember

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In other cases, where there is no such consensus, then there is no primary topic page. The generic term or phrase should

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where it is divided into people, places and things? Here the places are subcategories of the countries. or do you prefer:

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should only be used when further disambiguation is needed. Shows can be disambiguated by country if necessary (

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the (film) convention. I don't think (TV movie) should be used unless absolutely needed for disambiguation. --

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There were also 18 pages with titles such as "King's (electoral district)", that is, double disambiguations;

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I've even seen bots do the same for targeted cases, such as after a page move, but I could be mistaken. --

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is quite explicit in and of itself. And I'm sure someone would take exception to variant spellings of '

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show), (game show) that should be standardized on the project page. Please leave comments here. --

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That's really interesting. So the "reverse" method won out in practice despite the objections.

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If we're going to change these relatively clear guidelines, we better have a serious discussion!

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you can make the change in the policy and legitimately point to it as rationale for the change.

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Not all disambiguations are "examples of..." there are just as many disambiguators which are

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Ensure that the disambiguation page links back to an unambiguous page name (that is, link to

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Therefore, I'll start a couple of new talk sections explicitly on the topic (per TreyHarris).

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for some background discussion and the straw polls. One of the proposals here is get rid of

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Any or all of these could include comics and other variants, or be tweaked to. Thoughts?

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I prefer (television). With a year added if necessary, ie. Cinderella (1957 television).

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ambiguous page, and it's one less thing for fixers to check. I know I'd prefer less work!

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This is a page name and structural (redirect) issue. It certainly doesn't belong in

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This paragraph is terribly confusing, especially when taken together with the actual

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Um... I know it's not your fault, but this business of the policy page describing a

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A link going straight to the target is preferred over a link relying on a redirect.

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Several different types are already required to be maintained as lists to prevent "

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Links that are intended to go to the dab page (which should be rare) should go to

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Knowledge talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)/Disambiguation subcategories

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Knowledge talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)/Disambiguation subcategories

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Presumably more lists will be added to comply with the separate poll results for

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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I agree with E Pluribus on this point. Just looking at the first paragraph of

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I didn't check pages individually to ensure they were what I thought they were.

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I concur, although Neo and I have very different ideas of fun. (Good work.)

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Using the noun "television" to disambiguate programs is the wrong standard.

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where xxxx is the show type, typically series, movie or miniseries, see

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to the guidelines. The changes to those pages has occurred afterwards.

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I hope this is helpful; please let me know if you've any questions.

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Relatedly, this was a topic of some discussion regarding the various

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Hang on — wait — since when was a generic topic page a redirect to

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Precedent for this naming conventions has been established by the

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impact, especially when the status quo makes just as much sense.

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television series/episodes and incarnations. After discussion,

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is the number of primary topics in the sample. Note that (179−

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Hmmm. I suggested the two above since there may be TV movies/

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I personally think that simple disambiguation should be used (

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Get rid of this sentence entirely; this topic belongs on the

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that most editors agree is the primary meaning for the term (

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Great; I'll peruse shortly. You might also want to address

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for some background discussion and the straw polls. Thanks/

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PPT Template created? That way it can be standardized. --

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exactly 180° from what actually exists in the Knowledge (

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to standardize naming conventions about a year ago with

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which has the UK and the US version. Or something like

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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds —

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to dually eliminate ambiguity with actual terms (e.g.,

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