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In the templates, the font-size is 14px, which is 25% smaller. For me personally, the boldness only makes the readability worse for smaller text. Best way I can describe it is that because elements are thicker, the gaps between them are smaller, which makes distinguishing letters harder. I only came
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don't apply any specific styles and while the inline styles do take precedence over other user-generated styles, the behaviour of the inline CSS will be analogous to it's previous behaviour if the CSS variables defined for vector-2022 are absent.
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Bold text has an exception that your average color contrast checker will not catch that allows 3:1 (web-aware ones will note that this use is allowed). This particular line is accessible. "Accessibility" isn't a very good argument on the
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The contrast checker above, webaim.org has a "Large Text" section, which is 14pt (18.6667px) and bold (font-weight: 700). For this font-size and font-weight, the red foreground color passes "WCAG AA", but doesn't pass "WCAG
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And for being an unnecessary fork. I asked for an example of where the original template wasn't working and you didn't give one. If there isn't a problem was the current one, we don't need a duplicate template.
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This seems to be some kind of dark mode thing? I don't really understand though -- shouldn't we be trying to use stylesheets for stuff and not inline styles? Moreover, we already have styles (e.g.
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One reason not to change it is that this is our standard red for errors and other eye-catching text of a warning nature. The closed color is not and should perhaps be reconsidered.
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here, because I had been reading some TfD archives, and I have noticed that my eyes completely glossed over the the "Please do not modify it." part, because I couldn't read it.
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The template was deemed delete-able mostly for not being in use, and is now on a list of things to remove from pages, this is a bit contradictory.
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in particular - there are more than half a million substed uses of the old color. Changing it isn't worth the inconsistency. It's
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I'm saying that red (#f00) is our standard red for such things. The background color OTOH has no standardization.
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template was substituted, it could cause issues due to the fact that the styles might not being carried over
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Considering background colors of other templates, the contrast with red of Tfd's very light green is bad (
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This combination of colors – background #e3f9df and foreground #ff0000 – is not very readable. It fails
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I'll be honest, no one is likely to care because you're improving readability, I say just go for it (for
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standard red for errors and other eye-catching text of a warning nature. The closed color is not
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My thought process here for adding inline styles was twofold:
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I know you say it's not relevant, but we might as well change
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affected templates). If people complain, point 'em here.
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For reference, the brightest color for foreground which
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I agree. The bold red is readable enough, and - for
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