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770:: I agree that most kings should only have the most common version of their praenomen and nomen and not their full titularies. However some kings either do not have both cartouche names known and/or they are mainly known by their Horus name. This is particularly a problem with the Early Dynastic kings and kings from the First and Second Intermediate Periods. If anyone wanted to write an article on, say, Den (Horus name) or Saket (only 1 cartouche known), they could not use these templates. That is not a big problem at this moment, I admit, but I did want to think ahead somewhat. Perhaps a Template:PharaohSerkekh and a Template:Pharaoh1Cartouche (for a single cartouche) could be made at some point. A note in the descriptions of the templates could explain what they are intended to be used for specifically. 836:
written without its buns. On reflection, I think that the removal of the titulary would be an improvement: I think the sedge may be pushing the top and bottom of the cartouch too wide anyway. As you suspected, I am in favour of keeping the cartouches as they are a distinctive part of most royal inscriptions, and may aid the beginner in the understanding of inscriptions. If we can produce a broad and flexible range of templates, we may be able to make better use of hieroglyphs. I'll try a revision of the two-cartouch template for starters.
736:(or something) that would be a handy companion to personal, divine and place names. I just glad that someone worked out how to get the signs inside a cartouche. Most of the better known pharaohs are known by praenomen and nomen. How important is it that Kheperkare Senwosret (I) was the Horus Ankhmesut? Certainly, we can create specific templates for pharaohs with different naming systems. If you fancy falcons in boxes, I would like to find a fun way of representing the names of the Ptolomys. 2340:. The latter is far more flexible, as it can take the {{{align}}} and {{{era}}} parameters. As the colour schemes are set by parameters, the entire scheme for one period of Egyptian history can be altered in one place. The default colour scheme (silver/black) does not default yet: if you want to use it, use era=default when calling the template. I've tweaked the padding on the templates so that they a more presentable, and I've written full instructions on the template talk pages. 102:
was picked as a standard because we all had heard of this book, the usual quality of the releases by Oxford U Press, & that to accept a divergence from the standard one has to make a plausible argument. I've done precisely that with the entries concerning the 1st & 2nd Intermediate Periods: where our authority fails, offer the best text of the primary source, & differ the various arguments about where this primary source errs to the specific article.
111:, & other exchanges I've had with the most likely candidate), so I'd rather be in a position of reporting what one authority says & making exceptions, rather than endlessly arguing over every specific point because "every" Egyptologist has his/her own opinion -- even if their opinions differ by only a letter or a year -- because everyone is entitled to her/his opinion being heard, no matter how unreasonable. 2226: 2166: 2141: 2093: 1639: 1576: 1551: 1493: 1125: 1067: 1000: 952: 927: 877: 1267: 129:
Egyptian is well-known, this is not really a problem (i.e., Khufu vs. Cheops, etc.). Where it is a problem, IMO, is with less well-known names such as Nesubanebdjed vs Smendes, Pasebakhaenniut vs. Psusennes, Nekau vs. Necho, Ahmose II vs Amasis, Nefaarud vs Nepheritites, etc. Very few people are going to come to Wiki and search for 'Ahmose II' when they want to know about
2065:, etc.). "Protodynastic" (as term) should be used rather than "Predynastic" (a much longer period). Secondly, if there are to be colour definitions for each period, one will be needed for the Roman emperors. They did rule Egypt as pharaohs (at least as much as the Persians, and they built widely in Egypt), and many did have full Egyptian titularies. — 1191:. I agree that coordinating with the Dynasty template is a good idea - this is an opportunity to make the Dynasty template more colourful, not the name templates greyer! A different colour for each of the 30-odd dynasties may be a bit much, but a colour for each period ought to be achievable (a dozen or so distinguishable reds, oranges and yellows). 2949:
I honestly don't see how this is an issue. We have the jargon or technical word, which appears because that is the precise term; this is then followed with a phrase that offers a non-technical explanation. If I had to critique the templates, having glanced at a few, they should offer transliterations
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Quite right about the nebty/horus of gold names. Will change the 5Fold template when I get the time to reflect this. Shouldn't prove to be a problem -- that's the beauty of a template after all: a change made at source will automatically be updated elsewhere. Thanks for the providing the full example
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I'll live either way with the colour. I just thought a tiny degree of consistency with the Dynasty template might be nice. And the cartouches are not that big a deal. So basically we are down to getting rid of the titles. One other suggetion was to make the text of the cartouche templates in NOT bold
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article with Afrocentric material. (You may have to check the article's history as I have replaced it twice now with the old version; look for articles by 24.209.250.134) While I certainly don't want to have it degenerate into an edit war, I really don't think that sort of biased material has a place
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Ril, To the best of my knowledge, these are the exact terms that Egyptologists use when referring to these parts of the name of the Pharaoh. We've had a couple of people who are knowledgable about Ancient Egypt (one is a professional Egyptologist), & they haven't commented on these words. Do you
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be included. As I stated before, the actual orthography of nsw-bity and s3-ra varied considerably over time (and often even in the same reign), or might vary based on if it came from a hieratic text or a hieroglyphic text, etc. Secondly, and perhaps more significantly, they are titles and not really
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I took a look at the history of the Thebes page, & I have to agree with you about these edits. It's one thing -- & the right thing -- to add some material explaining Dr. Chancellor Williams' opinion about Thebes; it's another entirely to replace one POV with only his. Let's see how this anon
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Regarding Shaw, I would add a plea that he not be relied on over much. For example, his chronological list leaves out a number of now generally recognised rulers of the Third Intermediate Period (Shoshenq "quartus" and Iny for example); I have added Shoshenq "quartus" where appropriate, but have yet
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page (or the Talk page there) within a day or two as it may be of general interest. As for Psusennes, while I am completely sympathetic to wanting to use Egyptian instead of Greek, the reality is that the vast majority of people coming to Wiki are not going to use "Pasebakhaenniut" as a search term,
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As for HieroWiki, I agree its documentation leaves much to be desired -- although it's a clever little program. I've taken a look at the source code, & it appears to be straightforward enough php. If we don't hear back from the author, I may break down & learn enough php to see if I can fix
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It may not be clear from the above discussion, but the whole point of standardizing on Shaw was to avoid edit wars over how to properly represent a given ancient Egyptian's name, e.g. Amenhotep, Amunhotpe, Amenopsis, etc. Shaw clearly has some holes & idosyncratic spellings in this book, but he
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Thank you: I had got to the stage where everything was tolerably tidy, but lost the will to keep on tweaking it! I am having problems understanding parameter defaults: some of the literature says you can set them, but it's not working for me. The colours all seem to default to white at the moment,
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I was referring to the fact that the average reader is not a professional Egyptologist (wikipedia has the following template explaining the issues around such a situation). I do not feel it is appropriate, particularly as anyone with a basic awareness of latin, or just a good educated guess, will
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I'm not sure what bug you are referring to. We had identified that WikiHiero interprets r:t as r-t. The serekh is a badly drawn JPEG (by me). I'm sure another format would do a better job of it. The template creates a box by defining the dimensions of table-cells around the WikiHiero syntax. I've
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In other words, if you have a better candidate for a standard, please share it with us. Or even if it merely substitutes what we have for certain parts of our current standard. (But I seriously doubt anyone will much care about certain items like the proper order for the kings of the 13th or 14th
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Nubia is an important topic related to Ancient Egypt. The Hittites are the only other rival of Ancient Egypt on par with the Nubians, and Hatti didn't have the strong economic, cultural, and historic ties to Pharonic civilization that Nubia did/does. This project was set up for Ancient Egypt and
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I've tweaked the cellpadding: the cartouches no longer touch the left border with long names. I've set top and bottom borders to 4px, and left and right to 10px. I think some more tweaking is in order. The nomen cartouche is a little too close to the bottom border, and there is a little too much
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Nectanebo II, even though the actual Egyptian names of the Nectanebos are completely different (they just happened to sound the same to Greek-speakers). Of course, following my own advice on Psusennes, most people are going search for Nectanebo, Amasis, Necho, etc., and not the Egyptian version.
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Shaw also has some rather idiosyncratic spellings (Piy instead of Piye being one of them, though it is thankfully not Piankhy). Moreover, he is not consistant about using Egyptian instead of Greek. For example, he does use Ahmose II for Amasis and Hakor for Achoris, but still has Nectanebo I and
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I find the French Knowledge articles on Egyptology quite colourful. I suppose we could make colour meaningful: a different colour for each dynasty, perhaps. I had noticed that Senwosret's mouth was having problems chasing the bun, but I couldn't fix it easily. I hadn't noticed that nsw-bity was
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There were a few problems with cellpadding. The original template uses tables nested inside tables nested inside tables for each cartouche. I've changed the markup from HTML to pipes and added comments throughout: I hope this makes the templates easier to work with. I'll see if I can tweak the
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I understand completely. However I think it it needs to be kept in mind that people other than Egyptologists and well-read "amateurs" (for lack of a better term) use Wiki. As I stated above, I am completely sympathetic to using Egyptian versions of names, rather than Greek. In cases where the
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I think the change of names would be good. If we wanted, we could include the position of the box on the page as a variable, rather than having a different template for each position. Concerning colours, we might end up like newly-weds choosing curtain fabric! I thought the orange colour was
2507:. Have also added it to the standard ancient Egyptian template pages as well, explaining how it works. If there's anyone out there still monitoring this, my question now is: should such things as the Horus "prefix" be added as a standard to the serekh template as a matter of course? 2047:
Personally I find most the colours all rather garish (the red, lime, and fuchia in particular). I realise of course this is just a matter of opinion. My suggestion is to use either light earth tones or greys/light blues. The bigger question in my mind is just how this is going to be
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note the meaning of these terms, and reach an inappropriate conclusion (i.e. that the item marked under "praenomen" is the person's first name, and under "nomen" is the next part of their name, rather than it being their throne and birth names). I feel that we should be avoiding
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For those of us who aren't up to date with the secondary literature, would you offer a short introduction to KMT, & just what it is? (From the context, I assume it is a periodical about Ancient Egypt, but would you add something about what it covers, its reputation, etc.) --
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dynasties.) Nothing is written stone, & this standard right now is accepted more by default than after extensive discussion; I for one would like to see more criticism of what we have done & ideas for making it better (e.g., where the hottest disputes are & why). --
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Back to the issue of colour: it was suggested that we use different colours for different periods, and use the same colour scheme for the pharaoh and hiero templates. Here is a suggestion for a scheme: feel free to edit it, the colours are not meaningful. Any thoughts on this?
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On colours, some consistency would be useful - for example, how about having all of the intermediate periods in red tones, and the "kingdom" periods in yellows? I don't like the brighter greens or blues very much. I've changed the colours around a bit - is this better? --
2448:, and I've implemented it on templates for Egyptian deities. It's all looking pretty together; is there anything else we can do with the templates? I was wondering if we might need some odd templates for the Early Dynastic Period with the Horus name, praenomen and nomen. 828:. They make the box much too large. Additionally, there are instances of High Priests of Amun, the God's Wives of Amun, etc. using cartouches but without the titles (they wouldn't go that far). This is another point against included them in the template. Just a thought. — 2828:
Nah, you're all right. It didn't make much sense, but I suspect there was a story in there somewhere -- I think I'll rescue it and put it on Talk; perhaps someone familiar with the mythology'll recognize it and be able to polish it up into something comprehensible.
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I just wanted to drop a note and let you all know that I know have access to a fairly complete set of back issues of KMT (including Volume 1), so if anyone who doesn't have such access needs an article scanned in, let me know (on my talk page, not here).
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Much as I dislike seeing jargon in Knowledge articles, this is one case where we can't avoid using it -- & I don't see how these two words hinder a non-specialist reader from understanding the article. Are you sure you're not just picking nits? --
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Orientation of serekhs: ideally they should be verticle, however WikiHiero doesn't allow for that. Also, I would leave off the Horus for the same reason I suggested leaving off the other titles (orthography changed over time, some use Sutekh instead,
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The Finnish templates for the cartouches already have nsw-bity and s3-ra encoded. I really think this should be stripped out. The orthography is quite variable depending on the period (i.e., Middle Kingdom writings are not the same as Ptolemaic
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reminiscent of sand and sphinx, and that grey is just too grey: perhaps this'll need arbitration! I feel that it is good to have a generic link on the box (I agree that 'in' should not be linked). We might want to create an article called
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A request: would it be possible to be able to add the standard titles of the king (i.e. the sedge and the bee, golden horus name, etc) in the semi-standard fivefold titulary form? Have just finished expanding a new article on the
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and was frustrated in my attempts to add anything more than the initial symbols. In the Thutmose I example, it would have been great to include his full titles instead of just the pronunciation and rough translation.
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I belive that there are two lists because the conventional chronology now is considered outdated by many scholars. There is not a single modern chronolgy yet, but this wikiproject has selceted the chrology in the
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in principle, I like the idea but I have to admit I am not exactly crazy about the yellow. What about something along these lines? (The Pharaoh example does have a coding error in it, but you get the idea. A few
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parameters. However, this will temporarily break the template on the pages that call it, so I'll have to go around fixing them all. I may introduce an extra colour scheme as non-period-specific alternative to
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I have now coded the revised colour chart and introduced the {{{era}}} parameter to call the correct colours without having to look them up. I've put the templates and list of colours and their codes on
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to include Iny. I would emphasise that both kings are regarded as factual by both mainstream Egyptologists and the folks supporting the New Chronology, so this is not something that is highly debatable.
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left out the Horus, as some Horus names are introduced by Horus and Seth. I'm not sure whether the serekh would look better rotated through 90 degrees: so as look more like a real serekh inscription.
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My apologies, I thought it was a pretty textbook case of patent nonsense - it didn't make any sense, and I couldn't even tell from it what "Esna" was supposed to be. I can undelete if you like...
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to leave a note here. I confess I should have read the discussion here before I started, though frankly I didn't think about it either. My apologies if I stepped on some toes; it was not intended.
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I tried out the new template. As you can (hopefully) see, when the actual hieroglyphic text is longer than "praenomen or throne name", hit the left side of the box. Is there any way to pad this?
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system. However, it does have a few problems. It cannot rotate signs, nor overlap them. It doesn't indicate damage or rubication (red). It's library of hieroglyphs is fairly limited. It can draw
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Could we have a little discussion on relocating that article? I'm not at all convinced by "Pylon (obelisk)", but the blindingly obvious killer-location alternative isn't suggesting itself. See
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Perhaps this is not news to the rest of you, but I've just discovered that you can write a cartouche in WikiHiero syntax. This is not discussed in the help files on the syntax that I've read.
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What a good idea. I prefer the smaller and more colourful options, as opposed to the larger and greyer ones. I'm not sure that the template is the right place to be distinguishing between
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I have no such information available, I was just curious how Nubia fitted into the picture. Sometimes Egyptologists consider it to come under the heading of "Egyptology" in a wider sense.
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I'm not aware that we needed a policy conerning Afrocentrism, not having encountered it until now. But then there's a lot of topics on Knowledge where disputes are waiting to emerge. :(
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bias? Clearly it is not at all in the spirit of a NPOV, but on a practical level, what is to be done? The reason I ask is there is currently an anon. individual replacing the existing
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in its "see also" section since it was created in October 2004. Even so, I suspect that you are right that they were created separately and independently (there is some discussion in
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Didn't hear back from anyone, so I spent some time learning the syntax and have hopefully come up with a decent working example, which has been template-ified and can be found at:
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carried out. There will be a need for a seperate template for each period. I personally think that just one, for all periods, is a lot easier and less confusing in the long run.
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re light earth tones rather than the more garish colours used at present (particularly, lime and fuchia). Is there a list of colours somewhere, or do we just make them up? --
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The serekh doesn't view properly in my ancient version of Mozilla, but it did quite nicely at work in Internet Exploder. (It also shows the same bug Nefertum complained about.)
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If this second template is used, (the hiero/2cartouche) I think it would be best to change the pages using the old one and request its deletion for the sake of consistancy.
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treatment of the names. If you want Shaw to be it, that is fine, but I would urge that more familiar forms be favoured whenever possible. I would suggest, however, for the
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Please have a good look at the WikiHiero code, and see if you can fix any bugs in it. It would be nice to know if it can do anything else we haven't been told about.
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regarding the cartouches: I was aware that you can code them yourself in WikiHiero. However, it might be best to have them "hard" encoded in the templates
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Egyptian topics should be our concern. If you would like set up a sister WikiProject about Nubia, I imagine you could count on this project's support. -
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It was deleted while I trying to fix it; hmm... pretty ugly it was, but "patent nonsense" was perhaps a bit harsh. I left a geo-stub-plus in its place.
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The nebty name and the horus of gold shouldn't been in cartouches - dont want to just change this as it would affect everypage that uses the template ?
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are not stacked as they should be. You didn’t make an encoding error. It is a bug in that particular combination. Try entering r:t and then r*t in
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I've been in one or two flame wars over precisely what the "consensus of Egyptologists" believe (for example see the pages connected to
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part of the name. I just don’t think they are needed. I would like to point out that in the main scholarly collection of kings' names (
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by Ian Shaw as the standard here. Some dynasties overlap and some such as Dynasty zero, were unknown when the list was compliled by
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I think the templates should be renamed to something like Template:HieroL, Template:HieroR; Template:PharaohL, and Template:PharaohR
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I've changed fuchsia to lightcoral and lime to palegreen in the table above. I'll also implement these in the {{{era}}} templates.
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Very good. Now all we need to do is decide on colours. Does anyone have any suggestions of specific colours? I agree with
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template is the best, simply because it is shorter, and a blue border will contrast nicely with the header fill colours. --
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are now obsolete, and are only being called by talk pages. We could list them for deletion. The new colour scheme is called
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be used as a "standard"; its importance to that subject cannot be underrated. I offer this only as a suggestion, however.
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have coding errors (such as the black line below the heading box) that need to be worked out if they were to be used.)
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AFAIK, we have none. No one has brought the subject up. Would you like to add Nubian topics to this WikiProject? --
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material, let me know & I'll just move it to my personal userspace; I don't want to lose all of this labor. --
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for consistency (ideally sorting out the default colours first, though, to avoid breaking the current usage)? --
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dynasty we should provide the source for our dates, at least up until the 26th Dynasty, when it becomes solid.
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The templates look fine to me. I have no problem with the serekh one at all (using Safari on a Mac). Regarding
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As you say, it could be tweeked a bit for the spacing issues you mention, but all in all, I really like it! —
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even if they know how to spell it; even Shaw uses Psusennes, as does every other encyclopaedic-type source (
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I did want to justify some changes I made with regard to this group's adoption of the "standards" in Shaw's
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Okay - at any rate, the two articles do the same thing, we shouldn't have two lists. Personally, I think
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The syntax is {{hiero/serekh|align=left|bordercolour=black|bgcolour=silver|name=Aha|horus=<hiero: -->
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For a perfect example of why the titles should not be used on the name templates, see the article at
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Here is an example of the codes in practice: Hatshepsut was a New Kingdom queen, and so we give her
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in italic. This keeps keeps the emphasis on the glyphs themselves. (See my dummy example.) —
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allows you to put a Horus name, praenomen and nomen into one template. I hope you like it.
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If some sort of colour code is to be used, I would suggest 2 other changes. I have added a
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What should be done with kings who lack one or both cartouche names, but may have, say a
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Also, the two lists don't mention each other - a sure sign of independent development.
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cellpadding in the right place to prevent the cartouche colliding with the border.
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article (i.e., the so-called Dynasty 0), which deals with the Predynastic kings (
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Perhaps I should simplify the templates that use cartouches to use this instead.
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I want to complain about the terminology used in the hieroglyph templates.
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Just in case you don't know, here's an example, you use < and : -->
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Okay, here are two new templates. The in-page wikitext for each is:
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have any cites or authorities that show our usage is incorrect? --
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In essence, therefore, I agree with you that there should be one
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Could these be changed please, as they are quite inappropriate.
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ought to discuss various dating schemes, and so on, and that
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so that it's in line with the other templates: it'll get the
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Excellent - since you and I were the only editors, I have
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actually necessary? In any event, I don't think the word
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The dates come (without corrections) from Ian Shaw, ed.
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Why is there a list of pharaohs at both of these pages?
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Thanks for deleting those. I've added another template:
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Does this group have some sort of policy or response to
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Would it be possible to add an alignment parameter to
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and Pasebakhaenniut to Psusennes. I will justify the
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all in all, they are looking good! Thanks Gareth! —
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I think it would be possible to add the 1863:Good work on the cell padding - excellent. 717: 643: 615: 544: 418:I hope these little boxes will be useful. 197:British Museum Dictionary of Ancient Egypt 133:(and despite the claims of the article at 68:British Museum Dictionary of Ancient Egypt 49:, specifically my changing of Sheshonq to 2586:Have you looked at the two articles? The 2695:Knowledge:WikiProject_Ancient_Egypt/Temp 2557:They both use different dates, as well. 1709:blank space in the middle of the table. 167:Finally, as for Oxford Uni Press, their 28:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Ancient Egypt 18:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Ancient Egypt 1227: 14: 447:-name recorded, or only a nomen, etc.? 2399:which is bearable. I'm going to redo 1976: 1785: 789:Handbuch der ägyptischen Köningsnamen 2676:ought to give the list currently at 754:. (The dummy versions I placed here 383:Variable 2 = hieroglyphs (with tags) 169:Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt 72:Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt 414:— same as previous, but left-margin 391:— same as previous, but left-margin 377:— right-margin general hieroglyphs 23: 2293:i-mn:n-W9:t-F4:t-B7</hiero: --> 2027: 1993: 1920: 1807: 1752: 156:Third Intermediate Period in Egypt 24: 3038: 2328:I've replaced all occurrences of 2010: 792:s under the sw-plant and the bee. 2678:Conventional Egyptian chronology 2670:conventional Egyptian chronology 2651:Conventional Egyptian chronology 2639:Conventional Egyptian chronology 2590:cites sources, including Shaw. 2588:Conventional Egyptian chronology 2577:in antiquity. Hope this helps. - 2542:Conventional Egyptian chronology 2224: 2164: 2139: 2091: 1637: 1574: 1549: 1491: 1265: 1123: 1065: 998: 950: 925: 875: 313:{{Hiero/pharaoh|1=Senwosret I|2= 223:here. I did leave a note on the 2730:Oxford History of Ancient Egypt 2571:Oxford History of Ancient Egypt 2336:in the main article space with 1937: 1903: 1840: 1829: 1774: 1172:D:f-A-X4-H-p:N36</hiero: --> 397:— right-margin pharaonic names 47:Oxford History of Ancient Egypt 34:Names of kings and other issues 2985:, and Nubia related articles? 2693:And then there is the list at 752:Template:Egyptian Dynasty list 93:up in a day or two as well. -- 13: 1: 2520:17:46, August 25, 2005 (UTC) 2297:as can be seen to the right. 2058:Protodynastic Period of Egypt 210:Dealing with Afrocentric bias 26:For current discussions, see 2881:, and neither Egyptian, nor 2629:- some of the references in 1948: 1892: 1818: 1763: 1741: 7: 2594:doesn't cite any sources. 2512:02:26, 22 August 2005 (UTC) 2498:03:17, 12 August 2005 (UTC) 1965: 1796: 1445:, it generally follows the 1047:ra:nb-F9:t*t</hiero: --> 458:should be part of the link. 10: 3043: 2217: 2179: 2174: 2132: 2106: 2101: 1630: 1589: 1584: 1542: 1506: 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Index

Knowledge talk:WikiProject Ancient Egypt
Knowledge talk:WikiProject Ancient Egypt
Llywrch
Shoshenq
Shoshenq
user page
Nefertum17
David Rohl
llywrch
Amasis
Ahmose I
Third Intermidate Period
Nefertum17
Afrocentric
Thebes, Egypt
Thebes, Egypt
Nefertum17
llywrch
hieroglyphs
Kompak
Template:Hiero
Template:Hiero1
Template:Hiero/pharaoh
Template:Hiero/pharaoh1
Gareth Hughes
serekh
hieroglyphs
Nefertum17
hieroglyphs
hieroglyphs

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