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statement, and refusing to allow details of the allegations in the MM article; after Depp lost his libel case in the UK, editors seem to want to add minutiae on anti-Heard online petitions, or blatant attempts of Depp's team to smear her to the article... I can go on and give more details if you are interested. It also appears that quite a few Wikipedians seem to lose their ability to look at the big picture (e.g. the entire case from start to present day) or to have any basic source criticism when it comes to these articles. It also doesn't seem that many Wikipedians have any basic knowledge of domestic/intimate partner violence (e.g. that mutual abuse is rare but the abuser trying to frame self-defense as such is not; that fake allegations are very, very rare; that it's often difficult to take cases to court; that BDSM and abuse are different things entirely; that abusers can seem to be nice people to outsiders...), although of course this applies to the general population as well. Even in a case where there are multiple accusers making very serious allegations and politicians calling for a FBI investigation (e.g. Manson) or where the accusations have been proven in a civil court (Depp), it seems to be difficult to break through this bias.
1841:, it would be interesting to have similar data on female vs. male biographies that are not BLPs. I was also wondering to what extent biographies of sportswomen could represent a major factor in this analysis as it appears to me that the majority of BLPs are in fact about sports people. It might be interesting to run queries which exclude sports people to see whether they do in fact represent a major influence (and if not whether new BLPs on all the other categories over the years have been improving at higher or lower rates). Although it is probably not at all significant, I have also been wondering what proportion of articles originally written as BLPs are now no longer categorized as such as the individuals they cover have since died. It might be interesting to know how many articles are no longer BLPs but I don't expect it will change the stats.-- 887:
there is no way of identifying gender in the text or in the title. Stuartyeates says that the fact they are in "women-only" categories is sufficient but I do not believe it is because most people use mobile devices to acces WP (I seem to remember a figure of 80% but I can't find that reference) and on my Android I cannot see the categories unless I switch to the desktop version. Also the fact that there are women-only categories seems contentious to me and maybe one day they will be merged. I'll be honest I really don't mind them removing pronouns so long as there is no doubt that the article is about a woman because I believe this is important to closing the gender gap. If this were just a couple of articles it wouldn't really matter but this editor is very very prolific, they have created 170 articles following this meetup
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was added in the first place was because there seemed to be confusion about what type of abuse Wood is talking about. Initially, the name of the section was 'Sexual assaults', even though the allegations that Wood makes include other violence and abuse as well. I do agree that the paragraph is getting long, but if you actually look at the content of it, not a lot of it is on the actual allegations. Hopefully with the current criminal investigation there will be even better grounds for having a long section on this (or even a separate article if there are criminal charges like in the Weinstein and Cosby cases). However, why I am concerned for the article is more because of the content that is being added repeatedly. It is unsourced and seems to have the sole purpose of making Wood seem bad. Thank you for responding!
909:. That matters, because my argument against "gender is irrelevant to their notability" was going to be "yes, but it's very likely quite important to their lives, and these are supposed to be biographies, so leaving that out is like leaving out where they were born, grew up, went to school, married, etc., all things that we put in that likely don't really affect their notability but are presumably quite important to them as people." Unfortunately these articles are so short that they don't say where these women were born, grew up, went to school, etc! So that kind of falls flat. I'd support writing their gender explicitly, but the argument "we should do it for the WikiProject" isn't really policy or guideline. If we can't convince him, I think we'll have to do it. I'll come to his talk page and see if I can help. -- 206:, "Modska", for most of its text. But there is a reason, which is that the source is really writing about his friends, and that was what they called him. That is one of the arguments SchroCat is using to defend the usage of Josephine, that biographies call her by first name. However, despite request, SchroCat isn't giving specific examples of just how those biographies do that, so I suspect it might be context specific, such as when talking about her interactions with her very close friends, or in talking about other people with the same last name. SchroCat, any chance of giving specific examples from the biographies you mention, so we can judge context? It would strengthen your case noticeably. -- 3185:
news articles on that day seem to discuss their allegations jointly, i.e. she was one in a group of people naming MM. Since then 4 or 5 other women have also come out. So some type of mention that this is several women rather than just Wood making these allegations would I think be warranted. I think it could perhaps also be mentioned that at least three public representatives in three different states have also called for an investigation on Manson. However, I anticipate that this case may actually lead to criminal charges and at that stage may warrant its own article, so of course the state representatives' calls for investigation may be best left until that.
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have not held a highest level admin post. All the other criteria need strong sources to show they meet them. I believe flooding WP with articles about non notable women is actually damaging to the idea of closing the gender gap. The aim is not just to have more articles on women but to create the articles about notable women. A good number of your creations will end up getting sent to Afd and because you have identified them as being created following a meetup this will discredit the work done by the members.
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childhood, but their articles do not start with the section titled Mental Health. I am yet to see another article on a well-known person (not a mental health advocate) that begins with the section titled Mental Health. However, if it exists, it doesn't appear objective. Please provide your inputs if you are interested to discuss this in her "talk" page.
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Hmmm, are you referring to the part that the fly-by keeps removing? I'd argue that since it comes from her testimonies at the Senate and State hearings, and doesn't directly state Manson's name in that paragraph, there's grounds for keeping it. I've tried to keep it as general as possible, but why it
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case. Why I started doing this was because I noticed that whenever there's a woman who goes public with abuse allegations, the related WP articles seem to not represent the cases in a neutral way, but instead are often biased towards the person that is alleged to have been the abusive party. The line
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We would like to invite you to a quick interview to share your thoughts about gender gaps on Knowledge and the current efforts, as well as potential solutions to them. It would only take about 30 minutes over phone or video chat. We will send you a $ 15 Amazon gift card as a way to thank you for your
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you will have to admit that it is pretty poor. It is missing all the basic information that one would expect in an article about a notable person DOB early life place of birth etc. The lack of this kind of info shows one of 2 things a: this a quick stub article from an inexperienced or lazy editor or
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Ok. Not convinced but says he won't revert us if we do it. Looks like we have two choices: edit the articles ourselves to put in "she", or make it so he can't make more articles. To me, the choice seems obvious, his contributions are valuable. If no one else will do it, I can take a pronoun-fix pass
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The major question is whether there is enough, and good enough, info on her for an article. The outing question is probably second hand outing - if she only outed herself because she was afraid others would soon do it .... Is the info on her good enough? Since she is the only person saying for sure
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It is not a !voting proposal or RfC, but a discussion draft, and has already had some constructive feedback (e.g. leading with "ghettoization" of articles was a distraction, as were suggesting statistical differences and reasons for them without providing sources). Seeking input on the overall idea.
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Apologies if this is a bit rambling, but I guess I'm here to seek peer support and advice? Is there any type of Manual of Style for these types of cases? It would be great to discuss these issues with others as I often feel like the only editor trying to fight this bias in these articles, but I know
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which, while it contains language about respecting the diversity of community members and condemning hate speech that appears in vandalism, does not appear to prohibit or otherwise mention racism, sexism, homophobia, or other forms of prejudice outside of vandalism and direct insults (in the English
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are you basing the creation of these articles on? They are almost all identical in structure and most have not received a highly prestigious honour and do not have named chair positions most of those that are fellows are of societies that do not reserve that position as a highly selective honour and
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Yes, I can: your behaviour has fallen a long way short of that expected of an administrator. Your attitude of shrugging off valid comments about your approach is disgusting, and your continued misrepresentation of other people's views, hyperbole and untruthful statements are utterly dishonourable. I
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I understand that, but I think it should at least somehow be mentioned that Wood isn't the only one making these claims, she is part of a group of women making them. Now, it appears as if she alone is making them. I don't think any further detail needs to be added, just a mention that several other
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The problem is when a large section of an article about person A becomes about person B. For example, that at least three public representatives in three different states have called for an investigation into Manson has nothing to do with Wood's bio. I think anything resembling a coatrack should be
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Ok, now it looks much better! Thank you! :) I think the only thing that needs to be mentioned somehow is the fact that Wood isn't the only person making these allegations. On Feb 1, when she first named MM, four other women did so too, Wood just happens to be the only one with celebrity status. The
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closes on October 7, after which the drafting committee will submit its recommendation to the Wikimedia Board of Trustees, so I am placing this message in this talk page in the hopes of ensuring that editors who can comment constructively on the absence of language providing guidance on non-insult,
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b) trying to gather some data on deleted pages. My thought here is to look at a sample of AFD logs - it turns out to be reasonably straightforward to get a sense of how many articles on a given day were BLPs and their gender (even if deleted, it's usually apparent). We can't get age information, so
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On viewing the article, I raised some disagreements about the lede, so I have an involvement and a bias here. Anyway, another section of the lede says that she "then parlayed her Playboy fame into a television and film acting career starting as a co-host on..." -- the lede then mentions the TV show
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No edit warring whatsoever and they have stated twice that they will not edit war over it and maybe disruptive if too strong a word. It seems to be a personal choice on their part but as I tried to explain that when removing the gender pronouns for quite a few of the articles I have mentioned above
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who has been doing sterling work in closing the gap. They have created a large number of articles on NZ women in science and since the begining of this year has been starting the articles with a phrase such as "They are currently a full professor at the Lincoln University" and then used the pronoun
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We don't have an article on her, as the red color of your link indicates. Are you asking whether we should start a separate article on her? From a quick web search it seems she's only gotten serious coverage in the context of that spreadsheet, and it's highly controversial (she may have lost one or
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Hi everyone I wondered if the insertion of DOB for women may present a form of gender imbalance in that women are more likely than men to be the victims of ageism and accompanying discrimination, and may prefer not to have their ages registered on wikipedia? Is there any option for the subjects of
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looking at deleted page titles and inferring gender from the name (ie if it's called "Susan Smith", probably a man, etc). This doesn't distinguish between BLPs and "historic" biographies, and it could only infer gender for about 2/3 of people, but of the deleted gendered articles, ~23% are female.
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suggests - I've just pulled down data for BLPs which WD thinks are "athletes" (414k, a little under half the BLPs, 16% F) and "politicians" (96k, 24% F), and will report back if they substantially differ from the general set. I'll also investigate if we can gather comparable data for non-BLPs (for
1977:. I believe this is reasonable, and while it's always going to be imperfect, it's fine as long as the error rates are about equal by gender. I don't see any obvious reason they wouldn't be, but this is something I'm a bit cautious over and would be keen to hear any obvious issues I may have missed. 1097:. Maybe it is a case of needing to take a little more time in creating decent articles about really notable people rather than creating an article on every single full professor that is a woman. It's a shame that he hasn't taken note of the different remarks and is continuing his style of writing. 1837:: Thanks for this interesting research. It looks to me as if your work on BLPs is pretty reliable, despite the minor problems you mention. The results are generally encouraging as they indicate an overall improvement over the years in the ratio of female to male BLPs. As has been suggested on the 808:
My main concern over and above the grammar question is that by removing the female pronouns we are lessening the impact on closing the gap. Quite a few of the articles created by Stuartyeates are for NZ female academics that do not have easily gender-identifiable names for the majority of readers
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First of all, I want to apologise if this is not the right forum to write this, but I am hoping to find support and more information. I'm a longtime editor but used to focus more on old (pre-1960s) pop culture/art articles. In the recent years, I've also 'branched out' to more recent pop culture
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Thanks for the reply. Like I said there is no edit warring and Stuart's intentions are more than honorable but it just felt wrong that these women were having their gender hidden from readers. It made me think if it were me or anyone I knew I would not want someone taking that away unless it had
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and gender neutral language is suggested for generic subjects such as job titles but nothing is mentioned about specific people. I am worried that by systematically removing gender from articles about women we are being counter-productive in closing the gender gap. Does anyone have an opinion on
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If any admins read this forum, please take a look at the Evan Rachel Wood article, it's currently experiencing quite a bit of vandalism from IPs, and most likely this will continue. Likewise, if anyone can advise how to get in touch with an admin/how to go about temporarily restricting edits by
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Greta Thunberg's article starts with the Mental Health section. There is a discussion about whether it is appropriate, as the typical WP pattern for health disclosure is at the end of the article under the Health Section. Many prominent male figures had mental conditions that began to appear in
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Examples: the main editor of Manson's WP articles adding a section about Wood stating that Kobe Bryant was a rapist and wording it in a way that was misleading and deliberately made Wood look bad; the same user disputing Wood's statement that she was underage in an image and thus deleting this
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I would be interested in whether those reading this noticeboard consider this wording regarding a female actor to be helpful in bridging the gender gap, how we encourage female editors and how we write about female subjects. Do male actors "parlay" fame in one field into paying jobs in related
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Mathers, Helen (2014). Patron Saint of Prostitutes: Josephine Butler and the Victorian Sex Scandal. Stroud, Gloucestershire: The History Press. ISBN 978-0-7524-9209-4, where the subject is referred to as "Josephine" throughout Not context specific, in other words. While some people may wish to
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Thanks for the note. I can see both sides here - it's an important part of her early life, which is naturally the first section of the article, and it does naturally flow into the discussion of the activism, yet, yes, it does tend to throw shade at it. I think your suggestion of removing the
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There have been questions recently about whether existing BLPs about women (BLPs that have not been deleted) were more likely to have been taken to AfD at some point. Andrew thinks that used to be true, but that things have recently levelled off. He wrote: "Female BLPs created 2009-16 appear
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I am pretty sure that if this is taken to ANI there is a very good chance that the community will decide that you have to go through AFC for all the articles that you create. This has already happened for an editor that was creating aalarge number of stub articles that were ending up at afd.
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Let's be clear here, that I've never reverted let alone edit warred over this and only used it in articles where I am the only editor involved, either in the first edit or immediately afterwards cleaning up loose ends. A number of these articles have been tagged for notability, of these only
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I'd worry. We can't write a biography about someone who is only famous for one highly controversial spreadsheet mostly written by other people, her life is much more than that, it would give a very distorted picture, and quite possibly do harm. We could, in theory, write an article about the
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As a New pages patroller I'll also keep an eye on his articles now that his autopatrolled right has been revoked. This is just as well because I've come across a couple of other problems, errors in the bibliography and some editorialising and an awful lot of articles that don't ledon't leet
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Totally understandable, am so tired myself :( I think the Heard one is in pretty ok shape at the moment, and is now more protected, but the Depp article still has the same poorly sourced claims in there, so I would suggest focusing on that instead if/when you have time. Again, thank you!
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apparently more likely to survive deletion nominations, which we'd suspected from the earlier data. The actual deletion rate is still a bit higher than for men, but much closer to the overall average (assuming that recently-AFDed academics are likely to be BLPs, which seems generally
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I’m with a group of researchers working on using Artificial Intelligence (AI) tools to promote gender diversity in Knowledge contents and thus to close the gender gap. We want to make sure you, as an important member of the community, can be heard as we build and refine these AIs.
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What is the sex/gender ratio of BLPs at the point of creation, i.e. how many male and how many female BLPs have ever been created, regardless of current BLP or deletion status? (I'm sticking with male and female for now because the numbers outside these values are apparently very
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and goes on to list a series of other TV shows, numerous movies in which she was an actor, etc. From my limited understanding, there is no sourced content in the article linking her subsequent acting career as having been launched due to her initial (nude) modelling career.
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It's evidence for your argument, no doubt. And we should certainly provide pleasurable reading where possible, but I do think that as an encyclopedia, if we have to choose, we should be academic. In any case the Josephine Butler talk page seems to be reaching consensus.
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From my data, ~23% of current BLPs are female, and ~26% of those with an associated past AFD are female. A lot to chew on here, but the numbers are all broadly in the same ballpark, and it provisionally suggests deletion follows nomination at about an even rate.
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about whether we need to add something to the policy about this kind of situation. The policy was written before Me Too. It didn't foresee so many serious allegations against public figures, some of them relatively minor public figures. We need extra guidance.
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The Anti-Harassment Tools team plans to generate baseline data to determine the effectiveness of blocks and we'd like to hear from users who interact with blocked users and participate in the blocking process to make sure these measurements will be meaningful.
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I think we should all be cheered by the headline figure that the proportion of female BLPs has been systematically outperforming the long-term average since 2012. It's taking some time to move the overall ratio, but that is definitely slowly being dragged
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GRuban, thanks for doing that. Domdeparis, I've wondered about the notability aspect too. They don't seem notable to me, the sourcing is poor, and it raises the question as to whether they would want a bio, given that they're entirely private individuals.
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To be honest, I'm not totally sure that reporting the percentage of women, men, gay, straight, lesbian or transgender volunteers is necessarily all that interesting. A sourced quote from the commander of the US contingent would certainly be good
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is that it's being used as a coatrack for serious allegations against a public figure (a BLP). We're allowed to publish such allegations if there is sufficiently strong sourcing, but I wonder whether there is in this case, and at such length.
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for deletion. The reasons for deletion intersect with the goals of this WikiProject, with the template being claimed to embody a bias against people of certain genders. The corresponding discussion may thus be of interest to this task force.
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If you decide to participate, your opinion could help build the future of Knowledge. Hope to talk to you soon! Reply to this message here or send me an email at bowen-yu@umn.edu and I can share more info and plan a time to connect.
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noticeably more likely than male BLPs of equivalent age to have been through a deletion discussion at some point in their lives (and, presumably, all have been kept). Since 2016, this has changed and the two groups are about even."
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While we read that Wenbo has already been sentenced for this offence, we will now consider the position from our sport's disciplinary perspective. Again, we are extremely disappointed to read this news today." (also reported on
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comments on the other page). I think it would take about ten or twenty person-hours to get some decent data on this - if people are willing to volunteer a bit of time for this, let me know and I'll set something up to gather
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raised, "politicians" (10% of BLPs) are about normal (24% F). The same sort of patterns as for overall BLPs - female articles are very slightly longer, and they are slightly more likely to have survived a previous deletion
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will increase or decrease systemic bias in articles. How will we know if partial blocks increases of decreases the ability of women or people who identify as binary to add relevant content to Knowledge articles? Talk to us
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I don't know whether the above is possible, and if so how much work it would entail. If it's a lot, perhaps we should consider paying the person who compiles the figures. I'd certainly be willing to contribute to that.
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Today is the second new moon of spring. We don't know this, because they refuse to feature this kind of content on the main page, accusing people like me of POV promoting a lunar religion, and suggesting that I'm
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that she wrote the spreadsheet and others only report that she's written that she wrote the spreadsheet, is that good enough? But I'm not really worried about BLP1E - single events can be enough to justify a BLP.
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So on the basis of that very cursory sample, the total number of "no longer a BLP" is rising pretty steadily but is outstripped by the overall BLP growth. (I'm assuming that articles created during the year are
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The other editor (an admin) has changed it to a sub-section within "personal life" on the grounds that it is a "bit crazy for a full section" and removed it from the lead as "a bit heavy handed for a lede".
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I agree that it may be a good idea to develop some sort of style guide etc. for how these types of allegations should be handled, they are tricky. I will be happy to contribute my thoughts if needed!
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The academic career section mentions her PhD thesis and the fact that she is a full professor on staff and that is it. You really can't pretend that this shows that she meets NACADEMIC can you?
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Then you do not understand what an encyclopaedia is, regardless of the unthinking and inflexible comments on the talk page, which have a narrow interpretation of what the MoS is (or is for). -
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unbalanced list of notable leagues at the time of creation - and have since been removed but that's probably irrelevant here. Basically, many of the articles need improved referencing to meet
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Thank you for your response! It would be very helpful if you'd be available for an interview with us. Your suggestions will be very important for us which will guide the design of our system!
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it won't perfectly line up, but it does let us get some aggregate data on relative nomination/deletion rates and will also confirm if there was really a substantive change in ~2017/18 (cf
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Perhaps you could add a sourced quote from the commander of the U.S. contingent or information concerning which of the people involved in the rescue were transgender or non-binary.
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An editor is nominating numerous articles about women footballers / soccer players who have played in top leagues in France and Sweden. The leagues most likely were included on
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In the lead you mix up "is" and "are", you can't remove the pronoun and leave "are". There is a single source that is affiliated and you haven't taken the time to fill it in.
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Sorry, not clear what you are asking. Moira Donegan seems to be a journalist who started a public access spreadsheet that could be used to accuse people of sexual harassment.
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including stories by NPR and the NY Times and by MD herself. There was a fear of outing expressed by her, but that boat seems to have left the dock. Any feedback welcomed.
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Since my original post above, there has been the addition of mention of a female head of state in the article, so this is progress in the right direction. More to follow.
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specifically requested by the subject. Just because they are notable for something that has nothing to do with their gender doesn't make their gender irrelevant to them.
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I know people are going to say discuss it / start a conversation on the talk page, but I really don't want to get into it, someone else will have to pick up the banner.
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Are you curious about what tools are effective in reaching Women in Red’s goals? Are you interested in contributing to the building of scalable solutions for closing
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I've tightened the Wood section further, added the other women, and added a "further information" link to the abuse allegations section of the Manson article. See
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How many articles on the English Knowledge were BLPs when they were created, regardless of whether they are BLPs now, and regardless of whether they were deleted?
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spreadsheet, but I'm not sure it's gotten sufficient coverage on its own, it would be like writing an article about a news article about the Weinstein effect. --
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For "athletes", however (46% of BLPs!), the numbers are very different. They are more skewed male (15.6%), though the situation is improving over time, and
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Second, is there a wider gender gap problem in speleology and related emergency rescue procedures? If so, is there anything that we can do to fix this?
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A remarkable song in its own way. It's been banned on a few radio stations and it looks like a national controversy. Please see the talk page there.
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where there's an issue about naming; the article (which is currently a FA) refers to its female subject by her first name throughout "for simplicity".
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Thank you so much Sarah, looks like your comment and itemizing the options opened the support floodgates. When I grow up, I want to be just like you!
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I'm not going to be the one that nominates them for deletion! Yes, they're mostly cookie-cutter articles, many with the exact same three sentences:
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articles to request that their age is occluded, for this reason? My apologies if this has already been debated. Many thanks and cheers,
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was not backed up by any sources used because "they" is usually reserved for specific people that do not identify with binary as per
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I "feminized" (a better short description would be welcome!) Stuart's last month of new articles. Maybe half already had "she". --
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I am glad that you consider me an important member of the community. Please could you tell me how you decided on my importance?
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version, at least.) It does concern itself with, for example, defining repeated sarcasm as a form of harassment. In the
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which read. "We (the WPBSA) were not aware of this incident and are very disappointed to read of such matters.
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I'm struggling to think of any articles on male subjects which follow a similar practice. Any input is welcome.
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about a living person who is also female. She's an actor, model, television host, author, and screenwriter.
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Are you? Can you think of any though? I've struck the last sentence since it seems to offend two of you. --
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I have not enclosed the section title in quotation marks only because that sometimes causes problems.
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Just stumbling on to this page (didn't know it existed), and this is such fascinating stuff to read,
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and participate in deletion discussion if there is one, it is most appreciated. Here's the list:
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There is a BLPN thread concerning one of the women who has accused Donald Trump of rape,
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Definitely - I'll keep chipping away at this and bundle it all up into a second post.
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once people realize the implications and start clearing out the stub biographies. ‑
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question #3, which I think is the key to really understanding what's going on.
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Many thanks for your reply GorillaWarfare - will take a look - cheers
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reverted / watered down. Wenbo was convicted of assault on a woman (
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these are all good points. I didn't know that about sports people.
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unregistered editors to the article, that would be wonderful!
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Update he has now been suspended from the snooker tour.
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has been relisted today to try to get some comments. --
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