1782:-2021. • Current Men’s Golf Olympic Gold Medalist (one-year only). • The top 50 players from the Official World Golf Ranking through The Honda Classic (Monday, February 28, 2022). • The top 10 players from the 2021-22 FedExCup Points List through The Honda Classic. • The winner of the previous year’s Bridgestone SENIOR PLAYERS Championship. • The leading points winner from the 2020-21 Top 25 Korn Ferry Tour Regular Season Points List and points earned in the Korn Ferry Tour Finals and the leading points winner from the 2021 Korn Ferry Tour Finals. • If necessary to complete a field of 144 players, PGA TOUR members from the 2021-22 FedExCup Points List below 10th position though The Honda Classic (February 28, 2022), in order of their positions on such list.
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rating" which is the total number of points to be allocated to all the players (although it might be slightly different, eg if more players make the cut). The winner gets about 17% of this, although again this will vary a little depending on the minimum number making the cut. I'm assuming that we'll be adding the winner's points to our tables. Adding the "field rating" would be an option although it is not at all comparable to the old numbers and might be a confusing thing to add mid-season. Either way our OWGR headers in these table ought to say what we're doing.
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while logged-out) – those changes clearly did not have consensus and should probably be reverted. As can be seen everywhere, df has high regard for their own opinion and very little regard for verifiability. I will also say this: if the sub-section is staying in the pro wins section, the entire discussion is pointless and they should all just remain within "other wins"; i.e. it only makes sense to split them out if they are not being counted as pro wins. To me, it makes little sense to include things like
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1960s/1970s (its wiki page says 1929) and the tour did some serious historical revisionism in the late 1980s retroactively counting a lot of early events as PGA Tour-level. So these tournaments may have been in fact a bunch of unrelated, isolated events that were only retroactively given PGA Tour status until the late 1980s. This all may be misleading to the reader. I don't know much about early 20th century golf, however, and would like to hear other thoughts.
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109:. Couples seems to have won more of these events than any golfer I have heard of so I thought it would be a good place to start. However, I know this is a new category that doesn't seem to be firmly defined yet. Other members may have some issue with some of the events I deemed to be an "exhibition" so I am bringing it up here. If anyone would like to make revisions to his page please do so.
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exhibition is sort of obvious. To me, when it is a standalone event, it is usually a small event, usually with only a handful of golfers, usually pretty famous, and it is often made-for-TV. They are first and foremost "exhibiting" their great talents to the audience and the competitive aspect seems secondary. Some other times it is before the tournament proper (sort of like a pro-am).
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inclusion/exclusion from pro wins (I'm guessing this is what you're really angling for, since merely splitting from other wins would be pointless); for example, many sources describe small field invitation tournaments such as the Hero as exhibitions. I'm pretty sure I've seen World Cups and early
Masters Tournaments described this way too, particularly in contemporary sources.
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other respected sports broadcasters referencing the above event the Taylor Made
Driving Relief as a charity exhibition event. I can add links to support. I would like the TaylorMade Driving Relief removed from the professional wins section as it is clearly defined as a charity exhibition. Rather like "The Match" which is much the same with it's two man team exhibition format
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articles. But as noted here the events were retroactively considered PGA Tour events, the date of the start of the tour is debatable and the tour's record-keeping is somewhat shoddy so sourcing these articles is difficult and would agree
Kronish Sports is not an ideal source. Would not be opposed to their deletion if that is the consensus.
1754:• Winners of PGA TOUR cosponsored or approved tournaments, whose victories are considered official since the last played PLAYERS Championship. • The top 125 players from the 2020-21 FedExCup Points List. • Winners of the Masters Tournament from the years 2017-2021. • Winners of THE PLAYERS Championship and The Open Championship from
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The fine detail of the new system is difficult to work out, but the one area that is (relatively) clear is the way the "field ranking" converts to the points the players get. The "field ranking" is meant to be total number of points allocated to all the players in the event. The system is broadly the
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The trouble is that WP:DATELIST is so ambiguous and poorly written, that basing policy on it, is never going to work, even ignoring the fact that it was never discussed before being added to the MOS. If you want all chronological lists to be in forward order I suggest a properly discussed addition to
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Yes, that's an example of how to create a timeline using templates here on
Knowledge, but chronological lists can also be tabulated. If you're excluding tables from being chronological lists just because they don't fit your narrow interpretation of the MOS, then I think you're being incredibly dense.
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There's no rush to change them all. I changed this one because I was researching the tournament for work and noticed it was "wrong". I'm not sure "readers would be most interested in the recent tournaments" is a good enough reason to fly in the face of the MOS, no matter how much disdain you have for
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edition played on the
Stadium Course at TPC Sawgrass". This was then changed back. Don't know what other RS say, but the media guide agrees with it being the 40th (see page 132) and that the 2020 Players was "cancelled". This means 2020 edition is not counted, and so for instance Matsuyama's round of
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Wow - thank you very much for the responses. This changes my whole perception of the conversation. I had no idea that the "Exhibition Wins" and "Challenge
Matches" subcategories were pretty much singularly created by individual dictate (and a vandal at that) and not consensus. Given this information,
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I know
Couples is considered to be the 'King of the Silly Season' but I don't really know what wins you would consider as exhibitions and what wins are professional victories. His PGA Tour profile lists all of these wins as 'Additional victories' but it is a real grey area trying to categorize events
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has been published. The winners' table is clearly incomplete; if anyone has any missing information please add it. In addition, I have very little specific information about the event after it transformed into a more "amateur" event in the mid-1970s. If anyone has anything valuable please publish it
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It's clear that the golf tables are not "Timelines". So common sense would tell us that WP:DATELIST, which directs to a section called "Timelines", does not apply to the golf tables. Anyway this whole discussion demonstrates that basing any actions on the last sentence in this section would not be a
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Agree 100%. It came up awhile back in the snooker area. Someone added "Mark" (I think) since both players were called Mark. Interestingly the same editors who add the flags for future rounds thought that adding "Mark" was "silly", but for some reason couldn't see the inconsistency in their argument.
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Yep, the media guide is the better source and we should follow that. For information, in addition to the source given in the article (which obviously has the criteria in the wrong order), I also used a 3rd party news article but that in hindsight was possibly (probably) extrapolated from criteria in
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Although the field ranking reduced to 390.66675 (because of late withdrawals) the 5.8142 ratio remained the same, so 390.66675/5.8142=67.19183 to the winner. Those below 65th got 1.28%,1.24%,1.20%,1.16% and so the total points given out was actually 393.94536 (ie 4.88%*67.19183=3.27896 more than it
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In general though it just seems extremely rare that pro golfers officially retire from the sport. Again, I cannot recall a single retirement ceremony for a golfer. In women's golf it may be a little more common there because some formally retire to have children. But even there it still seems rare.
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from 2018 where the poster finishes with "It would be helpful for this MOS page either to state this latitude for lists within articles, or to rule it out more clearly if reverse-chronological order is no longer acceptable". Seems to me that it's you who's seeing this sentence as crystal clear when
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Most men's majors back to about 1980 have these, but in earlier years usage is more haphazard (the earliest is in the 1936 Open). Personally I don't find these at all useful and the style is dominating relative to its importance. Succession boxes were popular in the early days of
Knowledge but have
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Yeah, the results module doesn't really lend itself to matchplay golf – it's more suited to simple scorelines. I'd have liked to just have one set of results in the matrix, as it's a single round-robin, but I couldn't manage to make it so it was clear who won without a mass of explanatory text. The
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Dropping wins of
Caribbean or Latin America wins is one thing, but missing high profile wins or playoff losses like the Hope or Crosby tournaments are ridiculous. An early 90's PGA Tour guide book (I think they are all available online now.) was riddled with playoff record mistakes. Not one or two,
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The PGA Tour as a reliable source makes me want to laugh sometimes. A few years ago as noted on this page, Billy Casper's win total had dropped from 51 to 48 and his playoff record from 8-8 to 8-7. Well, his 3 missing wins (Two of them the Bob Hope Desert
Classic) are back but his 1968 playoff loss
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I have updated the criteria & exemptions in our article per the media guide, but haven't reordered them. While doing it I remembered that Stenson was not originally in the field when it was announced, only for him to be added a few hours later when he was apparently still eligible from his 2016
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On page 7 they list the full "1972 Tour Schedule" which includes all of the "official events" for that year's PGA Tour as well as a number of minor events (e.g. Little Crosby Pro-Am, Mini-Nelson Satellite, Caribbean Tour events). I was thinking about adding all of these minor events to our seasonal
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At first glance, it certainly needs a heavy duty scythe taking to it. All needs to be consolidated into two or three paragraphs about each of amateur and pro careers. Her junior career, in particular, is far too detailed and includes local and club competitions that are not really worthy of mention
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No it is actually the host broadcaster Sky Sports who actually co-sanctioned and co hosted the event with the PGA. They called it an exhibition event. So i think in fairness they would know what type of tournament they were showing wouldn't you agree ?. I have a link to prove this I have more from
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However, I implied at the very bottom of this talk page that if a pro golfer won any event that was covered by the national newspapers ("a reliable third-party source") it should be included in Professional Wins section. Therefore, I think these "exhibition wins" (or whatever you want to call them)
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To me, an "exhibition" is generally a non-competitive affair where pros are principally showing off their skills for a (paying) audience, who may even participate at some point, with little regard for their score. In days gone by, with paltry tournament prizes, many pros made their living this way.
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With the update of the OWGR website and new points system, they seem to be calculating 1st place points up to 5 decimal points. My question is in terms of displaying points in tour schedule pages: are we best to summarise the points to either a) nearest whole number, b) maybe 2/3 decimal points. I
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My own issue here is that it's so ill-defined. Ochoa retired in 2010 but "made a limited return to competitive golf in 2012", although we still have 2010 in the infobox. Bobby Jones retired in 1930 but played in the Masters after that for many years. Unless we can firm up on what it actually means
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Most importantly, I am not sure if the tournament is notable enough. On Trove, you can find a lot of stuff on the event during Bennetts career, from the mid- to late-1970s. But that's about it. A lot of top Australian golfers played during this era but I'm not sure about before or after. If anyone
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only applies to list articles. The page WP:DATELIST appears on just talks about lists in general. But all that is beside the real point, which is, what is the benefit of ordering the list in reverse, and do any benefits outweigh the consistency that would be brought by having all lists in the same
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I've removed them all from the men and women's majors. Not done the seniors as yet. I've created a new navbox for the women's majors along the lines of the long-standing men's one (above). Personally I think this gives more useful navigation that the succession boxes; seems to me that readers will
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I have changed this navbox so that it is "auto-expanded" (you might need to "purge" to see it auto-expanded) and it seems to me that the succession boxes largely duplicate this navbox. My proposal is that we remove the succession boxes. Currently we don't have an equivalent navbox for the women or
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I aslo find the find line of the PGA Tour pages dubious e.g. "The 2021–22 PGA Tour is the 107th season of the PGA Tour, and the 55th since separating from the PGA of America." The first year of the PGA Tour seems a bit ambiguous to me, and something perhaps that shouldn't be included in the intro.
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Given the information, I think we should get rid of it. This retirement date line doesn't seem particularly applicable to golf. Golfers can play golf forever and rarely formally retire. (I have never heard of a golfer holding a retirement ceremony.) I suspect this parameter exists within the golf
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I've cobbled something together. Needs a bit of tuning. 1. Do we need the tables to be a consistent width? 2. Does someone lose 1 up or lose 1 down or even lose by 1 hole? 3. How to handle Casey's CON. Perhaps a footnote would be better. 4. I haven't bothered at this stage with ties for position.
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As there are only three games, I'd be tempted to get rid of separate tables and combine them. i.e. instead of a W D L column have Game 1, Game 2, Game 3. So Robert MacIntyre's columns would be "Tied vs DJ", "Won vs KN (2 & 1)", "Tied vs AL", and then the points column of "2". That is assuming
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Unfortunately, the earlier discussion was never closed after I suggested a possible conclusion. The fact exhibition sub-sections have popped-up on some (but not all) articles (and not been reverted) is most likely simple avoidance of further disruptive edit-warring by DooksFoley147 (almost always
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For an event to qualify as an "exhibition win" on Knowledge do we need reliable third-party sources for each event that specifically references "exhibition"? Just browsing the internet now, it looks like many of the skins games are referred to as exhibitions in newspaper reports. I don't think it
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Point of clarification: In the old system there was a "strength of field" (which no one talked about) which was converted into an event ranking which was what the winner got (and which was the number commonly talked about). The others got 60%, 40% etc of this. In the new system there is a "field
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with no discussion and the edit summary "OK, this may seem obvious, but adding that timelines should be earliest-to-latest chronological order (e.g. WP:SALORDER) - WP:CHRONO should specifically mention this as well." which seems to imply that the sentence was only intended to apply to timelines.
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Here we go 1- Much of the sections on her golfing from 2005 to 2015 is unreferenced. 2- There is a unreferenced mention of her winning a tournament in Windsor but the win isn't in her pro wins sections. 3- Do we need this much detail in an article. She was the top amateur and has 3 professional
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Well it looks like The match were exhibition events after all and not added as Other wins on players resumes. I have found nearly 20 third party sources that list the TaylorMade Driving Relief as an exhibition event. How many do I need to add here to get it removed from the Other wins section ?.
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for the events. I'd have thought that 2 decimal places was more than sufficient (eg 68.55). I guess we ought to follow what reliable source do, but currently we've no indication there and maybe we've got to lead not follow, at least for a short while. I'm planning a rewrite of the OWGR article,
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is about the tournament from 1956 to 1988 but there were other tournaments by that name before World War Two. Some editors tried to edit the old tournaments into the 56 tournament history. That pretty much ended after I put a reference into the article saying the inaugural event was 1956. I did
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In the infobox, there is a "Retired" date line. I wasn't sure to use the date they retire as a touring professional or as a club professional. The infobox seems to focus far more on tournament golf however they don't usually fully retire from the golf industry until the club pro work stops. Any
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from 2018 which notes earlier discussions. "However, the linked page is specifically for stand-alone lists" "The words "such as timelines" could be interpreted as limiting the rule to stand-alone lists." And why is WP:DATELIST in a section called "Timelines" if it applies to all lists, not just
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As the creator of the early "PGA Tour" articles regarding the 1910s and 1920s, I agree with most of the commenters here. There are well-sourced Knowledge pages for the tournaments and golfers of the period and I thought these pages would match the style guidelines of the current PGA Tour season
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Most importantly, though, I think these pages may be examples of original research. Basically, these pages seem to imply that each year there was a discrete unit of events under the auspices of some coherent tour. I'm not necessarily sure of that. An independent PGA Tour did not exist until the
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Nobody including the PGA Tour or any other site are including wins in "The Match" or the Taylor made driving for relief as professional Wins. They are classed as exhibition Wins sourced by Sky Sports who covered the the Taylormade event, and I ask you to check out a BBC article on the Brookes v
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I wasn't really involved in the original discussion from this summer so I don't know much about it. I will definitely defer to consensus though. However, I have noticed that "Exhibition Wins" was defined as a legitimate category on Knowledge - at least within the "Professional Wins" sections of
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Sources use both and I have little personal preference for either. However, I think most readers would probably be looking to see the most recent first, especially for current tournaments. Most of all though, I'm unconvinced that there is a compelling reason to change (even if it is agreed the
5307:, the consensus of a small group such as this WikiProject cannot override the wider consensus that resulted in the creation of the MOS as it exists. If you disagree with the MOS, perhaps a discussion should happen there about adding some exceptions to it, but until then it should be followed.
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I have a few things to say. At one end, I'm a bit surprised there is so much confusion about the definition of an "exhibition." I've been familiar with the word in reference to minor golf (and tennis) tournaments since I was a little boy and to me, at least instinctively, the idea of what an
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same as previously except that points are now allocated to all those who make the cut. As an example for the St Jude this week the field ranking is 398.58063 and the cut is 65 and ties. They're still using the old percentages (100 for 1st, 60 for 2nd, 40 for 3rd, ... 2.5 for 50th etc - see
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Is anyone able to provide reliable sources that discuss "exhibition" status of events and/or a list of what does and doesn't qualify as one? If not, we shouldn't be inventing such a categorisation and arbitrarily deciding what goes in it. Also, are these events actually being included as
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How many of these sources define what is meant by "exhibition"? I'd guess none. You need to look at this holistically instead of crusading against the inclusion of one or two events. Using the criteria "widely described as an exhibition (by RS)" would be a terrible means of determining
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I'm not sure what you mean by "not a 'list' in the sense intended at MOS:LIST". And yes, I too remember there was a provision for lists being displayed in reverse order, but I don't seem to be able to find that in any MOS guidelines any more, so I assume it's been deprecated. –
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Unfortunately when people keep bringing up irrelevant guidelines, it behoves me to restate the case. And yet again, what is the point of the MOS if not for it to be followed? If you think the MOS is wrong or needs exceptions applying to it, take it up on the MOS talk page. –
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The PGA Championship really doesn't mesh well with Knowledge guidelines. It's obvious that they invite the top 100 (and a bit beyond), usually at two different cutoff dates, and invite the Ryder Cup captains. But until they make those official categories, our hands are tied.
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Do they list all such events, or just those the tour has an interest in, or just recent ones, or just for players who have (or their agents have) lobbied to get them included (like Snead used to)? For example, widely reported challenge matches from earlier eras, e.g.
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You seem to be implying that "Professional wins" and "Exhibition wins" are mutually exclusive categories. I don't think so. We already started putting the "Exhibition wins" subheading within the "Professional wins" section. (We started doing this with the pages of
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at the time, which clearly states that chronological lists should be presented with the earliest entry at the top. No exceptions are given for that, and no actual rationale was given for going against it either. The only arguments I saw were tantamount to
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Side note: I am vehemently opposed to putting flags in the next round of the bracket before the player is determined. To me that seems about as useful as putting "Kevin" in the next round of the bracket if Kevin Na and Kevin Kisner are playing each other.
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Without checking, I thought "challenge matches" (as opposed to tournaments) was the distinction that we were making. An "exhibition" match/event is not something we cannot adequately define as we do not have reliable sources to say what is and isn't one.
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that says that Vines won in 1973. I believe your information and used your date (these newspaper reports from the era make little mistakes all the time). However, if you have a third-party source for Vines' second win (e.g. McCormack) that would be
6893:. I was shocked and somewhat saddened it was him. He is one of our best contributors and has helped me out a lot. However, I have been planning to propose these pages for deletion for awhile so I am still going ahead. I feel like the pages fail
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Basically I was wondering if either of these events are notable. For the earlier one, I think so, even if it was held only once, as it looks like it was PGA Tour-level. With the more recent one, not so sure. Wondering what other people thought.
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I'd be inclined to get rid of the parameter. In the relatively rare event of a player announcing their retirement, it's more effective to add a section to their article to cover the subject and provide a reference, as has been done for
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That particular page is mirroring one from the PGA Tour Stat Inquiry System, which may not exactly be intended for public use (there is a way to get into it, but I'm hesitant to share it here because I don't want them to close it off).
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With regards to Matsuyama's 63, the tour may no longer consider it a Players Championship record (judging by the media guide), but that doesn't necessarily mean it gets scrubbed from the TPC Sawgrass books. Unless you have a source(s)?
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As discussed before, keep it as is (most recent tournament first). I find MOS unclear myself. As a note, other sporting pages do reverse order as well, including ones which have recently passed a "featured article" review process e.g.
1598:, the runner-up in the 1935 event was Colonel Chauncey Griggs. I included the military title in the table. However, I have noticed that we have taken out military titles in other pages. For example, Lieutenant H.M. Ballinghall won the
1587:(starting on page 143) did not have the scores from the match play era or the runner-ups from the stroke play era. I did some research and found some of the missing info but not a ton. If anyone can add anything that would be great.
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Yes I get that but it’s hard to define the difference between an exhibition and a professional tournament. I would say the skins games probably are exhibitions, but I think any of the stroke play wins should be kept as ‘Other wins’.
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Lastly though, when you search for "golf exhibition" on the search engines you will find a lot of references (probably thousands) to specific tournaments as "exhibitions." Perhaps, this is enough to confirm the validity of the
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Yes, it would be clearer to readers if we simply said the field was the top-n with about 30 no-hopers (club pros + ex-winners) and then listed the rest. But they persist with this strange qualification system for some reason.
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only applies if ignoring the rule actually improves the encyclopaedia. As things stand, having a small group of chronological tables displayed in reverse order hinders the encyclopaedia by detracting from its consistency. –
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I intend to make similar edits to other PGA Tour calendars from this era. If anyone has any reservations about what I'm doing please let me know. In addition, if you like what I'm doing, please make similar edits to these
509:, you say that "Exhibition Wins" was not a category we could "adequately define." But didn't we already do that, as evidenced on the pages of McIlroy and Johnson that I just mentioned? I genuinely just want clarification.
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seem to have the functionality needed (with a bit of customising), and enable easier entering of results and reordering of tables. Here is an example of what can be produced from these modules using last year's Pool A:
6069:, a relatively simple task. Probably most of the other golfer articles have the retired parameter but not set (ie just "retired="). These should be deleted too, but clearly there a lot more of those (perhaps 4,000)..
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Indeed, the group part is not very reader or editor-friendly. We'd lose the day-by-day details with your top table, but honestly I'm not sure that's a great loss. So I'd support a simplified table for the results.
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I like the last one too. Surnames are preferable to initials. Days 1 2 3 very clear. Pld could go, but not worried either way. We lose the "schedule" aspect (unless we add "vs Hadwin") but that's no big deal IMO.
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the MOS would be the way forward. Chronological lists with other orderings (eg ordered by winners name) would be an issue, but personally I don't see that having lists in reverse chronological order is an issue.
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and I agree with this idea. So I feel like to have a good consensus for merge and delete. However, administrators feel like not enough users have responded for consensus. It would be nice if other members like
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says "Lists may be found within the body of a prose article, or as a stand-alone article". These guidelines plainly apply not just to standalone list articles but also to lists found within prose articles. –
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I don't think we are coming close to a resolution and I don't want this to drag on forever. Below, I have written a couple simple questions. I think simple answers to these questions will help us finalize the
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The Match is not a professional event and neither are the others mentioned they are not listed by any source as a professional win either. It is crazy some of the events that you guys are even talking about.
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for your response. It seems clear that this parameter should be deleted. Could someone please provide me with a link with instructions on how to delete an infobox parameter? I will then attempt to delete
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I agree. Initials can cause issues, plus it loses the Win/Tie/Loss detail. Here's an option along the lines of the snooker format, but with column headers, borders (which could be removed) and less MOS
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What makes more sense is not really germane to this discussion. The only relevant policy on this states that lists should run from oldest to newest. There is no provision for reverse order any more. –
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and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
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Yeah I think I'd agree re the exhibition subsections. With those exhibition events should we move them back into other wins or just remove them completely? I would say removing would make more sense.
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Not sure where the Player Championship eligibility requirements are sourced from, but there seems to be several differences in the media guide (in bold below). Is the media guide wrong or wikipedia?
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I was looking to make a page for this event, in the area of the country where I now live. It appears there are two totally separate events, one held in the 1930s and another modern one. I have this
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I know the event has only inconsistently used the phrase "Club Professional" but I think it would be best if we included it. Right now the title looks way too similar to the major championship, the
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Agree. Personally, I wouldn't want to get into maintaining any such list and don't see them as being particularly encyclopedic, however top-ten does have some significance; top-twenty, not so much.
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it says that Bob Taylor won the 1973 City of Cairns Open and Vines won again the following year. In addition, it looks like some variation of this event was going through the 1980s. According to
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Most American players don't "retire" until they've lost PGA Tour status and don't think they can get it back. There have been European players who retired when still exempt on the European Tour (
6653:, and many others. I find this arrangement completely unnecessary as counting the seasonal wins is not that hard (golfers rarely win more than one or two events in a season). I'm not sure what
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applies here. "Chronological lists, such as timelines, should be in earliest-to-latest chronological order. See Knowledge:Stand-alone lists § Chronological ordering." seems to imply that, like
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The MOS already says that all chronological lists should be in forward order. I'm struggling to see where the ambiguity is, whereas you guys seem to be bending over backwards to find it. –
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it says he won this event (no citation however) under PGA Tour wins. I believe I also saw a victory noted on the page of a contemporaneous golfer a while back however I can't find it now.
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Addendum. Looks like Johnny Owen's table was changed to chronological when it became a featured article, and there has been edit warring to change it back since. It was also discussed on
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I noticed we haven't really utilized the new "Exhibition wins" subheading. We did for the TaylorMade event, the event that precipitated the original discussion, but that seems to be it.
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for your comments. I think I'll make a page for the earlier event but not the later one. Does anyone else know anything about the earlier one? I could only find info on the 1930 event.
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I'm sure there is much that can be verified but not the existence of a coherent tour at this time, so I'd say these articles probably need to head to AFD. Kronish Sports is clearly a
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I do think, however, some minor changes need to be made to the calendars. First off, we clearly need citations so I included a citation from the 1972 PGA Tour Media Guide for the
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article. As often it seems to be difficult to find a decent source for the entry criteria. I've put something together based on previous years and Rob Bolton's weekly article at
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Also, you mentioned that "Challenge Matches" were the most important category created during the conversation. If this is so, how do we begin to categorize Couples' "Other wins"?
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previous season(s). However, the PGA Tour's "Inside the Field" would imply the criteria are not applied in the order listed in the media guide, although there are anomalies.
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I have evidence to suggest that this event was a charity exhibition and I want it removed from the professional wins section. So where do I need to go to make that happen ?.
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Where does it say they are "exhibition" matches? Give us some links from reliable sources. I know it's your style to use vague statements but Knowledge needs more than that.
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comes to mind). But there are countless examples all around the world of players retiring and then coming back, or retiring except for a few tournaments they still played.
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I would agree with Wjemather’s most recent point and as a reader of these pages myself, feel more interest and makes more sense to me in seeing most recent winners first.
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I have been aware of this site, although this is not an area I know anything about. It couldn't in any sense be regarded as a reliable source, certainly not in this area.
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Yes, they are dubious. At the very least, such claims need to be qualified (as they are in the European Tour season articles, although that could also be better/clearer).
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Because not all lists have a chronological element. If you're going to put a list in chronological order, it should be from oldest to newest, not the other way around. –
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Personally I'd be in favour of simply deleting the parameter from the infobox. Pretty sure its not widely used and ill-defined in any case. When do golfers "retire"?
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and I had a discussion about this matter on his talk page. We did not come to consensus which is why I bring it up here. All members are free to contribute. Thanks!
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it needs proper referencing. You can't just claim positive accomplishments, just like you can't not negative happenings, without backing it up with reliable sources.
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Some people seem to think that if an event doesn't form part of an official tour schedule, then it has to be an exhibition. Just simply not the case or true at all.
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Although their are lots of golfers that never retire, some do retire in their prime or later and I see no reason that the fact can't be noted in the infobox, e.g.
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Ok, it looks like consensus is that we don't include these "minor" events in the PGA Tour calendars (unless they were part of the money list). I think that's fine.
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The same name for separate golf tourneys is not uncommon. In most cases it is when the tournament is named after a place but not always. Look at this edit of mine
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The tables for the pool stages are fairly cumbersome and somewhat unfriendly to editors wanting to update them, so I've been looking for a more elegant solution.
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I have no "disdain" for MOS but even if I did, such feelings would be irrelevant. Please stick to the point(s) in question rather than making personal remarks.
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I have placed all of wins (that I'm aware of) that were labeled exhibition wins in the "Other wins" subcategory. I have done this specifically for the pages of
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that references exhibitions a lot and may be the closest reliable third-party source for a definition that we can find (he seems to define it as "match golf").
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Well spotted. However I still think that, while the MOS is crystal clear about "list articles", the situation for other articles is not clear from the MOS.
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the event is still going on. But again, no overarching source on Google. If I cannot find an overarching source I will probably not try to create a page.
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It would be nice if other people responded. You can just quickly copy and paste your thoughts above to the deletion page. Should only take a few seconds.
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consist of a heading followed by a number of bullet points. What we've got at the Byron Nelson article is something completely different, a table.
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If we merge into one table, I think the match results would be clearer in their own columns, as in your first example; something like this maybe:
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who won the event in 1976. In addition he had several other top results in the event during the 1970s. However, I have a few reservations:
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responded on the deletion page's thread. Even if you disagree with this apparent consensus I would appreciate it if you briefly responded.
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and 2019. • Winners of The Genesis Invitational from 2020-2022. • Winners of the Arnold Palmer Invitational presented by Mastercard from
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section of MOS applies, it is not a hard and fast rule); and there is no reason at all for a single article to be changed in isolation.
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I think I added all the satellite tournaments that counted in the money list a while back. I'm not sure the rest are worth including.
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in 1905 and 1906. I originally included his title when I created the page but it was then deleted. Any information would be helpful.
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That being said, when I search for "golf exhibition" (in any variation) on the internet I can't find much of a definition. Even our
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and even if they've lost PGA Tour status, they're thinking they might make a comeback on the seniors tour in a few years time.
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And in men's golf it is almost nonexistent. Overall, I think this parameter is irrelevant to our sport and should be deleted.
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being used is from a website called Kronish sports. I have never heard of it before and I'm not sure if it's reliable.
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FWIW, I agree. 48th and 40th and Matsuyama's round don't count. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.....
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per event", which clearly our tables don't. So on that basis they can't be "lists of dated events, or timelines".
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The reference is given (ref 2) but it lacks clarity in certain aspects. The media guide list seems much better.
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You are equating "called an exhibition by someone" with "not a professional win"; there is no such equivalence.
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Does anyone have source(s) for the tour scratching the 2020 tournament and Matsuyama's record from the books?
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I've deleted all the ones where the parameter was set. I haven't deleted any where the parameter is not set.
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Does anyone here know if the two WGC tournaments that aren't on the schedule this season will be returning?
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infobox because it exists in the infobox for other sports (where an unambiguous retirement date is common).
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says about this but, to me, these parenthetical wins totals seems like a total distraction to the reader.
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that states that Geoffrey Sisk, a notable local pro, won the event that year. It also says on the page of
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reverted these changes due to lack of consensus. If we could get consensus either way that would be nice.
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I notice that no consensus was ever actually reached at that previous discussion. You rightly brought up
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for your additions. I noticed in your sandbox you had Vines winning again in 1974. However, I have this
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but that title is already used as a redirect to the US event. In the media it was sometimes called the
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I was thinking about making a page for this event. I recently created a page for the Australian golfer
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that was the order he played them obviously (you can't tell the order of games from the tables above).
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The 48th staging of the Players Championship ...). Perhaps best to simply remove it for 2021 and 2022.
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It seems like the Cazoo Classic may have been, like the Hero Open, dissociated from the English Open.
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calendars (which already include the "official" events). I wanted to know what other people thought.
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that he won the 2000 Cape Cod Open. (There doesn't appear to be a working citation for it though.)
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Bryson match which clearly states the exhibition nature of that event. People need to look around.
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Lastly, do you have a good sense that the 73 and 74 events were part of the tour's Order of Merit?
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for your forthright response. It seems clear that these pages should be headed to deletion by now.
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The modern tournament gets its own article. The older events a separate one. If they are notable.
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think the full 5 decimal points seems a bit much, but please let me know your thoughts. Thanks.
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page we were thinking about deleting. (I was barely involved and don't know much about it.)
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sensible way forward. I know that Knowledge is crazy at times, but surely not that crazy.
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similar corrections to articles on the Byron Nelson, Houston Open, and a few LPGA events.
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I agree. This really isn't the purpose of succession boxes anyway. Remove them.
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There was a conversation last year about events like this. The link is here:
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The new "strokes gained" system is starting, as advertised a year ago. See:
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https://www.cairnsgolfclub.com.au/10-golf/2-city-of-cairns-amateur-golf-week
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Yeah happy with that. Still feel we could combine into one table though e.g.
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I noticed that a user recently created some early PGA Tour calendars (e.g.
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I guess I'd like to know why MOS says what it does. Without knowing that,
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Absolutely. Such nonsense should be reverted... but not edit-warred over.
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Many of the events being grouped in here would not fit that description.
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I believe the PGA Tour profiles list these wins as ‘other wins’ as well.
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A few minutes ago I created an "Exhibition wins" subheading category for
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https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Qg01AAAAIBAJ&pg=4129%2C2669254
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But, as we've seen, some lists are chronological but are not timelines.
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However, it's not just us. You've also not answered the points made at
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Yes. Seems that most sources are calling the current one the 48th.
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who retired from the LPGA but is playing again at senior events.
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It would be good to hear from other WikiProject Golf members like
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I've referenced Bob Taylor (1973), and added Graeme Bell (1972).
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won the 1966 City of Cairns Open. Four years later, according to
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gone out of fashion, navboxes being preferred in many cases, eg:
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applies and I can't see anything there about such ordering. See
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which shows that Rory is currently number 1 in this list. See:
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do we add military titles in these golf articles? According to
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And, unsurprisingly, disruptive IDHT editing by DF147 resumes.
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Link for proposed pages for deletion: lists of PGA Cup golfers
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It seems like most of us are against this parameter. Do users
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http://www.australiangolfheritage.org.au/objectofthemonth.html
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Like this one the best. Don't think we need the "Pld" column.
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In addition, as full disclosure, I would like to mention that
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Sorry, but that doesn't accurately reflect what I have said.
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Professional Golfers' Association (Great Britain and Ireland)
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PGA Professional Championship (British+Irish) - article title
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Ah, it's a shame there wasn't more input to that discussion.
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That would certainly be an improvement on what we have now.
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In addition, there is a modern event. The modern event was
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Category:Pages using infobox golfer with unknown parameters
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Speaking of revisionist history... see the section below...
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True, but ideally we should be using secondary sources per
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I was looking to make a page for this event. According to
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PGA Professional Championship (Great Britain and Ireland)
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This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from.
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It will work on a variety of links, including those from
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calendar. In addition, in the notes column, I noted that
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but I only do that because of some comments in the past.
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Knowledge:Sockpuppet investigations/DooksFoley147/Archive
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Winner of the FedExCup from the 2018/19-2020/21 seasons.
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seems to apply since we have a longstanding consensus.
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FYI, this was suggested and demonstrated previously at
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have opinions? I would like to come to consensus soon.
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John Smith "" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
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I recently came across old PGA Tour Media Guides like
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List of male golfers who have been in the world top 10
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Looks like the parameter has been deleted. Thank you
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specifically names tables as a valid type of list. –
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most likely be interested in other majors that year.
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https://www.pgatour.com/fantasy/major-qualifiers.html
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I think that looks way better than before. Good job!
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to "avoid novel interpretations of primary sources".
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2012:but didn't manage to account for several changes.
6876:List of Great Britain and Ireland PGA Cup golfers
6305:is the tournament's homepage. I have this a 1994
5431:List of men's major championships winning golfers
3099:My two cents: I like this table above created by
1552:List of men's major championships winning golfers
694:doesn't have "exhibition" in it. I did find this
7000:https://www.owgr.com/strokes-gained-world-rating
5436:Anyway, I thought it may be of some interest...
1547:Chronological list of men's major golf champions
6192:for the corresponding US event so I'm thinking
3150:Yes. I think the use of initials is a problem.
1472:Pretty sure they're not from my understanding.
4634:Chronological ordering of winner lists (again)
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1600:South African Amateur Championship (golf)
1590:I also have one more small question: per
260:and I are coming close to a resolution...
6882:in a bundle. The deletion page is here:
6353:, is the complaint department really on
5717:, is the complaint department really on
5604:, is the complaint department really on
5154:It's not me that need to define it, but
4760:from the 1920s often use forward order.
4468:User script to detect unreliable sources
2820:points table seems to work well though.
2156:, for comments and suggestions. Thanks.
2030:, is the complaint department really on
1999:, is the complaint department really on
1902:, is the complaint department really on
1870:Someone changed the 2022 Players to be "
1440:, is the complaint department really on
1405:, is the complaint department really on
618:"professional wins" by the wider world?
7004:https://www.owgr.com/this-week-s-events
6834:Lists of golfers with "most" major wins
4952:. You've stated your case, please stop
4264:Succession boxes in major championships
1492:I've reverted a couple of additions at
1397:victories but her article sadly dwarfs
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6838:Please see the following discussions:
6618:Talk:LIV Golf#PIF Investment portfolio
6608:Please see the following discussions:
6257:, What name did you ultimately choose?
5356:everyone else sees ambiguities in it.
4488:39th most imported script on Knowledge
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2387:WGC Match Play pools
1538:Notice of discussion
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6681:Western Open
6677:
6661:Oogglywoogly
6659:
6651:Jug McSpaden
6647:Walter Hagen
6640:
6637:MOS question
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6593:Oogglywoogly
6583:Oogglywoogly
6541:
6494:Oogglywoogly
6446:Oogglywoogly
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6435:this article
6427:Vic Bennetts
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6390:Oogglywoogly
6380:Oogglywoogly
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5882:Oogglywoogly
5808:Oogglywoogly
5798:Oogglywoogly
5761:Lorena Ochoa
5740:Oogglywoogly
5730:Oogglywoogly
5702:Oogglywoogly
5692:Oogglywoogly
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5572:Oogglywoogly
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5546:Oogglywoogly
5488:Oogglywoogly
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5460:Vic Bennetts
5457:
5440:Oogglywoogly
5438:
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4940:MOS advises
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4571:WP:CITEWATCH
4560:
4543:cite journal
4527:
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4514:John Smith "
4509:
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4494:John Smith "
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4293:Succeeded by
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3803:Kevin Kisner
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3594:Kevin Kisner
3531:Any better?
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2111:Oogglywoogly
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1866:2020 Players
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1277:Oogglywoogly
1210:77.75.244.29
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1191:
1127:Oogglywoogly
1076:Russ Cochran
1060:Rory McIlroy
1023:Oogglywoogly
1013:Oogglywoogly
919:
916:Shell's WWoG
915:
911:
907:
882:Oogglywoogly
872:Oogglywoogly
840:Rory McIlroy
746:Oogglywoogly
736:Oogglywoogly
703:
700:Walter Hagen
696:1925 article
652:
649:Shell's WWoG
648:
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597:Oogglywoogly
587:Oogglywoogly
503:. Also, for
497:Rory McIlroy
375:Oogglywoogly
365:Oogglywoogly
288:Oogglywoogly
278:Oogglywoogly
225:Rory McIlroy
185:Oogglywoogly
175:Oogglywoogly
149:Rory McIlroy
113:Oogglywoogly
111:
107:Fred Couples
104:
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6985:Jimmymci234
6933:Jimmymci234
6871:Hello all,
6806:Jimmymci234
6690:Jimmymci234
6604:Discussions
6444:Thank you,
5876:Jimmymci234
5156:WP:DATELIST
5082:Timelines?
5047:WP:DATELIST
4990:Johnny Owen
4954:bludgeoning
4915:Jimmymci234
4737:WP:DATELIST
4707:WP:SALORDER
4703:WP:DATELIST
4682:WP:DATELIST
4472:Main page:
4351:The Masters
4278:Preceded by
3873:Tied Kisner
3849:Adam Hadwin
3827:Tied Hadwin
3634:Adam Hadwin
2994:Adam Hadwin
2150:NSPORTS RFC
2144:Please see
1596:this source
1585:main source
1557:Please see
1474:Jimmymci234
1243:Jimmymci234
1080:Bob Charles
961:Jimmymci234
792:discussion.
634:Jimmymci234
450:Jimmymci234
258:Jimmymci234
199:Jimmymci234
130:Jimmymci234
36:This is an
6891:User:Nigej
6782:pʰiːnyːmyː
6776:pʰeːnuːmuː
6643:Jim Barnes
6532:Thank you
6368:...William
6366:Thank you
6351:...William
6292:Jim Barnes
6255:User:Nigej
5951:Thank you
5715:...William
5648:pʰiːnyːmyː
5642:pʰeːnuːmuː
5602:...William
5425:I noticed
5397:pʰiːnyːmyː
5391:pʰeːnuːmuː
5282:pʰiːnyːmyː
5276:pʰeːnuːmuː
4659:pʰiːnyːmyː
4653:pʰeːnuːmuː
4225:pʰiːnyːmyː
4219:pʰeːnuːmuː
4131:pʰiːnyːmyː
4125:pʰeːnuːmuː
4029:pʰiːnyːmyː
4023:pʰeːnuːmuː
3483:2 & 1
3449:2 & 1
3401:Eliminated
3130:pʰiːnyːmyː
3124:pʰeːnuːmuː
3103:the most.
3041:Tied vs AH
3007:Tied vs BW
3001:Tied vs KK
2967:Tied vs AH
2784:Eliminated
2538:Lost 2 dn
2465:Lost 1 dn
2443:MacIntyre
2289:Thank you
2242:pʰiːnyːmyː
2236:pʰeːnuːmuː
2028:...William
1997:...William
1900:...William
1846:Open win (
1714:calendars.
1663:pʰiːnyːmyː
1657:pʰeːnuːmuː
1502:WP:NOSTATS
1438:...William
1403:...William
1009:Thoughts??
336:pʰeːnuːmuː
90:Archive 17
85:Archive 16
79:Archive 15
73:Archive 14
68:Archive 13
60:Archive 10
7041:wjemather
6965:wjemather
6924:Wjemather
6857:wjemather
6823:wjemather
6627:wjemather
6511:wjemather
6355:the roof?
6286:from the
5872:Wjemather
5719:the roof?
5606:the roof?
4960:wjemather
4899:wjemather
4873:wjemather
4711:MOS:TABLE
4397:wjemather
4361:U.S. Open
4175:wjemather
4097:wjemather
3980:wjemather
3535:wjemather
3508:MacIntyre
3463:MacIntyre
3440:MacIntyre
3335:Adam Long
2923:Example:
2886:wjemather
2855:wjemather
2824:wjemather
2792:wjemather
2718:Adam Long
2534:Adam Long
2488:Won 1 up
2471:Won 2 up
2270:wjemather
2160:wjemather
2098:wjemather
2032:the roof?
2016:wjemather
2001:the roof?
1985:wjemather
1955:wjemather
1916:wjemather
1904:the roof?
1853:wjemather
1836:wjemather
1565:wjemather
1527:wjemather
1442:the roof?
1420:wjemather
1407:the roof?
1379:wjemather
1350:wjemather
1316:wjemather
1144:wjemather
926:wjemather
908:The Match
766:wjemather
722:category.
659:wjemather
622:wjemather
506:wjemather
446:Wjemather
407:wjemather
254:Wjemather
7025:Tewapack
6929:Tewapack
6853:Thanks,
6623:Thanks.
6320:Thanks,
5922:used at
5765:Tewapack
5484:Thanks!
4837:MOS:LIST
4807:MOS:LIST
4789:MOS:LIST
4754:MOS:LIST
4594:Headbomb
4567:WP:NPPSG
4533:cite web
3992:Tewapack
3578:Results
3392:Source:
3370:Kevin Na
2775:Source:
2753:Kevin Na
2552:Source:
2484:Kevin Na
2437:Johnson
2196:Thanks,
1416:at all.
1084:Bob Tway
6944:Thanks,
6937:Phinumu
6920:PGA Cup
6579:Thanks,
6490:Thanks,
6407:the Age
6299:founded
6210:PGA Cup
5969:Thanks,
5012:Jopal22
4993:Jopal22
4638:Due to
4428:has an
4108:Jopal22
4052:Jopal22
3766:Player
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3457:Johnson
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2935:Game 1
2932:Player
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2870:Jopal22
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3768:(seed)
3505:Mar 26
3488:Mar 26
3471:Mar 25
3454:Mar 25
3437:Mar 24
3420:Mar 24
3415:Score
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4159:Nigej
4089:conc.
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3763:Rank
3557:Rank
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3409:Date
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