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pronunciations, it wasn't about imposing or dictating some specific ways of pronouncing those words. Rather, I was simply reflecting how Thai speakers actually pronounce them. (And I think you somewhat confirmed that when you said, "But no doubt many people also pronounce it the way you transcribed.") If you come across other possible pronunciations, then sure, add them. For example, if you hear people adding to "Hale's", we can transcribe the name as "". But seriously, does anyone really pronounce āļĨ in this name as ? I highly doubt it. We don't need to include every single possibility based on the spellings, do we? If one has never heard it, then there's no point in adding it. Parallelly, the transcriptions currently shown in the articles
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interesting and maybe useful to know how a loanword is rendered according to Thai phonology, I don't think it's such pertinent information that warrants inclusion as part of the standard article opening, and they often won't match how the terms are actually pronounced in real life (which tends to more closely approximate the English) anyway.
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standard Thai, which is well established, more interpretation of the input (and surveys of the pronunciation itself) is required for these variable pronunciations. Say, what is the sound of a closing āļĨ? Is it /ÉŦ/, /w/, or /n/? How can we claim to know how Thai people actually pronounce it? It's opening up a whole can of worms, IMO. --
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With hybrid pronunciations that don't follow standard Thai phonology, there's also the issue of deviating from the standard IPA symbol set for Thai, making them technically inappropriate for the IPA-th template. It might also be veering into original research territory, as unlike the IPA mapping for
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Although I personally find the romanization for loanwords rather pointless since it isn't used anywhere, I don't see any issue with it being there. As for the IPA pronunciation, yes, recent loanwords tend to be pronounced more closely to their source languages, but older loanwords often maintain the
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In my opinion, those are perfect examples where non-native English speakers use or incorporate English words into their brand names but pronounce them according to their local phonology. Even though all of them are written with the Roman script, they are distinct languages with their own vocabulary
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And why do we need to "claim" to know how each loanword is pronounced though? From what I understand, I don't think this has anything to do with the original research, or else adding IPA pronunciation to other "phonetic languages" could face similar challenges as well. I mean, when I added those
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For topics whose names in Thai constitute English loanwords, I generally think that it's unnecessary to provide the RTGS romanization or IPA guide for the Thai pronunciation, as they will most often just be garbled versions of the English term already presented to the reader. While it can be
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articles got AFD, i would like to providing sources to support the notability. Unfortunately, i couldn't find any old articles that talks about them per SIGCOV. All of them were competing in the Olympics, and Siripool also won silver medal in the Asian Games. Please help.. Thank you
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Now, how can we determine when to pronounce a closing āļĨ as /ÉŦ/, /w/, or /n/? (By the way, I usually use square brackets, not slashes). I have no clue. Maybe that's a question that one should ask Thai speakers—why did they create such inconsistencies in the first place?
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and phonology. If they were to use native words, it would be something like "Exalumnos de Newell," "Clube Esportivos Coríntios," or "Ubilogiciel." It's not as if their speakers were inherently born with the ability to speak English but consciously decided not to.
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I noticed earlier, and frankly this is going to be a huge headache to clean up. It'll probably be easier to fall back first on Wayback Machine archives if they exist, then manually fix the rest. Apparently there's a way to submit articles for processing by
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September 2023, I've just noticed that the files are now available at the old links again (despite the staff saying that this was not possible when I inquired over the phone back then). Not sure how long they will continue to be available, though.
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Happy Land might be an example where the Thai pronunciation is clear and established, but that isn't always the case. Take Hale's Blue Boy. The /s/ is pronounced very clearly in this TV advertisement.
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Not sure those are good examples, especially the Ubisoft one, as they're all from countries whose languages use the Roman script. But then there are plenty of other examples from Japan, with their
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But no doubt many people also pronounce it the way you transcribed. As there isn't a "standard" pronunciation that the IPA can represent, I think they'd be better left out in cases like this.
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Potapt was the one who added the IPA to the Hale's Blue Boy article, so we seem to be differ in opinion. I'm raising the topic here for more visibility, in case others wish to join. --
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realized with the final .) Hence, I believe it would be useful to include it. Moreover, if the localized pronunciation can stay in articles like
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There's probably been enough coverage of him personally to warrant an article, even though he's mostly known from the human trafficking issue. --
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pronunciation already adapted to Thai phonology, even in standard speech (for example, I rarely, if ever, hear the pronunciation of the name
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Need help checking notability for āļžāļĩāđˆāļŠāļēāļ§āļ•āđ‰āļ™āđ„āļĄāđ‰ and also what an appropriate romanized name should be for this. Is this spirit notable?
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Fleeing Thailand, Top Investigator of Human Trafficking Says He Fears for His Safety - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
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has been changed in a way that automatic conversion of current citations cannot be done easily. For example, what was
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I figured that some members of WikiProject Thailand might want to help contribute to the proposed WikiProject.
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don't cover all the different ways those names can be pronounced based on their spellings.
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I previously briefly discussed this with the original author on my talk page; see
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works. IABot can only process if the entire domain is dead. Following up at
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Royal Thai Government Gazette (āļĢāļēāļŠāļāļīāļˆāļˆāļēāļ™āļļāđ€āļšāļāļĐāļē) document URL scheme change
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As this is a highly active WikiProject, I would like to introduce you to
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Paween 'thriller' timely reminder of chilling reality (bangkokpost.com)
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Thailand’s Fearless Cop | Human Trafficking | Al Jazeera
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12:17, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Taweetham
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03:23, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Paween Pongsirin
Paween 'thriller' timely reminder of chilling reality (bangkokpost.com)
Thailand’s Fearless Cop | Human Trafficking | Al Jazeera
Fleeing Thailand, Top Investigator of Human Trafficking Says He Fears for His Safety - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Dwanyewest
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19:06, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Paul_012
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13:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
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07:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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