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own behavior. More significant than his blocks in 2006 is the fact that he was not blocked at all for a long period of time and thus seems to be showing signs of improvement. Usually the default here at Knowledge seems to be to forget past indiscretions if improvement is shown. Admittedly Giovanni seems to be slipping back into pushing the 3RR boundaries in the last couple of months so presumably some kind of action should be taken. I agree with Mastcell above that a 6-month (that seems good for starters, it could easily be extended) 1RR probation might be the way to go. This would allow Giovanni to continue to make good contributions (which we want) but prevent him from edit warring. If he continued to edit war while on probation longer blocks would be put into effect. That seems by far the best solution to me as I don't think Giovanni is just a problem user and I don't think it's impossible for him to reform his behavior. Incidentally, Giovanni's block log is a bit deceptive and, although unacceptable, not as bad as it seems if you just glance at it. For example all of the apparent blocks from July 6-10 in 2006 (there were 13 of them) seem to revolve around one issue and involve a classic case of wheel warring. In the end Giovanni was not blocked, so what appears to be 13 blocks could actually be viewed as none (or 1 which was contested). In total it seems Giovanni was blocked about 10 times in 2006 (which is no good obviously) and 3 times so far in 2007.--
9032:) is a favorite of race-haters - and appears to be false. It underlines what I commented earlier - race-hatred is a real problem, and Knowledge will incite still more of it, unless we are ruthless about keeping it out. We'd never accept "The Jews are viewed with suspicion by XXXXX because of accusations of XXXXX" except in an article that makes clear how very nasty this stuff is. We should similarly steer well clear of allowing accusatory/discriminatory statements about other "groups" to appear. In fact, we should avoid labeling anyone as belonging a group. Or not belonging to a group, as we do when we allow the race-haters to imply that being Scottish is an alternative to being British. In this example, the "problem" is tiny - but it's still important to deny these race-haters a platform. And the principle of not labeling people (unless it is really, really necessary) holds good always. (Sorry if the above really belongs at some policy-discussing page, but reminding people is necessary at pages like this as well). 2346:...), as the article was at that point being moved around by at least one more admin; we were all trying to clean up the mess, and eventually, after Circus protected the article from moves (thanks!), we were able to do so. My primary concern here was not moving the article into any name that I thought was better, but to fix the n-th redirects and other navigational problems created by the move war. Considering the disruption caused by his actions - not for the first time - I see no reason why Ghirla shouldn't be treated as any other user who is responsible for a 3RR violation and a move war. He is an experienced editor and should now much better then to carry out an obviously controversial move without discussion and then on top of everything engage in a move war. Last but not least, trying to deflect the criticism of his person by turning on another editor, removing other editor's post in its entirety ( 8911:
scottish people identify with english cultural symbols. Its like calling George Bush a Connecticutur rather than an american. While its true he is both, the latter is more appropriate for an encylopedic article. While scotland is a nation, it is not a sovereign nation, there is a significant difference. Bottom line is someone born in the UK is British. Consider as well that many people born in Scotland/Ireland/Wales and England will at one time or another live part of their life in another constituant country of the UK, so what sub-nationality one identifies with is really down to their own personal choice. You could argue its not their choice and its determined by the location of their birth, but i'm sure General Wellington would have disagreed, ;)
9055:
asking quick enforcement of such a policy. So it looks like we have no actual policy or guideline after all... I'll try to propose one in RFC or Pump/Policy, Knowledge is becoming a total mess and a laughingstock with respect to nationalities, apparently everybody is too scared of ethnic terrorists to move, but we need something on that topic. It's not just the British thing, have a look from the Categories to articles about Canadian people (lots of "Canadian" deleted in favor of just "Quebec" or "Quebecois"), or Belgian people (most of them have erased "Belgian" and replaced it with "Flemish" or "Walloon", the two subnations that hate each other). I haven't even looked into Basque, Breton, Corsican, and the like...
12020:. I've been involved with this for a few weeks now and this seems to be the latest aspect of this situation. I've brought this here, as is often my wont, because my actions in blocking this IP for a while have been called into question by the IP. I acknowledge 3 months is a while but there is nothing (in my view) worthwhile coming from that IP, (it was used by Guivon, the latest sock manifestation of Velebit/Purger, and the IP itself, and that's it) and collateral damage strikes me as unlikely even if the IP is a Verizon address. Logged in users are not prevented from editing, and users without IDs can write the unblock-en-l list if they wish. As always I welcome review of my actions. ++ 5161:), I was astounded to see his prior block log. He appears to have one of the most extensive histories of unrepentant edit warring I've encountered, and his behavior in the last few days is not the kind of behavior that indicates that we should expect any improvement in the future after adding one more block to the over 20 previous blocks and block extensions he's had. I've given him a 48 hour block, to match his adversary-in-warring's block, but if there are no objections, I think we should recognize that this is an incorrigible case, and extend that to indefinite. And we need to get better at removing these time-sinks before it goes on so long. 8678:
changes would mean a massive overhaul of all Irish, Welsh and Scottish articles about people living in the last 300 years, and woud eliminate a lot of clear information by obscuring it behind the broad term 'United Kingdom'. The history of scotland is clear at its' article, and the ssame goes for UK. Readers want to know Connery's Scottish, not 'A citizen of the United Kingdom, being born in the subservient nation-state of Scotland' "Sean Connery is a scottish actor'. bam, done. Be CLEAR. Knowledge is not censored for political correctness like that. Observing self-description in the text, and the British(Scottish) in the infobox is enough.
6889:. Both users have reverted very recently after the protection, and both know better then this. We all know at least some moderate english, and we should be mature enough to discuss matters on the talk pages. When both of your blocks expire I hope you two can resolve this dispute. There are options such as mediation. Please do not resort to silly reverting again, but instead discuss the changes, your change is not likely to stick unless you get others to agree anyway. Anyone else editing this article should keep this in mind, being disruptive is being blockable. There are better ways to resolve your editorial disputes. —— 6584:. I'm all for encouraging useful edits and productive behavior, but when a user's long term effect is to decrease the productivity of other editors by more than the net value of his or her own contributions, eventually external solutions become necessary. We hope that dispute resolution and short term blocks solve the problem. Sometimes that doesn't work and then we're left with a difficult dilemma. Yes, the options at hand here are limited and crude. Let us all recall that Giovanni33 placed himself and us in this difficult position, and he should reasonably expect that consequences are at hand. 6700:
mirror that one with the same admin seeking a course of action without regard to community consensus. We have three things at work: 1) This ANI which appears headed to same as the last one (i.e. overturned by a single admin) 2) Durova's noble attempt to negotiate appropriate behaviour and 3) community consensus from the CSN. Option 2 is obviously the most favourable. Option 1 is not acceptable the second time around and one way to ensure that is option 3. Community consensus is an important gauge that an admin should be weighing when deciding to shorten or overturn a block. --
12461:(I'm not sure if this is the right place to post; if not, feel free to move the discussion to someplace more appropriate, but please notify me.) One of the issues seems to be (at least in the case of the second link) the fact that the IW links are kept on a transcluded subpage (along with other documentation). Apparently, this confuses the bot. This may be bad practice, I don't know, but it certainly simplifies life when dealing with a protected template. The other issue, where it moves the IW links outside of the noinclude tags appears to simply be a bug in the bot. 4110:"I visit Knowledge each day and go through and read portions of that I am interested in." -- And do you do so stealthily, not making edits, but just watching over a particular user to try and dig up dirt on them? No, I didn't think so. That's creepy and a clear demonstration of bad faith, especially when it's followed with a completely false reporting of events (going so far to claim I was "recruiting meatpuppets" and "canvasing"). As for "daily", the conversation was on the evening of the 11th, and it gets reported on Knowledge midday on the 12th. -- 8343:: My opinion is that the above commentator should have either self-disclosed that he is from Scotland and a member of Wikiproject Scotland (cf. his user page), or abstained from a conflict of interest. And as far as I remember Knowledge doesn't recognize or endorse non-sovereign nations, an encyclopedia is descriptive. Is there a new policy that says we now should use "Scot" or "Quebécois" or "Flemish" or "Texan" or "Basque" or "Breton" as nationalities? I would like to see the references or archive of the debate that legifered that. — 8542:: I forgot to mention that in that sort of cases, I'm always careful to have both the infobox say "Nationality: British (Scottish)" and the lead section say "John Doe is a British something from Scotland", thus there is both the encyclopedic sovereign nation, and the accurate sub-nation. But this is never enough for ethnic warriors, that simply delete all instances of "British" or "UK", such as the case above -- to me this is unencyclopedic and not a content dispute. And it seems to be the same everywhere. Our article about 7422:: "Ignore all rules" is not an invitation to use Knowledge for purposes contrary to that of building a 💕." That last statement is why we are here; to make a 💕. Anyways, the only higher person you might even convince to change the policy is Jimbo Wales himself, but he has been trying to cut down on our reliance on images that do not meet the Board's definition of freedom. So, in this case, you wish to use a photo of a living person. Well, if you look on the Flickr website, there are non-screenshot photos of the person. 1668:(unindent) I looked back through his/her contribution history (which is a little scary) and he looks to have tried to get help with his sig back in November 2006. I'm sure there are other issues at play here, but is it possible that he changed his sig at some point and just never got it right (looks like his name didn't have traditional characters in it early on). I'm not sure she/he knows enough english to be helped. Btw, she added back the quotes to the Obama page, but it's still unclear what she wants. . . 7341:"? You see why this requires someone with a sufficiently big stick to just lay down the law? I'm not only getting policy referrals, instead of people just saying that they think that policy is more important than article quality, but it's not even consistent policy! Every doc I've been pointed to eventually says -- or points to an article that says -- that exceptions are permitted, that fair use is permitted and that "If a rule prevents you from working with others to improve or maintain Knowledge, ignore it." 8959:
have its own national identity saying someone is scottish is ethnic not national. Scots are a race like aryans or kurds are a race. Likwise the english are a race, does living in england make someone english? of course not. Likewise for scotland. The nationality of the english, welsh, scots and n.irish is British, as it is for any other UK citizen. By all means add to the article he was born in scotland but its not his nationality. His nationality is british like every UK citizen.
5058:
admins and this is because this discussion belongs on the article's talk page, not ANI. This isn't an admin issue; it's an editorial dispute. You could have resolved the dispute yourself by using another reference, which you had because I emailed them to you last month. Now, please stop edit warring when it is clearly established there is no consensus for what you want to add to the article. Even people who agree with you in principle have told you two to stop because there is
3797:" the article, says the person who has made 631 edits compared to my 18,** who continually rolled back changes without addressing them on talk (the archives are full of dangling threads ending with me asking why you hadn't responded), and you who continually claimed an academic concensus as justification without ever citing it. You claim problems with my cites, and yet you continually ignored (and still ignore) requests to back up your concensus claims with 9072:
changed (and how far is it before such madness happens, if we let it slip?). It just means we need a policy so as to be able to clean the nationality fields of those unencyclopedic articles, and ban the ethnic warriors who'd revert again. Also, the difference between "Nationality: British" and "Nationality: Scottish" isn't what you call "nitpicking". No dictionary or encyclopedia use your "Nationality: Scottish"; this point, too, is never addressed.
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the entire edit history of Digwuren and Suva, from their first edit in the project. In the first months, you will hardly find anything but reverts. Nobody seems to care about the amount of disruption they bring to the Eastern Europe-segment of the project but, when I make two page moves and two reverts, they are somehow joined together and declared in violation of 3RR. Since such a report has no chance of being taken seriously on
8195:
habits, don't bother us with facts". This also refers to editors born as late as the 1980s or even early 1990s, helpfully trying to educate persons who witnessed only few live broadcasts of football games - for example the last nine editions of an obscure thing called "FIFA World Cup final", in which one team with two names happened to be involved five times. BTW, did someone somewhere mention "sour grapes" yet? --
3022:"classical" revert. But let us not go into these technicalities. If you find it helpful to survey two-year-old block-logs, you will certainly notice that the first block was for "inciting a 3RR violation by another user" (and was lifted with an apology from the blocking admin on my talk page), and another was a result of Bonaparte's sock-farm antics. So your reading of my block log is disconnected from reality. -- 3332:. I think saying "disturbing how widespread and facile abuse of admin privileges has grown." - is a bit of an exaggeration. Its a redirect, nobody was deleting real content. Should we start an RFAR to get some people desysopped over this? I think not, just let the RFD run its course and stop screaming "Admin Abuse!" whenever an admin does something you disagree with. The proper venue for this should have been 4683:
I've told him before that it would be better to use a different article as the source but he apparently feels using the Marr article for a benign tidbit (that JH's family call him Jack and that his mother raised him) is critical. If he was serious about this, instead of just forum shopping and desperately trying to include a link to that particular article in the main bio, he'd simply use another source.
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parole or something similar and that as well as other options should be considered. I don't think El C is ignoring consensus since there is none. Rather the indef block was far too drastic of a measure to take on an established user, particularly since the admin who indef blocked him did so after only a couple of people had commented here and did so less than 90 minutes after the thread was started.--
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record of blocks documenting such behavior. In the case of Giovanni, it seems that yet another short term block may be as futile as the last dozen blocks. I've seen other editors merit indefinite blocks with behavior and block logs not nearly as egregious as that of this particular editor. Any block, whether indefinite, long or even short could hardly be considered arbitary in this particular case.
6941:, they have been revert warring on multiple articles for many weeks. Both parties have had plenty of warnings and they know this behaviour is not on, to give another warning would be meaningless. Brendan says in his complaint above that, "a lower threshold for blocking would exist if edit-warring resumes", so there's no excuse for then going off and doing just that, even if it was "only twice". 12573:(which should either be fixed, or it will soon become a "former" FA). In this case the destroyed part is not in the "References" section, but in the middle of the article (footnotes to a large table). (This article was even one of those listed already during the approval process, with the comment "I made 25 edits, but the robot has worked fine".) Somebody also explained the technical detail in 10370:, a dedicated vandalism fighter with a *EUPHENISM ALERT* wide definition of "vandal" and apparent anger issues. */EUPHENISM ALERT* CBFan has blanked Kingdom's ill-thought-out RFA while hurling abuse at it, removed things from Kindom's user page for being "stupid", left a message on Kingdom's talk page saying that he won't "have to keep deleting" his comments if he uses a spell checker, and 1804: 5844:
an arbitrary number, and was simply chosen as a limit). We are much better off without such a user on Knowledge. Even if there's a mass of consecutive blocks and unblocks, Giovanni33's block log is extensive and solely 3RR blocks. Users who constantly edit war should be excised from the project long before their block log gets to Giovanni33's length, or Nixer's length as mentioned below.—
12835: 11237: 11057: 10835: 9981: 9112: 9137:, he created that account specially to stalk his "enemy" summerthunder. he has not done anything constructive to wikipedia, other than stalking that summerthunder person. and he always uses that account whenever he thinks that his stalkee summerthunder is back online. so someone should ban this faker's account, he definitely has some other accounts which is against wikipedia's rules. -- 2321:
Ghirla also should not have moved the article more than once after it was undone, as the very fact that someone disagreed with his edits meant that he should take it to discussion. I don't really think the 24 hour block of Ghirla is called for though. It isn't really doing anything preventing him from editing from 24 hours when more productive editing could be taking place.
1816:(though it seems the motivation was not in fact racism, but simply because it was an available picture of twins, the use of a picture of living people to illustrate it was certainly in bad taste) - he had some difficulty communicating this objection, leading to accusations of vandalism etc which understandably left him with negative feelings about the wikipedia community -- 7426:. Of course, we cannot use that photo since it is copyrighted. But, you can ask the uploader and see if he can put it under a CC license. Emailing her website is a good option too. But, we just cannot use any ol' photo of her because she is still alive and from what I can tell, she is getting lots of work, so it will be possible to obtain a free photo pretty darn easily. 3723:
I was adding cites all over the place, and Durova was reverting my edits almost every time, half of the time without any explanation and while leaving the sections on the talk page that I started asking why dangling -- the whole time defending their actions (when defended at all) by claiming an academic concensus which was never referenced, despite repeated requests. --
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people. The Arbitration Committee aren't gods. Jimbo has a lot of important stuff to do. Taking up the time of these people with long, obsessive, self-indulgent tirades against wicked users, editors and wikibureaucrats isn't going to earn you any bonus points. It might be a lot of trollish fun, but it gets you nowhere except to the land of high blood pressure. --
9190:, would it? To anyone concerned, there is personal information on my regular account. I created this one to participate in the ST sock-bopping shenanigans, which incurred onto some articles i edit. I'm cool with my personal info being visible on site amongst collaborators, but all in all i'd rather not leave a calling card with where i live, etc, to some others. 6299:
the door when they've started to take up too much time...whatever the POV and wherever their editing takes place. If Giovanni has an editor that he's warring with then that editor needs some attention also. But that doesn't mean Giovanni needs to be released from any responsibility, it just means someone needs to shine the light in other directions as well.
2382:. You should be ashamed of yourself, Piotrus. There are still people who remember how you wheel warred to unblock Molobo which - amid your protestations - was eventually banned from Knowledge for a year. After His year-long block expired in June, the guy instantly resumed his disruptive activities in the project, with your full encouragement and support. -- 7901:, with his point of view defeated, per consensus and common name. Today he has started to unilaterally change references from West Germany to Germany, on hundreds of articles. These edits are so destructive that I would consider them vandalism. He needs to be stopped, and the edits need to be undone, and quickly, if possible. Thanks for your time. 9304:) we have had an edit war with one side having three editors (one 2006 account, one brand new account, one IP) re-making changes which we had a dispute over and eventual consensus on earlier this year. The article has had what we believe was a problem with it being a minor target of some long term vandals in the past. 2809:. I tried to move the article once, to fix the broken links, and ended up moving a redirect anycase. I find your attempts to portay me as a villain here quite unconstructive. It was Ghirla who move warred against comments and moves of several (4? more?) editors; it is quite clear who is the disruptive party here.-- 8585:
and diplomatic choice of words isn't Knowledge's concern. And the original "Nationality: British (Scottish)" had it covered anyway for full information, so the reader is even free to decide. Doing otherwise would be as unencyclopedic as writing "Nationality: Texan". Not all readers are from the UK or the U.S.
12351:. The first change causes the interwiki links to be included on all transcluded pages, while the second change removed valid interwiki links intended for the main template and inserted other interwiki links that should have been wrapped in a noinclude section to avoid being included on the main template. -- 9063:
separatism. As long as it's sourced, I wouldn't be bothered by some infoboxes telling "British (Scottish)", "Canadian (Quebec)", "Belgian (Flemish)", or even "Spanish (Basque)". We just need to keep it to actual territories and forbid racial/ancestry things such as "German (Turkish)" or "French (Jewish)".
10392:, attempted to run for adminship just so he/she can "be a cop", and additionally violated 3RR twice. Luckily, the Crash article has got protection applied to it for now so any repeated edits in there should be less of an issue for now, but if anything pops up I'll approach the user and talk to him/her. 12789:
because to her they are all the same. When asked on her page to discuss these changes on the talk pages of the articles she has responded beligerently, and has already violated 3RR on Child modeling (erotic). Could an admin step in and aprise her of how things are done on wikipedia? PLease understand
12325:
More eyes on the article could not hurt, however there are a group of excellent Knowledge editors who are already attempting to clean up the article. Real77 claims to be working for Anna Wilding but is doing nothing but trashing the article's talk page and making the article as ugly as possible. My
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of the latter's "literary difficulty." I happen to have a speech impediment, and the last item was the kind of thing that I got to listen to growing up. I can tell you that if I were in Kingdom's shoes, I'd be hard pressed indeed to obey anything that CBFan told me to do. This, IMHO, gives him enough
9058:
To ThuranX: I think that having a lead section say that "Sean Connery is a British actor from Scotland" is hardly the pejorative apocalypse you're writing about; the "clear information" you ask is precisely both terms, not a single one; the objective facts of British passport, U.N. representation, or
9054:
First, I need to apologize for how this turned into a long debate: as explained above, I honestly believed that in 2007 we had a WP:SOMETHING policy or guideline or arbitration precedent about such a simple encyclopedic topic as nationality fields, and I thus believed that WP:ANI was a good place for
8863:
Well said - there are real issues over how to treat nationality in articles, but Knowledge is riddled with "ethnic labelling" of very divisive kinds. It attracts race-haters and gives them far more of a platform than they have outside of the encyclopedia. We should not be providing any such platform,
8318:
My view is that it is acceptable to use Scottish as a nationality; I also feel that that is preferable. Therefore it's more of a content dispute than unencyclopedic, IMO. I don't feel the abuse of the minor edit checkbox is deliberate, perhaps just contact him saying 1) instead of waring, it could be
6274:
I wouldn't exactly say this is arbitrary, maybe a little hasty but hardly surprising that editors are starting to consider longer term blocks in this case. There isn't a "right" to edit here you know, and if someones editing becomes agitated enough it starts to be a waste of time to keep dealing with
6178:
Those were all done. He pledged 2RR 6 weeks ago. He was blocked for 2 weeks only 3 weeks ago but it was reduced by El_C. He has simply not taken any of this to heart. Admins who have reduced his block have done neither him nor the project a good service. Even now, they seem to believe Giovanni33
5543:
Doesn't seem logical to me. Giovanni33 went about a year without block, despite being an active editor the whole time (I checked). If after this he were to go another decade without doing anything blockworthy I doubt anyone would then be advocating indefinite block over a 3RR violation or the like. A
5455:
I have not looked into the matter to know who is who, I just tend to favour trying things if there is some hope of redemption. Would your feelings about imposing an indef block on G be the same if the other "side" were also subject to the same probation instead of indef blocked? If so, then this is a
5372:
Sure it does. One can see that sort of thing proposed and sometimes implemented via the Community sanction board. If an admin commutes the block, with that proviso, and no other admin changes it, it's done. As for Molobo et al, we're not perfect, but if sockpuppetry is identified and clearly evident,
5099:
It's sad that situations like this make referencing of articles impossible. I started from the top of the article, referencing text that others had written. I added probably 15 or so references, not just the ones that 'Skyring'/'Prester'/'Sarah' didn't like. Prior to this ANi, nobody had contacted me
4890:
As far as know people have only been removing one source and that is the Marr article which (as I've been telling you for weeks now) many people consider to be an attack article. If people have been removing other sources, which is what you seem to be claiming, please cite diffs. Please stop flinging
4820:
shows an impressive dedication to this task. This most recent effort has been discussed at great length and no concensus for insertion found. Lester's complaints that references are being removed revolves around his replacement of a good source for non-contentious material - the childhood nickname of
4656:
If you just want to source the statement, "leaving his mother to take care of John (or "Jack" as he was known in the family)," then why don't you use a different article which most people do not consider to be an attack piece on a living person? If Prester and Pete are reverting up to six times a day
4049:
Right. Because your interpretation of the policy is inherently correct, and mine is inherently wrong, right? The whole conflict was over what constitutes SYN. Declaring your stance as inherently right, and that I am "unwilling to comprehend", is exactly why we needed dispute resolution in the first
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Being belligerent enough to drive editors off of articles is nothing to be proud of, Durova. And concerning an editor who had just gone through a painful affair in her life at the time, not that difficult, to be quite honest. As an addendum, anyone who checks the history of the article can see that
3531:
Might I ask how my behavior is similar to Ideogram's? I'm not asking that you stop debating. I've just noticed that the users involved have become increasingly hostile, and suggested that all parties involved should take a quick break to regain composure so that intelligent debate may resume. Perhaps
3275:
I, for my own part, will appreciate if you refer me to the process by which you have received the tools. I see that you have been editing for several months already but I can see your name neither in the user rights log or user rename log. It is annoying to see so many sysops whose qualifications for
2702:
It's not the first time that you defend "cool-down" blocks of established contributors made without prior conversation or warning on IRC advice, with a taunting block summary like "you aren't getting that courtesy, etc." If you search for "tendentious and unilateral" editing, you are welcome to check
2543:
I appreciate your concern about the title. You were sadly silent when Digwuren started a thread titled "Irpen persisting in using a deletion board for personal attacks" at this very board recently (must have moved to the archives now.) True enough he was quickly shown the door here at that time. Next
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to illustrate the concept of "doppleganger" - He considered it racist because the subjects are black (though, no comment on whether he would think the same if a picture where the subjects were white had been used instead), and handicappist because either he considers being a twin to be a disability,
12892:
I noticed last night that the merge template had no image, but assumed someone was noodling with it, and it would be back in the AM. It's not. As the images often work as a shorthand for regulars who might gloss over the text of templates like that, can we get it back soon? thanks you. Example here:
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concern at this point is that because he claims to be working for Ms. Wilding, he is making her look awful with his edits, particularly his talk page ranting which is largely incomprehensible. This sounds reasonable, though, blocking until a user agrees to not make any more legal threats. Thanks.
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by the standards of our current fair-use doctrine or else face quick deletion, regardless of how "fixable" and otherwise-valid those rationales may be? I know this has been discussed to death, but Betacommand's bot is starting to paint with such wide, nitpicking brushstrokes that we could soon lose
12038:
Nah, I wouldn't worry about collateral damage. 99.9% of addresses out there have no edits, and the ones that are multi-user addresses are usually quite obvious. This one isn't it. You would have been quite appropriate to block the thing for 1 year, and a hard block at that, especially given that the
11193:
Hi, can somebody please help me with this image? This is taken from the Hungaryan National Széchényi Library. What i have to do, that others stop tagging it? It is public. I also wrote to the library management (just 4 sure) .. but probably they will write back in hungaryan, so no big sense. thanks
8515:
Sean Connery would give his nationality as Scottish, I'm sure. I don't believe Graeme Garden does. He is not prominently identified with nationalist causes, and is not strongly identified with Scottishness. I'd wager that a decent proportion of his fan base are not really aware he's a Scot, since
8176:
Look, people accept that the official name was never West Germany. People accept that "West Germany" is rarely used in Germany itself. People accept that the DFB and the national team are - officially - unchanged since reunification. People accept that English-speaking people often refer to the West
8089:
Matthead, Just stop. You've shopped this issue to multiple forums. You got the same answers each time: This is En.Knowledge, and as such, reflects En Language use. You don't like that. We get it. You want it changed. We get it. It's not going to change. Find other ways to contribute to wikipedia, or
7544:
I've recently had an encounter with a user who announced that he was quitting Knowledge over a single post I made; I am told that he reappeared a few days later under a new username. So maybe this person will do the same? As BSF suggested above, he could always contact Ms Hamilton's publicity people
6722:
I think that admins are more inclined to take unilateral action based on input here than on CSN. For example, Durova blocked very quickly based on evidence here. Likewise, El_C seems inclined to unblock based on his interpretation of fairness rather than consensus. This approach has its merits as
6680:
What makes this discussion here any different than one that will be started at CSN? Starting a vote (which is what it always ends up being at CSN) isn't going to solve anything. There's enough discussion here to gauge consensus that we don't need bulleted points with '''endorse''' or '''oppose''' to
6207:
I think an indefinite block is far too draconian. Giovanni most definitely has a tendency to edit war and that is not good. But I disagree that he is merely a POV warrior. He has made good contributions here, and strikes me as quite rational and open to suggestions, be they on article content or his
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Have not examine in detail. I have not seen anything regarding socks other then what happened very long ago, over 11 months. The 3RR reports were not false, the cited point of them was he was also involved in them. As for stalking, if you are reffering to your below items, there was no disruption is
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went 9 months and was not blocked, but has been blocked now another 4/5 times in the last 2.5 months...that on top of his abuse of sock accounts previously and his more than a dozen previous blocks, all for edit warring. If he isn't indefinitely blocked and someone shorthens his block and he resumes
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I made the comments here that I have because I feel matters are being misrepresented. If that is a misuse of ANI, then I'm certainly not the only one guilty of that. An exclusive attack on me in respect of that, shows bias, an absence of good faith, incivility and newcomer biting. I, as a relatively
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then on to the RfC (which I started, by the way, so I find it hilarious that some opposing editors have accused me of being a sock puppet and questioned whether my comments meet the RfC; talk about wikilawyering...). You will find a majority of editors making favourable comments for at least a brief
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What?? There is no consensus to include that material; that's why I deleted it. All I removed was the twaddle about Howard's father. There is absolutely no consensus to include that material, I don't understand how you can even claim that. The fact that it is removed multiple times a day is proof of
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As for your site, how do you know he's watching your site daily? Wouldn't he have brought up the discussion as soon as it occurred, as opposed to days after it ended? What's wrong with visiting a site on a daily basis in the first place? I visit Knowledge each day and go through and read portions of
3772:. Rei's approach was to raise a variety of different points simultaneously and repeat them in various combinations, disregarding feedback. I tried addressing those points in a variety of ways, I requested prioritization and focus, but this individual would not engage in encyclopedic collaboration. 3606:
whatever it is, is being deleted out of process, such as: CSD "A7 does not apply here!" (I don't know what CSD criteria was used, nor if its even an argument over a speedy deletion, nor do I really care). All I do know is continued revertwarring here is going to lead to blocks, so discuss the issue,
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the username Maxim through the CHU/U process (much as I did with my own). The log is unclear but that's not Maxim's fault - my own log has a similar problem (my original name was my current with "78" at the end), it's to do with the fact the history doesn't migrate. Note I have absolutely no opinion
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Ghirla moved the page 3 times today in the span of less than an hour without making any mention of it on the article's talk page. This is what prompted Suva to contact an administrator through IRC (how is there anything wrong with that?) and Golbez just happened to be the one to look into the issue,
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Since writing the original message, he has since performed three edits on the Crash article in the space of an hour, and is still insisting to keep the image no matter how objectionable it is. Considering that he/she tried to apply for adminship in the past as well, I'm convinced about this user's
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is an English actor" where they delete the word "British" on sight everytime it's inserted) doesn't make it right nor a point; for instance, if all our articles about Muslim subjects were dated using the Muslim calendar, that still wouldn't make it right or encyclopedic, just massively needed to be
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Where someone is born does not identify their nationality. Scotland does definately have a national identitiy within the UK, but many English people identify with scottish national/cultural symbols like tartans, kilts and bagpipes etc, without themselves actually being scottish, and vice versa many
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Many people's primary identification is with the UK, not with a constituent nation. You are wrong to presume that someone who was born in Scotland is Scottish. Billy Connolly is known as a Scottish comedian, Ronnie Corbett is not, nor is Graeme Garden. Putting people into an ethnic box is POV. Many
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Scotland isn't a sovereign nation. Readers of an encyclopedia expect "Nationality" to give them the sovereign nation, the U.N. member, the passport -- which is UK/British. There is no Scotland at the U.N., and no Scot passport. This is unencyclopedic, and playing on words, the UK's internal affairs
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Insulting all the editors of Knowledge as being too young to 'get it' is lame. It's quite simple, it's been explained over and over again. At this point, all I can see is some sort of bizarre POV thing going on. You ignore EVERYONE, and repeatedly declare YOU are right, and YOU are the only one who
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is a policy. You will need to convince enough people to override the consensus there, and that involves using convincing arguments, not repeating personal attacks such as "by sense". Law has nothing to do with those cases where Knowledge policy is stricter than law. In other language Wikipedias,
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There is no consensus to indef-block ... there are two distinct groups of users who want different outcomes. A lot of admins have expressed disquiet about jumping straight to an indef block, and I think that the current situation is saying that we as a group stuffed up over the past year and failed
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Arbcom and RFC are not the only routes to long terms blocks, in fact I'd bet all the money in my pocket that more long term/indef blocks were done without Arbcom or RFC involvement than with their involvement. And as far as taking two to tango you're right. Consistent edit warriors need to be shown
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I also object to arbitrary banings of long time users. Established users should be given a chance to improve or correct their behavior and should only be permanently banned after a long period of ignoring the rules, incivility, edit warring, pov pushing, tenditious edition and with a corresponding
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is that he's edit warring with someone. Honestly, we do not need users like him who disrupt the project in the long run by constantly pushing their own point of view in their edits and causing drama by constantly gaming the system by feeling that he's entitled to X amount of reverts a day (three is
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I don't think any of the other editors were nearly as disruptive as Giovanni33: Stalking, using socks, evading blocks, filing false 3RR reports, and whatnot. Other editors have already stated that Giovanni33 appears to be stalking John Smith's. Giovanni33 appears to be a user, whose major purpose
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There was a block in June that was overturned. Another in August, then this one. So prior to this he had 1 in about a year. YOu also should have acknowledged how many of those blocks in the past you were involved in as the block admin, then later seemed to bump into Giovanni again while not one. So
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Just a procedural comment - Rather than unblocking and re-blocking for the original duration I might suggest leaving a note to the user of your intent to remove the block after the original duration has expired. Avoids further cluttering the block log and reduces the possibility of wheel-warring by
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We need to separate issues here. The issue of contentious text in the article ("copra") has nothing to do with the deletion of references for non-contentious text. We are talking about references being deleted for non-disputed text. I, more than anyone else, over the past few months have called for
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I agree, it does go both ways. However, Lester knows full well that a lot of people consider that article an attack article. Two weeks ago I emailed him a whole lot of articles he could use instead to reference that statement but instead he insists on using the one article that is most contentious.
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The original research was under a section titled "Inaccuracies in survival advice." That is to say, you had sources that said "not x," you had the television show in which Bear said "x," and you therefore inappropriately synthesized the material into a section that effectively says "Bear is wrong."
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you will clearly see how I was trying to do this the correct way. Anyhow, if you think Rei is talking about an edit war, don't put my name into this. It's clear enough to see that I created the discussion to prevent any conflicts when editing the article. You're assuming bad faith on me, when I did
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Irpen, I don't think you are well-served to argue the concept of "blocks in perpetuity" (debunked by ArbCom on many an occasion) with a user specializing in "Pokémon species". I'm not a Pokémon species, thankfully. There are about 2000 administrators, the vast majority of which are clueless, to put
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You've been blocked for 3RR twice before, one time it was undone. And the word was sought, and many admins agreed with my decision; in the end, I decided there were too many extenuating factors to continue having my name on the block. That does not mean you get to either resume being disruptive, or
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Mostly agree with everything Eagle said, including that 3RR is not an entitlement. One can be blocked for under 3RR revert warring in general? Is this what happened? Because it was said that it was a 3RR violation block. Next, we are not discussing the "whatever issues" that belong to talk here. We
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Irpen, if I had abused my admin powers in the past, I'd have lost the admin status. That never happened. Yes, some people - yourself included - were unhappy about my actions. But the community saw no need to take any action - so please stop slandering me with your accusations that I abused my admin
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This bot was running September 5. and 6. and managed to mess up citations on more than 500 articles (by substituting "fn/fnb" tags with "ref/note" in such a way that the notes are messed up). In addition to ordinary articles, also User pages, Archived pages and Knowledge Guidelines were messed up.
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received a 24-hour lock relating to a dispute relating to the change of header image (the one in which he/she keeps insisting on changing has been rejected for reasons relating to an improper fair use rationale and failure on the acceptable image content criterion), but after the lock was done the
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was created and immediately started editing the same exact changes into the article. They hit 3 reverts on the 12th and I warned them; if they were a sock of Shanebb that would have been a 3RR violation. Shanebb continued editing in the same pattern right after I 3RR warned CheckLips. CheckLips
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And sorry for asking another, but I would really like to know what are our policies or guidelines or arbitration cases about this topic? When I posted this, I only expected an admin to brandish a WP:SOMETHING that would lay down the law on the matter -- not a POV discussion about whether someone's
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So IMO both are conflict of interest, yet he didn't self-disclose it. Especially since he's advocating something that's never done in any dictionary or encyclopedia I've ever seen, that is replacing "British" with "Scottish" for the nationality field. How am I trying "to intimidate another editor"
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that a city/club moved from "West Germany" in 1989 to "Germany" in 1991, skipping the 1990 season in the process, too. I have encountered so many ridiculous mistakes and misuses on Knowledge that I have decided to tackle this problem, which mainly consists of the attitude "we've gotten used to our
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Completely agree that Giovanni shouldn't be "released from any responsibility" - but that does not necessary mean he should get an indefinite block just because few admins has lost patience with him. To be honest, it makes me question the integrity of the admin population if they make such severe
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We have the Arbcom and editor review at RfC. Decisions become arbitrary when an admin gets a bee in their bonnet and can't be bothered to go through the proper channels. Be honest - if you don't think they did the job properly last year when they didn't ban him just say so. Other editors have been
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Sorry, but I do not at all see a consensus here for an indef block, particularly since the discussion is ongoing. In addition to El C's objection above I objected below and I also see objections from Proabivouac, Chaser, Lar, HongQiGong, and CBDunkerson. Several folks have proposed a long-term 1RR
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Sorry, no, I object to having this longstanding edit war 'solved' by effectively siding with/against one of the two main participants. I'm going to be unblocking and reimposing Dmcdevit's original block. If you're going to seek probation, fine, or if you're going to be issuing concrete ultimatums,
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There was no "scramble" to do anything. I simply replaced the Marr article with one you and I both already had in an attempt to put an end to this ridiculous edit warring. It has nothing to do with you and Brendan misusing ANI. You might have noticed that your complaints have been ignored by other
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Lester, that is an editorial issue, not administrative. If you find someone has broken a reference while editing, fix it and if the same person breaks one again, just tell them; they most likely don't realise they are doing it. This only becomes an administrative issue if you are claiming policies
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And who are these "outside opinions", apart from Someguy1221 who weighed in just minutes ago? If you'll check the talk page, you'll notice that the is quite blank (it was interrupted by someone who started a section for the specific purpose of attacking me). I welcome outside opinions, and I've
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Ghirlandajo, I apologize if my comment seemed insulting. I meant what I said in the most literal sense: that you had been blocked before; I did not mean to imply whether you deserved it or not, just that it happened. This was due partially to my partial misreading of your previous statement, and I
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Three out-of-process deletions of pages are "nothing wrong", while "cool-down" blocks of established contributors made without prior conversation or warning on IRC advice, with a taunting block summary like "you aren't getting that courtesy, etc." are perfectly consistent with our blocking policy,
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From what I've seen, the block is definitely justified. Move wars are far more disruptive than edit wars. From what I can tell by looking through the splintered move history, Ghirla moved the page multiple times and was reverted by multiple editors. When you get reverted multiple times by multiple
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Getting back on subject, I do believe Piotrus' deletion of the page in question to engage in moving the page again may have indeed been inappropriate, as he was using admin tools to make way for the move to his preferred version of the article, then followed by a revert of Ghirla's edits. But yes,
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Swatjester, please stay on topic. My "crusade" has nothing to do with this. Violation is unclear. If allegation was brought in plain view, we could have discussed it and see its merit. This is exactly why it was snitched at IRC, to achieve the block rather than give the matter a due consideration.
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Personally I think this has been brought up in the right place. The user who brought it to our attention skipped the usual process of actually getting an edit war underway by bringing the matter up before it got that far, but it would have ended up as an edit war without some kind of intervention
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Knowledge is an encylopedia, surely it is therefore a venue for nitpicking? Its being discussed here as this is where it has arisen for various reasons, there is no need to take it to the village pump because its really quite an open and shut case. Scotland is not a sovereign nation. While it may
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even in those cases where we think we're reflecting genuine differences. This is a problem that will get worse as en-WP attracts more and more members of minorities - some of their grievances will undoubtedly be genuine - but others will simply be malicious. Articles don't need it - objecting to "
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and a map, and then tell which team, if any, should be called "West German". How come that the peaceful access of a state to the FRG in 1957 is overlooked by you while the peaceful access of five states to the FRG in 1990 is treated as a bigger deal than the border changes between the World Wars?
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in which many revealed both ignorance and Anti-German attitude). Links to this POV article had been planted in over 200 articles, a number which was reduced by me recently. It is ArtVandelay13 (and others) who makes many destructive POV-pushing edits that go against consensus by reverting like in
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may i suggest you give him a small 2nd level warning about changing your comment (give a proper reference) and hopefully that'll be the end of it. if you havn't submitted any previous warnings, there is no room for sanction. p.s. best i'm aware "gun freak" and "freak" are not on the same level of
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Everyone is quoting Knowledge policies except the ones that say that the encyclopedic content is more important than the policies! Is the intent really that community consensus should enable putting policy ahead of article quality? Seriously, what is it going to take to get the policy out of this
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was his pledge 6 weeks ago on a 3RR/edit warring transgression that went unblocked. A few weeks later, he was blocked again for edit warring with a different editor on a different article. That block was reduced by El_C. This weeks edit war was with yet a different editor, a different blocking
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All due respect though, why were more extensive blocks (as in months-long or year-long block) not considered before jumping to an indefinite block? Or how about a 1 revert/article/week enforcement? I agree that his continued edit warring is a serious matter, there's no question about that. But
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Skyring(Pete) is suggesting that it's OK to delete references because he didn't like the newspaper article that was used for the reference, and he suggests I should have found a different one. Let me turn that around. Why didn't Skyring put some effort into finding a reference himself? That's the
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What rubbish. Since the start of the year I've made two reverts of the "copra" link, one administrative revert after blocking people for a 3RR violation, a couple of vandalism reverts, and a couple of edits swapping references. You, on the other hand, seem to have restored the "Copra" text in one
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Twaddle indeed. Sarah, you and the rest of the minority of editors that oppose any plantation inclusion (however brief) keep denying consensus without ever explaining what your interpretation of consensus actually is in this instance. Go through the reams of conversation, starting in the archived
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The underlying problem is the failure of folks to take lessons from what's going on this noticeboard. Each month we have longish threads revolving around drama blocks made purposefully to inflame a situation rather than defuse it. Each time it turns out that they serve no useful purpose, and each
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Who cares how the issue is brought to an administrators' attention? Just because it's IRC which you obviously have something against does not make the later block completely invalid. Like I stated at Ghirla's talk page, there's no difference if this was brought up towards an administrator at AN3,
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Desysopping requires severe and systematic abuse, Piotrus. You know that perfectly. Your rarely use your admin tools as unlike some admins, you write a lot. That itself is a good thing. I view your editing habits, while in part problematic, separately from your admin habits. They have some common
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With no disrespect to the user, it looks like neuro damage to me, like someone that's been in a really bad car accident at some point. Someone I knew at school went like this, one quirk which is similar to this person is repetition of similar or inverted forms, eg the "complex" bit in the diff. I
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I noticed he and the IP were exchanging nasty comments, reported the IP, and warned him, because the way I saw it, he was being just as nasty as the troll. However, I noticed that the troll was goating him, so I didn't report him instantly. I was trying to stop the trolling on both sides. If you
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Scotland maintains a distinct national identity. That it's part of a bigger thing doesn't negate that it's a nation. It's article says it's a nation. It calls itself a nation, and maintains a national archives distinct from that of the UK archives and distinct of English Archives. Demanding such
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It has to be accepted that "West German(y)" is an informal name which might be used for additional information, but never in lieu of a correct name - surely not in an encyclopedia, unless it aspires to mirror the sloppiness of mainstream media like tabloid newspapers. While it is okay to mention
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as well as their formal titles. The appropriate English language names for both countries are established in the principle WP articles, and therefore those conventions are to be followed. Ultimately, consensus is against you - multiple editors are reverting you and you are in the minority in the
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I support the block of both parties. I reviewed this report myself last night and thought both parties should be blocked given the gaming and the very clear warning they were given not to resume edit warring once the protection expired, but I didn't respond to the report myself because of my own
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Instead of taking that incident as a warning, he's continued the exact same behavior that's gotten him in trouble many times in the past. I have to agree with Dmcdevit, Durova, etc etc that it's time to stop enabling this kind of editing. I'm not really impressed with the excuse that "others are
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I wish to report that the deletion of references has stopped. I think the mere mention of the incident on the ANi has resulted in it stopping. There has also been a scramble to replace references with alternate ones. So I'm happy if this has resulted in a change in behaviour from those involved.
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The article lists a number of biographies of John Howard. Has done for a long time. Page 9 of the Barnett/Goward book includes the material about John Howard and his mother that you are getting upset about. Kindly stop wasting everyone's time with contrived wikilawyering. You have shown yourself
3514:. I'd like to inform you that, in Knowledge, we discuss issues robustly and openly, and there is no way we'll stop doing that until some sort of conclusion is reached. The matter at hand is frivolous deletion of three pages. I don't see how it qualifies as a "realm of personal attacks", sorry. -- 11812:
In response to your general point, an admin should know (and almost invariably does) when an action could be construed as controversial, and knows they have the option to seek an outside opinion before acting. From what you have outlined above, it may have been appropriate for Lexicon to do so.
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This is the English language Knowledge, and the common English name for The Federal Republic of Germany until 1990 was West Germany, as opposed to East Germany for the The German Democratic Republic. Of course term West Germany was unknown within the Federal Republic, since they term the nation
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Giovanni33's last block in August was discussed on AN/I. An admin pretty much unilaterally decided to reduce the block. G33 was in an edit war with a different user on a different article and the block was made originally by a different admin than the ones here. The discussion here appears to
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He does deserve an extended block, but an indefinite block is the end-all-be-all block. So how about a less arbitrary process in imposing it? Maybe other avenues need to be explored, from months-long blocks to a one-year block. But an indefinite block? It would be nice if there was a formal
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a year ago... when he was being blocked on a weekly basis? He has gotten better, but since he has not achieved perfection he should be banned entirely? Such an approach seems to suggest that a user can never 'recover' from bad behaviour... it is just a cumulative tally leading to their eventual
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Recently published articles about John Howard's early life often contain a references to the "copra" issue. The most recent best-selling biography of Howard mentions the copra issue. Are the people above suggesting that it's OK to delete any references about any subject matter sourced from that
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The matter is not so trivial as you try to represent it here. The page was protected from recreation, although nobody tried to recreate it, as far as I know. Furthermore, it was deleted rather controversially, from the second attempt, when the main contributor was away from the project. I don't
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Here is my thoughts, folks were editing disruptively, nobody can deny that. Moving a page 3 times (and presumably having someone else or another group moving it back at least 2 times) is disruptive. Folks, we all know the English language, we all know how to talk to each other using the English
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Ghirlandajo was doing more then moving the article :he was changing the content so that it was completely different from the previous article with his stated justification being the new title, while making it impossible to restore original title by creatng a disamb page with the same name. This
2349:- what Suva well described as 'trying to hijack an ANI discussion') is certainly not what we expect from our editors. PS. I have no idea how IRC is related to this discussion, I was certainly not using it today - why do I feel it's another attempt to turn this 'off topic'? PPS. I find the title 8645:
Of course Scotland is a nation (especially as far as international sports bodies are concerned) and a historical kingdom - the United Kingdom originally being those of England and Scotland. Also, there are sufficient cultural, legal and educational differences to establish separate identities.
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German team as simply Germany. But you have to accept that, in English, "West Germany" is the most common name for the country, and its teams, by an overwhelming majority, up to and including th most official records and most mainstream media. The English language Knowledge has to reflect this.
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Broken references/links/missing reference holes were an admin issue, not a content issue, as I had no power to stop it. If I hadn't listed it for ANi, there would still be broken things and holes in the article. The activity has stopped since I listed it on the ANi, so I guess the players know
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So fix it. If I somehow broke a reference, then I didn't do it intentionally. As noted in my edit summaries, I was cleaning out the copra, which you keep on inserting without consensus. Look, here's some advice which took me a lot of pain to find out for myself. Administrators are just regular
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It's not a dispute about the content of the article text. It's about repeated deleting of references. References are being deleted from paragraphs in the article that are not in dispute, just because the reference newspaper story also mentions the disputed subject (Copra plantations). So we're
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Lol? I wanted to avoid the dispute resolution because no reasonable person wants to go through it. People looking to get into long, drawn-out arguments might want to, but I would much rather settle the dispute on the talk page with the involved editors. I think this is a much better and easier
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then she crossed that line also). She finally left the topic after two editors pointed out to her how thoroughly unacceptable these methods were: among other things she had misidentified the author of her leading source. I find it disappointing, but certainly not surprising, that her conduct
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I dealt with Rei briefly in late '05 to early '06 and her MO was to edit war while referring to (but never actually citing) a few marginal sources. The POV she advocated had been originally proposed by a nonspecialist three quarters of a century earlier and thoroughly rejected by the academic
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I was not requesting that anyone get blocked in order to cool down. I was suggesting that people take the time to cool down on their own accord. If you feel that my posts were useless, however, than I shall simply refrain from continuing in this discussion. That's all you really needed to say.
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With that out of the way, I do not see how my preference in editing Pokemon species articles has anything to do at all with my ability to comprehend an explanation, nor what it has to do with my standing as a Wikipedian editor at all. I can't blame you for losing your cool like that, given the
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Who "hijacked" the page is a separate issue, Suva, and it's not Ghirla who "hijacks" and "owns" not just this page but a set of them created in a rabid spree. There was no 3RR either. Your choice to act through IRC is deplorable. There is an AN3 for a good reason where the accused may face the
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for who is running the well-organized campaign against the wikipedia contributors. As you can see Piotrus was "gunning" for Ghirla for years and for me for several months. I am looking forward for your appreciation of our "managing to be productive" while being subject to such a meticulous and
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Vecrumba, when you, as it seemed called the editors who disagree with you "schumtz" repeatedly, I did raise the issue. This is not the same as calling some statement bullshit. You explained at that very thread later that by schmutz you meant the situation, not people. I never said a word after
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yet let slide Ghirla's "bullshit" and unsourced allegations of editor misconduct and collusion with not a peep. And don't you and Ghirla tire of your permanent campaign against Piotrus? Really, he's not going to roll over and play dead for you. And he manages to be productive despite your best
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I can see no effort to clean up the "vandalized" articles. User Alpta has archived the discussions on his userpage, after stating, "I will have to pass this robot task onto another operator. I thought that this was a simple "find and replace" robot task. The templates might have to be updated
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Wait what? The only "IRCer" here is Golbez (until now, zomg). From what I've read just now (on this page), Ghirlandajo was editting tedentiously and unilaterally moved a page without any discussion on its talk page. In addition to that, Ghirla replaced Suva's thread concerning his actions at
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Ghirlandajo opposed the current article and without any discussion changed its title, while creating a stub that made it impossible to change it back to the previous name. Then he started to change and delete content of the article, justifyng it by the new title saying "its not about Soviets
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running up 20/30 blocks for 3RR before anyone takes any serious action other than a day's enforced wikibreak? For one thing, many admins do not implement 3RR blocks in an escalating manner, so it seems, and just continue to add on another 24 hours of enforced wikibreak to the block log. This
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I assure you that I was never blocked for 3RR, I generally pursue the policy of 1RR, and I could never imagine that two page moves could be bundled together with two ordinary edits to represent it as a 3RR violation. I still don't understand how one could count a page move as identical to a
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To JzG/Guy: about "British (Scottish) is OK, if a bit weaselly", I believe that no peace will come if we just try to impose the sovereign citizenship only, and also that it's often accurate and useful to mention subnationalities or local ethnies that have their own identity or a history of
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decisions based simply because they've lost patience. Something should be done about Giovanni, yes. But an indef block on an editor without going through ArbCom? I would disagree with that even for editors that I dislike. It's not like Giovanni was vandalising or making legal threats.
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I infer as much, but I can't find where the redirect was nominated for deletion. I am told that Digwuren replaced the redirect with {{db|recreation of deleted article}}, in an effort to mislead the administrators. It's a pity that they did not care to check the veracity of his assertions.
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To Figaro: you can't rewrite the article's edit history, you didn't "commented that Graeme Garden was born in Scotland", you deleted thrice the word British in "Nationality: British (Scottish)". And the fact that most Knowledge articles are currently owned by ethnic warriors (such as our
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You can't reduce the entire English-speaking world to "tabloid newspapers" - Knowledge is an encyclopedia, and should aspire to accuracy, and that does not mean disagreeing with FIFA and the IOC over who won its tournaments. NB the error with that Rummenigge article is nothing to do with
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I'm concerned that this scenario will lead to an increase in block shopping either here or on IRC, but otherwise I'm all for it. Nixer's case is quite instructive, as it took me more than a year to have him sent away from Knowledge for good. Another case that needs to be recalled here is
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It never hurts to have a word with another wikipedian before rushing to press the button, especially when he has never been blocked for 3RR before. There was neither warning nor 3RR report. I will question the wisdom of anyone who approves IRC-prompted blocks of established contributors.
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seems...strange. Perhaps a system whereby after 7 non-overturned blocks for edit-warring/3RR, a bot automatically leaves a note here informing us that this is so? Then we can decide what action to take, rather than letting unrepentant edit warriors get away with it time and time again.
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I believe all these put toghether raises the question of how ethical it is for an administrator, who as been involved with a user in a number of disputes, to block the user following a personal request by another editor, without consulting any other admin or leaving any notes on AN/I.
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Not when the policy exists to keep Knowledge compliant with copyright law. If there were no other picture, you'd have a good fair use rationale, but being that a free picture exists, even if it doesn't show her in the act of acting, would make it difficult to sustain using fair use as
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is an upper limit on disruption, if you read it closely it will note exactly that, you are not entitled to 3 reverts. Now my suggestion here is the lot of you go and discuss whatever issue set this off on the talk pages, and remember we are all trying to write a good encyclopaedia. ——
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What the legal team has left out is that I believe other Knowledge policies, including WP:IGNORE, Use Common Sense and "don't follow rules mindlessly", support showing an actor acting. Are you an admin? Who do you report to in the Knowledge hierarchy? I wish to file an appeal with
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Well, lot's of things matter and block log cannot tell the full story. The unfair or abusive block that brought an apology or a desysopping equally stay in the log forever. Just an additional reason to not use blocks on the whim AND to check the wider context than the block log.
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I have been at wiki IRC half a year ago maybe two times, Irpen, didn't use IRC since then. What happened here was Ghirlandajo forcefully naming article to change its content, and blocking restoration of its original name. He was blocked just for 3RR as result. Not even disruption
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Canvassing on Knowledge talk pages to edit war articles is a bad thing. Likewise, I would assume canvassing on other Web sites to edit war on Knowledge articles would also be a bad thing. If I am right, are there ramifications for those who do? To be more specific, I've removed
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I see what you're getting at, but even after several explanations on various Wiki morales to him he/she still insisted to do certain bits of stuff around here. The image isn't the only issue - sometimes he/she applies false information to pages, has a potential sockpuppet with
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Both editors go up to 3 deletions per day, which is not enough for 3RR. I have warned both editors, in the edit summary window, as well as on their talk pages, but the reference deleting continues. I request administrator assistance for 2 reasons: To revert the current edit by
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this to be the case). Anyway, the fact that we have disagreement between us still points to a content dispute. My stance remains that this is mainly an unfortunate misunderstanding of good-faith edits, and that it can be sorted out on the talk page of the article in question.
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I do not wish to get a free image license; I'm not against the idea in general, but this has become much more important than the issue of the one image. The anti-fair-use people are saying we can't use an entire broad category of images to which, by both sense and law, we are
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Just clarify the situation about Nixer he was not banned until I caught him abusing his socks and even then I doubt he would have been banned if he hadn't used them to evade his previous blocks. In fact, Zoe's indef block was overturned by Sir Nick despite his huge block log.
3035:. It does not matter who is "at fault" when you are blocked for 3RR. If you are blocked, that means that an administrator has reviewed the case and determined that you have violated the policy. It has nothing to do with who was right, who was wrong, and who used sockpuppets. 12803:
While assuming good faith, it's interesting that a new user is using edit summaries well and has gone right up to 3RR but stopped without a 3RR warning, isn't it? I don't usually follow these articles so I don't know their histories well, but this person may be wearing new
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Canvassing is inappropriate regardless of where it's done, on or off-wiki. The same is true of harassment and personal attacks. I don't know about consequences — since there doesn't seem to be any substantive harm now, but a polite reminder would probably be a good idea.
7098:. This requires a ruling from the highest possible level. If the highest people at Knowledge really support the other point of view, then fine, I'm out of here, but I need to hear that to believe it. I remain convinced that the anti-fair-use people are misinterpreting. -- 2403:
Apparently bullshit is not as offensive as schmutz. I have not seen anything disruptive from Molobo. Actually, with the ban of Vlad Fedorov, our side (if there is such a thing, really, just editors who prefer to cite sources, not opinions as fact) would appear to be up by
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by a newly registered account in English Knowledge. Enough is enough. I'm surprised at the facile attitude of our sysops who refuse to investigate the defiant avoidance of the block on Molobo's part, preferring to persecute myself on the urging of IRC regulars like Suva.
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Most of it's from last year, when he was by all accounts (and by his own admission) completely disruptive. I only took a small look at the recent dispute centered around MTUS, but it didn't seem at all obvious to me that he was wrong about content, or conducting himself
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Finding references for each sentence in a Knowledge article can be an extremely time consuming task. For someone to just remove the references from a biography, just because they didn't like the way a news report treated some other subject, is to me an act of vandalism.
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I really don't think the fact that I am a member of the project makes any difference when I have disclsed the more important point, that I am biased because I belive that it should state he is Scottish (as apposed to the fact that my nationality/project affinity merely
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well as detractions but it highlights the difference between the two noticeboards. CSN is geared towards achieving consensus while AN/I is geared towards solving problems requiring immediate admin intervention and is primarily consultative, not consensus based. --
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Seems fairly straightforward to me as there is clearly a British identify, all be it there are scottish and welsh etc. subcultural identies. But many scottish/irish/welsh/english people identifiy primarily as british - infact most probably do, and culture is largely
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Now, after that hard work, imagine how I feel when some people take it upon themselves to start deleting those references. The deleted references are not from some flat-earth quackery website. The deleted references were all from major Australian newspapers, such as
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find what he saw as a 3RR violation, and block Ghirlandajo. Suva also brought this up here, but Ghirlandajo removed it claiming a "massive edit conflict" which occurred twenty minutes after Suva made his/her post to ANI, and was well before Ghirlandajo was blocked.—
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as well, it is quite old, I forgot all about it until I saw Nwwaew's message. Thanks a lot, sorry for the extra work. If you do not want to do it, I can take care of them later (hopefully correctly, and I hope 'later' is soon), but I need some sleep at the moment.
3532:"personal attacks" is not the right phrase, but this is getting nowhere if Piotr suddenly takes everything offensively and you shoot every messenger that does not particularly support your stance. This has nothing at all to do with the deleted pages at this point. 1973:
Thank you for your personal attack. I just saw Allied Occupation of Europe in my watchlist again, and my bullshit detector went off. If it were someone else who would have done something like that, I would have acted exactly the same. No need to get personal here.
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The problem is that it's too far down in the history for oversight, and there are too many revisions that need to be zapped. So I've done two things - I've deleted the suggester's edit, and I've courtesy blanked the section. This way it doesn't show up on Google.
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Including the IP? I was threatened with the promise she'd harass me through my talk page as an anon, and my talk page is semi-protected because of BlackStarRock sockpuppets, leaving WODUP as the only other possible victim since he was the one with the banhammer.
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The end result here, and this is what the complaint is about, is that breaking references makes the online Knowledge article look bad. Look at all the broken and missing references linked above. Is this good? No. This is why I referred the issue for Administrator
4028:, even if it does appear on other articles. As for the person who Rei claims is "daily watching" her, Fredrick Day simply came across a discussion on Rei's Web site that is easily found simply by clicking on "recent changes" on the side of her Web site. Cheers. ~ 2665:
I DID report it to AN/I, but it apparently got deleted. I didn't count the reverts, as I only reverted him once. And yes, discussion is important. You just don't retask actively edited page which is in the scope of several wikiprojects and being worked towards GA
5377:, it usually gets blocked once we find it. I am sure, however, there are unidentified socks out there editing peacefully after having turned a new leaf... and that's fine by me. For the record I'd support such a parole in this case. But then I'm a big softie. ++ 5340:
I looked at only the discussion on Korean War, not the reverts, so I don't contest what you say. Only that Giovanni seemed reasonable and his general contention that the book is revisionism (though I might personally be inclined to agree with it) seems sound to
11128:. Warning was given after 1st edit. It would seem reasonable to completely remove all evidence if this is possible. I don't know if this is the correct place as reporting problems is so fragmented and difficult on WP and as it's not now a current incident the 7892:
is in the process of making a large number of highly destructive edits that go against consensus, both on WP and in the English speaking world in general. It's widely accepted that between 1945 and 1990, the Federal Republic of Germany was known in English as
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Also note, Taprobanus gave Lexicon a barnstar a few days before the first "warning", Iwazaki has never been blocked on Knowledge for any reason before (he has been contributing since July 2006) and Lexicon hasn't blocked a user on Knowledge since the 13th of
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If not an indef block than at the very least something more than just a day or two. He may not have 'been a problem for nine months', but he still has an extensive history of being blocked for this sort of thing. Someone somewhere has to put their foot down.
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fair-use content. We're talking about images uploaded in good faith by editors who added good -- but not lawyer-perfect -- fair-use rationales, the imperfections of which have nothing to do with the prima facie legitimacy of the images' use on Knowledge.
4941:(Melbourne), and they all made some reference to "copra". The broken/missing references were making the Wiki article look bad. Sometimes the anchor reference would be deleted, leaving all the downstream ones broken. It probably happened 20-30 times or more. 9580:
blocked the underlying IP, there would have been a note to that effect in the block log. The IP can't be blocked for longer than 24 hours though, so s/he may show up later. There really isn't anything we can do about that until they make themselves known.
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Just for the record I also object to the arbitrary banning of a long time editor. The double standards shown here and the clutching at straws smack of a kangaroo court. If there is a problem with an editor then that is what the RfC and RfAr channels for.
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Piotrus, you did abuse the admin tools in the past. Unblocking your friends rightfully blocked for disruption is one of ways. Polish names issues is another one. But I agree that those happened in relatively remote past. This incident refreshed those old
7897:, even if its official name never changed and even if the name was less widely used in Germany itself. The same also applies to its national sporting teams. Matthead believes that we should simply refer to the teams as Germany, and we debated this issue 3686:, and has attempted to put in OR numerous times in an attempt to prove that the show is "fake," going so far as to start her own wiki in an attempt to accomplish that goal. It is obvious that she will go to extraordinary means to accomplish this goal. -- 8691:
True, but not truly relevant. British (Scottish) is OK, if a bit weaselly, but I've never heard Garden identify himself as Scottish and the only time I met him his accent was barely discernible. (aside: TBT is much shorter than he looks on the radio).
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The football team remained the same in 1990. The "common English" separation into pre-1990 "West German nft" and post-1990 "German nft" is artificial, and not backed up by any serious source. It is informal, like calling the early-1950s Hungarian nft
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have been deleting references about other aspects of the Australian Prime Minister's life, because somewhere in those newspaper articles is a mention of the Howard's copra plantations. The deleted references were all from major Australian newspapers.
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That would also explain the concern with others signing their comments. For the sighted, it is a simple thing to click on the history tab and see who made the edit. On the other hand, if you have to have it read to you, what an ordeal that must be.
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Thank you for pointing to WP:AWB. I am not familiar with that tool, but as far as I could see, that tool gives rather limited assistance. Still every single article has to be manually edited and checked. And the list of messed-up articles is already
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had added a few minutes before. The subject of the text has nothing to do with "copra". Some time later, after my complaints, he returned to the article and added a different reference, though the replacement didn't adequately cover all the subject
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wanting to get information into Knowledge that happened to be something I had already been defending on the article (but had stopped while awaiting outside comments). I told Tasco O that I had been avoiding putting that sort of stuff in because I
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After editting the page myself and seeing Shanebb's edits to the talk page to my response and undoing some of my edits to the article itself, I have indefinitely blocked him for a long span of tedentious editting, skewing of POV, and overall edit
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where it can be archived as a case study in how to address a difficult but established editor. My own position on the matter is that editors do not earn a get out of jail free pass or a license to edit war by crossing some threshold and becoming
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doing it too", and letting him evade responsibility for his behavior again is just enabling more of the same. The only special or unequal treatment I'm seeing here is that people are still making excuses for a guy with his record of edit-warring,
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reverts of the same user, across multiple articles in a short time span without any intervening discussion could be less obvious that he is "conducting himself poorly." Two of those articles have not even seen edits to their talk pages in months.
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The "copra plantation" info is currently the subject of an RfC. Regardless of what anyone thinks of the RfC or "copra plantation" info, the deletion of other references on other subject matter is a separate matter, and a wilful act of vandalism.
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Deleting the vandal's edit but allowing page versions that contain the libel to exist violates the GFDL and will probably implicate the wrong person or IP as the vandal who did the libel. However, removing the libel from the live view is kosher.
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Images that simply show what living people look like are replaceable non-free content and cannot be used. I recommend that Geno contact Ms. Hamilton's management and request that they provide a free image. There is a great guide to doing so at
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BTW I've posted an unblock offer to Giovanni33's user talk page. Basically I'm asking him to put together some proposal for lesser sanctions. I'll propose that to the community on his behalf and if the community accepts it I'll lift the indef.
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All of the diffs I cited (above) resulted in broken and missing references, which were showing up as missing holes in the Reference section. Sometimes there were holes resulting from more than one reference missing, but they were all either from
4580:(as I want to stay out of this edit war); and to help stop this deletion of references (maybe a user block would allow those editors to cool off, and give the other editors a break from having to continually repair broken or deleted references). 3247:
Just because you disagree with an admin doesn't mean their abusing their tools. If I looked from your point of view, you're abusing your edit rights and should be banned off the project. So think twice before throwing allegations of admin abuse.
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I'm so glad to see DMC back on this noticeboard with the threads like this one that I would definitely support an indef block. In a similar vein last year, Dmcdevit imposed a one-year block on Molobo, who nevertheless continued editing from his
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then the RfC. Between them, a majority of editors making favourable comments for at least a brief inclusion of the plantation fact is evident (including me, Lester2, Shot info, Aussieboy, hamiltonstone, Peter Ballard, Lord Chao and Hornplease).
3201:(who apparently read IRC more often than ANI) persist in deleting the redirect which has never been nominated for deletion (neither was the article it linked to). It is disturbing how widespread and facile abuse of admin privileges has grown. -- 12621:
Andranikpasha, I checked your images, they seem to be wrongly tagged. Also, as far as I know, we cannot have images that are even free for non-commercial use. I don't think we should be able to keep the ones that are free for say informational
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German football teams that competed in FIFA sanctioned matches and tournaments (and played against each other?) The fact that the current national team retains the title of one of those entities does not mean that the former owner of the name
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Finally, I'm not sure what would happen if the board of trustees said it was OK, they don't involve themselves in the writing of the encyclopdia or editorial matters. Knowledge works by consensus, there's no single higher power to appeal to.
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allowed to walk away from accounts with clouds hanging over them but Gio is stuck with a long history that comes back to haunt him. One person doesn't edit war by themselves and perm banning someone for reporting 3RR is breathtakingly unfair.
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Oh~ I am sorry. I run "interwiki.py -continue -autonomous". what happen? I stopped my interwiki bot. It is a bot program's error? I use pywikipedia bot SVN. version is new. what happen?? I am not programmer. I don't know why, how, etc. :( --
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just popped up on my watchlist. It is an image into which actual work was put into setting up a fair-use rationale (valid and perfectly defensible, by the way), but whose rationale was still imperfect per the current fair-use guidelines.
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As far as the intersection of seemingly contradictory policies, that's where you need consensus to figure out the best way to proceed. Consensus can obviously change, but I've always found consensus here to be toward using a free image when
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Thanks again for the input, Someguy1221! One minor difference with your presentation: the had no "Bob is wrong" section, or at least had the goal of not having a "Bob is wrong" section (wording changes welcomed). Does that still fit your
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However, I am not personally well-versed in the finer details, nor have we heard from Lexicon here hence I pass no judgement. So, with regard to your specific point, if you feel this merits further examination you may wish to head over to
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policy and the rest of the Knowledge community. I've explained to you why what I removed entailed improper synthesis, but you've ignored it; you've been unwilling to comprehend it. Already, third party editors on the talk page agree with
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You are being mistaken, Ryulong. Golbez was not the only party who discussed this over IRC. Someone brought it up to IRC while this board is available. And there is a 3RR board, rather than an IRC channel, designated for 3RR allegations.
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eras of Emperor Wilhelm, Weimar Republic, and Hitler. Its history continued after WW2, as accepted by FIFA in 1950, as well as in 1990 when the separate East Germany disappeared. Some people have pushed their view by trying to establish
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first commented that he would restore the original 48 hour block, a consensus has formed that this indefinite block is appropriate. However, I am concerned that El_C has decided to ignore consensus based on this edit to Giovanni's talk
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Piotr's attempt to derail discussion of his out-of-process deletions to his favourite subject of civility is pathetic. There's no denying that he deleted a valid page to make a point. Abuse is abuse, and he should face the consequences.
2028:, Eastern Europe was "occupied" while Western Europe was "liberated", although there was no material difference between the two. The page is a farrago of tenuously related or totally disconnected events, such as the Soviet liberation of 4970:, and the SMH / Age article came up at the top of the list. Skyring(Pete) suggests (above) that a better reference would have been Page 9 of an offline book written by Barnett/Goward (author 'Goward' is a member of John Howard's staff). 12163:
I didn't jump into the previous Betacommandbot rows because the bot was doing painful, but necessary, work in clearing out images with grossly incomplete fair-use rationales, images with a real possibility being liabilities. However,
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None of what he's said to you seems to approach a personal attack... sharp criticism isn't a personal attack. On the other hand, your use of "you will be blocked" templates on regulars is generally something interpreted as being rude.
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This clearly isn't going to get through to Matthead, so I'd say to the admins that the sheer number of edits are difficult for mere users to revert, and it's difficult to see that Matthead can be stopped mere debate and conversation.
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UBeR, I don't know how many times I have to mention this, but you are not the ultimate arbitrer of Knowledge and all of its policies. When there is a disagreement over policy, which is what this is between us, the correct response is
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Molobo's editing may be described as a never-ending nightmare. The guy was known as a tool to ram your POV into the articles, but that does not excuse his sockpuppetry (see his talk page for details). During the time of the block, his
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Stop this, everyone uses West Germany in the english talking sense. Talking about something in post-1990 and saying Germany, ppl will probably think you're referencing Germany as a whole, and not just West Germany. ps. re-instate the
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How about an alternative sanction of revert parole limiting him to 1 revert per day with explanation on the talk page? I'm not sure the community technically has the power to implement paroles, but if the alternative is an indefinite
5234:. Since his block evasion was given a free pass by admins and he did not face any consequences (see his talk page for details), I assume that Giovanni33 will be allowed to proceed in the same fashion. This is rather disheartening. -- 7681:
I don't see any recent edits to Griot's Talk page which mention you whatsoever. The latest ones that have anything to do with you are over three weeks old, and consisted of changing a section heading (which I don't agree with).
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by massive non-consensual reverts of David Hicks page. Numerous editors have reverted his changes (up to 3 a day without substantive justification or talkpage discussion, using Edit Summaries that mispresent the edit and/or prior
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I'm blind and use a screen reader - using Knowledge effectively with a screen reader can be very difficult if one does not understand much about the technology. The closest thing to a support group for users like that is probably
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admin and a different article. If the 2RR pledge didn't mean anything and his blocks keep getting reduced, why is their a belief that anything other that a long period of quiet reflection will produce a change in behaviour? --
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as an anon. editor, because I responded to his/her complaining that we wouldn't put editorial warnings on a page separate from her talk page Isn't there a way to block whatever IP she's using temporarily in case she goes after
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I'd have no objection to trying a lesser sanction such as a topic ban or 1RR. I am also quite willing to evaluate the behavior of other parties this editor may have edit warred with. Note that I do not automatically buy into
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move and move war it caused, was a mess with triple redirects, talk page separated from article page, and other issues. In fact what I moved was no longer the article but - as far as I can tell - a redirect (it seems I moved a
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I don't think dispute resolutions have worked in the case of Giovanni33 or would work now. Would be nice if he would change his ways, but after this many blocks and disruption, I doubt it. I have to support the indef block.
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after his disruptive behavior finally exhausted community patience and at least one very good editor had been blocked for breaking 3RR when he cleaned up after him. I'm all for assuming good faith but there is such a thing as
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difference between sincerely working to improve Knowledge and vandalism. The act of repeatedly deleting existing article references is vandalism, Knowledge breaks down if it is allowed to continue, and it should be stopped. --
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appears to have deteriorated since then. Of course I recuse myself from direct intervention, but I urge other sysops to bear in mind that this offsite canvassing occurs within the context of longstanding disruptive behavior.
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And why, exactly, is Suva not in good standing? Is there a community sanction against him or was he blocked recently for edit warring? Are complaints about him usual in AN/I? Is he pointlessly pushing personal pro-Sovet POV?
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In the Controversies section, someone has tampered with the article, removing the links to the articles written Monica Sjöö and Rabbi Yonassan Gershom, which now contain only the links the the Knowledge articles about them.
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Sigh indeed. What kind of intimate connection do you see between the Soviet liberation of Bornholm in 1945 and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 that justifies your insistance on their coverage in the same article?
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are the exact same person as well given they seem to think alike, and we would also bear in mind that the latter user received a block for a week on counts of trolling (possible block evasion if they ARE the same person?).
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I don't see any personal attacks. I see some contentious editong during a content dispute, and an editor who brought the issue up for wider discussion, but at the wrong place. Not everything you don't like on here is a PA.
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Nod. It does hardly ever work, yes but that doesn't mean I don't favour trying things short of indef block for people that have made contributions. I also agree (see below) that some evenhandedness would be good, although
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It is perfectly acceptable to track an indef blocked user who abuses multiple accounts to circumvent their indefinite block. In fact, it's encouraged. We need more people to do this, and if they feel they need to use
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proclaimed the page a good and neutral article and arbitrarily deleted the disambiguation page to make his point. Against the background of never-ending concerns about his misuse of admin tools for POV-pushing, Piotrus
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On both occasions, the comments in question were those Iwazaki made calling Taprobanus a "contributor to racist websites". It has been previously proven here on AN/I that Taprobanus has contributed to websites such as
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issues, and blocks. I'm opposed to undoing the indefinite block; at the very least, if the block is overturned, a 6-month or 1-year 1RR probation needs to be in effect that, if violated, leads to an indefinite block.
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Geno has apparently quit over this, according to his userpage. I don't get it - people don't react this way when a paragraph of their text is deleted, why such an extreme reaction to removal of a single image usage?
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inclusion of the plantation fact (including me, Lester2, Shot info, Aussieboy, hamiltonstone, Peter Ballard, Lord Chao and Hornplease), yet you, Skyring, Prester John and on occasion BInguyen, keep reverting. Why? --
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editors could tell you this - I was born in England but I'm not English (but I am British). I know of others who were born in England but are strongly Welsh. Unless you know how people self-identify you cannot say.
12631:(instead of saying that it is also published on your geocities site, you should tell us where you got that photo. I don't think you were alive, at least not old enough to attend that event and take a photo in 1921) 5175:
I endorse an indefinite block. This should have happened a long time ago. This is unfortunate, because Giovanni has an outstanding work ethic, but he just cannot stop edit warring and trying to game the system.
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During the past year and a half, the users have been warned by other editors many times, in edit summaries, on the article talk page, and on several of the user talk pages, which the users apparently don't read.
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A comment was posted about 9 hours ago that indicated that some editors were of a similar opinion, there is no suggested wording. Given this there isnt any consensus on wording to claim that there is erroneous.
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This image will have no problem beating its 7-day execution deadline, because it is on a high-traffic article on many active users' watchlists. What is going to happen, though, to all the images with usable,
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UK embassies aren't addressed; and if you invoke Readers, the NPOV is to give them both "British" and "Scotland" and let them decide which piece or pieces of information is useful to them, since both are true.
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Please clarify something for me. Are you saying that the Board of Trustees couldn't come in here and say, "Of course, in-character images are allowed." and have the result that you people stop reverting these
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to user talk pages. He is trying to warn them. He was told many times to stop and persists, and he even reverted one of my changes. He is also reverting good faith edits and also he's trying to "block" them.
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If the Board "don't involve themselves in the writing of the encyclopdia or editorial matters" and "there's no single higher power to appeal to" is the case, then what is the relevance of "The highest level
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Inspector Lee, you may want to consider dropping a small note on your talk page to that affect. Not too much information, just that this is a secondary account used in a manner permitted by the sock policy.
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has swapped one of my original references for a different one that suitably covers the topic. I've got no complaint about that. My complaint was about the other examples where references were just deleted.
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want an edit war and I knew that UBeR and Fredrick Day would start one if I put it back. This all comes right on the heels of Frederick Day lying about me trying to reference BearWiki on the article. --
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could probably find emails from that person on one of my old hard drives to compare. Mostly they are still high-functioning but the bits related to communication, both inbound and outbound, are impaired.
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Suva, you are not an editor in good standing to expect replies from me every time you come up with a slur. This has become pretty routine, and I wonder where our civility police is lurking these days. --
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Since those ethnic conflicts degenerate so quick, an external opinion is wished from someone who can enforces Knowledge's rules about encyclopedic (i.e. sovereign nations, not provinces or sub-states).
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I went to his talk page, and couldn't make heads or tails of it. Does anyone think he/she is copying a message someone left for them at one time? And what's with that warning at the top of the page?
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I am unimpressed that I have been specifically named here as causing an 'Ethnic war abuse incident' because I commented that Graeme Garden was born in Scotland (he was, after all, born in Scotland!).
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Irpen, take your anti-IRC crusade elsewhere. The facts are clear. Ghirlandajo broke policy. He got blocked. That's what happens. Stop bringing your anti-IRC crusade into this and fogging up things.
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User has been repeatedly warned on this, including at least one "final warning", and doesn't seem to care. I've removed yet another copyvio image he uploaded and have now blocked him for 24 hours.
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This doesn't appear to be the kind of problem that needs immediate administrative intervention. Rei has expressed an interest in editing the Joan of Arc article again so I've stated how I think
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team was not Hungarian, the pre-1990 German team is called "West German" and claimed to be something different, just because East Germany vanished. Current use by said multiple editors violates
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Meanwhile, regarding comments on consensus, and to set the record straight about my edits, interested parties to this matter are again encouraged to go through the talkpage volumes, starting in
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defines it as contributing "in order to promote the interests of other individuals, companies, or groups" -- Scots are an ethnic group, and this user has identified as a Scot on his user page.
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Even that page says "permits the upload of copyrighted materials that can be legally used in the context of the project, regardless of their licensing status." How is that against fair use? --
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I've wanted to solve this peacefully and get the dispute over whether the edit in question is SYN resolved through getting outside input. And all I've gotten in return is personal attacks. --
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Agreed. For the record, Piotrus, you moved warred as well, and used the amdin button to enable yourself to do it. And, the main issue. Are there 4 reverts here? Is the 24-hr block justified? --
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The editor seems to be blocked indef (not related to image tagging). He was checking this site, maybe he can contact someone, otherwise we won't be able to get response from him. Please check
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had about fourteen fair-use images on their userpage. I blanked the page, and began wading through the images, ten of which which are undoubtedly copyright violations and improperly licensed:
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Here's an outside input: UBeR is right. I read through the discussion on the article talk page, and it's quite clear that what content you wish to add violates the spirit and the letter of
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And that's really not necessary. Why should it matter which board is used to discuss this action? It's already a full discussion here, and bringing to CSN will only start an AFD mentality.—
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My patience is exhausted anyway. If this isn't he incident that leads to Giovanni33's indefinite block, the next one will be. I don't see why we should put ourselves through another round.
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mainstream. In six weeks she failed to contribute even one reference other than OR musings upon previously cited primary source material and her talk posts were in consistent violation of
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insult. if you've submitted other warnings, may i suggest you link them here. otherwise, i note to you not to search vengence here on wikipedia... that is not the purpouse of the project.
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form or another somewhere around 20 times in the last two or three weeks. And it isn't just myself, Peter and Prester, as you claim, who don't agree with you restoring the copra material.
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Have reverted or fixed a handful of the articles myself, but it's a tedious task, especially when other edits are done later - and also I don't want to touch Archived pages or Userpages.
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It's a different question. Solving an incident is one thing, indefintely blocking an editor is another. Durova requested it and it's her name on the block log. Please respect that. --
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A malfunctioning bot can do a lot harm, and bot operators should always be prepared to (and able to) clean up/revert the bot's actions - which has not happened in the case of AlptaBot.
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has been edit warring all over the place as well, almost exclusively with Giovanni33, and has 7 blocks of his own. If we were going to go that route, might want to note the failure of
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cite. I've been kind enough to not throw allegations around at other people and not to assume bad faith. But someone who's made 20 times as many edits to the article as me telling
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Ok, folks, arguing (read: pointing fingers at who is in the wrong) is not going to solve the underlying issues. If one feels that things are being deleted out of process, please see
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as a "hysterically paranoid info-deleting professor" on my talk page, so if justice is doled out evenly on Knowledge I expect that he will now suffer the same consequences for this
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other Wikipedians to find references for the John Howard article, but few people responded to that request. A reasonable proportion of the article's references were found by myself.
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time the same guys say the same things about cool-down blocks, the superiority of IRC communications over such outdated noticeboards as AN3, etc. This is really boring. (Shrug). --
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JzG, this is not a Piotrus - Ghirla conflict. I did not block him, I did not report him... I was just dragged into it by Ghirla complaining about me being in the neighborhood :) --
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For the record, the edit war has continued after this discussion: Figaro reverted again so as to delete "British" (and also delete the infobox and replace it with a made-up table)
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dispute countless times. I understand the policy well. I've discussed the policy with many administrator and may lay editors. My position on SYN is the one represented by the
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Actually I think this user might be blind and is using some screen reading software. That would partly explain the copying of system- and error messages into the edit window.
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I'm sorry if this is a mistake. But Giovanni33 appears to have been stalking John Smith's and deliberately engaging in revert-wars, even in articles he's not familiar with.
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that I am interested in. Is this wrong, or does it entail stalking users? No. Like I said, your discussion was easily found by any user visiting it just once. Get over it. ~
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Just to note since no one is admitting it. Dheyward, Tom harrison, and MONGO were all involved in "incidents" on an article with Giovanni33. They disagree with his edits to
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found the 3RR violation. Ghiralandajos actions of retasking the article without even slightest hint of discussion anywhere were clearly against the principles of wikipedia.
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It was me who brought it up. It's standard procedure when you see significant disruption. I didn't ask any blocks, 3RR or otherwise, I just asked for administrative advice.
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Wow, that's really a nice attempt to deflect a 3RR block - not the first time I have seen this done by involved users. I am glad to see that this time it didnt' work well.--
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I agree with SOPHIA here. I do not think the banning of Giovanni33 was the right decision. It appears that there is not a consensus here, I hope our voices are recognized.
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The others should be looked at, but there's no doubt in my mind that G33 has earned an indefblock. Worthy contributors are subject to the same rules as everybody else. --
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That goes both ways. If an article is beign used as a reference for material that belongs in the article, it should only be removed if it is replaced by another reference.
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Note, on that occasion Taprobanus directly posted on Lexicon's talk page asking him to comment on the report, instead of simply leaving it up to uninvolved administrators.
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Ok, I put something on my talkpage to that effect today. Going after ST has been fun, but I may try extending my field of permabanned possible targets as I have the time.
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Most of his edits seem to be being reverted by other editors, though in some places he's made the edit twice, and may be approaching 3RR. I'll leave a note at his page.
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capable of good wikiwork and excellent research. There are a tonne of non-controversial articles that cry out for attention. I've praised you for excellent work on the
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I simply asked above to refrain from from threats. In what way is this an attack? Please stick to the issues at hand and do not switch the subject to the civility. ---
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Also, I've made the arguments that refer to Knowledge policy, and you guys have just ignored them in favor of other Knowledge policies that support your position. --
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Brendan.lloyd - "Prester John, please refrain from DELETING references, use more detailed Edit Summaries & justify your reverts on the talkpage; please avoid 3RR"
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reunification, they had simply missed a year by accident, listing 1989-90 as 1990-91 and missing 1991-92. Otherwise, the FRG/GER distinction is entirely accurate.
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This place is becoming a fucking kindergarten. Do I get any credit for actually writing and editing articles? Or is this just a place for bitching and carrying on?
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for themselves what they're calling "Canvassing" and "meatpuppets" and see for themself that their description of what happened is a complete fabrication. Tasco O
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I've taken a somewhat detailed look at his contribs, and it looks like apart from incoherent talk page comments, it's mostly redirects from dubious misspellings. --
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I got that impression when I encountered him some time ago - is there any kind of support group here for that sort of thing that he could be put in contact with? --
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Is blocking any attempt to restore original title and original content by creating a disamb page that makes it impossible to change the title "sneaky and dirty"?--
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taken to the talk page, and 2) since the content is disputed, it is no longer apropriate to use the minor edit checkbox when changing it, with a guiding link to
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After an unblock request I reviewd the BL block IMHO appeared unnecessary as he had only edited the article twice in the last two days, so I have unblocked him.
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case where the community hasn't endorsed the probation approach and that is that. if not, shoud it be tried? Who are the key players besides G that need this? ++
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Without any consensus what so ever. The decision was never discussed at talk page. Also he created Soviet occupation disambiguation page to prevent moving back.
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is not a defense. The block and checkuser history here was eminently worthy of a ban and I would gladly review and address other parties' behavior separately.
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benefit of the doubt for another request from what is clearly an unrelated party. Other than his insistence on this image, Kingdom seems to be well-meaning. --
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There has been a little discussion on the talk page (Shanebb primarily, but the others each contributed once). The overall effect of the three of them has my
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giving time for any consensus to form one way or the other (rather than someone re-imposing the indefinite block and that being reverted and whatnot else). --
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simply cities in the United Kingdom, or are they areas of England and Scotland (and more to the point, does Scotland help fix the area in the readers mind)?
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Surely not, about as disruptive as those who edit warred with him. He could not have done it alone, so is there a motion to indef ban all of those people? --
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here. Let's calm down, take a breather, and return as ice cubes. This debate won't get anywhere should everyone stray into the realm of personal attacks :).
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recent disputes with both of them, but particularly Brendan Lloyd. Brendan and Prester are very disruptive, POV edit warriors and aside from the dispute at
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help? Either way, yes, the bot operator is responsible for any messups, but the discussion on the operator's talk page wasn't "removed", it was the nasty
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has personally attacked me by his public discussion of me in both this forum and in his edit summary of his reversal of my edit on Graeme Garden's article.
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Your comment assumes that being an incorrigible edit warrior is somehow not as bad as being a vandal. I don't think that's true. Hard-core edit-warriors,
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I'm going to add my voice to those endorsing an indefinite block. Enough is enough, really. This guy was let off the hook last time because he was being
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discussion and replace it with the quality of the article? Once again, this requires someone with a sufficiently big stick to just lay down the law. --
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Couldn't care less! Couldn't care less about the quality of contributions to this project? Or what? Hey fella, are you an administrator or a busybody?
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To Irpen, I am sorry to see you have utterly descended into the trenches. You threaten me, creating an entire article talk page section over "schmutz"
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believe it's a solid reason to protect the page from recreation. Please point to the community consensus that there should never be an article about
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circumstances, but I would appreciate it if you would not demean me or any other user because of the subject matter that we choose to edit. Regards,
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and replaced it with this one. This kind of article hijacking is not of good taste. And removing complaints about himself on AN/I is not one either.
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The default settings for blocks (when blocking a username) is to block the underlying IP for 24 hours and block account creation. If this block had
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that I'm trying to own it, and trying to war, when the vast majority of my contributions were on talk trying to resolve the issue? Give me a break.
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Yesterday, Lexicon blocked Iwazaki for 48hr for alleged "personal attacks", following another direct posting by Taprobanus on Lexicon's talk page.
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I knew Knivesout8 was a sock. As soon as it was created he attacked an admin and pushed pov on that article. Glad it was proven and action taken.
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Since I have corrected the links, further discussion of the problem can wait till one of the administrators familiar with this article are back.
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also defines it as " articles while involved with organizations that engage in advocacy in that area", and he's a member of WikiProject Scotland.
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These had no effect on the naming of the DFB team in English - or should "Huns nft" and "Krauts nft" be used for the 1910s and 1920s, maybe? --
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and cleanup any unsourced statements, as this is the article the user appears to have a problem with (though from what I can tell, they want to
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issues that have to do with your concept of ethical conduct but, unlike your editing, your admin activity is generally not my major concern. --
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seems, so it was not "wikistalking." I am not really here to argue their points, just state that edit warring is not a single person thing. --
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Point of order: Possible POV pushing should not be labeled COI. Please don't use COI allegations to intimidate another editor. Thanks. -
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is a laughingstock because "British" and "United Kingdom" are systematically erased from it. Surely we have a policy about that in 2007? —
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Everything mentioned there is going to be mentioned here; she is alive, she is working still, so it will be easy to get a free photograph.
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At the very least, something as severe as an indef block should go through ArbCom. Gio might be an edit warrior, but he's not a vandal.
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but I suspect English is not this user's native language. I've left a message at the talk page anyway and I'll see what I can do to help.
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However completely ignoring that others are doing it to just leaves the same situation for the next person. You cannot edit war alone. --
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How is attacking 847 people indiscriminately helping anything? You're unblocked now, and there's nothing wrong done by anyone else here.—
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The user had already been filed here before for 3RR issues and an edit conflict, but sadly the dispute has not been solved. The article
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Knivesout8 and Jumanjisalvo blocked indefinitely, IP blocked for a month with account creation disabled. Anything besides those three?
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I am uninvolved with this user. I think the indef block was valid. How many edit warring block do we give a person? Enough is enough. (
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language, so use the discussion pages rather then mindlessly undoing each other. Please note that being disruptive is being blockable,
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Restoring Giovanni's original block would be wildly inappropriate. The community has spoken, and Giovanni has worn out his welcome.
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I just want parity. I only know of them two; but this dispute has been going on for over a year now, so a resolution is long overdue.
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time you ask him for his "valuable input" in the articles on which you edit war, please mention that the issue of ANI thread names. --
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The discussion here will be more indicative of community consensus than the notice board. A more diverse group edit here than there.
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the Hicks page earlier, stating a lower threshold for blocking would exist if edit-warring resumes. Less than thirty minutes after
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actually considering the block this year to stick was in August, and his last one prior was September 2006, its been 11 months. --
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I wrote this up at another admins' noticeboard; turns out that I was at the wrong one. I'll paste it here to get your attention.
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I didn't block him because it seems possible he's acting in good faith. But I did apply a nail-studded solid hickory clue stick.
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were what started this and by themselves not particularly problematic. However, in the middle of it, on Sept 12, brand new user
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Before you scold me, have a look at what I've written and look as well at what the wound-up ball of pettiness has done for Wiki.
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and came across the first listing (as of Sept. 12), so I suggest you stop making such specious claims about Fredrick Day. As for
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The page was under active editing, in the scope of several wikiprojects working towards GA status, and this kind of hijacking to
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He has also added a link on his user page that points directly to my talk page in an apparent attempt at starting more trouble:
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people, that should usually raise a red flag that should warn you to stop as you may be doing something against consensus. From
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that said: "Non-administrators can report misbehaving bots to Knowledge:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.", generated by
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as an individual has the right to control his or her reptutation and,name and likeness through themselves or third parties."
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I ask for another attempt at a gentle explanation before any other action is taken. Kingdom has been the particular target of
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the national team at the expense of the other. Again, and more importantly, it is the custom and practice of referring to the
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User has been blocked indefinitely (or until they agree to not make any more legal threats). Someone should probably go over
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for discussion there in a civilized manner, instead of being taken to this incidents section of the noticeboard on this page.
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when I'm adding this information he concealed? And how come he gets a free pass on not disclosing this in the first place? —
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his accent is not at all strong. Apart from the Hamish and Dougal bit, of course, but then Barry Cryer is from Yorkshire...
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as Scottish (and he self-identifies as such as well), for example, so that's why we have him described as such in the lead.
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was most likely out of line when he made the comment, but in his defense this comes after a month of trying to reason with
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as well, but believes that a lack of "response" (in his favour) indicates to him that there is consensus to add the image.
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John Howard etc. - with a source that also includes contentious material, namely the business dealings of Howard's father,
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and argue the case there. Feel free to argue about the underlaying issue, but no need to point fingers, instead argue over
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blocks any attempt to resotre previous tittle. Such action seems disruptive-I would like to know how to clean this mess ?--
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The problem with such restrictions is that it becomes a tool for others to game in edit wars, if handed out unevenly. And
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by another admin who has never been involved in such disputes ? Have you forgoten that Iwazaki was warned multiple times
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on the actual debate here (the number 10 and the words "foot" and "pole" come to mind) but I saw a need to clarify here.
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Piotrus happened to be one of the reverters. Admin tools are usually required to clean up page move issues; that's what
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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Knowledge:Articles_for_creation/2006-07-30&diff=158169551&oldid=158166219
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Is this a new thing in Knowledge, or is there precedent, that "consensus" must be sought for what references are used?
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eh? Sorry, our attitudes seem to be too different to be reconciled. Everyone is entitled to his delusions, I guess. --
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Agree strongly. Probably needs a new noticeboard instead of here, though. This proposal deserves serious discussion.
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here we see Prester John perform an edit which leaves the online text unchanged, but just deletes the reference that
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I found the template to tag the user, but other than that, what, if anything. Is there a notice board for this? "
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Yes, by me, because you deleted the content to which it refers in spite of talkpage consensus for its inclusion. --
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I don´t mind if the articles get merges or changed, but I want to see that happen after discussion and consensus.
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are making unsourced edits (providing "documentation" in the edit summaries). I believe them to be sockpuppets of
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What you call "stub" was a full-fledged disambiguation page which referred our readers to such disparate pages as
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Are his year-long disruptive revert-warring acceptible if the 3RR was technically not violated? I have evidence
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There's a world of difference between checking out a website and watching it daily to dig up dirt on someone. --
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AWB may help. I also left a note on his talk page to address the concerns and fix the bot or it'll get shutdown.
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is to stalk another user. Can you say the same about the other editors you are referring to, SevenOfDiamonds?--
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article, for instance. Can we please see more solid additions to our encyclopaedia and less epic discussions? --
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not have any intention to create an edit war. I suggest to the administrator to read the source of this problem
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process to determine that this is the right decision. I'm bringing this up because despite his behaviour, he
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You are very welcome to demonstrate that I was "abusing my edit rights and should be banned off the project".
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If Wikpedia is not going to play ball with 3rd aprty verifable issues then this shall be referred to lawyers
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Before there's a number of posts on this issue, it's a Commons issue, and the developers are looking at it.
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It's going to be hard to find an admin who's never blocked him to provide an independent review of that :-)
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on Knowledge since at least November last year. He has repeatedly made uncivil comments to Iwazaki such as
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which have been used for the past 18 months by Aaron Klein and his cohorts to try to control his wikipedia
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There are several disruptive parties here, Piotrus. And some of those parties act sneaky and play dirty. --
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I'm watching, and I left note on her talk page. I have to go for a few hours but I'll be back later today.
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about something in the book, etc. Request appropriate (72 hrs? 1 week?) blocks as a fair consequence, a
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I think the original block was probably not so far off base - this seems like a lot of gibberish to me.
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change some article text, but scroll to the bottom of the page and you'll again find missing references.
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Well goodness, glad to see Knowledge actually works: someone blocked for sockpuppetry and POV pushing!
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In the interest of full-disclosure, I have also been involved in the content dispute and have reported
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and a rehashing of a conflict that was resolved not weeks (when he made the change), but MOTNHS ago. --
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Irpen, please refrain from attacking editors who actually try to enforce some civility here. Thanks, --
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has consistently needed to be put in check due to some strange personal vendetta that she has against
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Bit confusing, but by checking his earliest edits to the project his username was Evilclown93, RfA is
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Already blocked as I was entering a reminder to avoid attacks. I do concur with the block however. --
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Endorse, a true POV warrior. But it seems like an admin is objecting it will have to be next time. -
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that's also fine, but in such instances, too, we need evenhandedness. Parity over posturing, please.
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to help you understand a lot of "BLPisms" outside of the context of Australian Politicians. Enjoy!
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repeatedly insist that I'm right and you're wrong and personally attack the person you disagree with.
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Having just blocked this user for continuing an edit war across several pages for several days (see
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is simply more trouble making name calling after multiple warnings. User should be blocked ASAP! --
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After your latest outburst of admin abuse, I'm on no speaking terms with you. The IRC incident was
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I replaced the libel with a note that the libel was removed, but it is still in the page history.
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Can anyone make any sense out of this user's page or talk page, signature, or the user's edits?
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I'm involved in this dispute, so per admin conflict of interest policy I'm floating this here...
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That's what I am talk about. He changed the title of a section that I WROTE that originally said
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and even altered my own words to make it look as though I was actually referring to myself as a
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I've left a note there referring to this discussion. I was merely following the instruction at
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and also that the subjects of certain articles have contacted her about "fixing" said articles.
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German football teams that competed in FIFA sanctioned matches and tournaments. Please look at
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Plenty of sources say other things than what she's claiming about JJ Abrams and Gail Berman -
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as West Germany in the English Language Knowledge. Please conform to the existing standards.
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In this diff, Sam Wightkin, a victim of libel, wants his attack entry removed in this diff:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Griot&diff=158106329&oldid=157974569
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to resolve this appropriately. My views are broadly in line with those expressed by Sophia.
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For the record, I think move wars are regarded as more disruptive then normal revert wars.--
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which you, Piotrus, and Digwuren preferred to bundle together, for reasons unknown to me. --
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This be the place. There's no NLT noticeboard, thankfully! Keep us posted on his response.
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Even if this is all true, not a single source has been cited to support the claims made. --
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How the country of birth should be represented in an infobox should have been taken to the
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Technically no, it was just a redirect. I've undeleted it and nominated it for deletion at
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continued editing, in defiance of our rules on block evasion. Anyone is welcome to compare
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Please see the Linda Hamilton Talk Page for why this still does not address the issue. --
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around accusations of vandalism. By definition, editing in good faith is never vandalism.
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This article came off protection fairly recently, I think it may have to go back on it :/
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And please no ridiculous accusation on "campaigns against Piotrus". You may want to check
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It doesn't matter how illogical the different name appears to you Matthead, the fact is,
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Gnangarra has re-instated the two blocks. (Gnangarra unblocked Prester John as well). ——
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As a side note, I'm getting slightly annoyed at the sight of people like this fellow and
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I've removed the edits from the history. If he does something similar again, give him a
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is for (among other things). If it was any other admin, would they be accused of abuse?
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don't think he attacked me, fine, you can close the disscusion. Thanks for your time! —
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as a separate article, a POV-fork which was replaced by the proper redirect again (see
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Me "planing" and edit/revert war. You are making false accusations. As you can read in
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For the love of Jimbo, can't Piotrus and Ghirla leave each other alone? Neither of you
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This is the user's signature - everything within and including the outside brackets:
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is misbehaving. It's incorrectly inserting/removing interwiki links on templates. See
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protected article until 29 Sep--semiprotected, blocked the two anon IPs for one week.
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and it is no secret that two highly disruptive editors were active at that page. See
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status, whereas Giovanni33 appeared from nowhere there just to revert John Smith's.--
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are, in the long run, far more damaging to the project than run-of-the-mill vandals.
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user accounts. As long as the account isn't being used improperly, it's allowed. --
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new participant, am guided by the examples that others, including admin users, set.
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Knowledge is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a venue for nitpicking and slurs.
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The problem is that "Ignore all rules" won't work here, especially point 5 of what
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Yeah, I noticed it earlier. It doesn't look like the problems solved yet, though.
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with this thread to complain about Piotrus fixing Ghirla's purposeful disruption.—
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I'm going to add this article to my watch list. I could have sworn there was an
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Calton about a trolling war he was having with 66.35.127.0 and he replied to me
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or even mention on talk page is the rudest thing I have ever seen on wikipedia.
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is inappropriate, if not please can you send it to the correct place - Thanks.
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in order to avoid the aforementioned prospective edit war. I'll repeat: I let
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Careful Moe, that little greek character there might be considered vandalism.
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is a living person, a singer, so we should be able to find a free alternative)
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fans would considerer him this or that. Is this an encyclopedia or a fanzine?
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are again quickly archived or removed with comments like "remove trolling".
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are being broken or that someone is doing it deliberately (i.e. vandalism).
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biography, just because it also mentions "copra" somewhere else in the book?
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take it to the relevant forums (read: not here), and discuss! Thank you. ——
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Bless sins - "rv, mass removal of content; the article seems fine as it is"
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I was the checkuser that investigated this IP, if that wasn't clear. :) ++
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In July he gave Iwazaki a "warning" based on a previous AN/I complaint by
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had kindly repaired the broken anchor reference, but a few minutes later
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to bring impartial opinions to the article, then brought the page through
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by six weeks. All of Rei's citations had to be reverted as violations of
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Victim of libel wants some libel removed, but that could violate the GFDL
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tell me the appropriate place that can resolve this quickly. Thank you. -
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to say what are appropriate references for this article and what are not.
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Done. As the nominator, you can usually withdraw a nomination yourself.
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Is our new standard for image deletion that fair-use rationales must be
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Could an admin take care of these images and possibly the user? Thanks!
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This user has made recent edits to his talk page that constitute a very
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his usual behavior than the situation needs to be presented to arbcom.--
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imposing an indefinite block without going through a formal process of
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Ghirla has been blocked for a 3RR violation on the page in question. --
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As I explained to you on your Talk page, there is no "higher level".
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if conflict resumes and I'm quite willing to progress to user conduct
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talk:Man vs. Wild#Criticism.2C_fakeness_and_what_they_don.27t_tell_you
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have since been arguing with me and others on the talk page (see e.g.
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to complain about the deletion, not ANI to complain about the admins.
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If the issue concerns a specific user, try discussing it with them on
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has some extent warned by other users at the AFD of the subject whom
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I have blocked both Brendan.lloyd and Prester John for disruption of
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Prester John has, to a lesser extent, also been deleting references:
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has been constantly removing tags from wrestling-related pages, see
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However, forget individuals and consider (for instance) cities. Are
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The editor is now moving for page deletions to accord with his POV.
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over there. And please, anybody can give anybody else a Barnstar.
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well-organized campaign by Piotrus. --09:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
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see contribution list) without discussing them. She is redirecting
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This user has been making irritating changes to several articles (
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Are you forgeting that Iwazaki asked for a block review. Which was
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of being irish because he was born in ireland, he famously replied
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At the end of the original conflict, I was blocked for 24 hours by
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Aaaaaand endorsed. Time-wasting like this should not be tolerated.
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How are the notes messed up? I'm not sure I'm seeing the problem.
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on his talk page, months after this conflict had been resolved. --
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I regret to tell you that the earlier quotation from Wellington (
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Also, let it be known that UBeR tried to avoid dispute resolution
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It depends on the situation. I think most people would describe
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Skyring(Pete) has been the most prolific deleter of references:
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admit that I did come in with a bias due to the first few posts.
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would explain why admin intervention was needed, indeed. Sigh.--
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the article led to page protection and delayed progress toward
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He seems to contradict his own rule about clear signatures.. —
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tagging fair-use images with imperfect rationales for deletion
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discussions. You should now cease your unilateral revisions.
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has twice made potentially defamatory comments in breach of
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user has kept changing it. I'm also curious if the user and
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ticket about this article somewhere but I can't find it. ---
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between 1949 and 1990, as well as for sport teams like the
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500 articles messed up by AlptaBot (and no cleanup effort)
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Okay, it's time to settle down. All parties have lost our
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stoops to out-of-process deletion of a disambiguation page
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for a description of one of them. It is no violation of
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can somebody restore the original name to the article ?--
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Talk:Greek_War_of_Independence#Images_of_revolutionaries
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is not just any editor; he is one of the leaders in the
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and therefore there's no implied promise of fairness. ++
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solution. Seeing as how you are unwilling to comprehend
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and dropping the addition of the section I was defending
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http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Milk-maid
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Contentious and difficult user is making legal threats.
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He just put a vandalism waning on my user talk page...
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after she finds that my talk page is semi'd because of
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I find it telling that Giovanni33's political opposite
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As an example of messed-up notes, se Featured Article
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I opened this on the CSN noticeboard as suggested. --
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adminship are difficult of impossible to ascertain. --
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Apparently this is where I'm supposed to report that
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Velebit, Purger, Guivon, et al, and IP 71.252.83.230
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San Francisco isn't as homogeneous as you wish it was
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Bless sins - Undid revision 157511776 by Prester John
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An ongoing content dispute has resulted in one user
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It's clear this is nothing to be concerned with. --
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all have their country listed in their infoboxes as
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and making it look as though I was calling myself a
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of his revert-warring involving possible stalking.--
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If he continues after being told this, report here.
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Allegations of state terrorism by the United States
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I have never been found guilty of admin tools abuse
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Make that "moved the article three separate times"—
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So far though, edit wars have been avoided. ~ 12930: 11604:"comment on what is clearly Iwazaki's IP voting" 11502:Knowledge:Requests for checkuser/Case/Knivesout8 11496:Sockpuppetry to add libelous info on John McCain 9133:definitely has some other accounts, look at his 8792:have their country listed in their infoboxes as 8191:"West" here or there, it is ridiculous to insist 4194:Perhaps this should be moved to the article? -- 908: 807:When starting a discussion about an editor, you 11189:http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Molter_Karoly.jpg 9959:Thanks, she was starting to get on my nerves -- 8286:(sovereign nation, U.N. member, passport) with 7253:the articles are more important than the policy 5557:banishment even if they continually improve. -- 5548:... why would we indefinitely block Giovanni33 4076:I know I'm right because I've been involved in 2357:, and such slander should not appear on ANI. -- 12625:The following are the images uploaded by you: 11705:? Including other Personal attacks on editors 7783:behavior that deserves disciplinary action! -- 4647:getting deleted references all over the place 3830:Raw edit count is meaningless to establishing 3624:Canvassing to edit war through other Web sites 2746:the only one who attempted to start discussion 1697:"Please do respect my disability access need." 870:. Editors unable to edit here are sent to the 793:Do not report breaches of personal information 12361:Actually, this is something better posted at 11679: 8936:to make personal attacks on another editor. 6558:A clarification from the indef blocking admin 6406:violators, and people who refuse to work via 174: 12665:(for informational and educational use only) 11768:identifying the user with Rajsingha and AFD 11745:are ridiculous. Those who are familiar with 11206:Knowledge:Image_copyright_tags/Public_domain 10767:appears to be yet another sockpuppet of the 10240:has increased, removing citations, adding a 9162:WP:SOCK#Legitimate uses of multiple accounts 8904:Arthur Wellesley, the 1st Duke of Wellington 7858:(→Mom, Dad, It Hurts! Can I Borrow the Gun?) 4594:Can you summarize this in 30 words or less?— 3844:User:Durova/Complex vandalism at Joan of Arc 2024:is obviously to "prove" that, at the end of 795:on this highly visible page – instead go to 11659:I created it a year ago, it (now) has to go 10236:Klein has a book due out this month. Anon 6839:Mdhowe - "revert vandalism" by Prester John 6435:Evidence of possible stalking by Giovanni33 2333:Few points. The related page, after Ghirla 82:Revision as of 16:06, 16 September 2007 by 11563:As amply demonstrated by these incidents, 11245:Images deleted, The Evil Spartan thanked. 10221:25 so far updated on the active talk page 9030:"born in a stable doesn't make me a horse" 8623:We should go with their self-description. 6497:Right. Take a look the recent history of 5116:What I suggest is that you back away from 4545:Earlier deletion of the same reference by 4514:Earlier deletion of the same reference by 2680:ANI, AIV, VP, IRC, AIM, SL, ICQ, MSN, etc. 181: 167: 18:Knowledge:Administrators' noticeboard 8042:Post World War 2 and pre 1991 there were 8012:Category:Nicknamed groups of soccer teams 7748: 7728: 3602:whatever it is should not be deleted, or 3085:it mildly, but only one Ghirla so far. -- 1540:] Please do ] your ] on your ]. ] ]-]] 12842:Can an admin. please delete the AFD for 12218:. Let's discuss this in one place. Thx. 10225:Talk:Aaron Klein#Single purpose accounts 10211:16 documented in detail in January 2007 9590:Might want to check it against the user 8900:(he was, after all, born in Scotland!)." 8890:In response to the following comment by 8298:Conceals all his changes under abuse of 8014:. While nobody would claim that the pre- 7768:Somebody Hurt My Feelings! Mommy! Daddy! 7549:is not the best action in this case. -- 5647:Indefinite block. Long time coming. -- 1678:Maybe this person is trying to recreate 923:Review of the RfA discussion-only period 53: 12746:#Improper licensing on about ten images 12214:I've already started a thread about it 10282:Thank you, & for the bonus semi. — 9818:Wow, that IP needs a block, take it to 9105:is fake, and has several other accounts 7987:anyway, but the DDR was referred to as 7058:, despite the requested admin opinion. 6869:, Prester John resumed edit warring. -- 6098:"ganged up on because of his politics." 5120:and start to be involved at other BLPs 2924:comes out of your fights looking good. 150: 81: 14: 12931: 12337:Wybot mishandles iw links on templates 11230:Improper licensing on about ten images 10805:I knew that username was suspicious. 10519:for a comment made in an edit summary 9215:Thanks! Beat socks with socks, i say! 8556:I don't see any discussion of this at 5316:3 more reverts here in the last 3 days 5127: 5080:John Howard's secret ancestry revealed 4758:John Howard's secret ancestry revealed 4632: 3381:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 2946:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 2873:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 2841:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 2813:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 2773:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 2566:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 2361:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 2191:) also removed my complaint about him 1929:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 755:these tips for dealing with incivility 699:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents 9974:COI SPA disruption on Aaron Klein bio 9242:Hey, what's up? Is there work to do? 6179:is the victim, not the community. -- 2290: 162: 50: 31: 11608:"the last vote by the IP address is 6786:I've opened an arbitration request. 6062:was also not community banned until 5314:(and another a couple of days ago), 4612:I think I can summarize it in two: " 2143:Apparently, the process for that is 2042:Category:Allied occupation of Europe 200:discussion, request, and help venues 152:Purge the cache to refresh this page 23: 12615:User Talk:Andranikpasha#your images 12039:checkuser turned down the request. 11773:Requests for mediation/AMG Chemmani 11600:"reply to yet another non-argument" 11467: 11427: 11246: 9206:to do, that's a legitimate use. -- 8932:Also, it is supposed to be against 8159:West Germany national football team 7956:West Germany national football team 7945:which is fielded since 1908 by the 7165:Knowledge:Non-free content criteria 2353:to be quite offensive and untrue - 2351:Piotrus abusing admin tools (again) 2016:Piotrus abusing admin tools (again) 844:you cannot currently edit this page 842:You are not autoconfirmed, meaning 811:leave a notice on their talk page; 145: 114: 12744:I moved this message from section 11064:edits removed, user already warned 10717:New sockpuppet of blocked Float954 10372:outright mocked Kingdom's spelling 8898:Graeme Garden was born in Scotland 8780:both have their country listed as 7698:What if I am a gun freak? So what? 7648:http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Griot 5125: 4630: 146: 103: 58: 12950: 12571:City status in the United Kingdom 11457:. I'll do the dirty work though. 11018:Both blocked as definite socks. 8263:Ethnic war brewing, and abuse of 6533:appears to have been preceded by 5671:He hasn't had 1 block in a year, 5520:Giovanni33 has a long history of 3012:to misrepresent the situation. -- 2322: 2294: 2158:I believe I've achieved filing a 2122:'s actions were most disruptive. 68:. 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YOu'll get a faster reply. 9067:international laughingstock " 8282:For nationality, he replaces 7853:User Griot responds to Admin: 7043: 7037: 7031: 6483:for bringing that article to 6142: 6136: 6130: 5795: 5602: 5418:wikipedia is not a government 5178: 3793:That's rich. I'm trying to " 3678:It should be also noted that 3190:More out-of-process deletions 2291: 1793: 1773: 1751: 1745: 1739: 304:Biographies of living persons 12888:Merge Template has no image? 12817: 12586:Give me 12 hours to fix it. 12414: 12125: 12116: 9931:which links to a fan forum. 9789: 9760: 9482: 9476: 9431:joining in briefly as well. 9307:The edits of long-term user 8290:(neither of them) every day 6921: 6892: 6689: 6683: 6661: 6655: 6475:article, where John Smith's 5852: 5846: 5807: 5586: 5375:accompanied by bad behaviour 5190: 4602: 4596: 4358:apply. 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12281: 12280: 12279: 12278: 12275: 12271: 12267: 12261: 12258:Legal threat 12251: 12248: 12241: 12239: 12238: 12230: 12229: 12228: 12227: 12224: 12221: 12217: 12213: 12212: 12211: 12210: 12207: 12200: 12198: 12197: 12188: 12183: 12178: 12176: 12170: 12167: 12158: 12145: 12142: 12141:Jesse Viviano 12137: 12136: 12135: 12132: 12128: 12121: 12112: 12111: 12110: 12106: 12099: 12095: 12094: 12093: 12090: 12089:Jesse Viviano 12086: 12085: 12084: 12083: 12080: 12079:Jesse Viviano 12076: 12062: 12059: 12055: 12051: 12047: 12046: 12045: 12042: 12037: 12036: 12035: 12034: 12031: 12027: 12023: 12019: 12014: 12007: 12004: 12001: 11998: 11995: 11992: 11989: 11986: 11983: 11980: 11977: 11972: 11971:71.252.83.230 11969: 11965: 11962: 11959: 11956: 11953: 11950: 11947: 11944: 11941: 11938: 11935: 11930: 11927: 11923: 11920: 11917: 11914: 11911: 11908: 11905: 11902: 11899: 11896: 11893: 11888: 11885: 11881: 11878: 11875: 11872: 11869: 11866: 11863: 11860: 11857: 11854: 11851: 11846: 11843: 11842: 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