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2220:. If the template is tagged for a WikiProject then it's almost twice as likely for the TfD to receive participation. I had a look yesterday at the TfDs from 16 and 18 August and there were 38 open ones. In 21 cases the template concerned (or at least one of the templates, if it was a multi-nomination), had a WikiProject tag on its talk page. The remaning 17 templates didn't have a project tag. Of the discussions for the tagged ones, 75% saw participation from editors other than the nominator. The corresponding percentage for untagged templates was almost half of that at 40%. That's a big difference. And although there are certainly other factors involved (for example, more widely used templates have higher chances of getting tagged and, independently of that, are also more likely to have more watchers and hence a larger pool of potential TfD participants.), I think we have a strong correlation. And given that a little over half of the templates I surveyed were tagged, there's something to be done on this front. Should we somehow incorporate tagging into the workflow? 31: 1345: 878: 310:, but that template seems to have been blanked (although a TfD a while back found that it was still useful?). If there's a category that you could file, I recommend filing that at CFD (CFD is good at deleting categories) and mentioning that you also want to delete the template populating it. If not, we'll probably have to wait for someone else to explain what happened process-wise when 2298:. It might be just me, but maybe TfD's participation problem wouldn't be so bad if the discussion culture was a bit more like that of most other parts of wikipedia, where participants do a bit more in terms of engaging with any issues raised or questions posed, and do a bit less in the way of circuitous restatement of initial assertions. 2730:, I think it could also have to do with a potential reluctance to close as delete when it is "close". I've found myself often in the past few weeks !voting instead of closing because I completely agreed with the deletion rationale, found the keep rationale wishy-washy, but didn't want to get a load of flack thrown my way for making a 936:. TfD closers should pay extra attention to the code in the templates to identify such category inclusions and prevent "dangling" categories. This is not an easy burden since it is non-obvious what the previous code does unless one slows down to think about it. There was also a container category for those categories: 2806:
I'd agree, except that all of those are perfectly valid reasons for deletion and are reflected by consensus since I started closing at TfD, and likely much earlier. There are maintenance costs to keeping unused templates. Indeed, I'd quite like a speedy deletion criteria targeted at them which allows
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I close based on strength of arguments (given the policies), not on vote count. I've closed in favor of deletion when the numbers favored keeping in the past, and I'll do it again in the future. I'll do the same for keeping. In the specific discussion quoted above, the arguments for deletion (which I
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I'm not convinced. There's a TfD I have my eyes on that's massively overdue for closing, and that I'm uninvolved in, and feel should be closed like that. If I did the close, though, I suspect I'd be facing down a DRV. (Partly that's because I'm not currently an admin, but TfD has reached the stage at
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The contrast would be with the current situation, some people are jumping straight from "some of these templates are redundant" to proposing the deletion of all the redundant templates and their names, all in one go. Perhaps that's actually going to be correct for some, or even all, of the templates.
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One recurring theme throughout previous discussions is the problem of low participation at TfD. There are probably several underlying causes for this state of affairs so there isn't going to be a one-shot solution, but I think one indication that we could see is that the current system for notifying
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There isn't a single policy based argument for keeping the template; and the single argument that is not "I like it" (i.e. that it points to a policy telling people not to bite newbies) is rendered null by the fact that the template duplicates another which does the job, does it better, and does so
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to everyone, by breaking all pages using them. It causes unnecessary load on the server as well and in fact if it should be used somewhere, it should even be in the doc pages or of templates proposed to deletion, or probably just in their tlak page (just to keep an history of discussions). Putting
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to be used is summarily solved only by looking at the number of already existing links to that site. Is that the case? I don't think I would agree with that, especially if the resources on the site (like the resources of other major national archives) seem likely to be relevant for a high number of
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Personally, I object to the article content outside in templates because newbies likely don't know how to navigate to the template namespace. Not only does it confuse them, but it makes the content entirely inaccessible. I'd rather they be able to access the content and be confused with a chance to
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This is interesting. Here is my question then: does tidying up a template result in more 'space' in WP's presumably huge servers? It seems to me that leaving an unused template 'un-discussed' and undeleted takes up less space and time than the discussions that accompany such a deletion and then the
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Stub templates that do not have their own category should be nominated at Tfd like al other templates. The reason is simple: the rule is that all templates should be nominated at Tfd, with the exception of those templates that exist mostly to add a category (simply put), like stub templates. In the
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The result is that the TfDs are basically impossible to close satisfactorily. There are likely going to be some solutions that have consensus, but the form of the TfD doesn't make it possible to determine what they are. As a result, the TfD sometimes gets closed as "no consensus" (which has lead to
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To be honest I think this "article content in templates" idea is more of a religious belief than a well-thought-out piece of practical guidance. The usual argument seems to be that it confuses newbies, but so do great big globs of indigestible wikicode. It's like claiming that all of the code for
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This section is somewhat unneeded. There is a simpler solution to the issue. I think such nominations should be closed summarily, and the nominating editor advised, that they should relist the templates individually. Unless, of course, there is a clear connection between the templates (apart from
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Recently, there have been some cases where editors have listed a large number of templates in a single nomination, on the grounds that they're all redundant. When this has happened, normally some users have opined "delete all", some have opined "keep all" due to believing that they're all useful,
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almost two weeks prior to you asking the question. Thus, a broken system, where one guy with a beef and a random user can stall what should be a policy- and consensus-driven discussion about the usage (in the here and now) of a template. Now, I won't say that people with biases towards a subject
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but too incompetent to find the template namespace. And in some of these cases, "less accessible" is part of the point, because the high data density means any given change is very likely to be a negative one. I think we're overall doing new editors a favor by abstracting away the fiddly bits of
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I approve also this last statement. In my opinion that Tfd template just causes more harm in an attempt to solve another unrelated problem: participation. We have other tools widely used to inform authors plus project pages for other people that may be intererested. But we should not break any
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This would mean that there'd be an option for closing the nominations in question, to help to find a consensus where one exists. (There may well be a consensus to keep a particular template, keep a particular template name, merge two templates, delete one of the templates, or delete one of the
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Userfication is something anyone can do so long as they're autoconfirmed, but you really shouldn't do it outside of a XfD outcome. It's more-or-less equivalent to deleting something from one of the "outward-facing" namespaces, which should have consensus. I wound up not userfying this due to
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I presume the closing admin can always delete whichever templates received a consensus to delete, as keep those they see fit to keep, or merge, or no consensus, or whatever, as appropriate. That is "KEEP these because-of-this, DELETE those because-of-that, , NO CONSENSUS for the remaining".
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No space is released: when an admin "deletes" a page, what they are actually doing is flipping a switch that make it appear that the page no longer exists (any links to it will show in red instead of blue, for example). It's still there, demonstrated by the fact that an admin can
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the advantage of blanking/moving is that it reduces the amount of transcluded text, which can help with expansion size limits. I, personally, like the method where the heading is left, but the discussion content is moved, just in case there are links to the old discussion page.
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I'm a little confused too. As I understood it, the intended process is to file the template, and any categories that it (and no other template) populates, at CfD, but CfD doesn't seem to have filing instructions for that. The template that you'd use for the purpose used to be
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some have opined "merge" (sometimes but not always listing the sets of templates they want merged), and some have opined "keep" generically, "keep" for one template, or "keep all", because they think that one particular template from the set is not redundant to the others.
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The way this is done is by nominating the category, and mention that there is a template connected to it. The admin will delete both the category and the template, if the discussion is closed as a delete. This has been the instruction and procedure for as long as I know.
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That's probably far-fetched, but I'm wondering if there isn't a way of tracking down the editors who have used a given template, and then posting on the talk pages of a sample of them using some sort of RfC-style notification process. I imagine that tools like the
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this would appear to be the policy, but given that it's only one editor I guess I'm wondering if a) everyone else is just doing it wrong/being lazy/etc, or b) TfD can be considered an exception to that policy? Should I be blanking the old discussion when I relist?
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If there were several links to the Amicus website, in various articles, not using the template, then there would be potential for its use, by converting them (and I would have tagged it as such, rather than nominating it for deletion). As I pointed out, there are
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eternal storage of such deletion discussions. Deleting templates seems like a waste of time. If they are never used then their storage space is much smaller than all the discussions and storage of discussions. Maybe I am looking at this wrong...Best Regards,
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is working on one, but it's been stalled for a while, so Doug's script is about as good as it gets at the moment. I try not to bug 'em too much about it, but I know what you mean with potential backlogs (closed 30 identical TFDs the other day... not fun).
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Well, if all the (three) participants in this discussion weren't convinced by the nominator's argument that a template should necessarily be deleted if it meets these two criteria, then I don't think I'm able to see any fault with TfD on account of that.
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On the bright side, it appears we recently doubled our TfD staff with the return of another editor who closed TfDs in the past and has returned to doing so every once in a while. On the not-so-bright side, that was doubling from one to two. We're
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I know this must exist, but I'm struggling to find it. I was under the impression there was consensus in the past that addressed how article content should not be stored in single-use transclusion templates. This has come up in discussions at
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No, obviously. All discussion should be kept in one place. If an editor wants a TfD publicized, just place a neutral notification on relevant project pages. As a side note, that template is borderline eligible for speedy deletion as per
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which pretty much all the admins who work on closing it end up involved in the discussions and so can't close.) Getting consensus that this sort of close is sometimes/often appropriate (in general) first would help, thus this post. --
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Certainly any that fell under a no consensus can be nomitaed soon after, and if bundling them didn't work the first time, the average nominator will consider trying something different, that is, to nominate in smaller groups -
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deleted? TfD says not to list stub templates or candidates for speedy deletion there, so I went to CfD which says to tag it for speedy deletion per CSD C1, but an admin reverted me when I tried to do that. What am I missing?
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Quick question: do closers at TfD usually just delete such "template-attached" categories when deleting a template without going through the CfD process? These categories don't meet the speedy deletion criteria (not even
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possible participants is probably not working completely as intended. Can we use the current thread to brainstorm ideas about possible ways of improvement? Please feel free to add subthreads of your own.
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with far more widespread community uptake. however, if you read my first post in this section, you'll see that it's not my point to re-litigate the close; if it were, we'd be at deletion review.
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make similar actions. On the whole, though, I agree with the issue - I'm not convinced a template should be kept due to rationale of "charming" and "harmless", which in my book is comparable to "
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comment on a discussion (it's their prerogative), but that they should stick around to refute any statements made by the nominator/other users. Drive-by !voting isn't a great idea...
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Oh, I see. But then that's worse: that's deleting a template simply because so far it hasn't been used. Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm new to TfD), but aren't we meant to look at the
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Thanks, Rob. I hope I didn't come across as too impatient. Sure, please delete and userfy (the right way). (Is "userfication" something a non-admin can do properly on their own?)
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it in the main code just causes troubles (and this may explain why this method has in fact not been used since years: we have better ways to inform and discuss these proposals).
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I concur. There's a fine line between "I think I can persuade you to change your mind" and "You're an idiot for thinking like that" (and there is no sarcasm in that statement).
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attribution requirements; see my close for an explanation of how the template should be handled given the requirements for attribution. Let me know if you have any questions. ~
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template, and people rarely say what they mean at that level of detail in this sort of TfD. So we need a process that helps people to distinguish which of the cases they mean.)
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favor very slightly, on a personal level) were not very well-made and had no clear connection with policy that would allow me to close on the basis of strength of arguments. ~
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for my own content creation. But we'd need to start with consensus to remove that speedy deletion criteria before actively discouraging people from nominating for it. ~
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merges and redirections of the templates in question, so long as those merges/redirections have only a minor impact on pages currently transcluding the template; and
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Prompts for optional relist comment; relists discussion on current day's TFD subpage; closes original discussion as "Relist" and collapses that discussion; updates
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Hi there. Not sure if it's entirely appropriate to post this kind of comment here, but would someone with the ability to close down a TfD be able to take a look at
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In the last few days I've seen a few discussions be closed as "relisted", where the closing editor blanks the entire discussion and moves it to the new date. Per
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I have a list of templates (99.9% of them are infoboxes), that has small number of transclusions, that maybe are worth of taking to discussion here. For example,
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that they are all perceived as redundant by the nominator), in which case they are likely to be treated as a group of templates rather than individual templates.
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of existence. No evidence of any likelihood of the template being used in the future was presented. As I recently pointed out to you elsewhere, point 3 of the
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says to tag it for speedy deletion (C1 or otherwise). But if you consider that it warrants speedy deletion (as opposed to discussed deletion), are any of the
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I think we need a new type of TfD resolution for this sort of TfD. In particular, the fix I'd recommend would be to close the TfD with no result, but that:
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Prompts for result & rationale; closes discussion using that result & rationale; prompts for which holding cell section to use, or "delete now";
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Prompts for result & rationale; closes discussion using that result/rationale; opens each template so that further manual action can be undertaken.
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Same as , but instead of prompting, just uses "Delete" as the result/rationale. Will still prompt for a holding cell section or (if admin) "delete now"
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Do you think this will increase participation? I don't think I'm the only one who gives up watching XfD pages or delsorts that see a lot of activity.
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Same as for single template discussion, iterating through each template (but only makes a single edit to the holding cell for all the templates)
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that it it is a general problem being worked on. Anyway, none of the other WP:XFD search boxes has a search hint such as this and looking back
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to the target site, have to be closed (through no fault of the closer) as "no consensus", then there is something seriously wrong with TfD.
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Closes which require different actions for one or more of the templates listed at the discussion (e.g. Merge, Delete some but keep others)
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You'll get more participation if what you write is legible. Feel free to admonish me for re-factoring your comment, but please read
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I am posting here to notify you of a requested move I made regarding a bunch of deletion discussion templates. The discussion it at
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waiting to be closed, and (I'm guessing) since it's summer time we're a little short on TFD staff. It will be looked at in due time.
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But in the case where consensus is less drastic than that, our current process makes it really hard to find where the consensus is.
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table code and long lists of data, links to outside databases, etc. so they have a chance to look at the actual article content.
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case that stub templates don't have a category, there is no reason for the exception, and we stay with the general rule: Tfd.
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could be used more often in no consensus situations, but that's less of a policy and more of a decision made by the closer.
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Yes! Thank you! The regulars will see your post and respond, but the better the tools ā†’ the more time spent on other jobs
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There is no need at all for "a new type of TfD resolution"; it is already possible for a closer to reach such a finding.
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too confrontational; some serial nominators feel the need to shoot down anybody who dares !vote "Oppose" or "Keep". --
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could be harnessed to help with that, but I don't really know if ultimately this is going to be technically feasible.
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Template talk:Government misconduct accusations#RfC: Is this template about Government misconduct accusations legit?
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Template talk:Government misconduct accusations#RfC: Is this template about Government misconduct accusations legit?
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point, having a two-week old TFD is relatively minor, compared to the months-old discussions we had a while ago...
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ridiculousness of having a thousand templates nominated for deletion and really hammering load times. RfC time?
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My comment was answered by Andy? I take that to mean that the question of whether an external links template is
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learn via trial and error than not be able to access the content whatsoever and have no learning opportunity. ~
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every piece of software should be in a single ginormous file, because how else will anyone find anything?
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No, the section header is appropriate and my comment was about what Andy just wrote, that I approve too.
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TfD needs to be merged into MfD. That way, there will be more !voters, which means less "no consensus".
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Delete, or other close that will result in the template being deleted (e.g. Review, Convert, Substitute)
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applicable? If not, then a discussion is necessary, and being a stub template, that would take place at
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which are now permanently empty I suppose. These categories were populated in the template by the code
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Just to be clear, the idea here is to only execute the change on talk pages, and not in articles. --
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has no prejudice against nominating the names of templates that were boldly merged or redirected at
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permits speedy renomination of smaller sets of the templates (as "redirect", "merge", "delete"); and
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be a start. Given that so far it reflects my own personal view, you're all invited to add to it. ā€“
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simply restates the fact that the template is unused and that brings us back to where we started.
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Knowledge:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2016_July_8#Excess_Gospel_of_John.E2.80.93related_templates
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Keep, or other close that will result in the template being kept (e.g. Redirect, No Consensus)
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Prompts for result & rationale; closes discussion using that result & rationale (and
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I've changed the listing instructions to make the relevance of project tags a bit clearer
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Prompts for result & rationale; closes discussion using that result, rationale, and
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tag. If you see any issues with the way I did this, please let me know. Thanks again.
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instructions, I think it will be possible to code the following options into a script:
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TfDs which list a large number of "redundant" templates, when some are and some aren't
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I certainly agree that such things can get convoluted. TFD doesn't explicitly have a
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Knowledge:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 September 21#Template:Infobox academic
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I dunno, I've never seen a newbie who was competent enough to edit something like
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which does not have a single category, it is upmerged to two separate categories,
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I've never worked with merging templates and need some help. After trying to get
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Do people think this sort of TfD close is appropriate? Should it have a name? --
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template names after merging its functionality. That's five different cases for
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Same as , but instead of prompting, just uses "Keep" as the result/rationale
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them to be deleted without the administrative costs of TfD (subject to
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Same as for single-template discussion, iterating through each template
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on 2016 January 27. That template populated the following categories:
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where it occurs on talk pages and is not inside certain elements like
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is only for category pages, not templates. I don't see what part of
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possibility for reuse" (my emphasis) has not been realised ...'. --
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I'm wondering if it isn't time for a TfD-specific text similar to
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