Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 14

2459: 31: 2388: 2256: 2333: 2705:, from which they were created. The 20ish separate independent templates have over time merged into cs1|2. For the sake of consistency across all of the templates, a decision was taken to adopt MOS as the guide for date formatting. This is no different from the the WP:CITE guideline that dictates italic book titles, quoted chapter and article titles, etc. 3066:

re-checks the source page. Then it would make sense to update the access date because the page may have changed and the version on the later date would then be the one supporting the article text. If the only version available to a later editor is an archived page, then it does not make sense to update the access date. Does that answer your question? --

6839:. However Including a convenience link to a less well known publisher's website allows readers and editor to asses more easily if a less than notable publisher is reliable. This is the reason I include links to the "about page" non-notable publisher—particularly if the source being cited is a website. It has nothing to do with spam and is not as 1282:. We do not remove the statement that relies on the dead link, and do not remove the citation, but just note that the link is no longer live. We keep a record of the source even though the source cannot now be retrieved. That policy will not change. This is a special case where the dead link has come back to life in a completely different form. 1651:. The Internet Archive has nothing to do with it, if the current legal owner requests it. Also the current exclusion does not mean that the page was never archived. There may well be snapshots of the page before the publisher added the exclusion. If there has been a change in publisher the old archived pages may still be public. 7124:

download date because I had long deleted the ZIP archive. Correlating other info I was at least able to specify the year I downloaded the file, so that's what I used for access-date. I found it particularly important to specify at least the year, since the file was no longer available online and wasn't archived at archive.org.

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edit date isn't information stored in a citation, and because we cannot put the burden of rechecking the accessibility of all existing references whenever an article gets edited on all future article editors, ruling out abbreviated access-dates would be feasible only if there would be a way to override the check as well.

2185:, which is the 'parent' archive, so that's where I was going to put it. However, the two pages /Updates and /Error checking appear to be from the pre-auto-included /doc pages for modules, so I wasn't sure if the content was best "archived" or "incorporated elsewhere". The errors subpage can probably be archived (per 4469:

ids would help to streamline this (and easily change it, would this become necessary in the future) - and since they aren't all used at the same time it wouldn't add clutter to citations at all, just make life easier for all, authors, maintainers, and readers (even machines, when they try to read ids).

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Get consensus for your suggested change. Myself, David, SMC, Keith D all obviously agree with the test, Jonesey95 voiced no disagreement when Trappist indicated that this may be an issue, and Trappist either agrees or at least believes that it should be enforced in the software. So, if you would like

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the token, and if that's accepted you must have a "legal month name" and "token" and "legal month name"... then check to make sure the range is not "December-December" or "December-March" (which is possible, but would require two years in the years field which I don't think we accept or probably need

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parameter. Do we put a colon or space (or both) between an id's name and value, or does that depend on the corresponding id? Do multiple ids have to be separated by comma, semicola or full stops, or does that depend on the type of the surrounding identifiers? Adding dedicated parameters for more such

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This is important as modules can be changed to display error if accessdate is after archivedate (in case it is not OK to enter the date of access to the archived version but only original URL). Note that several archive websites exist and that some can get broken down so other archive would be needed

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Perhaps the example is confusing. Assume an article on goldfish breeding cites a web page found in 2009 at xyz.com. The XYZ Society was an authority on goldfish. The page was never archived and the XYZ Society was dissolved. Later, xyz.com was acquired by an unrelated organization. A statement in the

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robots.txt will not include a website unless the publisher expressly requests it. If the site was up for any length of time, and the publisher did not forbid it, it is likely some WebCrawler or other captured a snapshot. Again, I suggest you search these archives for possible captures during the time

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There was some discussion on this a while back. I don't remember a consensus viewpoint emerging. My take on this is that the contributor should take the prudent step of indicating the source is not free. Because there is no certain method that can predict when the free-views promotion/allowance will

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So, basically, a reasonable plausibility check would have to take the distance between the citation edit date and the online access-date into account as well (f.e. allow to omit the day if the access was not in the same month, and allow to omit the month if the access was in another year). Since the

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So right now in the month field it can handle individual months (and seasons) only. That is, it can handle "January", "Jan", and "Summer" (and "Christmas") etc. but cannot handle "January-February" or "January-March" or "January-April" and so forth, and assorted publications do use those publication

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The 'special rule' that applies to cs1|2 templated citations is that MOS defines how cs1|2 shall render dates. Because MOS is mute on quarterly dates, when I wrote the date validation code, I did not include support for that format. There is no one who champions the cs1|2 documentation so, for the

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There are many possible ways to find the new home of a URL that has become dead. A trick that might be unknown to an editor who comes across a dead url may be known to other editors. An editor who is a subject matter expert might know the new website of an organization, or be able to think of search

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is now blocking users who have ad-blocking plugins enabled in their web browsers. The message shown to users is that they must whitelist Forbes' website in order to see the content; it's an all-or-nothing deal. If citations link to this site, or other sites that employ the same tactic, it becomes an

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Would you say some minimal quality control may be needed before templates are put in CS1-related categories? The haphazard inclusion does not reflect nicely on CS1 as a whole. Which is no big deal, but there are enough micromanagers around to blow up this issue, like the interminable RFC discussion

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parameter would help enforcing a consistent format and allow us to adjust the format centrally would this become necessary in the future. At present, I would suggest to just put the translation in following the original quote, but who knows what might be preferable in a decade (perhaps we're using

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There's no reasons to change function "get_month_number" as it works fine... thinking about the problem I came up with a couple different ways to implement function "get_month_number" which I am NOT suggesting and which I doubt would actually work... these are just byproducts of thinking about ways

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The purpose of having an access date is to allow later editors to ascertain the version of the web page used as a source. Therefore it should normally remain as the date on which the contributing editor viewed the web page. One exception might be if an editor revises the article at a later date and

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date format should not be told "we don't support that date format". They should be told "Oops, sorry, we will add support for that date format" (and maybe also - "sorry you were told that was an error, it wasn't really, we are just a bit over-zealous in keeping things in order"). The other thing is

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And concurrent with this value being added to the parameter, we will get documentation to show us how to verify that an allegedly usurped url is actually usurped, an allegation evident by the inclusion of said url in the citation. Obviously such verification path will be also be immediately evident

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Since the webpage no longer exists in any form, the specific citation is unverifiable, and it cannot support any statement. Whether the url now points elsewhere is irrelevant. I would recommend using a different source (and citation) to support said statement, if it is essential to the article. One

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We have no way of telling whether the original website publisher forbade archiving, or whether the original page was archived at all. In this case the original publisher no longer exists and a search finds no online version of the original page. All we know is that, assuming good faith, a statement

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I disagree there are/were hundreds (thousands?) of such links in the citation templates. This obsucre "rule" was ignored until forced into the open by a software change. There is a underlying assumption of bad faith in this rule. In fact a link is more useful, (for readers and editors), for a less

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MOSDATE is intended to give formats for the kind of dates commonly encountered in running text, tables, and infoboxes. It isn't intended to give formats for dates in citations, but cs1|cs2 found that the formats found MOSDATE were mostly sufficient for citations as well, so borrowed those formats.

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and adhering to the established/consistent presentation style for citations, it would be prudent to caution editors wishing to consistently use CS1 that some of the specific-source templates may violate that wish. Or add some basic compliance criteria that specific-source templates must follow in

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As most keyboards don't have proper dashes, and picking a dash off the menu is irksome for those of us who generally prepare text off-line, couldn't we have the software simply replace hyphens found in date ranges with the preferred en-dash? Rather than failing with a message to text that doesn't

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I support this as well. It is not a good idea to depend on special character support not available or difficult to use (input or display) in some environments, so there should be a fall-back using only ASCII characters. The easiest solution I see is to allow a "-" to work as an alias and let the

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is being misunderstood here. It does not require everything to be supported by citations. Nor does it say anything like "if a source is unsupported it just doesn't belong". WP:V requires references for "all quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged", which is amplified as

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The above "usurped no archive" would work for me. The url is preserved, because maybe the page was in fact archived somewhere we never heard of, but the link is suppressed. I am pessimistic about Internet Archive doing anything about robots.txt. A change in name of the owner of a domain may just

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There's no need to know the date of access to the archived version. The access date tells the reader two things: (1) most importantly, for a site that changes, like an online database, the version that was consulted (2) the likelihood of the URL still being live. Access dates are not needed for

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Well this is not a proposal, but unambiguous existing, binding policy. Statements must be supported by citations of sources. Citations must be verifiable. If they are not, they cite nothing. The fact that the URL is usurped is a secondary technicality. What is not secondary is that whatever the

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To give an example, I remember a case where I provided a reference based on a document I had downloaded from the net as part of a ZIP archive years earlier. I had a copy of the extracted document, and the download url was given in the document itself, but I was unable to narrow down the exact

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conversation. For the purposes of establishing what constitutes an acceptable quarterly date format for cs1|2, MOS is indeed mute. Consider the amount of detail applied to specifying how dates should look for numeric dates, for DMY, for MDY, for ranges. A lot of words and symbols are spent

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So now lets see.... what if you had... let's assume that month ranges are going to be divided by a dash, hyphen, long hyphen, slash, colon, or space, e.g. "January/April" or whatever (that's not going to cover instances with words or extra spaces, such as "January and February" or "January -

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The "|quote=" parameter would really need a complementary "|trans-quote=" such that readers and editors don't need to translate everytime they need to understand the reference. This also aids in preserving a good translation instead of an impromptu one that easily looses the real meaning.

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I don't think this will work as proposed. Magazines, for example, are published with future dates, i.e. the "May 2016" print issue might be published (and posted on the web with that date) in February or March 2016. There may be some value in checking for dates that are too far apart. –

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The singular/plural annotation of the editor name lists is not part of the multiple names test change. The annotation that I described is how the live module currently operates. The change does not modify that. Here is the same example you mentioned modified to use the live module:

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Various government agencies and private companies maintain private internet archives which may become available in the future. We should assume good faith, keep the citation, retain the url and accessdate for potential future use, but suppress the usurped url in the citation display.

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it's still a CS1-based, specific-source template. Once the last 90 articles are switched over, it will be nominated for deletion. Until then, it still meets the two facets for that category, namely it uses CS1 and it's a template for a specific, albeit no-longer-existant, source.

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Hmm, coding for each possible month seperator (-, —, :, /, and with and without spaces, and then separate cases for each reasonably possible month combination (January-February, January-March, February-March, etc. etc. etc.) -- this would be require a large hand-written table...

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That works today when the original url is archived. But often it is not archived or, as in this example, even if it is archived the current robots.txt is blocking access to the archive. We need a solution for situations when a search in the archives for the original page fails.

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The URL, not the archive URL. And there's no reason to have an archive URL access date. Your suggestion that "can be changed to display error if accessdate is after archivedate" is precluded on some false notion that this is an error. I can think of no reason why it would be.

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I wonder why an unverifiable url needs to be preserved. It adds nothing to the citation or to the statement it supposedly supports. If the only support for that statement was contained in the allegedly existing webpage, then this statement could now be challenged according to

7423:. There has been just enough confusion so that it worked ok for a while, and people used {EB1911|page} many times to get "{cite encyclopedia|title=page|...}" but now is broken again. People seem to want to use {EB1911|page}, and so I think it should work again. Any plans? 794:

and MLA seem to suggest that speech titles (they use the term 'lectures') should be quoted. APA seems to suggest that one doesn't cite a speech directly but, rather cites an 'authoritative source for the text.' That last I think applies to us because of the nature of

2142: 1347:. The link is truly dead if the browser cannot find the domain or the server says the page does not exist. If the server comes back with a meaningful page, I would say the link has been "usurped", although I dislike the term because it implies something illegal. 6977:

colors, or we would want to suppress one but not the other information depending on output device, speech output?), so I think it's generally best to keep logically separable info in separate parameters (this applies to a number of other parameters as well). --

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While such consistency checks can help locating typos, transmission errors or faked info, we must be very careful to not overdo them. There should always be a way to disable such checks to cope with the (probably not many) cases where a check would give false

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carefully defining those date formats. Quarterly dates get just that single mention and that mention suggests a format that looks a lot like three of the unacceptable date formats in the unacceptable date formats table. See these unacceptable examples at

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There is no way to programmatically tell that a page can no longer be accessed even if it has an archive, and this change would not change that fact. So no, it's not okay, and yes, that's just fine. I don't see a need to change this functionality either.

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In the past, users would choose to load pdf plugins if they wanted to see embedded pdfs. This may also be the case with some browsers today. This requirement is still being signaled by the pdf icon, and recommended in the template doc through the use of

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So I suggest unless there is a clear consensus to the contrary (and I do not mean two or three comments here) that this "rule" is removed and not acted upon until such time as an RfC is run that shows that this is a prohibition that has a consensus. --

549:. I have had my hands slapped for touching TemplateData – programming code that has been placed in template documentation, a terrible programming practice – so I no longer touch it. I do not consider TemplateData part of the template's documentation. – 6053:

In January this year, the template started having "Check |author-last1= value" errors. The help message said "make sure that there are no illegal characters in the paired parameters", and encoding the square brackets got rid of that error message

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A proposal that all citations to un-archived dead links should be removed after a specified period of time could be raised at the Village Pump. This discussion is about how to represent citations to un-archived dead links that have been usurped.

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Agreed. However, if the citation depended solely on that url, it is now violating Knowledge guidelines and policy on verifiability. It should be removed, pending return to verifiability, and the previously supported text should be flagged with

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Ah, see, I interpreted that wrongly. I would have a 1-7 day tolerance on the delta, but otherwise, I agree that would be a good test. (I think we have a similar test with a 1 day delta e.g. accessdate up to 1 date prior to publication date.)

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is a free-form parameter so its content is not restricted. That means you can include both the original and the translation in the same parameter. Keep it brief. If the quote is lengthy, consider putting it in an end note and referencing

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This is not the question in this case. Here there is no proper url about the material cited. Some say that the url in question pointed elsewhere at some time in the past. You might as well be saying that you've seen a pig fly. Who can tell?

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For the specific-source templates, there is no such simple tool. But, since the 'style' for cs1 is periods for element separator, period for terminal punctuation, semicolon for author separator, static text in sentence case, and automatic

2593:, I am raising the issue here of providing support for the use of quarterly date formats in citations. There are publications that use this date format, and I can't see any reason not to provide support for this. Some earlier discussions: 2786:

Jan-Mar 2016). This is to allow people looking up that publication to find it! What is needed is to stop the error messages when no actual error has been made. It just makes the (otherwise excellent) error-detection system look silly.

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is not compliant, because it is not based on a cs1 template (the only current requirement). The relevant section says nothing about display mode/delimiters. So either the help page has to be edited, or the specific-source category.

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regarding template coding – an issue that I wager is lost to 90% of editors, let alone Knowledge readers, who will likely see no effect whichever way. And this RFC seems likely to spawn more RFCs, and even more esoteric ones.

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You could ask the original publisher to somehow make available their own copy of the site (if any). I think this would be regarded as a primary source, since there would be no way to compare it with the live website as it was

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The url should be preserved. The source page was there once, and quite possibly it is preserved in an archive somewhere which may become accessible in the future. Perhaps the citation template should have a parameter like

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The new form url also supports certain flags or modifiers that can be appended to the url's timestamp. These do not work with the old form urls. Adding the flags to the old form urls will result in a 404 error message:

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I favor the use of cs1|2 templates but I recognize that it is just a tool suitable for use in most but not all cases. If the tool does not do what it is that you want it to do, don't use it. Nothing compels its

1965:. Any material that needs a source. This discussion is about a statement relying a source that does not exist (some say it existed in the past, but this cannot be verified). Where exactly is the misunderstanding? 6796:

notable publisher than for a notable one. If an editor sees that the publisher is known to "someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize" (to borrow a phrase from

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source integrity. It is important not to fiddle with what the source actually is (and what the publication uses for its dates) in the name of some consistent style. It is more important for people to be able to

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Some say urls just clutter up a citation. Others say they should be provided as a courtesy if available. There is certainly no requirement to provide a url. This discussion belongs at the Village Pump, not here.

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the www.example.com server may still handle a request for that url. It may give a "404 File not found" message, or a nicer "Ooops!" message. It may give a search screen or simply present the home page, as with

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parameters to achieve certain visual effects; this was true in some of the cs1 templates so you will sometimes see a different ordering of the citation elements when comparing the module rendering to that of

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Nice proposal, to be sure :). One detail about the multiple names test: in the discussion, you give an example with multiple editors. Shouldn't the role be specified in plural? i.e. (eds.) instead of (ed.).

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I am not writing all of this as a dismissal of the idea. I am on record as supporting it and my opinion has not changed. However, the 'pressing need' has not been voiced so I've been off doing other stuff.

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Getting back to the original point, it seems we have agreement that speeches should be in quotation marks. Does anyone know where to request a change to the template? The talk page for it redirects to here.

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has only been deprecated because the website was shut down almost a year ago. All articles using it as a source need to have it replaced with some other source going forward, which has been a slow process.

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indicating that there may be limited free views. This may depend on date of access. So that date should be indicated, either in the template, or explicitly in the note if the template does not require

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If the publisher is notable and has an article independent of the "work", the "publisher" parameter can include a wiki-link to that article, but should never externally link to the publisher's website.

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I've been told that an RfC is needed to make this sort of change. Is that really true? Is it not just common sense to add support for a date format that is used a fair amount, even if not widely used?

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article on goldfish breeding was supported by a web page about goldfish at xyz.com in 2009. The url now points to a completely different page. The question is how to represent that in the citation.

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in the article was supported by a web page with that title at that url on that access date. The url now points to a completely different page. The question is how to represent that in the citation.

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In the particular case I'm concerned with, it was a speech given at an event, with a video of the speech available on the site of the hosting entity. The event is notable and has its own article. —

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FWIW I agree with both SMcCandlish's addition and Trappist's software check. I think this is an error (or, sometimes, not so much an error as intentional spam) and should be flagged as an error. —

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creation disabled, 'compliance with the 'style' can be determined by inspection. It may, though, be necessary to read the code because it is possible that these specific-source templates misuse

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Otherwise, if year-only access-dates would no longer be allowed, we'd be forced to omit vital information or "invent" dates such as yyyy-01-01 or yyyy-12-31 in such cases - not a good idea IMO.

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I do not dispute this. I dispute that it is necessary to link to the publisher, and in the same field as the publisher. My concern certainly would be in use of a less well-known publisher per

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Maybe we don't care about the exact content of the timestamp flag other than to make sure that it is three characters, two letters and an underscore. For example, this url works even though

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Ignoring the all numeric ISO style dates, all of the other date fields in a cite should be in the same format. All using short or long months and all either day first or month first format.

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I disagree. The end-result is that the source is not accessible under some circumstances. This has to be signaled, because it will affect verification for some readers. For now, I would use

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So I didn't get the archive.org url test quite right. There are a handful of variants that I hadn't considered. First there is an old url and a new url. These two are mostly compatible:

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If it's unchallenged, and is not a quotation, and is not a contentious claim concerning a living person, it implicitly satisfies WP:V. It might not satisfy other policies though (not just

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It would be best if WP:MOSNUM succinctly defined how quarterly dates are to be rendered because cs1|2 follow the rules set down there except in the clearly identified cases enumerated at

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is to signal editors that there is a problem url. If that url reputedly contained a source, and there is no other substitute for the url and/or the source, then the source does not exist.

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There is, the same mechanism that adds the maintenance cat. But the purpose is to reduce or eliminate the semantically incorrect multiple-names-in-a-singular-parameter; not to mask it.

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dead. Without any archived copies of the old website accessible, it's as if the only copy of a book being cited were destroyed. In either case, it's not longer verifiable in any form.

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In some website citations, I've found they offer a handful of "free views" before locking it down with subscription required. How should this be handled? Mark it as subscription=yes?

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measure. If the source cannot be verified after a suitable length of time (which may be a short as hours for highly controversial subjects), any reference to it should be removed.

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the site was up. The other option is not to include any reference to the website in the citation; it looks unverifiable. You can, as suggested, include refs from reliable sources

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No, use of adblocking software is a user choice. The ability to get to the site to verify a reference is therefore their own choice unlike a page where subscription is required.

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was added comparatively recently, when it was decided to introduce hyphenated forms for many parameters. They are fully interchangeable, and you may use whichever you prefer. --

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terms that someone who is a good general-interest editor would not think of. So the dead url should remain as a clue to editors who may be able to find where it has moved to.

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parameter will do the job, it is more cumbersome than using a dedicated parameter, and might create inconsistent formatting, if more than one id will have to be put into the

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should require both the title of the speech and the title of the enclosing work – like a chapter in a book. If the speech is published stand-alone as a pamphlet, then use

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Because I don't read any of the above as a definite 'yes, do this' or 'no, don't do this', and so that I can update the live modules, I have hidden the code that supports

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does not refer to 'work', but to a part enclosed in the work, such as an article in a magazine. So things outside the template must change for your request to be applied.

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So do you want the header to be changed? We won't be changing the template itself, and the header doesn't need to be changed either, because that's not how English works.

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Since quarters are often found in publications and less frequently found in other parts of encyclopedia articles, it would be appropriate for Help:Citation Style 1 and

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indicate a corporate name change or takeover. Internet Archive is probably correct to respect current robots.txt restrictions even if they were not there in the past.

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Thanks for that. I've rewritten the function and think that I've fixed the other problem that I hadn't noticed: the flag don't work with the old-style urls. Here's

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is a basic policy and it is one of the clearest such binding documents in Knowledge. If a source is unsupported it just doesn't belong. I agree with flagging it with

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All right, that was fun, I haven't written code in decades, and I'll bet that there are many bugs, errors, and impossibilities there, but couldn't something sort of

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http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121015000000/http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_188086.pdf

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No, not header (necessarily); only parameter name. I basically asked this: Can accessdate be for access to the archived version when original page URL is broken? --

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This is not sensible--why does it matter whether they are in the template in a particular order?--nor do I think the template can even detect which comes first. --

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Yes, changing "-" to "–" removed the (rather vague) error message, thank you - though I'm far from convinced we should be throwing one over such a trivial issue.

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do exactly the same thing, so editors are free to use whichever they prefer. Or did you mean you wanted the heading "Access date" on the Help page to be renamed?

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Nah. Because this page is primarily concerned with current topics, I don't see much reason to keep either of those lists here. We can have the bare-bones

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In all cases though, it would imo be against guideline to enter the resulting url in a citation of the now defunct organization. You are no longer citing

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I would add that this discussion highlights some inconsistencies of cs1 templating. Are they citing 1. media in which source material is distributed (eg

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it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Also, it won't be anything to do with

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I see. Then disregard my counterproposal. Is there no way to search for multiple separators in this field and thereby change the annotation to plural?

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as stated and bolded right now? Or to introduce new accessdate parameter for archive version URLs (for dead or not dead original URLs, doesn’t matter)?

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is how you're going to get what you want, though with at least 4 people lined up to disagree with you, good luck. Responding to your comment in-full:

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that directly supports the material. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed. Please remove contentious material

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also works. Please provide a legitimate case where this error cannot be worked around. Hypothetical "they must exist" doesn't usually work. --

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is in listed under "Full parameter set in horizontal format", under "Full parameter set in vertical format", and in the TemplateData table. —

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and the embedded date is 20121015 (the trailing zeros are a time stamp, which appears to be unused), which translates to 15 October 2012. –

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Wouldn't this work? You find a token such as "/"... you send the (already existing) function "get_month_number" all of the original string

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Having worked on fixing date errors for some time I have a few suggestions for improving the checking that takes place in the templates.

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Can someone look into the CS1 maint checks. This template has recently been complaining about "CS1 maint: Multiple names: authors list"

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When the Lua version was developed the initial goal was to make it render its output for a particular template in the same way that the

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do the same thing; and yes, the former is much more commonly used - but it is not because it is the "more correct form". The reason for

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Accessdates are supposed to show the full date the item was accessed so the check should be tightened to allow only single full dates.

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with parameter lang=pt. I don't know how the source code needs to be changed to achieve that result, sorry. Thanks for your time.

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Is it mentioned in the textual part of the documentation? I can only find it in templatedata, and then only for some templates e.g.

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In this case, it will be likely read as the last name being the only editor, which would be factually and semantically incorrect.

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This seems too picky to me. Knowing the month when a web page was accessed is almost always adequate, if it is even necessary. –

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The way the template documentation is written suggests that it is permissible to cite something that an editor has heard at an

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The parent page states, "There are a number of templates that are CS1 compliant, because they use a CS1 template as a base," (

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Perhaps not the actual order in the wikicode, but consider the chronological order. How can you access a source on 12 June 201

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it would be best if had something more definitive than a single mention (which refers to seasons and not to quarterly dates,

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Cite tweet uses cite web to format citations, and in the case of an author name and twitter username, passes them through as

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I'm not sure why you are encoding the brackets. Maybe that caused an error at some point, but it does not seem to do so now:

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with lang=pt, which is being converted to the native name "Português" instead of the name in English "Portuguese"; I traced

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on the central change. I've simply redirected the "Updates" page to this talk page and have redirected the "Errors" page to

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would display differently than templates built on the Lua module? Since CS1 is an exercise on arriving at a uniform style.

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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for some explanation. I don't think that page helps in this case, but some additional digging may turn up something useful.

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That video is the document that should be cited, when referencing the speech itself (as opposed to the event). I would use

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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discussions and keep related topics together, the talk pages for all Citation Style 1 templates and modules redirect here.

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allegedly supported statement claims, cannot be verified. It therefore does not belong in any encyclopedia. Flagging with

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Can someone add further description on accessdate as I don’t know if it is OK to enter there date of the access to the

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Because this test is hiding legitimate archive urls from readers, I expect to update the live module after 1800 UTC. —

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dates. So this is not satisfactory. It is not satisfactory to have to leave the month blank or put in a false month.

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In cases such as "Oxford University Press" then a link is not needed to help an citation meet the requirements of

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If we should cite videos or other documents as sources for a speech (and I probably agree with this), when should

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Access and archive dates in references should be in either the format used for publication dates, or YYYY-MM-DD.

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The multiple author test is reacting to the semicolon that ends the html entities. Do you have an example of a

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Unfortunately it is hard to separate this original point from a bigger discussion of cs1. As far as I can tell,

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archived versions, because (1) they will not change (2) the URL will be live as long as the entire archive is.

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If the original page is archived, the archived url could be added to the template, and the dependent parameter

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As long as archive.org doesn't throw a 404 error then we can relax this part of the test and I have done so.

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Archive.org's servers automatically map old form urls to new form urls so both of the above links will work.

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do same thing but I guess former is much more used and more correct form. Please see the question above... --

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the source if they need to, rather than get confused by changes introduced to comply with some style manual.

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version rendered. For the most part, that has held true but changes were and have been made since the last

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Maybe a reliable (per Knowledge) 3rd party has downloaded/screen-captured the website in question somewhere?

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If you are certain that the original website publisher had forbidden archiving, there is little to be done.

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Now you're just being ornery. Back at you: lmgtfy.com/?q=date+code+in+the+archived+url+archive.org&l=1

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is singular, the annotation that the module adds is also singular. If the cite uses multiple enumerated

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cite the date of an issue of a publication the same way that the publication does (e.g. Quarter 1 2016,

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MOS isn't mute on quarterly dates, it explicitly permits them - but only in certain circumstances, see

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exists. It has no main page and it's only linked to by ~10 pages. Should anything be done with it? --

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Editor Aymatth2 might contact Internet Archive to see if there is a way around the robots.txt issue.

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published in 2009, and now the new website does not have a "special_report.pdf" file, then the link

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link is more useful, (for readers and editors), for a less notable publisher than for a notable one

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Archive them both someplace? Maybe make a miscellaneous archive into which to dump them? Perhaps

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points to something inappropriate and there is an archive of the source that is available through

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Yes and perhaps no. The test is really supposed to be catching inappropriate wikimarkup in the

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which had a PII, but no DOI (digital object identifier). Is there a conversion table/website? --

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is supposed to hold the title of an article, the illegal characters test applies to it not to

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you used as justification for turning on logging of this "error" on some obscure sentence in

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I propose to update the cs1|2 modules over the weekend of 16–17 April 2016. The changes are:

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article point to the home page of the electric battery blog. Two suggestions have been made:

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is not entirely descriptive of what happens in the real world of citation error-checking. –

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The proposal to add quarterly dates in spite of MOS has not gotten any real support; it was

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So how to enter date of the access to the archived version? It’s not possible except into

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is a free-form parameter, which would accept translations as well, providing a dedicated

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at 21:21, 23 December 2011 (several days after the addition of this obscure novel rule).

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Reliable sources may be citing/mentioning the original website; you could use that info.

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As with pages on archive.org, the date is embedded in the URL. In this case, the URL is

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This might not be a big problem yet, but perhaps something that should be on the radar.

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And you don't think that keeping it in this category is confusing regarding its status?

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I disagree there are/were hundreds (thousands?) of such links in the citation templates

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The confusing thing here is that people seem to be deferring to MOS and things such as

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Not worth to recover this thread from the archive, but for the records, I also removed

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as an error. I have been unable to locate consensus discussion to start doing that.

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The key is to use a proper en dash, which is what the MOS says we're supposed to do.

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I have encountered as similar issue with a publication date of "1-14 April 2016", at

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in the template output, since this is what citations are there for. All right, then.

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I think you might be misunderstanding the "dead link" term here. If you were citing

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should give some guidance on when to use it, and when to use other templates that

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The older definition of what it is that constitutes a cs1 template included both

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Which I expect is what is meant by "ignoring the all numeric ISO style dates"? --

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example may be a reliable source that 1. mentions the no-longer existing webpage

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I believe the title of a speech should be in quotation marks, not italics. But {{

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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which is what the code was looking for so the former caused a timestamp error.

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Yep, that was the single mention of quarterly dates to which I referred in the

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The type of the work (some examples include a document, an article, or a book)

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percent encode square brackets where they occur in the path portion of a url;

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It looks like many publishers use the PII as the second part of the DOI. See

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when some page broke down on 11 April 2016 and was archived on 5 April 2016 (

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A list of those talk pages and their historical archives can be found at ].}}

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Links go dead all the time. If we cannot find an archive url we flag them as

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http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/webarchive/finding-content-web-archive.pdf

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here. (And don't forget to use an en dash or a spaced en dash as required).

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2. the specific content in that webpage that is pertinent to the statement.

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c1|2 have become their own styles. They are none of the published styles:

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Is that a purely hypothetical question, or is there any issue somewhere? ~

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subpages in order to centralize those talk pages (as decided earlier) and

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this is not something we test for but could. It is the same test as the

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Please do not put words into my mouth that I did not speak. I said that

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Hi. Please change "Português" to "Portuguese" that results from invoking

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A list of those talk pages and their historical archives can be found at

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And while we're talking about archives, can we do away with the enormous

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Help talk:Citation Style 1/Centralized discussions/Miscellaneous archives

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There can be no assumption of good faith when it comes to verifiability.

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Is someone going to fix this or am I going to have to do it myself? --

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Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 1#This help page not for novel rules

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https://web.archive.org/web/20020930123525lu_/http://www.wikipedia.org/

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invocation but keep the list of redirected pages. What do you think? --

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but intead of html entities it uses plain brackets. No error message:

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some support for three-character language codes and associated names;

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some support for three-character language codes and associated names;

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Transliteration parameter "quote=" needs a complementary trans-quote=

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Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed

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I would remove the archives templates currently being hosted in the

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and this is the case that caused us to invent this error detector:

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https://web.archive.org/web/20020930123525/http://www.wikipedia.org

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Why do you continue to fork the conversation that is happening at

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I noticed that this template does not have an entry field for the

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new form with flags (known flags are: 'id_', 'js_', 'cs_', 'im_')

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seems a bit misleading. Any ideas on how this could be handled? --

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so, by the old definition, these two at least, are cs1 compliant.

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Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 10#External link in publisher=

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s that have three extra characters after the timestamp (they are

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is to substitute the url when an archive exists. The function of

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The publisher of the work (for example, Oxford University Press)

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Is this how the error checking is intended to work? Either way,

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the templates do support month ranges that comply with the MOS:

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template and just have a simple box in its place with a link to

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Off-hand, do you know/have any idea whether templates built on

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Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 10#Publisher plus.google.com

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Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 10#Publisher plus.google.com

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the token, and (if that's accepted) all of the original string

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https://web.archive.org/20020930123525/http://www.wikipedia.org

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Tous les Haïtiens sont unis par une Langue commune : le Créole.

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Please find out how robots.txt works before assuming anything:

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Shouldn't a speech be in quotation marks rather than italics? —

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to see how similar or different the renderings old v. new are.

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should be used rather than just deleting the inline citation.

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be used? It seems appropriate in a list of publications as in

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I was thinking of just full dates rather than partial dates.

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I think that Editor Aymatth2 is looking for a way to prevent

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I think this proposal needs to be more specific. What about

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I think a change 4 years old can reasonably be construed as

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template convert it to the desired character for display. --

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Oh, ok nev-er-mind... thanks! Yes I was using the hyphen...

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will not link to the original URL in the rendered citation;

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was added to the list of parameters tested because of this

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I already pushed the date validation talk page archives to

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Fix comment identifying templates used by "city" parameter

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It doesn't matter what MOS 'permits'. Knowledge citations

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I think that "usurped" was designed for this situation. –

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Update to the live CS1 module weekend of 16–17 April 2016

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We don't support month ranges and this is unsatisfactory

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ambiguous? This is not a matter of choice. The material

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that would suppress the url link and add a message like

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It shouldn't. That's a browser issue, not a link issue.

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And both of those are wrong. It should be a full date.

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with parameter 1 intended as "title=pagename" or also

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Note that the square brackets are actually encoded as

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Meaning: I counterpropose suspension of this feature.

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from the documentation of all of the CS1 templates. –

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The date of archiving is pretty clearly in the URL. --

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I have taken a stab at updating the documentation in

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value is added (bad practice btw), then its superset

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was intended for the similar case where the original

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Subscription required, but offers limited free views

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Category:Citation Style 1 specific-source templates

6814:The word "source" in Knowledge has three meanings: 580:, I clicked the talk tab, and the URL displayed as 5660:CS1 maint authors list being flagged in Cite tweet 4045:wildcard character ('*') in place of a timestamp: 3611:{{cite book |title=Title |editor=one, two, three}} 2425:Academic ranks (Portugal and Brazil)#Federal level 2279:Help talk:Citation Style 1/Centralized discussions 2269:Help talk:Citation Style 1/Centralized discussions 2162:Help talk:Citation Style 1/Centralized discussions 7023:{{cite news |title=title |accessdate=June 2015 }} 6820:The creator of the work (for example, the writer) 6274:and the characters special characters < : --> 830:because it makes no mention of an enclosing work. 522:. So, which templates are you finding this on? -- 7644:That being the case, we should probably restore 6699:The link given under discussion is now archived 5124:February", but let's live with that for now)... 3402:create common location for stripmarker patterns 3231:being much more commonly used is simply because 1877:that is unsourced or poorly sourced immediately. 582:https://en.wikipedia.org/Template_talk:Cite_news 7440:Template talk:EB1911#Unnamed parameter handling 7154:Check that the dates are in the correct order. 2737:but, apparently no one cared enough to comment. 2711:CS1 compliance with Knowledge's Manual of Style 2641:CS1 compliance with Knowledge's Manual of Style 2563:Thanks a lot, I didn't know where else to ask. 1042:Knowledge:Village pump (technical)#Recycled url 935:, is this right? Perhaps the documentation for 539:I see it in the TemplateData documentation for 7530:Should the parent page add guidance regarding 7510:(as is the case with doi links, for example). 6319:should be updated to match the new reality. - 6946:Perhaps you mean 'translation'? Regardless, 6516:. Please correct any mistakes I have made. – 4316: 4288: 4260: 4232: 4204: 4171: 4163: 4151: 4139: 4127: 4115: 4078: 4050: 4017: 3989: 3981: 3969: 3932: 3219:In response to an earlier question, yes both 3002:version or only to date of the access to the 2006:Help talk:Citation Style 1#duplicated styling 1403:is still required. Other accepted values are 6907:#Proposal: addition of 'author-id' parameter 6884:Your "disagreement" is evidently false; see 6391:(this is why #3 and #4 do not show errors): 5611:, if it is not too cumbersome to implement. 3827: 3630:: CS1 maint: multiple names: editors list ( 7342:date=April 2016 | access-date = May 1, 2016 5781:) CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list ( 5745:) CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list ( 5496:Author (January–February 2016). "Article". 3615: 3561:then the module adds the plural annotation. 2718:Knowledge:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers 467:parameter, but this parameter is unknown. — 7401:Recently there have been many pages using 5785:) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list ( 5749:) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list ( 4992:-- compare the list of months to the input 3704:https://web.archive.org/YYYYMMDDhhmmss/... 7617:but perhaps I was a bit hasty. Clearly, 6035:It looks to me like the documentation at 5696:{{cite web |author={{{author}}} | ... }} 5327:-- then all of the string after the token 5294:-- get all of the string before the token 4401:Journal of Civil Engineering and Urbanism 3924:I have modified the code in the sandbox. 1345:http://www.gearcampaign.org/lost_file.php 1340:http://www.example.com/special_report.pdf 1305:http://www.example.com/special_report.pdf 7987:(and its parent) is cs1 because it uses 7832:Template:IBAF Women's World Rankings ref 7496:end. Personally again, I may also add a 7211:that wasn't published until 12 April 201 6711:Help:Citation Style 1#Work and publisher 4398:(PII). I was citing an article from the 3702:. Archive.org accepts urls in the form 2608:Allow "Quarter" dates in Date parameter? 7705:-rendered template was integrated into 5664:The following was originally posted at 3920:– old form with flags returns 404 error 3771:and broken references 20 and 60 in the 3698:Done. I discovered and fixed a bug in 2673:Knowledge:Citing sources#Citation style 2671:"Special rules apply to citations; see 2598:cite journal and quarterly publications 2379:Protected edit request on 10 April 2016 2125:Module talk:Citation/CS1/Error checking 14: 7580:order to be included to the category. 6546:We are now flagging external links in 6008: 5991: 5952: 5938: 5869: 5762: 5726: 5524: 5495: 4199:old form with flags for completeness: 3009:to archive such archive websites... -- 790:I think that I am inclined to agree. 623:, thanks for the link. I have removed 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 7346:date=2016 | access-date = May 1, 2016 5593:quite explain what the problem is. ~ 4758:-- we found a month name in the input 4018:"Fail: 15-digit timestamp (old form)" 3990:"Fail: 13-digit timestamp (new form)" 3978:"Pass: 14-digit timestamp (old form)" 3966:"Pass: 14-digit timestamp (new form)" 2431:and believe the problem is linked to 1099:(page no longer at original location) 7791:The following may not be compliant: 7392:The following discussion is closed. 6174:{{cite book |title=title |author= }} 5849:that won't accept plain brackets in 2250: 1884:), but that's not the issue here. -- 907:)? Or (confusingly) both or either? 588:. I didn't realize I was posting on 25: 6654:Can someone please enlighten me? – 6275:don't actually need to be encoded: 4432:if you can't figure out the DOI. – 3457:Module:Citation/CS1/Date validation 3408:fix bad url duplicate styling; see 2183:module talk:Citation/CS1/Archive 12 2020:must be added. And then logically, 1056:Gender Equality Architecture Reform 1048:Gender Equality Architecture Reform 23: 7534:templates? Randomly going through 6450: 6399: 6281: 6228: 6177: 6128: 6091: 6088:{{cite book |title=title |author=] 5525:Author (Mar–Apr 2016). "Article". 5255:-- we have found one of the tokens 3808:La Constitution de 1987, Article 5 3375:attend to items on the TODO list; 2704:, APA, MLA, <your TLA here: --> 2435:. Could you please check. Thanks. 1501:|title=GEAR Campaign Working Group 1176:the organization and its website. 24: 8141: 7067:There are some with just a year. 6828:All three can affect reliability. 5853:? Here is the example from your 5777:: CS1 maint: extra punctuation ( 5741:: CS1 maint: extra punctuation ( 3812:(in French). 1987. Archived from 3396:Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration 3272:How to handle revised documents? 3096:So it is OK to enter, let’s say, 2879:to define a format for quarters. 1802:is an inducement to quickly (per 897:) or 2. source material type (eg 7838:Template:IBAF World Rankings ref 7457:The discussion above is closed. 7318:Actually, also this caveat from 6356:External link in |<param: --> 6341:parameters. For your examples: 5399:-- if still ok so far do nothing 3767:). See an example at the top of 3486:; improved isbn error messages; 3418:; improved isbn error messages; 3363:internationalized domain names; 3172:The answer to which was "No". -- 2457: 2386: 2331: 2254: 2107:Module talk:Citation/CS1/Updates 2101:I'm working through some of the 1338:If there is no longer a file at 584:, so I thought I was posting on 318:. And what of other such cases? 127:accessibility issue much like a 29: 7886:Template:BoM Aust stats/sandbox 7300:This is sensible, except where 4390:Publisher Item Identifier (PII) 3476:Module:Citation/CS1/Identifiers 3914:– old form without flags works 2709:most part, it sucks. But, at 2669:, when that explicitly states 1450:. In this case, the original 194:(Website must be white-listed) 13: 1: 8075:Knowledge talk:Citing sources 7800:Template:American Factfinder3 6995:Suggested further date checks 6514:Help:CS1_errors#bad_paramlink 6317:Help:CS1_errors#bad_paramlink 6081:Help:CS1_errors#bad_paramlink 6037:Help:CS1_errors#bad_paramlink 5822:Help:CS1_errors#bad_paramlink 3445:Module:Citation/CS1/Whitelist 2585:Quarterly date issues (redux) 2540:and the fix needed should be 2515:It's also nothing to do with 2024:must stop being dependent on 1555:"GEAR Campaign Working Group" 1514:"GEAR Campaign Working Group" 1172:. You are citing information 1012:Module:Citation/CS1/Whitelist 6724:at 16:05, 16 December 2011 ( 6693:10:28, 8 December 2015 (UTC) 6664:06:01, 8 December 2015 (UTC) 5690:) 13:42, 19 April 2016 (UTC) 3951:is malformed: save command ( 3501:update stripmarker pattern; 3369:update stripmarker pattern; 2939:I believe CS1 complies with 2523:, which is not protected. -- 2308:tags, and Bob's your uncle, 2077:|dead-url=usurped no archive 2014:|dead-url=usurped no archive 1705:At least initially, I think 1497:|dead-url=usurped no archive 1475:|dead-url=usurped no archive 118:Sites that block ad blockers 7: 7951:is cs1 even though it uses 7548:). Others are not based on 6534:External link in publisher= 5363:-- if ok so far, do nothing 4051:"Fail: wildcard (new form)" 3769:Template:Cite web/testcases 3745:Module:Citation/CS1/sandbox 3310:(Revised ed.). August 2013 2720:§ Dates, months and years ( 2413:to reactivate your request. 2401:has been answered. Set the 2189:), but the Updates page? -- 2097:Some more talk page cleanup 2036:) 14:24, 4 April 2016 (UTC) 1949:Interesting. Is the phrase 1370:Does this excerpt from the 1052:http://www.gearcampaign.org 698:Cite speech title parameter 266:National Memorial Arboretum 10: 8146: 8116:06:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC) 8088:00:08, 28 April 2016 (UTC) 8065:19:49, 27 April 2016 (UTC) 8035:19:07, 27 April 2016 (UTC) 8008:17:45, 27 April 2016 (UTC) 7935:are cs1 if we restore the 7916:17:18, 27 April 2016 (UTC) 7891:Template:Cite OCLC/sandbox 7773:14:50, 27 April 2016 (UTC) 7755:10:21, 27 April 2016 (UTC) 7687:00:11, 27 April 2016 (UTC) 7663:23:00, 26 April 2016 (UTC) 7590:19:48, 26 April 2016 (UTC) 7526:Specific-source templates. 7520:23:50, 27 April 2016 (UTC) 7490:20:21, 27 April 2016 (UTC) 7452:23:47, 24 April 2016 (UTC) 7433:21:49, 24 April 2016 (UTC) 7372:11:41, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 7358:03:58, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 7336:02:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 7314:01:22, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 7296:22:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC) 7286:should give a date error. 7261:03:58, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 7246:02:29, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 7231:01:45, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 7202:01:22, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 7187:22:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC) 7177:should give a date error. 7144:23:56, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 7105:11:56, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 7077:11:42, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 7063:03:58, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 7049:01:22, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 7035:22:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC) 7025:should give a date error. 7009:22:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC) 6987:23:24, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 6964:15:09, 19 April 2016 (UTC) 6941:00:37, 19 April 2016 (UTC) 6919:11:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC) 6901:You should perhaps review 6867:09:53, 21 April 2016 (UTC) 6853:11:46, 25 March 2016 (UTC) 6784:18:08, 19 March 2016 (UTC) 6769:16:11, 19 March 2016 (UTC) 6750:14:13, 19 March 2016 (UTC) 6526:13:16, 20 April 2016 (UTC) 6504:10:09, 20 April 2016 (UTC) 6331:04:43, 20 April 2016 (UTC) 6070:02:40, 20 April 2016 (UTC) 6049:00:42, 20 April 2016 (UTC) 5982:|url=https://twitter.com}} 5929:|url=https://twitter.com}} 5892:00:36, 20 April 2016 (UTC) 5836:23:36, 19 April 2016 (UTC) 5808:23:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC) 5717:|url=https://twitter.com}} 5655:22:07, 18 April 2016 (UTC) 5636:20:18, 18 April 2016 (UTC) 5621:13:20, 13 April 2016 (UTC) 5603:19:47, 12 April 2016 (UTC) 5585:01:08, 11 April 2016 (UTC) 5571:01:02, 11 April 2016 (UTC) 5480:00:52, 11 April 2016 (UTC) 4489:11:10, 18 April 2016 (UTC) 4442:23:07, 20 March 2016 (UTC) 4414:20:20, 20 March 2016 (UTC) 4385:10:14, 17 April 2016 (UTC) 4354:23:33, 16 April 2016 (UTC) 4079:"Fail wildcard (old form)" 3874:23:44, 16 April 2016 (UTC) 3793:18:16, 16 April 2016 (UTC) 3727:11:43, 16 April 2016 (UTC) 3683:17:13, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 3666:15:26, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 3652:14:31, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 3602:14:13, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 3588:14:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 3574:13:48, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 3537:13:07, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 3521:11:24, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 3330:13:52, 16 April 2016 (UTC) 3295:13:10, 16 April 2016 (UTC) 3248:09:04, 16 April 2016 (UTC) 3215:06:14, 16 April 2016 (UTC) 3200:01:56, 16 April 2016 (UTC) 3182:01:27, 16 April 2016 (UTC) 3168:01:19, 16 April 2016 (UTC) 3153:00:10, 16 April 2016 (UTC) 3134:23:39, 15 April 2016 (UTC) 3076:23:30, 15 April 2016 (UTC) 3041:23:16, 15 April 2016 (UTC) 3019:21:33, 15 April 2016 (UTC) 2978:20:02, 13 April 2016 (UTC) 2953:19:51, 13 April 2016 (UTC) 2934:19:00, 13 April 2016 (UTC) 2889:22:22, 12 April 2016 (UTC) 2864:22:06, 12 April 2016 (UTC) 2815:22:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC) 2797:21:53, 12 April 2016 (UTC) 2774:20:11, 12 April 2016 (UTC) 2753:19:06, 12 April 2016 (UTC) 2696:17:39, 12 April 2016 (UTC) 2660:17:14, 12 April 2016 (UTC) 2623:16:25, 12 April 2016 (UTC) 2573:00:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC) 2559:22:57, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 2536:22:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 2511:22:47, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 2486:22:43, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 2445:22:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 2371:10:27, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 2325:17:58, 16 March 2016 (UTC) 2223:17:27, 16 March 2016 (UTC) 2199:17:27, 16 March 2016 (UTC) 2177:17:15, 16 March 2016 (UTC) 2137:14:52, 16 March 2016 (UTC) 2119:14:51, 16 March 2016 (UTC) 2092:10:26, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 1479:|dead-url=unfit no archive 1245:23:53, 31 March 2016 (UTC) 1220:22:02, 31 March 2016 (UTC) 1201:15:58, 31 March 2016 (UTC) 1186:14:59, 31 March 2016 (UTC) 1149:23:34, 30 March 2016 (UTC) 1134:21:21, 30 March 2016 (UTC) 1111:14:58, 30 March 2016 (UTC) 959:06:27, 10 April 2016 (UTC) 590:Help talk:Citation Style 1 18:Help talk:Citation Style 1 7896:Template:Cite QPN/sandbox 7575:With all the noise about 6896:what a reliable source is 6612: 6572: 6558: 6004: 5987: 5969: 5948: 5934: 5918: 5758: 5722: 5706: 4525:to find month ranges... 4472:I would support adding a 4396:Publisher Item Identifier 4097:is malformed: timestamp ( 4069:is malformed: timestamp ( 4036:is malformed: timestamp ( 4008:is malformed: timestamp ( 3764: 3760: 3756: 3752: 3706:This form is remapped to 3495:Module:Citation/CS1/COinS 3424:add multiple names test; 3381:add multiple names test; 3102:|archivedate=5 April 2016 3098:|accessdate=16 April 2016 2467:Template:Citation Style 1 2433:Template:Citation Style 1 2354:20:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC) 2240:template here like this: 2068:17:25, 4 April 2016 (UTC) 2050:14:55, 4 April 2016 (UTC) 1975:15:02, 2 April 2016 (UTC) 1897:08:29, 2 April 2016 (UTC) 1850:15:02, 2 April 2016 (UTC) 1831:02:33, 2 April 2016 (UTC) 1816:00:53, 2 April 2016 (UTC) 1787:23:41, 1 April 2016 (UTC) 1772:23:20, 1 April 2016 (UTC) 1740:21:31, 1 April 2016 (UTC) 1725:21:12, 1 April 2016 (UTC) 1701:20:59, 1 April 2016 (UTC) 1676:16:09, 1 April 2016 (UTC) 1661:15:21, 1 April 2016 (UTC) 1621:12:28, 1 April 2016 (UTC) 1606:11:24, 1 April 2016 (UTC) 1549: 1508: 1490: 1433:02:43, 1 April 2016 (UTC) 1357:12:28, 1 April 2016 (UTC) 1327:02:23, 1 April 2016 (UTC) 1292:01:15, 1 April 2016 (UTC) 1268:00:59, 1 April 2016 (UTC) 1028:19:13, 9 April 2016 (UTC) 988:16:59, 9 April 2016 (UTC) 917:13:38, 9 April 2016 (UTC) 883:13:24, 9 April 2016 (UTC) 859:01:02, 9 April 2016 (UTC) 843:00:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC) 784:00:00, 9 April 2016 (UTC) 756:23:08, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 732:22:32, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 714:21:27, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 654:22:15, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 637:19:54, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 616:18:48, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 559:14:36, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 535:09:44, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 495:09:42, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 477:06:43, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 443:16:50, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 400:16:32, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 373:15:51, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 355:15:34, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 339:14:49, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 312:11:11, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 297:10:03, 8 April 2016 (UTC) 239:19:00, 6 April 2016 (UTC) 220:17:43, 6 April 2016 (UTC) 206:17:17, 6 April 2016 (UTC) 178:17:07, 6 April 2016 (UTC) 149:15:57, 6 April 2016 (UTC) 7850:Template:Cite Wikisource 7459:Please do not modify it. 7394:Please do not modify it. 7162:should always be before 5666:Template talk:Cite tweet 5641:I have made a proposal ( 5129: 4818:-- starting with January 4527: 2589:Following discussion at 2103:Module talk:Citation/CS1 2004:This comment moved from 1758:. As is clear this is a 264:is throwing an error on 7971:is cs1 because it uses 7901:Template:Cite WoRMS/doc 7613:from the definition at 7421:Text "pagename" ignored 6026:Does that work for you? 5432:-- still ok? we're good 5342:month_range_start_month 5258:month_range_start_month 4517:Extended coding content 3739:The update breaks some 3708:https://web.archive.org 3700:fix archive_url_check() 3616:one, two, three (ed.). 3430:add missing pipe test; 3387:add missing pipe test; 2911:Symphony No. 7 (Arnold) 682:10:57, 9 May 2016 (UTC) 586:Template talk:Cite news 7983:BoM Aust stats/sandbox 7959:(cs2) because it sets 7607:. I recently removed 6843:suggests an error. -- 6833: 6278:|author-link=Author }} 5976:|author-link=Real Name 5692: 5444:-- never found a token 3828: 3484:|ignore-isbn-error=yes 3416:|ignore-isbn-error=yes 2521:Template:Cite act/core 2429:Template:Cite act/core 2421:Template talk:Cite act 2399:Template:Cite act/core 2038: 1879: 1421: 463:Documentation lists a 7761:H:CS1#Specific source 6809: 6554:Cite book comparison 5980:|title=Tweet contents 5927:|title=Tweet contents 5715:|title=Tweet contents 5670: 5378:month_range_end_month 5297:month_range_end_month 4362:is not a valid flag: 3507:refine coins_cleanup; 3089:Because parameter is 2603:Quarterly periodicals 2010: 1961:be verifiable. 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