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Medinah, where Hisham ibn `urwah lived the first seventy one years of his life has narrated the event , even though in
Medinah his pupils included people as well known as Malik ibn Anas. All the narratives of this event have been reported by narrators from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have had shifted after living in Medinah for seventy one years. Tehzibu'l-tehzib, one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet (pbuh) reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: "narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq". It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through people of Iraq. (vol 11, pg 48 - 51) "Yaqub ibn Shaibah says: He is highly reliable, his narratives are acceptable, except what he narrated after moving over to Iraq." (Tehzi'bu'l-tehzi'b, Ibn Hajar Al-`asqala'ni, Arabic, Dar Ihya al-turath al-Islami, Vol 11, pg 50) "I have been told that Malik objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through people of Iraq." (Tehzi'bu'l-tehzi'b, Ibn Hajar Al-`asqala'ni, Arabic, Dar Ihya al-turath al-Islami, Vol 11, pg 50) Mizanu'l-ai`tidal, another book on the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet (pbuh) reports that when he was old, Hisham's memory suffered quite badly. (vol 4, pg 301 - 302) "when he was old, Hisham's memory suffered quite badly" (Mizanu'l-ai`tidal, Al-Zahbi, Arabic, Al-Maktabatu'l-athriyyah, Sheikhupura, Pakistan, Vol 4, pg 301)
909:"Aisha and Hasfa were two insubordinate figures among Muhammad's wives. " source three is Muhammad haykal's "The life of Muhammad" the exact passage on page 476 reads "All the forgoing conflicts between the prophet and his wives did not in the least affect the conduct of public affairs" end of quote. Their is no mention of Aisha or hafsa by name on the entire page. the wording say's they where insubordinate wives, this sentence in a biography means they where like this for the entirety of their life's, which is a false assertion and no source supports this. even the article itself elsewhere indicates the prophet had a generally good relationship with all his wives. you can not word the sentence this way since any marriage will have periods of turmoil and it is a far stretch to conclude from this that they had no respect for him. The incident in which the biography itself mentions the prophet having been separated from ALL his wives for a period of one month ended with the prophet giving them all an ultimatum and that was that they should either chose him and lead a monastic pious life or divorce him and he would provide them with riches and wealth, none of his wives chose the latter.
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in point...your holy grail of imam Tabari which is clearly the most popular sunni history available, had you known that their is a difference between a work of history and the collections of ahadith you would know how to judge this work. Sunnis as a whole without exception do not take their religion, moral instructions or any lessons from any work of history such as the history of Tabari, becouse the imams intention behind the work was to simply collect every historical statement or account he could come across and preserve them in a work, he did not go to strict lengths to verify his sources, that wasn't his intention behind the work. So you will find historical statements that are fabricated, inaccurate to varying degrees and accounts which contradict each other, his intention was to simply report, he did this deliberately without mentioning which account he himself preferred and his entire work is like this.
1359:"and to that end, sources should stay as neutral as possible." i have no issue with that but what about the misquotes i have pointed out "Aisha and Hasfa were two insubordinate figures among Muhammad's wives." the first two interprated events according to thier 19th century education and the reality of that century, while the third a work i own does not hold this view at all and their is no primary sources that says they where "insabordinate" their entire lives with the prophet which is different from saying their where acts of insubordination, an entirely different description. Insubordination is a word that carries with it the implicit understanding that a women should be submissive no doubt due to the first two sources being orientalists of the 19th century when subordination or submissiveness of a women to her husband was part of their society.
709:. Neither that article nor this one have cross-references to each other. I would suggest that these articles be cross referred (or even merged into one article). Since there are two differing points of view on Aisha and her life, if two articles are to be kept, the main article should have a Sunni bias (since the "Shi'a view" article already has a Shi'a bias in regards to Aisha and her life). For the sake of completeness, if a Shi'a apologist website such as www.answering-ansar.org is apparently suitable for use on Knowledge (such as in the "Shi'a view of Aisha" article previously mentioned), then a Sunni apologist website such as www.ahielbayt.com would be equally suitable for citation on Knowledge. (I wonder if this website has been referred to in any Knowledge article or not.)
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consideration to our women. It was only after God had revealed in their regard what He did that we started to do so. My wife came once seeking to dissuade me from doing what I had planned to do. When I answered her that this was none of her business, she said: 'How strange of you, 'Umar ibn al-Khattab.' You refuse to be told anything whereas your daughter may criticize her husband, the
Prophet of Godâmay God's peace and blessing be upon himâand do so so strongly that he remains worried the whole day long.' Upon hearing this, I took my mantle and went straight to my daughter, Hafsah , and said to her: 'O my daughter, is it true that you criticize the Prophet of God and do so so strongly that he remains worried the whole day long?' Hafsah answered: 'Indeed,
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conversation in which you find the sentence. This is arab costum,even today. The hadith from
Boukhari, exact sentence extracted from a conversation, tells us an age at these events. This is not enough to tell her age "after birth". Other hadiths teach us that some asked Aisha the question, "whether she rememberd her parents' conversion to Islam", 13 years before she got married. Did one ask her questions about souvenirs 4 years before she was born ? This is ridiculous. More, Aisha answered these questions, that "as long as she can remember, her parents always practiced Islam." If you can assume such souvenirs can only occur at the age of 6, and you add 13 years between her parents' conversion and her marriage, you will reach 19 years, on the spot.
3671:...the first phrase seems impossible (how does someone lose a verse? who gave it to her? how did she lose it: did she drop it or leave it a friend's house?) and the second phrase is literally meaningless in English, I simply have no idea what idea you are trying to get across. This is another important reason to use the talkpage to discuss additions: even if your scholarship is meticulous, text still needs to be well-written, and that requires a certain grasp of English which you lack. No offense is intended, but the simple fact is it is often difficult to understand you and your text needs to significantly reworked. The right place for that is the talkpage, before millions of people see it in the main article. Thanks,
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disputes her involvement in seeking vengeance for uthmans death and being a part of the army, it is clearly disputed that she was the one who formed it, by both sunni and shia sources namely ahadith of the prophet which state that the people would go to her and ask her to join and then lead the army so this quote is incorrect or wrongly worded, most likely by people who dont have a clear grasp of the english language. The question of whether she accused uthman of disbelief is a minority fringe opinion held among the shia and not even all of them so it is even more obscure among shia sources. The quote also goes against wiki policy about what the introduction should be about as it is not a central issue of the article.
4523:. People here don't want content to be too long, they want references, they want proof that content has got weight but they don't want footnotes. You have better suggestion place it. As pointed before the content earlier removed was there in first place due to earlier consensus but later it got removed due to elitist propaganda. So what exactly does that prove? Consensus or no consensus article will remain in the state where new additions will not be allowed and old ones will be selectively deleted. I will love to see this article turning from B class, to Start class to Stub. Consider my suggestion, lock the article or block us out of this article & talk page you guys will have spare time for other things then.--
10202:, now thisevent is quiet important & presumabaly most controversial part of her biography. First para is altogether free from any source listing. Only last line is actually related to her but it also is without citation. Second para has one reference (which like most of the references on article is apparently secondary source but it is not verifiable) but this para also has nothing to do Aisha specifically. Third para also has only one reference (which like most of the references on article is apparently secondary source but it is not verifiable) but most of the content of this most important para of the sub-section is unreferenced. And the last line of the sub-section is also unreferenced.--
6294:, now thisevent is quiet important & presumabaly most controversial part of her biography. First para is altogether free from any source listing. Only last line is actually related to her but it also is without citation. Second para has one reference (which like most of the references on article is apparently secondary source but it is not verifiable) but this para also has nothing to do Aisha specifically. Third para also has only one reference (which like most of the references on article is apparently secondary source but it is not verifiable) but most of the content of this most important para of the sub-section is unreferenced. And the last line of the sub-section is also unreferenced.--
2591:, I meant we must avoid that history be affected by beliefs of some groups, as I explained to user User Doc Tropics, and maybe my wording was bad and I am apologizing. I didn't include Shia beliefs on her (for example some reliable reports which also exists in Sunni's books prove Aisha, with the help of her father and step-uncle, Umar, poisoned Muhammad and he died due to that.) and on the other hand I expect Sunni users respect this manner and don't try to affect her biography by their beliefs. And I expect that user Ibn kathir provide explanation about what's wrong with the current intro (except that some facts are against his beliefs).--
3479:. User Ibn Kathir was using primary sources which were not acceptable. You and user Cuchullain were always using a new excuse irrelevant to the previous one which you both failed in all of them. User Faizhaidar didn't show any disagreement. User HelloAnnyong agreed that intro must include a whole summary of Aisha's life and he was only afraid of incoming war. What do you have to say? A new title again? I am sure If I were deleting an unsourced small paragraph with similar claim of you, for sure till now I was being blocked. I always thought virtual world of Knowledge is different from the real one, in which the organizations like
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of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, it is enough to point out that muhammads worst enemies in his own life time did not object to the marriage or saw anything controversial in it, and you can not judge a indavidual by the standards of society he wasn't a part of didn't grow up in and a time and place he wasn't aware of. Consequently i don't think it is as much of an issue as you perceive but an issue among those who have not perceived history along a time frame and in a sense of progression to understand peoples different psyche and attitude in different cultures and time periods....see
9357:, but modern historians think that his research was flawed and no longer consider his work reliable. However, Ali provides an independent source with nearly identical text, which seems reliable at first glance. I'd like to read the book in question since it could be useful. It seems we could accept the 2 sources together as "good enough for now", but next month I'd like to get my hands on some of these references in person; I think that would help a lot, but I won't have free time until then. Or, if the material seems controversial we can copy it to this page until stronger refs come up.
5449:, but modern historians think that his research was flawed and no longer consider his work reliable. However, Ali provides an independent source with nearly identical text, which seems reliable at first glance. I'd like to read the book in question since it could be useful. It seems we could accept the 2 sources together as "good enough for now", but next month I'd like to get my hands on some of these references in person; I think that would help a lot, but I won't have free time until then. Or, if the material seems controversial we can copy it to this page until stronger refs come up.
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behavior? And can you show me your answer as you claim I didnt hear? But, If you read carefully what I wrote here, you will see I asked all involved user about the structure of the article body, which I was going to improve. There many things about Aisha life that need to be added. The introduction size is good, and gives a whole summarized biography of her, and we need to report deatils of her life in the article body. Also, for deleting sourced info you must discuss in detail. You are free to add any sourced info you want and no one has the right to delete it without discussing.--
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detail. User Doc Tropic, first thanks for your comment. I hope that you won't expect me to have good idea about new title you mentioned, as you deleted sourced info from article body before; But, as I want to go forward and neglect past, and for your pleasure, I will add some materials gradually everyday about the points which are in the intro but do not exist in the article body and I hope you help me to improve them, especially as my
English is not good. I will also add a section about reports of Aisha on Quran, and as this is an important case, it may need better wording.--
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Ali and added content but then it was removed with an excuse that there should be other references. Then I added other references for the statement and removed MA from the text but lo! it is once more deleted. I there is consensus that this article is not to be edited, lock this or lock us out of the article, at least we will be happy that we are not able to touch the article. Things about lead agreed but this way article's main body will never be expanded. You want discussion? if comments above don't count as discussion then probably I need a tutorial on discussion.-
3335:(with consensus for new additions), then we can reasonably discuss which material should be summarized in the introduction. The fact that Aisha narrated many hadith is not the only important thing about her, it is merely used to establish her notability in the first paragraph. The lede can contain up to 4 paragraphs, so it is possible to add more content, but it must be done by mutual agreement, drawing from information in the body. With that understanding, I would gladly look forward to working with you towards improving the overall quality of the article. Thanks,
1468:"Ubayd bin Abi Salma who was a maternal relative of Aisha met her as she was making her way to Madinah. Ubayd said "Uthman has been killed and the people were without an Imam for eight days" to which Aisha asked "What did they do next?". Ubayd said "The people approached 'âAli and gave him bayya". Aisha then said 'Take me back! Take me back to Makkah". She then turned her face towards Makkah and said, 'Verily Uthman was murdered innocently, and By Allah, I shall avenge his blood'. Ubayd then said 'You are now calling Uthman innocent, even though it was you who said
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fabricating them . This along with the fact that they do not follow or adhere to the
Islamic sciences therefor distorting the interpretations of Sunni primary sources,fringe or minority views are not just those held by different groups than sunni's, Sunni's have been identifying and categorizing opinions into minority and majority opinions for well over a thousand years so it should also be noted that any Sunni source is a minority or majority view an example is the issue of Aisha's age the higher figures being a minority view among Sunni scholars.
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fabricating them . This along with the fact that they do not follow or adhere to the
Islamic sciences therefor distorting the interpretations of Sunni primary sources,fringe or minority views are not just those held by different groups than sunni's, Sunni's have been identifying and categorizing opinions into minority and majority opinions for well over a thousand years so it should also be noted that any Sunni source is a minority or majority view an example is the issue of Aisha's age the higher figures being a minority view among Sunni scholars.
4890:. But why sorry? you can see there is no reference for the two sections and contra-reference for the sub-section, you just need to click it and it'll take couple of minutes to read the page its probably 1500 words. Not feeling good to press 'Delete' or 'Backspace' button? Or afraid that article is turning into stub category. Most of the things on this article are conversational, some as per muslim view some as per sunni view some as per shia view some as per western view. So IMO we should avoid any big claim about her without proper RS.
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Mishkat al-Masabih, Iman Wali ud-Din Muhammad Ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, has written about Asmaù, older daughter of Abu Bakr: « She was sister of AiHja Siddiqa, wife of the Holy Prophet's(sws), and was ten years older. In the year 73 (hidhjra) she died at age of 100. » (Mishkat al-Masabih, p. 300-301 Urdu edition). Ibn Kathir, illuster classic commentator of the Holy Qu'ran said the same: « Asmaù died in 73 (hidjra) at age of 100. She was 10 years older than her sister Aisha. » (Al-Bidayya wa-l-Nihaya, Vol. 8, p. 346.)
2318:), who also edited a bit here. Your proposed lead there is a bit wordy, and really should reflect what is in the article - so to that end, perhaps there should be more about the Uthman thing in the article. I guess I don't really understand what the "seige of Uthman" is or why it's being mentioned, but I guess that could be clarified in the article? And maybe the article should actually discuss this supposed insubordination a bit more? I don't know. In looking at how you wrote it out here, I'd say it's putting too much
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Also, if an editor feels something isn't ready for the article yet, it can be removed from there and copied to the talkpage for review and improvement. In this particular case, we can also tag the entire section as being unreferenced which would show a reader that it is "weak", but we are working on it. I also agree that her lineage doesn't urgently need a reference, it's not as sensitive as other issues, but if we can find an RS for it, that only helps the article overall. Thanks,
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Also, if an editor feels something isn't ready for the article yet, it can be removed from there and copied to the talkpage for review and improvement. In this particular case, we can also tag the entire section as being unreferenced which would show a reader that it is "weak", but we are working on it. I also agree that her lineage doesn't urgently need a reference, it's not as sensitive as other issues, but if we can find an RS for it, that only helps the article overall. Thanks,
4872:. Since it wasn't referenced in the article I added a CN tag, but the material doesn't seem controversial and was relatively well written so I didn't see a need to delete. On the other hand, if another editor deleted it as unsourced I would also support that action until a reference was provided; I have no "investment" in it either way. I hope this explanation helps. Since I didn't work on the other 2 sections you mention I can't really answer your questions about those, sorry.
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example of contradiction, Bukharis says that Aisha was at the Battle of Badr and Battle of Uhud, no one under the age of 15 was allowed to participate this conflicts with the narrative on the age of marriage. Now which is wrong? I hope that puts the danger of elevating a collection third hand stories to historical fact. In summary most traditional sources put Aisha's age around 8 years old in 610CE which would have made her around 19-20 years old at the time of marriage.
3209:. About Burden of evidence, it is about materials which lack reliable sources. A fast look to the history of this article proved my material had lack of reliable source or the material which these two users. About Consensus, as it says, it's to ensure neutrality and verifiability. Consensus can not change realities. Again one can see whose material is neutral and verifiable. (It's notable that User Doc kept silent when I asked and explained him about this matter
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compilation of Quran. According to Aisha's report, she had two verses with her, one was about
Stoning, and one was about nursing of a grown man by a woman. She has reported these two verses were under her bed, and once a goat entered her house and ate these two verses, and so the current Quran doesn't have them. 2.The last compilation of Quran was in time of Uthman. Chapter 33 of Quran has 73 verses. Aisha has reported this chapter originally had 200 verses.
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compilation of Quran. According to Aisha's report, she had two verses with her, one was about
Stoning, and one was about nursing of a grown man by a woman. She has reported these two verses were under her bed, and once a goat entered her house and ate these two verses, and so the current Quran doesn't have them. 2.The last compilation of Quran was in time of Uthman. Chapter 33 of Quran has 73 verses. Aisha has reported this chapter originally had 200 verses.
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have 5 page of introduction/preface content should be atleast 50+ page (this is very moderate arithmatic imo). The crux is we all have first to expand the content & then lede and all these things imo should be by consensus. Now whetehr matter is added first and then consensus is reached or vice-versa can be decided. I want to add that if you are on Moon you should get used to lesser gravity or you will take a step and find your self jumping.--
12055:(there are already 2 other "Battle of Basra" articles with more recent dates). The event is important historically and there is more detail than we could present in this article alone. Perhaps we could write a new article for the battle, based on the references they have provided, then this article could contain a brief summary of Aisha's role in the battle, along with a link to the new article. Any thoughts or suggestions from other editors?
8147:(there are already 2 other "Battle of Basra" articles with more recent dates). The event is important historically and there is more detail than we could present in this article alone. Perhaps we could write a new article for the battle, based on the references they have provided, then this article could contain a brief summary of Aisha's role in the battle, along with a link to the new article. Any thoughts or suggestions from other editors?
1443:, ethics of Islam & rule of law she tried to held Caliphate & whole Ummah at ransom. She planned a coup against so called third rightly guided caliph and tried to depose the next. So, the sentence in the lede rightfully contradicts, to show contradictory nature of her personality in those days when she instigated the first fitna of Islam. No one can wipe out her involvement in first fitna and opening battle against Imam Ali
915:"During the siege of Uthman, she was asked to stay in Medina, but she left the city without paying attention. In her absence, Uthman was assassinated and people chose Ali as Caliphate. Having an implacable hatred against Ali and his family" what is the relevance of this quote from a historical perspective, a woman was asked to stay inside her house but she decided to leave, so what... was she meant to defend uthman herself?
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lifetime, which I strongly disagree. Further more, while no one in the
Islamic history had argument with Muhammad as much as Aisha (which gradually I will add to this articles), Sunni users claim Aisha was beloved wife of Muhammad. The question here is that which was the action(s) she did and what made her to be the greatest woman has ever been created? Most reports about the virtues of Aisha in history is summarized as
2260:"Aisha had an important role in the early Islamic history, especially after Muhammad's death, in the time of third and fourth caliphate. According to Sir William Muir, Aisha and Hasfa were two insubordinate figures among Muhammad's wives, they were jealous with other wives and conspired aginst them(event of honey). She also had personal hatred towards Ali and his family. She was a strict opponent of the third Caliph,
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is edited (mailnly if any content is added) & if edit is found valid we will keep it on article updating the draft accordingly (so that we don't miss anything at the end of excercise). All users specially (Ibn kathir, Doc Tropics, CĂșchullain, Aliwiki and Humaliwalay) may add as per will. We have lot of matter & references scattered over all this talk page and related articles which can be incorporated per se
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is edited (mailnly if any content is added) & if edit is found valid we will keep it on article updating the draft accordingly (so that we don't miss anything at the end of excercise). All users specially (Ibn kathir, Doc Tropics, CĂșchullain, Aliwiki and Humaliwalay) may add as per will. We have lot of matter & references scattered over all this talk page and related articles which can be incorporated per se
10428:'s cleanup event, sorry for that. As of now I am done with the tagging business. Now I am goig to weed out lede from sentences (or jist) which don't exist in main body or is severely lacking any resource (this is as per previous discussion for lede in which we concluded that lede will only be having matter present in body which also is properly sourced and non-controversial). Please correct me for may faults. --
6520:'s cleanup event, sorry for that. As of now I am done with the tagging business. Now I am goig to weed out lede from sentences (or jist) which don't exist in main body or is severely lacking any resource (this is as per previous discussion for lede in which we concluded that lede will only be having matter present in body which also is properly sourced and non-controversial). Please correct me for may faults. --
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912:"Aisha believed Uthman had become an apostate due to neglecting the Islamic traditions during his caliphate, and she encouraged people to kill him." the source being "Umar Farookh, The History of the Arabic Thought Till the Days of Ibn Khaldoon, p. 190" this source is dubious and not credible, the majority of Muslims do not believe this and this would be considered a fringe source or opinion at best.
11218:, remember we already have a Shi'a view article for Aisha so that section needs not much expansion (we may have Sunni view article also if some editor feels it wanted). Please be rationale & calm while working even on draft (I once more request, no edit war plz content will be revised and edited before being moved to main Article to meet everybody's genuine aspirations). Thnks and happy editing,
7310:, remember we already have a Shi'a view article for Aisha so that section needs not much expansion (we may have Sunni view article also if some editor feels it wanted). Please be rationale & calm while working even on draft (I once more request, no edit war plz content will be revised and edited before being moved to main Article to meet everybody's genuine aspirations). Thnks and happy editing,
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2364:". They did not always provide a chain of authorities, each of whom had to be verified as trustworthy and as certain or likely to have transmitted his report directly from his informant, and so on. The attitude towards biographical details and towards the early events of Islam was far less meticulous than their attitude to the Prophet's traditions, or indeed to any material relevant to
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just repeating the word consensus, but non of you explains a small problem in any of my sentences? And who gave you consensus over the current article? What was the problem with the case of Aisha reports about Quran, which was explained in article body? Instead of showing bravery for blocking, be brave to explain the problems you see in my sentences, which non of you have ever done.
1959:"She was a strict opponent of the third Caliph, Uthman ibn Affan. Aisha believed Uthman had become an apostate due to neglecting the Islamic traditions during his caliphate, and she encouraged people to kill him."....fringe obscure source and completely contradicts the last quote of her seeking vengeance, the word vengeance in the quote is her intention not evidence of duplicity.
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will be to remove such matter from the article, which will probably lead to downgrade for this article from B-class to Start-class if not Stub-class. That is the reason I asked for the RS from you because it seems you'll negate all other sources (although it is per se courtesy and non-binding). But it seems that you are unwilling to help the cause and provide us with your
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12880::As in the case of Zeinab, Mohammed produced a message from Heaven which disallowed his promise of separation from Mary, chided Hafsa and Ayesha for their insubordination, and hinted at the possibility of all his wives being divorced for demeanor so disloyal towards himself. He then withdrew from their society, and for a whole month lived alone with Mary.
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of present content. And if you see the analysis, I have done it in most neutral way possible. As per you all Western sources are unreliable, all Shia sources are unreliable, etc. So can you give us your list of sources (its third time I'm asking you for it) and lets see whether we can use it. Please try to cooperate and avoid being cog in the wheel. --
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of present content. And if you see the analysis, I have done it in most neutral way possible. As per you all Western sources are unreliable, all Shia sources are unreliable, etc. So can you give us your list of sources (its third time I'm asking you for it) and lets see whether we can use it. Please try to cooperate and avoid being cog in the wheel. --
2264:. In time of last days of Uthman's reign Aisha believed Uthman had become an apostate due to neglecting the Islamic traditions during his caliphate, and she encouraged people to kill him. During the siege of Uthman, she was asked to stay in Medina, but she left the city without paying attention. In her absence, Uthman was assassinated and people chose
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thiers would be more relevant since any one of the other two faiths, christianity and judaism existed well beffore islam itself and are clearly the subject of at least half the Quran. You have to cut the line somewhere and i would argue it is more important to add relevant facts about the individual in question rather than add more random views.
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6466:, this section is also quite important part related to her. Only one sentence is referenced that too like most of the references on article is apparently secondary source but it is not verifiable. To be noted this section contributes to lede also (She is quoted...Muslim), which imo due to unreferenced state of the section is not appropriate.--
3194:, one will easily can understand the intro was long or short. Excluding this, one may ask why these two users didn't summarize sourced sentences and why they used the non-sourced one? Further more, if we assume the intro was long, these two users edits shows even they were not truthful in what they did, because both users removed the sentence
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2084:& his sons helped Uthman during his seige but event afterwards suggest that they were not too keen to take action against rebels (against Uthman who eventually murdered him). If this important point is missing from the article than it should be included in the article rather than removing it from the lede. It could be reworded to:
1356:"A fringe source is something truly out there" so a fringe source can be popular a majority opinion and out their all at the same time....im a bit confused my understanding based on past comments of other admins is that it is not a majority opinion, a minority view and isn't simply something that just belongs to the x files.
2437:. I am well studied about Aisha, that I can give you a proposal, for this article, we will completely neglect Shia view, and we'll just use Sunni and orientalists references and if one cite a Shia reference, I will be the first one who will remove it. Finally, I will remove any claim without source in the present article. --
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with her for another 4 years. It is a fact the prophet died in Aisha's house and he is buried their today and any one visiting him will have to visit Aisha's house to see him, such a damning statement would have insured that he would be buried else where if the prophet held such hatred and contempt for his own wife.
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with her for another 4 years. It is a fact the prophet died in Aisha's house and he is buried their today and any one visiting him will have to visit Aisha's house to see him, such a damning statement would have insured that he would be buried else where if the prophet held such hatred and contempt for his own wife.
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Satan's head comes out (i.e. from the East). Narrated by Abdullah Hadith number 2894 Book of Sahih al Bukhari Also Narrated The Prophet, (Peace be upon him), emerged from Ayesha's room saying this is the spearhead of disbelief! It is from here that Satan's horn emerges"! (Refer: Masnad Ahmed, Vol II, Page 23).
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Satan's head comes out (i.e. from the East). Narrated by Abdullah Hadith number 2894 Book of Sahih al Bukhari Also Narrated The Prophet, (Peace be upon him), emerged from Ayesha's room saying this is the spearhead of disbelief! It is from here that Satan's horn emerges"! (Refer: Masnad Ahmed, Vol II, Page 23).
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I never added that and just proposed in the discussion whether it can be added if consensus is built. Secondly no group, rather a book called Sahih al Bukhari has labeled Aishah as a wretched woman. Well Its not worth arguing with you instead I shall appreciate opinion of other editors whoch will be
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User Humaliwalay said: Prophet Mohammad himself described Aishah as "The spearhead of disbelief and the horn of Satanâ - The Prophet stood up and delivered a sermon, and pointing to 'Aisha's house (i.e. eastwards), he said thrice, "Affliction (will appear from) here," and, "from where the side of the
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Yes, I do agree now there is automatically a consensus building up that if we cannot quote Western references because they may be biased towards Shia and against Sunnis, OK then we cannot cite Shia sources, then when we proceed with Sunni references that too from those books whom they consider as the
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Thanks for the comments, Faizhaider, and for the invitation to take part in the discussion. I can verify the Spellberg book, and will be removing those "verify source" tags. I also read the Turner and Watt books on the subject when I added the cites; I don't have them on me, but unless there's reason
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Prophet Mohammad himself described Aishah as "The spearhead of disbelief and the horn of Satanâ - The Prophet stood up and delivered a sermon, and pointing to 'Aisha's house (i.e. eastwards), he said thrice, "Affliction (will appear from) here," and, "from where the side of the Satan's head comes out
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Just like how we have a separate criticism section in many articles we should have one here, because we have many negative things about Aisha which are indispensable to be mentioned because since this entire article is about we should have a neutral POV and list everything which is related to her and
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RS list. In that case we will be forced to use the resources which are at our disposal. I'm trying to engage you in positive cause but from your comments it seems you are unwilling to do so and are happy being critical to every move (except your's). I once more request you to contribute something to
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I never added that and just proposed in the discussion whether it can be added if consensus is built. Secondly no group, rather a book called Sahih al Bukhari has labeled Aishah as a wretched woman. Well Its not worth arguing with you instead I shall appreciate opinion of other editors whoch will be
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User Humaliwalay said: Prophet Mohammad himself described Aishah as "The spearhead of disbelief and the horn of Satanâ - The Prophet stood up and delivered a sermon, and pointing to 'Aisha's house (i.e. eastwards), he said thrice, "Affliction (will appear from) here," and, "from where the side of the
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Yes, I do agree now there is automatically a consensus building up that if we cannot quote Western references because they may be biased towards Shia and against Sunnis, OK then we cannot cite Shia sources, then when we proceed with Sunni references that too from those books whom they consider as the
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Thanks for the comments, Faizhaider, and for the invitation to take part in the discussion. I can verify the Spellberg book, and will be removing those "verify source" tags. I also read the Turner and Watt books on the subject when I added the cites; I don't have them on me, but unless there's reason
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Prophet Mohammad himself described Aishah as "The spearhead of disbelief and the horn of Satanâ - The Prophet stood up and delivered a sermon, and pointing to 'Aisha's house (i.e. eastwards), he said thrice, "Affliction (will appear from) here," and, "from where the side of the Satan's head comes out
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Just like how we have a separate criticism section in many articles we should have one here, because we have many negative things about Aisha which are indispensable to be mentioned because since this entire article is about we should have a neutral POV and list everything which is related to her and
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RS list. In that case we will be forced to use the resources which are at our disposal. I'm trying to engage you in positive cause but from your comments it seems you are unwilling to do so and are happy being critical to every move (except your's). I once more request you to contribute something to
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How the matter that I added have two much weight when it has included comment of the person in question as just another reference and opted his name out of text? Regarding the higher age claim first the content was removed saying questioning notability of Muhammad Ali. I proved notability of Muhammad
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how is he notable ive never heard of him. Just so you know who the ahmadia are and don't confuse their names simply because they sound muslim...their so called prophet claimed to be no less than jesus christ. in either case his views would be even more fringe than that of the shia as the ahmadia dont
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Ok ill work on a new introduction keeping these things in mind as long as the remainder of the article is given the same treatment. but you should understand that this point of controversy is not something among shia or sunni's or any Muslims but a modern issue that wasn't even relevant until the end
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User HelloAnnyong can you please be kind enough to tell me how you interpreted my saying as threatening? and why you didn't have same interpretation about what user ibn Kathir said? using words like garbage, stupid or idiot is considered as civilized manner, while the one who tries to improve article
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and you'll see that primary sources really shouldn't be used; secondary sources are much more preferable. In this case, I think the Quran and its associated writings would be considered primary, and things written by other people are secondary. Since there's clearly an issue here in the viewpoints of
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The obvious point is none of this establishes that this is the majority view among Muslim scholars as a whole who represent some 1.2 billion Muslims and the reality is this isn't their view no matter how hard you try to ground your claims. you have simply come up with a random list of primary sources
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As to "left the city without paying attention" and "Ali overcame the rebels" - well, I think that should stay in. It's not a question of relevance to the introduction, but whether or not it's reflected in the article itself. The article does make mention of her leaving the city and being treated with
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There are also the contradictory quotes one in which Aisha is claimed to have accused Uthman ibn Affan of being a non muslim or someone she considered destined to hell for all eternity and in the next sentence she not only forms but leads an army to avenge his death, a person she is supposed to have
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No, we're not going to write off all Shia as fringe sources. A fringe source is something truly out there, and one-tenth of the world's Muslim population does not get to be ignored under that. We're not going to turn this page into a battleground or anything like that, and to that end, sources should
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I don't understand how an obvious 'shia' source can be used to write this article. Shi'a sources are a minority when looking at volume, and there is a conflict of interests considering the shi'a have a blatant hatred for Aisha. The changes should be reverted to what they were before, or re-written to
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Abu Bakr Al-siddique returned to Makkah aborting his migration to Habasha when Ibn ad-Dughunnah, a non-Muslim Bedouin chief offered him his protection to stay in Makkah and became his Wali. But when Abu Bakrâs crying while reading Quran outside his home became a dawa attraction, he told Abu Bakr that
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There is no disinformation. Bukhari is just hearsay and as well know it is very easy to attribute saying who are not around to answer back. Many of the hadiths in Bukhari are contradictory and there are many moslems who do not follow hadith as the hadiths are distorted to suit circumstances. As an
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like an author's religion denomination or nationality. We do not exclude sources simply because they are "Shia" or "western", instead we examine the credibility of the author and their work, and we consider their reputation among other scholars to determine their reliability. Then, when we write our
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like an author's religion denomination or nationality. We do not exclude sources simply because they are "Shia" or "western", instead we examine the credibility of the author and their work, and we consider their reputation among other scholars to determine their reliability. Then, when we write our
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My question for the list is just to avoid any dead-lock. I know what ever source is provided by Mr K will have reference to all the matter everybody is discussing (and probabaly Mr K knows this and that the reson till now no list has been provided, after all one can't disagree from the source onself
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Hey, don't you understand simple English, I'm asking for sources from you which you think are correct but you keep on repeating same set of words and are entirely avoiding giving list of source you agree upon. BTW, I myslef have proposed nothing new to be added recently I just requested for analysis
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Thanks for your willingness to participate. In articles like this, finding a way to balance opposing views is difficult, requiring extra care and patience. You are correct that identifying and distinguishing between majority views and minority views is an important part. I don't have time to offer a
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of the article. I invite all intrested parties to add & improve (& not remove) content on this page we will review the draft version at end of the two-three week time from now and then will finalise it as per WP policies/guidelines/conventions and general consensus. Meanwhile if main article
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for addition of new matter. Also, I agree with Ali that this matter is specifically nothing to do with Shia view as these reports are found in Sunni sources also, may be there is differenc eof emphasis butimo that does not quntifies this matter to have new section. As this matter is related with her
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the right way to proceed and your participation is most welcome! I agree that we will be more successful by limiting discussions to one topic at a time; this allows us to concentrate on a single question and avoid confusion. In that context, I think that Faizhaider is probably right. I don't want to
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I'm happy to see positive dialogue and will certainly do what I can to help move things forward. The one thing I would ask is that you remember we are all volunteers here. We have jobs, families, and in some cases, hobbies besides Knowledge. Also, we live all over the world and are contributing from
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we should be sure that there is already no material in place which breaches the standard we setting for addition of new article. at present including me there are five editors involved in the discussion in preceding & succeeding discussions. I propose that we examine each section finalize it and
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like an author's religion denomination or nationality. We do not exclude sources simply because they are "Shia" or "western", instead we examine the credibility of the author and their work, and we consider their reputation among other scholars to determine their reliability. Then, when we write our
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like an author's religion denomination or nationality. We do not exclude sources simply because they are "Shia" or "western", instead we examine the credibility of the author and their work, and we consider their reputation among other scholars to determine their reliability. Then, when we write our
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My question for the list is just to avoid any dead-lock. I know what ever source is provided by Mr K will have reference to all the matter everybody is discussing (and probabaly Mr K knows this and that the reson till now no list has been provided, after all one can't disagree from the source onself
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Hey, don't you understand simple English, I'm asking for sources from you which you think are correct but you keep on repeating same set of words and are entirely avoiding giving list of source you agree upon. BTW, I myslef have proposed nothing new to be added recently I just requested for analysis
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Thanks for your willingness to participate. In articles like this, finding a way to balance opposing views is difficult, requiring extra care and patience. You are correct that identifying and distinguishing between majority views and minority views is an important part. I don't have time to offer a
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of the article. I invite all intrested parties to add & improve (& not remove) content on this page we will review the draft version at end of the two-three week time from now and then will finalise it as per WP policies/guidelines/conventions and general consensus. Meanwhile if main article
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for addition of new matter. Also, I agree with Ali that this matter is specifically nothing to do with Shia view as these reports are found in Sunni sources also, may be there is differenc eof emphasis butimo that does not quntifies this matter to have new section. As this matter is related with her
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the right way to proceed and your participation is most welcome! I agree that we will be more successful by limiting discussions to one topic at a time; this allows us to concentrate on a single question and avoid confusion. In that context, I think that Faizhaider is probably right. I don't want to
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I'm happy to see positive dialogue and will certainly do what I can to help move things forward. The one thing I would ask is that you remember we are all volunteers here. We have jobs, families, and in some cases, hobbies besides Knowledge. Also, we live all over the world and are contributing from
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we should be sure that there is already no material in place which breaches the standard we setting for addition of new article. at present including me there are five editors involved in the discussion in preceding & succeeding discussions. I propose that we examine each section finalize it and
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Muhammad to be the last of the prophets, and that after him no prophet can appear, neither a past one like Jesus, nor a new one and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is referred to as a Prophet in the metaphorical sense only (as other Muslims saints have been referred to as well), and not in the real and technical
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Ahmadiyah are not muslim they claim to have a prophet separate from the prophet muhammad, they simply believe their religion is a continuation of the Islamic faith just like the bahai of iran do while maintaining Islam is a religion from God. While it is clearly a doctrinal issue that to be a Muslim
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I dont know what you are talking about regarding the ahmadiya, but thier religion is no more than 200 years old, they are neither shia, sunni or Muslim they have their own prophet mirza ghulam and if you where to include thier view you may as well include that of every religion on the same page and
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section, they will find an excuse and delete it. I was used to excuses of user DOc, but after the edit of user HelloAnnyong, I understood what's going on. They do not even respect what they say, they just want to reach their desire. They brought the excuse of lead, but they deleted sourced info from
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Ali! That thing has to be re written I don't think restoring old text will work. We can use available RS (on the article, from history of article 7 new ones) and expand sections/sub-sections first then work on lede. We can't have a book with 5 pages of preface & 4 (may be 8) pages of content; to
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User HelloAnnyong, I didn't expect you such behavior. Did you read what you reverted? or no, just you followed user Doc. Less than several sentences were restored while huge amount of new sentences were added. Please list here any problem you see in my sentences. why both of you have problem with my
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IMO, as of now we should move deleted sentences from lede to main body at apprppriate place. First we should focus on main body and get it detailed. Once its done we can lookup to the lede and expand it on basis of main body. Meanwhile lede should be trimmed to what the article main body contains at
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Doc Tropics, History is based ob beliefs or what has happened? Please provide enough explanation for your mass deletion. Why we must write history based on beliefs, not what has occurred, and what's your reason for mass deletion of sourced sentences without discussion? Waiting for your answers. Here
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jealousy is born out of intense love and no one is disputing her jealousy or love for him so i don't see your issue. i don't understand why it needs rephrasing her regret is mentioned in the article itself and isn't something i have came up with. how do you steal something you have clearly sourced,
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User Ibn Kathir, I want to add more details about Aisha in the article body, mainly in two sections, during Muhammad's lifetime, and after Muhammad. For now, I want to start with the first one, and I decided to inform you about this to collaborate together. Let me know your opinions. Also others are
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to explain about the garbages he wrote. I discussed you before; Here is an encyclopedia, not belief websites. Aisha, like many others, is an historical figure, and no group, including Shia, Sunni, Muslims or anyone else should not confine her for himself. You shouldn't include your beliefs here, and
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first thing i will say to that is refer back to my primary sources comment and the difference between sunni's and shia which you have clearly ignored, thanks for proving my point. I will ask you to stop quoting sunni primary sources because a shia educated individual will never understand them. case
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This is the difference between shia and sunni scholarship or more than likely you are not even aware of the analytical tools your own scholars employ in formulating their legal rulings as i know many shia scholars are above your own personnel methods of reasoning, its just the sciences we employ and
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and their is the relevance of this quote "During the siege of Uthman, she was asked to stay in Medina, but she left the city without paying attention" well insubordination has been disproved as an issue should we now have to contend with discussing the relevance of a women being commanded to stay at
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it is generally agreed by a majority of modern historians that islam gave women rights far more advanced and liberal than any society up to that point in time. As you can see Insubordination is not an Islamic issue and as you may well know something that doesn't belong in the 21st century, if it was
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2-According to many narratives, Ayesha participated in the battles of Badr and Uhud. No one older than 15 was allowed to accompany the Prophetâs army in the battle of Uhud. This applied across the board to all participants, men and women alike. The battle of Uhud took place around the 2nd Hijrah,
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The age of Hadrat Ayisha(r), wife of the prophet, is disputed on the basis of a calligraphic error in history books. There are several Hadith reports that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married his third wife Ayesha when she was 6 year old and consummated her marriage when she was 9. If this is true, then
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The original article is flawed and is actually a distortion. The traditional view in the Islamic circles is not that Aisha was six or 9 but aged between between 14-21. The original article does not mention the numerous other sources widely available on the internet which contradict the few sources
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Aisha was 18 when the prophet died, she would have been maybe 14 at the time of the incident so essentially he would have been claiming a 14 year old girl was the spearhead of satan, while she was his wife, while he was still married to her, while he was still having relations with her and he lived
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no what you are advocating is turning this into a shia propaganda piece since most published works in the west are either shia sourced or heavily rely on on your perspective since anything positive would obviously be sourced from Sunni primary sources and the west at this point in time is not Islam
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the article is mostly fine, it needs improvement in language and structure we wont be re-writting it wholesale to represent your views if that is what your are implying the work of previous editors still stands. and i get it books in my cupboard are of no use or importance regardless of the author.
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Mr. IK! read the discussion, we are not talking about adding it to lede (at least not now) and this has nothing to do with Shia & Sunni or Ahmadia view its a report narrated by ner & recorded by many. We are talking about adding it to another section (may be its subsection). And do you know
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Thanks comrades (sorry, if I offended anybody by choice of that word ;) for one more positive step and being constructive party to it. Enjoy editing, slowly I'm going in wiki-hibernation state, hopefully everything will be moreover as it is (if no positive development) while few of us are active in
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Three days and I'm back on the article ;) After tagging (& lede cleanup), now it is time to remove unsourced/illsourced matter and have final cleanup. I want to clean the article now before most of us go in December hibernation so that we have good base article to start with. After clean up I
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Aisha was 18 when the prophet died, she would have been maybe 14 at the time of the incident so essentially he would have been claiming a 14 year old girl was the spearhead of satan, while she was his wife, while he was still married to her, while he was still having relations with her and he lived
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no what you are advocating is turning this into a shia propaganda piece since most published works in the west are either shia sourced or heavily rely on on your perspective since anything positive would obviously be sourced from Sunni primary sources and the west at this point in time is not Islam
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the article is mostly fine, it needs improvement in language and structure we wont be re-writting it wholesale to represent your views if that is what your are implying the work of previous editors still stands. and i get it books in my cupboard are of no use or importance regardless of the author.
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Mr. IK! read the discussion, we are not talking about adding it to lede (at least not now) and this has nothing to do with Shia & Sunni or Ahmadia view its a report narrated by ner & recorded by many. We are talking about adding it to another section (may be its subsection). And do you know
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Thanks comrades (sorry, if I offended anybody by choice of that word ;) for one more positive step and being constructive party to it. Enjoy editing, slowly I'm going in wiki-hibernation state, hopefully everything will be moreover as it is (if no positive development) while few of us are active in
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Three days and I'm back on the article ;) After tagging (& lede cleanup), now it is time to remove unsourced/illsourced matter and have final cleanup. I want to clean the article now before most of us go in December hibernation so that we have good base article to start with. After clean up I
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What we want are real sources, rather than inappropriate new content that just degrades the quality of the article. We don't need more primary sources or personal web pages, we need reliable, secondary sources from actual experts. This will be in the form of books, scholarly papers, and perhaps web
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As I said above, I think Ali is prominent enough that he probably should be mentioned, but your edit greatly overemphasized a minority view. If he is to be included, it would be better to find a reliable secondary source indicating that the view is notable. We can't be claiming that there are "many
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Can one of you define Consensus? What was (were) the problem(s) of the deleted sentences? Till now, it is just deletion of what you do not like. User HelloAnnyong, you did not answer why did you remov texts from the article body, which was part of your friends previous consensus. Why all of you are
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Aliwiki, it's flattering that you think (thought?) highly of me, but the fact is that Knowledge works based on consensus. And if you've got four editors agreeing on one thing, and then another editor comes through and readds text without either respecting the consensus or discussing the edits, it's
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Thanks Mohammad, but if you have a fast look to my last edit, you'll realize what's going on. A simple example, USA and its allied countries attacked Iraq with the excuse of existence chemical bombs (that they themselves gave Iraq), which were never found there, but their desired were fulfilled. Be
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I must apologize you, as I noticed your comment after reverting the intro. Sorry. You are right that it's short. but it does only informing about one aspect of Aisha life, which was being a hadith narrator, while her important role in history can not be neglected. Do you disadgree? I shortened the
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and no-one else can interpret them correctly even scholrs of other sects of Islam forget about non-muslims & western scholars. With editors of such stand it'll be hard to get any consensus. If Doc wants to right new lede let him post it here and we will have comments and we may get to something
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We don't ignore our own books we ignore your interpretation of them, we have developed sciences for analytical deduction, textual analysis, language, histerocity and a host of other fields of study which we employ to ensure accuracy, which differs from the shia perspective so when you look at these
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narration of your own books. And it is there already in lede even though not exactly as you want. The real problem is that although you want to push your view (& most of the points you have mentioned are there) you also want counter view to be removed. You want article to be written as per your
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4-. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani has reported that Fatimah, Muhammadâs daughter, was five years older than Ayesha and that Fatimah was born when the Prophet was 35 years old. Thus, Ayesha, according to Ibn Hajar, was born when Muhammad was 40 and consummated her marriage when he was 54 or 55. That makes
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I would say that there is no links to ahielbayt.com. Its probably better that there are two articles rather than having one over large article. At the same time there is noting to stop you from expanding the Sunni view or creating a "Sunni view of Aisha". Also it is usually easier to find criticism
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A lot misinformation from some muslims here, on this page. I read: "Pretending Aisha was 9 years old when she got married is little gossip" Is SahĂŻ Bukhari a gossiper or a reliable islamic source? Please exercice your neutrality by admitting she was married at 6 and had sexual relationship with the
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It is hypocritical for shia to use a sunni source which they themselves believe to be unreliable and shia do not accept sahih bukhari to be a reliable source of narrations so clearly their are ulterior motives than writing the most accurate account of her life, each one of you should declare sahih
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Ibn Umar said: âThe Prophet (s.w.s.) mentioned: "O Allah, give us baraka in our Syria, O Allah, give us baraka in our Yemen." They said: "And in our Najd?" and he said: "O Allah, give us baraka in our Syria, O Allah, give us baraka in our Yemen." They said: "And in our Najd?" and I believe that he
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Aisha was so jealous of Prophet's other wives that she decided to hurt the Prophet once she came to know that he ate honey with his another wife Zainab bint Jahsh, that he smelled foul - Al-Bukhari reported Ayesha saying: "Allah's Prophet was eating honey at Zeinab Bint Jahsh place. So Hafsa and I
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Mr K, it seems you are not getting the point. The article is already under severe scrutiny and after analysis (refer preceding discussions) it has been found that article is mostly based on non-verifiable resources (and that is not fine) which has led to already sections being tagged and next step
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To Doc, as long as this doesn't turn into a shia propaganda article by extension, then we can discuss the article section by section. i wont agree to any sunni sources that are quoted or sourced from shia or shia sources their is a well documented history of shia misquoting sunni sources and even
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Two of the most important reports of Aisha about Quran is as follow: 1. Aisha lost two verses of Quran. During Muhammad's lifetime, after any revelation, some Muslims were writing or memorizing the revealed verses. After Muhammad's death, Muslims were submitting anything they had with them for the
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She was murdered (better to say terrored) by Muawiyah when he announced hereditary Caliphate an chose his son Yazid as his successor which was followed by protest of Aisha, and as Muawiyah was afraid of her influence, he digded a pit and covered it on the way Aisha was passing. Aisha felt into the
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You are entirely correct, this section contains no references which is a problem that needs to be fixed. (Want to take a moment and savor our common ground? heh heh) In general, only controversial material is subject to immediate deletion; in uncontroversial cases a "CN" tag is more commonly used.
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It is hypocritical for shia to use a sunni source which they themselves believe to be unreliable and shia do not accept sahih bukhari to be a reliable source of narrations so clearly their are ulterior motives than writing the most accurate account of her life, each one of you should declare sahih
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Ibn Umar said: âThe Prophet (s.w.s.) mentioned: "O Allah, give us baraka in our Syria, O Allah, give us baraka in our Yemen." They said: "And in our Najd?" and he said: "O Allah, give us baraka in our Syria, O Allah, give us baraka in our Yemen." They said: "And in our Najd?" and I believe that he
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Aisha was so jealous of Prophet's other wives that she decided to hurt the Prophet once she came to know that he ate honey with his another wife Zainab bint Jahsh, that he smelled foul - Al-Bukhari reported Ayesha saying: "Allah's Prophet was eating honey at Zeinab Bint Jahsh place. So Hafsa and I
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Mr K, it seems you are not getting the point. The article is already under severe scrutiny and after analysis (refer preceding discussions) it has been found that article is mostly based on non-verifiable resources (and that is not fine) which has led to already sections being tagged and next step
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To Doc, as long as this doesn't turn into a shia propaganda article by extension, then we can discuss the article section by section. i wont agree to any sunni sources that are quoted or sourced from shia or shia sources their is a well documented history of shia misquoting sunni sources and even
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Two of the most important reports of Aisha about Quran is as follow: 1. Aisha lost two verses of Quran. During Muhammad's lifetime, after any revelation, some Muslims were writing or memorizing the revealed verses. After Muhammad's death, Muslims were submitting anything they had with them for the
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She was murdered (better to say terrored) by Muawiyah when he announced hereditary Caliphate an chose his son Yazid as his successor which was followed by protest of Aisha, and as Muawiyah was afraid of her influence, he digded a pit and covered it on the way Aisha was passing. Aisha felt into the
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You are entirely correct, this section contains no references which is a problem that needs to be fixed. (Want to take a moment and savor our common ground? heh heh) In general, only controversial material is subject to immediate deletion; in uncontroversial cases a "CN" tag is more commonly used.
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Note: reviewing the article history again, my assertion that you added 12 paragraphs of content was mistaken; my apologies for the error. I was viewing the changes in HTML rather than in the article and missed the fact that many of those paragraphs were tagged as references. However, as Cuchullain
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User Doc Tropics, You repeatedly did same action (mass deleting sourced info), and each time you brought an unacceptable reason, and non of them were related to previous one, once restoring sourced infor deletion, once POV, once summerizing. I am asking yourself, what should I interpret about this
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She married the prophet at a young age consequently the entirety of her marriage was during her teenage years, she was intensely in love with the prophet and because of her youth often became jealous over him among his other wives, as is seen from the story of the honey. In her later years she was
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You point that two statement in the lede contradict "accused Uthman...." & "leads an army..."; that is true beacuse it is what she did. Like most of the modern politicians she tried to topple the govt of time (Usman's) but once it got toppled and desired party (Talha or Zubair) was not able to
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if i could quote the third source muhammad haykel to prove my point of these sources not being in touch with the realities of islam and the 21st century "Muhammad had granted to his wives a position hitherto unknown in Arabia. 'Umar ibn al-Khattab said, "By God, in pre-Islamic days, we never gave
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Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them; Thus, the Qurâan gives a clear definition of adulthood or marriageable age as the one when one has attained a good measure of mental maturity. This should raise the
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the edits about Aisha's death due to their largely inappropriate tone. Text like "The account of how she died is available in the books and could be searched through internet." doesn't belong on Knowledge. Further, the text is copied from sources all over the place, but I don't think it's directly
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More idiotic shia misquotes of sunni sources, why dont you just quote from your own books and stop trying to put words in our mouths you seriously have an inferiority complex if you constantly seek our approval like this. Only an idiot would think our scholars havent been over every single hadith
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Aishah's accusations of Mohammad getting effected by hardest kind of magic above contradict the verse of Quraan that âSurely he{Satan} has no authority over those who believe and rely on their Lord; His authority is only over those who befriend him and those who associate others with Himâ (Quran,
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Aisha used to insult and mock Umm-Salama, as Umm-Salama's height was short. When Umm-Salama was walking her clothes was dragging on groung behind her as she was short and Aisha was saying Umm-Salama's walking is like a dog rolling its tongue. This let to the revealation of the verse 11 of chapter
11093:, cousin of Aisha who for long time had desire of marriage to Aisha, protested against the restriction in his relationship with Aisha that verse of Hijab made for him, so he said, By God, if Muhammad dies, I will marry Aisha. Then, the verse 33.6 was revealed and the Prophet's wives were entitled
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Some notes which are not related, but can give you some ideas:Aisha's reports are authentic for Sunni Muslims, but Shia Muslims don't recognize her reports (the word report here is general, and not confined to this case). Also you may like to know that one of the main accusation of Sunnis against
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More idiotic shia misquotes of sunni sources, why dont you just quote from your own books and stop trying to put words in our mouths you seriously have an inferiority complex if you constantly seek our approval like this. Only an idiot would think our scholars havent been over every single hadith
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Aishah's accusations of Mohammad getting effected by hardest kind of magic above contradict the verse of Quraan that âSurely he{Satan} has no authority over those who believe and rely on their Lord; His authority is only over those who befriend him and those who associate others with Himâ (Quran,
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Aisha used to insult and mock Umm-Salama, as Umm-Salama's height was short. When Umm-Salama was walking her clothes was dragging on groung behind her as she was short and Aisha was saying Umm-Salama's walking is like a dog rolling its tongue. This let to the revealation of the verse 11 of chapter
7185:, cousin of Aisha who for long time had desire of marriage to Aisha, protested against the restriction in his relationship with Aisha that verse of Hijab made for him, so he said, By God, if Muhammad dies, I will marry Aisha. Then, the verse 33.6 was revealed and the Prophet's wives were entitled
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Some notes which are not related, but can give you some ideas:Aisha's reports are authentic for Sunni Muslims, but Shia Muslims don't recognize her reports (the word report here is general, and not confined to this case). Also you may like to know that one of the main accusation of Sunnis against
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I think Muhammad Ali's view is probably notable enough that it can be included, though obviously we shouldn't imply that it is more credible than other interpretations (which the previous version did not). However, I'd like to see a source for it beyond his own book to establish that it really is
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although i don't agree with the higher estimate it isn't a modern view or has anything to do with apologetics, Muslims scholars have been discussing this issue for more than a thousand years and her age is mentioned in many conflicting reports. Muslims have tended to rely on the more reliable and
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I am apologizing for some days absence which was due to a sudden occasion in my real life. User HelloAnnyong, I am ensuring you to prevent any war on behalf of myself. I just want to change this article to a featured article by high density of sources and I will discuss any disagreement point in
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You're right that it's only about one aspect of her life. However, it's pretty clear that a bunch of editors here can't agree on a good way to describe the rest of her life, so outright omitting that stuff is, in my opinion, preferable to keeping it in but having an edit war over it. The intro is
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Here is my suggestion for a new introduction, the links and sources need to be fixed, all that is mentioned in it is from the article except for one or two points which i have sourced . As far as i can tell it is according to wiki policy of what the lead should be and that is the summation of the
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Thank you very much. Biography of a historical figure must include whole of his/her life. Sunni users tend to keep silent about Aisha's life during Uthman and Ali governing era (as she was an strong opponent of them), and talk generally without mentioning details, about her life during Muhammad's
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There is no war and threatening. Our responsibility here is to inform about historical facts without caring who like or hate it. Historical figures shouldn't be confined to a special group. If user Ibn Kathir or any one else has reference about his saying, he can just write it in article by using
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what if they where 10th of a 10th of the Muslim population can we right them of as fringe then, can you give me an exact figure when something is considered fringe....1% 2% or maybe 5% You reasoning is not sound and you have not understood my statement, i said entirely shia and not simply a shia
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due to neglecting the Islamic traditions during his caliphate, and she encouraged people to kill him." and a few sentences later she forms a rebel army to avenge his death "she formed a rebellion army including Talha and Zubair and went to the city of Basra to seek vengeance for Uthman's blood".
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there is no clear assertion of hers that she hated Ali or his family this is simply an opinion held against her and not anything she ever said herself and their are no sources at all with these explicit words from her everything is just interpretation of events and attempts at second guessing her
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1-Ayesha is reported to have been born about eight years before Hijrah (around 614 A.D.), one can find another narrative in Bukhari (kitabu'l-tafseer) whereby Ayesha is reported to have said that she was a âyoung girlâ at the time of revelation of the 54th chapter of the Qur'an which came 9 years
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Another event is sure, about her older sister AsmaĂą, who died after her son Abdellah, first muslim born in Medina. The latter died at age of 72, in the year 73 of the hidjra calender. His mother AsmaĂą was well 100 years old and was blind. She died a few months after her son. Illuster collector of
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Dammed again, first of all no where did I say that Bukhari is authentic I am just stressing on Consensus based upon Reliability of quotation from Bukhari, Secondly, I was not narrating Ibn Umar rather I narrated from Abdullah that Hadith. Third, stop asking me my belief as done above, I no where
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we can deffinetely have them byt its good if we have something online available which confirms offline resource to some degree atleast. Just to avoid any more lengthy discussion, we have already a discussion multifold the length of article and made little headway. I think cleanup drive should be
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Thanks Doc, for such a good explanation. Hopefully all users will understand it and abide by. My insistence for online resource is to avoid any controversy, you know during my time at WP I have learned that many times people just put a reference tag having something in it (relevant or irrelevant
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Dammed again, first of all no where did I say that Bukhari is authentic I am just stressing on Consensus based upon Reliability of quotation from Bukhari, Secondly, I was not narrating Ibn Umar rather I narrated from Abdullah that Hadith. Third, stop asking me my belief as done above, I no where
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we can deffinetely have them byt its good if we have something online available which confirms offline resource to some degree atleast. Just to avoid any more lengthy discussion, we have already a discussion multifold the length of article and made little headway. I think cleanup drive should be
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Thanks Doc, for such a good explanation. Hopefully all users will understand it and abide by. My insistence for online resource is to avoid any controversy, you know during my time at WP I have learned that many times people just put a reference tag having something in it (relevant or irrelevant
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Muslim.org is the website of the "The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement". This is not acceptable. The other sources you've provided are links to other personal web pages; this is also not acceptable. You provided no actual citation from Sayyid Ja'far Murtada al-Amili, just a quote you claim is from him.
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It seems mainstream elites after their success in if not entirely removing then minimising fringe Shi'i beliefs from the article are now concentrating on new fringe group i.e. Ahmadiya views. Recently there has been deletion of Ahmadiya view from the article claiming it to be fringe belief &
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significance to the 316 hadiths being in both of these books, but an explanation of that significance (hopefully as apolitical as possible) might be helpful for the reader. Since both of these "Sahih" sources are accepted as Sunni hadiths, this would seem to have little significance for Shiites,
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Other useful references : Sounan al Baihaqi (vol. 6 â p. 204), Siaru âAlaam AnnubalaĂą (vol. 2, p. 289 â vol. 3, p. 380), Tariq Madinat Dimashq (=History of the City of Damas) (vol. 69, p. 8 et p. 10), IstiĂąab (vol. 2, p. 616), Tahdhibo alAsmaĂą (vol. 2, p. 597), Subulu Assalam (vol. 1, p. 39) and
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by claiming the intro doesn't match and must be kept short. First of all they didn't define what they mean by long and short intro. The intro was just 14 lines, and for a person with weak English like me, it takes 30 seconds to read it. Pay attention the current one is 7 lines. Also by a simple
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To the strict opponent/apostate thing: It's true that there is an inherent contradiction in saying, "Aisha believed Uthman had become an apostate... and she encouraged people to kill him" and "she formed a rebellion army... to seek vengeance for Uthman's blood". The rest of the article seems to
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you don't need to be interpreter or mujtahid to read fact from the quotes, just read originals from Bukhari, Muslim, Kanz etc., where the hell is interpretation required? they are crystal clear that she was a jealous women (she is even jealous of dead lady forget about living ones), who plotted
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5- Ibn Hisham, the historian, reports that Ayesha (ra) accepted Islam quite some time before `Umar ibn al-Khattab which only means that Ayesha (ra) accepted Islam close to the time of first revelation (around 610 A.D). Assuming she was barely 6 or 7 at that time this information puts the age of
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Several books of Hadith (Al-Bukhari and Al-Muslim, Abu Dawood, among others) and Islamic history (Tabari, among others) report that Ayesha was married to the Prophet at 6 but her marriage was not consummated until she was 9. it must be noted that most of this information has come from a single
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I don't agree with mentioning shia or sunni differences in the lead, i think it is against what the lead is about very disruptive to its structure especially if the figure in question had nothing to do with shia or sunni differences in her own life, i.e its not a major issue in her biography.
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I don't agree with mentioning shia or sunni differences in the lead, i think it is against what the lead is about very disruptive to its structure especially if the figure in question had nothing to do with shia or sunni differences in her own life, i.e its not a major issue in her biography.
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User Doc, I am sorry to say this, but again you showed your disrespectful behavior again. Why you are calling yourself ALL USERS, and why you are deleting info in the article body? and why you are not removing the huge amount of unsourced info? for sure a sourced info is prior to the unsourced
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You have two quotes, one says she accused him of kufr and the other says she formed an army and led it to avenge him which is the explicit and exact wording of the quote not the contrived attempt at reconciling them, what is between these two quotes is commentary and speculation. While no one
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Now having said that, I do have some issues with the current lead, and I've just made some changes. For one, "Having an implacable hatred against Ali and his family" seems like baiting, whether or not it's intentional - so I've removed it. I'm also having a hard time finding anything about her
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BTW, I just had a look onto the source they seem to be good secondary sources but they have same problem as already existing ones they are not verifiable. There have to be atleast couple of sources which we can verify on web then with these sources (by Ali) & new sources we will have good
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can give good idea how to write it. In my opinion, we can write 3 paragraphs; 1. Background of the war: Aisha's hate and animosity toward Ali and ambition of Talha&Zubair to become Caliphate and their excuse was to revenge Uthman's blood from Ali; 2.Reporting what they did before the war,
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BTW, I just had a look onto the source they seem to be good secondary sources but they have same problem as already existing ones they are not verifiable. There have to be atleast couple of sources which we can verify on web then with these sources (by Ali) & new sources we will have good
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can give good idea how to write it. In my opinion, we can write 3 paragraphs; 1. Background of the war: Aisha's hate and animosity toward Ali and ambition of Talha&Zubair to become Caliphate and their excuse was to revenge Uthman's blood from Ali; 2.Reporting what they did before the war,
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Most of the narratives about low age of Aisha are reported only by Hisham ibn `urwah reporting on the authority of his father. An event as well known as the one being reported, should logically have been reported by more people than just one, two or three. It is quite strange that no one from
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but now I understood I was wrong, and all must accept the whole world in all of its aspects belongs to you. What is the usage of my suggestion, while you and your friends have absolute power here? and you are always repeating same action to reach what you want finally, and then your action is
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I'll strike my comment, though I do still think that "I won't allow you or any one else from any group to include your beliefs in the article body" is slightly hostile. But whatever, it's not a big deal. I don't understand what you're getting at here, though; are you saying that Ibkn kathir's
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do criticize him.'...' I left my daughter and went to visit Umm Salamah, another wife of the Prophet and a close relative of mine. Upon asking her the same question, Umm Salamah replied: 'How strange of you, O Ibn al-Khattab! Are you going to interfere in everything, even in the Prophet's own
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The gossip ignores the relative numbering, frequently used in arab. This method numbers in relation with another event, defined by the context. "6 or 9 years old" can very well mean 6 or9 years "after ten", or "after the start of revelation", or "after twenty", depending on the subject of the
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Indeed Mr. K, we are trying to "clean up" and improve the body, then will add some new content by agreement on talkpage, and only at the end will anything be added to the introduction. The idea of giving the new material its own section is mostly a matter of organization and totally open for
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Indeed Mr. K, we are trying to "clean up" and improve the body, then will add some new content by agreement on talkpage, and only at the end will anything be added to the introduction. The idea of giving the new material its own section is mostly a matter of organization and totally open for
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a straight line drawn to the east of al-Madina passes some distance to the south of Riyadh or the land known as najd. Even the hadith itself clarifies that what was ment was the east and not Aisha's house the person reporting the hadith saw the first thing that obstructed their vision but
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a straight line drawn to the east of al-Madina passes some distance to the south of Riyadh or the land known as najd. Even the hadith itself clarifies that what was ment was the east and not Aisha's house the person reporting the hadith saw the first thing that obstructed their vision but
11723:(i.e. from the East). Narrated by Abdullah Hadith number 2894 Book of Sahih al Bukhari Also Narrated The Prophet, (Peace be upon him), emerged from Ayesha's room saying this is the spearhead of disbelief! It is from here that Satan's horn emerges"! (Refer: Masnad Ahmed, Vol II, Page 23). -
7815:(i.e. from the East). Narrated by Abdullah Hadith number 2894 Book of Sahih al Bukhari Also Narrated The Prophet, (Peace be upon him), emerged from Ayesha's room saying this is the spearhead of disbelief! It is from here that Satan's horn emerges"! (Refer: Masnad Ahmed, Vol II, Page 23). -
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as Caliph. After this event she changed her policy and she formed a rebellion army along with Talha and Zubair and went to the city of Basra to seek vengeance for Uthman's blood, which was the beginning of the second civil war in Islam. In the war, Aisha accompanied the rebel army in her
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and I don't see it there either. So unless this is clarified, those two references should be removed. But perhaps the sentence should be changed to say "Sir William Muir referred to her as one of Muhammad's insubordinate wives" or something like that. Attribution is more accurate in this
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friendly, their are no other third party perspectives or sources on this issue since it is entirely Islamic and you know this very well so essentially what you will be doing is looking for any non shia source that agrees with you and attempting to pass it of as neutral and non biased.
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friendly, their are no other third party perspectives or sources on this issue since it is entirely Islamic and you know this very well so essentially what you will be doing is looking for any non shia source that agrees with you and attempting to pass it of as neutral and non biased.
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3- Tabari informs in his treatise on Islamic history that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were born during the pre Islamic period. The pre-Islamic period ended in 610 A.D, a fact that makes Ayesha to be at least 14 years of age at the time of her marriage around 613-624 A.D.
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I have put tags for verification required, etc in the article. I suppose I have made it mor messy looking but I think it precursor to actual cleanup. It may draw attention of editor community because now I have touched the article. In the process I have already erronously overidden
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It needs some sources. In addition I would like to add that upon Muhammad's death, she collected over 500 written Hadiths and submitted to her father to be burnt.(ref:Shahid Ashraf, Encyclopaedia of Holy Prophet and Companions, p.192/Mufti M. Mukarram Ahmed, Encyclopaedia of Islam,
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I have put tags for verification required, etc in the article. I suppose I have made it mor messy looking but I think it precursor to actual cleanup. It may draw attention of editor community because now I have touched the article. In the process I have already erronously overidden
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It needs some sources. In addition I would like to add that upon Muhammad's death, she collected over 500 written Hadiths and submitted to her father to be burnt.(ref:Shahid Ashraf, Encyclopaedia of Holy Prophet and Companions, p.192/Mufti M. Mukarram Ahmed, Encyclopaedia of Islam,
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Finally, although everyone would prefer to work with online resources because they are the easiest to confirm, we can use any published source which is deemed reliable, even if it is only available in print. In many cases, the most valuable references are found at the library....
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Finally, although everyone would prefer to work with online resources because they are the easiest to confirm, we can use any published source which is deemed reliable, even if it is only available in print. In many cases, the most valuable references are found at the library....
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Finally, although everyone would prefer to work with online resources because they are the easiest to confirm, we can use any published source which is deemed reliable, even if it is only available in print. In many cases, the most valuable references are found at the library....
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Finally, although everyone would prefer to work with online resources because they are the easiest to confirm, we can use any published source which is deemed reliable, even if it is only available in print. In many cases, the most valuable references are found at the library....
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note. So, I put references from Shia, Sunni, etc as it was asked/suggested previously in this discussion. What type of discussion is required in addition to above? Or do you think entire matter I added is garbage. BTW it is turning out that this article is more tough than article
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AsmaĂą is born in 28 before migration, 100 years before her son died. Consequently, she was 29 years old when her younger sister got married to the Prophet(), 1 years after migration to Medina. And younger sister Aisha was 10 years younger, or 19 years old, or "9 years after 10".
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Pretending Aisha was 9 years old when she got married is little gossip. It seems quite certain that when she joined the Prophet() at home, in the month of shawal after the first ramadan in MĂ©dina (Mokhtasar Sirat Ar-rasul, p. 80, Mohammed Ibn AbdulwahĂąb) Aisha was 19 years old.
11596::Welcome here. We have a section, as you can see above, that we need reference for the mentioned matters. You can help us to find some sources. And if you have new matter which is not listed above, you can add it and we'll try our best to find source for them. Thank you again.--
7688::Welcome here. We have a section, as you can see above, that we need reference for the mentioned matters. You can help us to find some sources. And if you have new matter which is not listed above, you can add it and we'll try our best to find source for them. Thank you again.--
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2515:, while this historical fact has occurred, 100 million Turks and much more million Sunni Muslims worldwide try to deny it (compare to 10 million Armenian population). Can the denial of million Turks and their supporting Sunni Muslims affect this reality? Or about the case of
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I also propse to add the matter which we are opting out off the lede (& most of the matter is properly sourced & I have provided magnitude of other sources also) in the article at proper locations(may be as lede of the subsection about her part of life after Prophet
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then review lead for its content, if there is reduction of any content which is present in lead from main body I think it'll have to be removed from lead too. I think we should have some time frame also after all we can't keep waiting for responses or infinite discussion.--
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then review lead for its content, if there is reduction of any content which is present in lead from main body I think it'll have to be removed from lead too. I think we should have some time frame also after all we can't keep waiting for responses or infinite discussion.--
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in the way Knowledge uses the term. That is, academic degrees in a relevant field, other publications in the field that have been vetted by the scholarly community, citations in other reliable sources, etc. And this is not a matter of difference between eastern and western
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Lot of discussion/activity has happened with few new editors involved since I was here last time. It seems editing guild is working upon new lede. There is no problem with first paragarph (I think it never was). Second paragraph deals with Aisha's part of life when Prophet
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to use it as a reference (that's standard practice when referencing books), not just a general link to the website. Does the book have a specific section about Aisha, or is it simply a general discussion of life-at-that-time? The first could be useful, the second probably
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because of Maria's beauty and that she bore a son. This jealousy led to two prominent occasions. In the first one Aisha and Hafsa were threatened to be divorced by Quran. The second one is related to Ibrahim, son of Maria, which made Aisha envious as she didin't have any
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because of Maria's beauty and that she bore a son. This jealousy led to two prominent occasions. In the first one Aisha and Hafsa were threatened to be divorced by Quran. The second one is related to Ibrahim, son of Maria, which made Aisha envious as she didin't have any
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Like several previous times, I welcome anyone who has comment specilly two respected friends users Doc and CĂșchullain. And I ask other involved users, HelloAnnyong, Faizhaidar, not to leave us alone here. For the pleasure of Doc and CĂșchullain, I am going to shorten the
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is a website which doesn't seem to provide sources or references for its content, and hasn't been updated since 1997 so it probably doesn't qualify as a reliable source. Is there any indication that the material on the website was written by a recognized scholar in the
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It's really not necessary to discuss every single word in detail; every other editor involved has agreed that a simpler intro is better for now. The fact is, your challenges have been answered repeatedly, by several different editors but you seem to have a bad case of
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With the permission of my friends, Mohammad and Doc, I am also joining. I believe if we discuss subject by subjet, we'll be more successful. I will open a sub-section for some topics and for the beginning I am continuing with Quran case, which I was discussing above.
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With the permission of my friends, Mohammad and Doc, I am also joining. I believe if we discuss subject by subjet, we'll be more successful. I will open a sub-section for some topics and for the beginning I am continuing with Quran case, which I was discussing above.
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the ones your scholars employ differ at the principal level. No br we dont just quote from bukhari or muslim or any source of narrations as you ignorantly assume a shaykhs opinion would be rejected by his peers for not investigating and researching the issue clearly.
1142:- relevance of the quotes in the introduction itself ...the introduction is meant to sum up the main points of the article you should not be introducing new material into it which is not present in the main body. this is the basics of any introduction by definition.
12826:). These sort of arguments will lead us nowhere. In cases like this where consensus can't be met (or specifically speaking is being blocked) we need to go to WP policies/guidelines/conventions (which Doc has stated & I have repeated in foregoing comments). --
8918:). These sort of arguments will lead us nowhere. In cases like this where consensus can't be met (or specifically speaking is being blocked) we need to go to WP policies/guidelines/conventions (which Doc has stated & I have repeated in foregoing comments). --
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would need further agreement, but at least the material would have a home. Once that section is written and incorporated into the article, then it can be summarized for mention in the lede. Do other editors here think this seems like the right approach or not?
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would need further agreement, but at least the material would have a home. Once that section is written and incorporated into the article, then it can be summarized for mention in the lede. Do other editors here think this seems like the right approach or not?
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Aisha was very rude especially with the other wives of Mohammad, she was also warned as mentioned in Sahih al Muslim that Prophet said âO Aisha, do not be filthy and extremely rude, for Allah detests the use of harsh and evil wordsâ (Sahih Muslim, vol. 07, p.
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Aisha was very rude especially with the other wives of Mohammad, she was also warned as mentioned in Sahih al Muslim that Prophet said âO Aisha, do not be filthy and extremely rude, for Allah detests the use of harsh and evil wordsâ (Sahih Muslim, vol. 07, p.
2797:, it seems to be work of an apologetic who is trying to cover acts of somebody & IMO Knowledge should not be apologetc/supportive/dismissive of anyone. The third paragraph if it is, copyvio from some source may have to be reworded in its entirity to avoid
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is exactly correct; an encyclopedic article will accurately outline both sets of beliefs, Shia and Sunni, with proper references. For WP's purposes, the best references will be neutral secondary and tertiary sources as opposed to partisan or primary sources.
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Agree, some of that material may be useable in the article, but it will have to be totally rewritten; in this state it's too mangled to be at all useful. On the lead, the consensus is clearly in favor of Doc's version, for the various good reasons explained
2519:? For sure the answer is no. Do you have any reference about good relationship between Ali and Aisha? If yes why you are not citing it in the article? and if no, why you are removing the sourced sentence, then accuse other to have removed sourced sentences
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summary of the article's contents, and as such, broad general statements don't necessarily need references if the material is properly referenced in the body. My best suggestion would be to make sure that the content you are concerned about appears in the
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entire article. I have also tried to make it flow as much as possible with out making it sound like a point form introduction or one in which ad-hoc facts have been randomly added to it which doesn't give a sense of time or progression in a persons life.
10119:, there are already two CN tag in the para. But the real question is how is this connected with Aisha directly, okay Abu-Bakr was her father but what role she played in his selection or during his reign. IMO this sub-section is not required altogether.--
6211:, there are already two CN tag in the para. But the real question is how is this connected with Aisha directly, okay Abu-Bakr was her father but what role she played in his selection or during his reign. IMO this sub-section is not required altogether.--
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to seek vegenanace for Uthman's blood, this seems obscure but its true and it was how event proceeded she (& others like Talha, Zubair, etc) changed her attitude for political mielage (quite alike like common politicians of our age). In contrast Ali
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I'm curious what other editors have to say on this topic, and we should definitely wait for others to chime in before making any sort of changes to the actual text. You're more than welcome to recommend an entirely new version of the lead if you want. â
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suggest to wait for two-three weeks. Deffinetely next step will be to add material (obviously a difficult part, considering source controversy but we need to draw line somewhere). Meanwhile (i.e. during next two-three weeks) we may develop new draft at
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suggest to wait for two-three weeks. Deffinetely next step will be to add material (obviously a difficult part, considering source controversy but we need to draw line somewhere). Meanwhile (i.e. during next two-three weeks) we may develop new draft at
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involved in the battle of the camel in which an army was formed to avenge the death of the third Muslim caliph and often regretted her involvement. The prophet died while she was 18 years old and she remained unmarried until her death at the age of 65.
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so your quoting a source which you don't believe is reliable, my point exactly. Further i dont know of any other group of people who would label Aisha a "wretched women" so please enlighten me, in either case what you chose to respond to itself says
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so your quoting a source which you don't believe is reliable, my point exactly. Further i dont know of any other group of people who would label Aisha a "wretched women" so please enlighten me, in either case what you chose to respond to itself says
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Allamah Sayyid Ja'far Murtada al-Amili & Ayatollah Sayyid Husseini Qazvini are reputed Shia scholars. I have already given details of Muhammad Ali. Muhammad Ali's book is published resource & just now I have got a link which has its content
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to think that I or someone else has misquoted them, I'm removing those tags as well. I must note that online sources are in no way preferable to well received scholarly works such as Spellberg's and Watt's; convenience does not trump reliability.--
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to think that I or someone else has misquoted them, I'm removing those tags as well. I must note that online sources are in no way preferable to well received scholarly works such as Spellberg's and Watt's; convenience does not trump reliability.--
3223:. I guess now these evidences are enough to reveal there is a hidden desire behind such these edits. If I am wrong (which can be possible and I am apologizing in advance if it's so), I kindly ask both respected users to explain about their edits.
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sources you see one thing while we see another but this is a different issue, please don't immaturely quote our sources unless you have a sunni Mujtahid imams commentary to go along with it as not even our shaikhs are allowed to do such a thing.
10505:(I suppose this is standard practice). Any suggestions? Any ways there is always undo/revert option, feel free to use it if you (i.e. any body) doesn't agree but please drop a note here or at my talk page stating reason for reversion. Thanks. --
6597:(I suppose this is standard practice). Any suggestions? Any ways there is always undo/revert option, feel free to use it if you (i.e. any body) doesn't agree but please drop a note here or at my talk page stating reason for reversion. Thanks. --
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It would be entirely reasonable to include a few lines of well written content on this subject; I don't think anyone is objecting to that. But for you to unilaterally add 12 paragraphs about such a minor topic is utterly ridiculous. I offer you
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article body. Any way, I was thinking our respected admin, HelloAnnyong,is neutral but his last edit proved something else. I won't interfere here any more, and let them enjoy their great victory in hiding reality by their so-called consensus.--
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sentences, but you are OK with the poor sentences which are written in the past? why you are deleting any single sentence I am adding to the article intro or article body? according to whic policy did you removed my sentences from article body?
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I would strongly support semi-protection as this page sees more IP vandalism than constructive edits. In fact, it's relatively stable except for vandalism. The edit by Helloharry is very typical of that activity and the account bears watching.
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So, practically speaking we are left with no option but to delete all the content of the Article except few lines which don't require reference. ;) Or we should ignore all of her/his advices and move forward with all/any RS per se WP policy.
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is the sunni perspective of the battle, its not a scholarly work as it lacks references but essentially this is how the majority of sunnis believe events occured. the work is aimed at the general public hence its common wording. another work
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So, practically speaking we are left with no option but to delete all the content of the Article except few lines which don't require reference. ;) Or we should ignore all of her/his advices and move forward with all/any RS per se WP policy.
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is the sunni perspective of the battle, its not a scholarly work as it lacks references but essentially this is how the majority of sunnis believe events occured. the work is aimed at the general public hence its common wording. another work
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Another suggestion is that at the time of her nikah Aishah was 16 years old (sittah ashra). It is quite possible that the later authors, while quoting the figures, mistakenly omitted âashar (ten in Arabic), thus changing 16 to 6 years old.
2863:"an encyclopedic article will accurately outline both sets of beliefs, Shia and Sunni, with proper references. For WP's purposes, the best references will be neutral secondary and tertiary sources as opposed to partisan or primary sources."
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so you agree sahih bukhari is a reliable source since you have been quoting from it all this time. Ill illustrate my point for other editors and demonstrate how narrations can be twisted, explanations made up and manipulated to support an
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so you agree sahih bukhari is a reliable source since you have been quoting from it all this time. Ill illustrate my point for other editors and demonstrate how narrations can be twisted, explanations made up and manipulated to support an
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Al-Sirah al-Nabawiyyah, Ibn Hisham, vol 1, Pg 227 â 234 and 295, Arabic, Maktabah al-Riyadh al-hadithah, Al-Riyadh Al-isabah fi tamyizi'l-sahabah, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Vol 4, Pg 377, Arabic, Maktabatu'l-Riyadh al-haditha, al-Riyadh,1978
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With someone this controversial - and yes, she is controversial, particularly in terms of how old she was when she married - it's better to have everything sourced. And even if you sourced it, you cannot copy something verbatim, as it is
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Currently several of us are engaged in reviewing the article with the goal of strengthening existing references and adding new ones, or eventually removing content that can't be properly attributed. There has been some confusion and the
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Currently several of us are engaged in reviewing the article with the goal of strengthening existing references and adding new ones, or eventually removing content that can't be properly attributed. There has been some confusion and the
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Thanks HA! for balancing out the lede. I hope things get settled now (but, I know it will not because may be current party will give up but there will be new ones, for some people only their view is of importance and all other views are
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has provided). I was just trying to resolve issue for now but it seems we will be getting nothing from Mr K other than his negative comments. I have already asked three times and thats it any way we can't keep waiting endlessly for the
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has provided). I was just trying to resolve issue for now but it seems we will be getting nothing from Mr K other than his negative comments. I have already asked three times and thats it any way we can't keep waiting endlessly for the
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analysis I included. The problem is difference between western & eastern scholarship. Any why did Doc put a CN notice on unsourced matter & left it in lead too, at least an unsourced matter should not be lead. Come lets discuss
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I can see a User pointing that all western sources and Shia sources are unreliable and User Faizhaider is asking which source are reliable. The sources which I have mentioned are from Sunni books I hope at least these are reliable. -
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I can see a User pointing that all western sources and Shia sources are unreliable and User Faizhaider is asking which source are reliable. The sources which I have mentioned are from Sunni books I hope at least these are reliable. -
1289:, the lead of the article is meant to be an accurate summary of the contents of the article. I think it accomplishes that for the most part, but something like beheading 600 people should probably be listed in the article if it can be
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She is often remembered as Muhammadâs closest and most beloved wife, as the person having the most intimate understanding of the Prophetâs practices. As a result, Aisha is credited by Sunnis as the transmitter of more than 2,000
1927:, what you want to change in the current lead. Just state it as "I want to change 'this phrase' to 'that phrase'" and so on. Once we have something concrete to work with, then we can figure out what should and should not change. â
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accelerated so that we have base article free from any unreferenced source, then we can start adding but that will be the difficult part as most of us will have to agree (consensus) on what & where to add. Thanks again. :) --
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accelerated so that we have base article free from any unreferenced source, then we can start adding but that will be the difficult part as most of us will have to agree (consensus) on what & where to add. Thanks again. :) --
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That once Umm-Salama brought a bowl of soup for Aisha and Muhammad, but Aisha felt jealous and became angry and broke Umm-Salama's bowl. In 3 other occasions Aisha broke the bowl of food of Zaynab, Safiya, and Hafsa due to her
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That once Umm-Salama brought a bowl of soup for Aisha and Muhammad, but Aisha felt jealous and became angry and broke Umm-Salama's bowl. In 3 other occasions Aisha broke the bowl of food of Zaynab, Safiya, and Hafsa due to her
10754:(just kidding), we can take name from some source (I hope that'll not be copyvio). But before adding new matter to section we will have to clean existing section. Meanwhile new matter to be added can be framed and finalised.--
6846:(just kidding), we can take name from some source (I hope that'll not be copyvio). But before adding new matter to section we will have to clean existing section. Meanwhile new matter to be added can be framed and finalised.--
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Why did Doc put a CN notice on unsourced matter & left it in lead too, at least an unsourced matter should not be lead. Sections "Death" & "Views" don't contain single citation. Sub-section "Death of Muhammad" sites a
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we just care what history scholars say, not what religious scholar believe. (Pay attention the article is much less than 30 KB). I kindly ask you to discuss in detail, about each single sentence and word you want to delete. --
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Tarikh-e-Ibne Khuldun states that Hazrat Aisha was killed by Marwan and his family.Simon Ockley in his "The History of Saracens" holds Muwayia responsible for the death of Hazrat Ayesha--hassan 06:59, 23 December 2009 (UTC).
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Aisha was a hater of Khadija and she was not so jealous about Muhammad's affection toward any of his wife as she was of Khadija, who was the first Mslim.A famous comment of Aisha about Khadija: Aisha shouted to Muhammad and
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Aisha was a hater of Khadija and she was not so jealous about Muhammad's affection toward any of his wife as she was of Khadija, who was the first Mslim.A famous comment of Aisha about Khadija: Aisha shouted to Muhammad and
3557:, you are free to bring up suggested changes here on the talk page, and if other editors agree with them, they can be added to the text. It's as simple as that. If you don't like Knowledge's policies, don't edit Knowledge.--
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OK, I got time to look at the sources. First one (i.e. The women of Madina), I can't find the incidence but rest three of the resources have the incidence reported. Here are thre sources with precise link to the incidence:
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OK, I got time to look at the sources. First one (i.e. The women of Madina), I can't find the incidence but rest three of the resources have the incidence reported. Here are thre sources with precise link to the incidence:
157:, Some have suggested that Aishah was born in 610 CE, some 11 or 12 years before the Migration to Madinah in 622, which would mean that at the time of her full marriage she would have been around 14 years old, and not 9.
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action on the lead, and find it to be better to the one that was there before. It's increasingly apparent that we won't come to a consensus on the lead, so I think it better to put the issue to rest and leave it small. â
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Sorry but I can't understand most of your questions and it's really not appropriate to speculate about another editor's "feelings" which seems to be your main thrust, so I'm only going to address the links you provided:
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is on the one who wants the material included to defend it. Sorry, but various editors have explained to you the reasons why your edits don't cut it and were removed. You're just repeating yourself now, and it's getting
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is well sourced (or appears to be) but sources used are either primary source like Qur'an, Bukhari, etc. or are apparently secondary source but they are not verifiable. Also few sentences are without any reference e.g.
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is well sourced (or appears to be) but sources used are either primary source like Qur'an, Bukhari, etc. or are apparently secondary source but they are not verifiable. Also few sentences are without any reference e.g.
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A total of 5 editors have commented in this section; when I said "ALL other editors" I specifically meant the 4 who have disagreed with you on this topic. Why not try suggesting your changes here and getting consensus?
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regarding your disdain for women on the battlefield sunnis' have narrations from the prophet giving permission to women to participate in Battle, the verse you quote has a context and clear limits which i wont go into
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ignore your concerns though, so let me offer a suggestion: we could work towards including some of this material in a new section of the article, to be titled "Shia views of Aisha" (or similar). Other articles like
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ignore your concerns though, so let me offer a suggestion: we could work towards including some of this material in a new section of the article, to be titled "Shia views of Aisha" (or similar). Other articles like
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cares what scholars think, not what individual editors think, or whether someone is a "qualified sunni mujtahid". Doc's simpler, better written version is superior; the long version was too messy and rambling to be
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First paragraph is fine. Second paragraph needs a great deal of referencing about her being "intensely in love", "regrett her involvement", and so on. The third paragraph is stolen from "Encyclopedia of Islam" (see
10707:(No. 19 to 30), and I avoided to list them here as they are a lot. You misunderstood a point; this has nothing to do with Shia-Sunni. These are reports (Hadith) of Aisha about Quran, and that's why I wrote them in
6799:(No. 19 to 30), and I avoided to list them here as they are a lot. You misunderstood a point; this has nothing to do with Shia-Sunni. These are reports (Hadith) of Aisha about Quran, and that's why I wrote them in
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more concrete or useful response right now (it's getting late for me), but didn't want to ignore your comment altogether. Let's simply agree that we can and will continue to discuss the details cordially. Thanks,
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more concrete or useful response right now (it's getting late for me), but didn't want to ignore your comment altogether. Let's simply agree that we can and will continue to discuss the details cordially. Thanks,
11767:). So, we can move forward Doc ha salready explained the reference rules in next section. Just to point out we do need to clear/source existing article prior any addition so that we have a fixed atarting point.--
7859:). So, we can move forward Doc ha salready explained the reference rules in next section. Just to point out we do need to clear/source existing article prior any addition so that we have a fixed atarting point.--
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content written by historians, Islamic studies specialists, and the like. Your time would be better spent trying to find some of those than accumulating masses of inferior material and trying to insert it here.--
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I did not give you protection to let you change the heart of my people. On that Abu Bakr let him revoke his protection, without compromising his right of dawa. he never attempted to migrate to abyssinia again.
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Only 2 references and neither of them are directly related to Aisha....not a good situation. Would it be better to tag the section as we have others, or copy it here to the talkpage until we find better refs?
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Only 2 references and neither of them are directly related to Aisha....not a good situation. Would it be better to tag the section as we have others, or copy it here to the talkpage until we find better refs?
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they were there in Turkey (& not Arabia forget Mecca & Medina specifically) from 1299-1923 (over 600 years after Aisha). So, it neither about Aisha, nor is it a general discussion of life-at-that-time.
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i don't agree with the whole section as it is little more than politics and revisionism, if the shia and ahmadia would like to discuss their views on her they can start a separate page and link to this one.
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this is clear case of false reference. Last sentence says she did not marry afterwards (ok with it) but then gives a justification from Quran (imo its not required, its enough to say that she didn't married
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i don't agree with the whole section as it is little more than politics and revisionism, if the shia and ahmadia would like to discuss their views on her they can start a separate page and link to this one.
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this is clear case of false reference. Last sentence says she did not marry afterwards (ok with it) but then gives a justification from Quran (imo its not required, its enough to say that she didn't married
11967:& it is true for online resources also, an example of such instance is there on this article also which I have already pointed out in my section on references above). That doesn't mean that I am anti
8059:& it is true for online resources also, an example of such instance is there on this article also which I have already pointed out in my section on references above). That doesn't mean that I am anti
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That doesn't makes much difference. Anyways thanks for your words & opinion. We now know you stand nowhere near consensus and are not interested in any creative dialog. --12:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
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verifiable then one can claim that this article is almost fine as stated above. So far this article is incomplete. Certain points which can be considered for inclusion are listed below with references :
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is only for the first Muslims generation, and that it's not related to next generations. (When next Muslim generation were calling her, Mother, she was replying:I am not your mother, I am mother of your
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That doesn't makes much difference. Anyways thanks for your words & opinion. We now know you stand nowhere near consensus and are not interested in any creative dialog. --12:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
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verifiable then one can claim that this article is almost fine as stated above. So far this article is incomplete. Certain points which can be considered for inclusion are listed below with references :
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is only for the first Muslims generation, and that it's not related to next generations. (When next Muslim generation were calling her, Mother, she was replying:I am not your mother, I am mother of your
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you have to believe Muhammad was the last prophet sent to man by god. several people claiming to be prophets have arisen since islam and all have been rejected by major companions of the prophet see the
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Its even more interesting that you are quoting ahadith by Ibn Umar, why dont you share with other editors what you believe about ibn umar and explain why you think these narrations are accurate in your
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how about you just stop doing primary research. Whats the next step stating sunni's amazingly believe the incident occurred the way you say it does becouse you think our primary sources agree with you?
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I think everybody gets little disappointed when things don't happen as per ones desire but you can't keep on living in disappointment one has to move on. BTW here in India is already passed 04:30 AMÂ ;).
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Its even more interesting that you are quoting ahadith by Ibn Umar, why dont you share with other editors what you believe about ibn umar and explain why you think these narrations are accurate in your
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how about you just stop doing primary research. Whats the next step stating sunni's amazingly believe the incident occurred the way you say it does becouse you think our primary sources agree with you?
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I think everybody gets little disappointed when things don't happen as per ones desire but you can't keep on living in disappointment one has to move on. BTW here in India is already passed 04:30 AMÂ ;).
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that reference. What makes history is not sayings of me, Ibn kathir or any one else. I will resist against any ownership of this article, and I hope this manner won't be interpreted as something else.
1004:& not painting a pink picture of anybody. These are the facts and are properly sourced and verifiable. Article (including lede) has to be balanced and NPOV. You can't brush away her involvement in
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agreed to tell him, upon his return that he smelled of Maghafeer". (Refer: Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol 6, Page 68. Maghafeer is a substance extracted from a tree. It has a sweet taste but very foul smell.
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agreed to tell him, upon his return that he smelled of Maghafeer". (Refer: Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol 6, Page 68. Maghafeer is a substance extracted from a tree. It has a sweet taste but very foul smell.
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and shouldn't be removed or altered without further discussion and agreement. Although the higher estimates for Aisha's age are definitely a rather modern (and minority) view, generally regarded as
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Can you list the sources which you will agree upon? Please don't list a book in you cupboard, we want verifiable resources, which all of us on this page can read & understand i.e. authentic RS.
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Can you list the sources which you will agree upon? Please don't list a book in you cupboard, we want verifiable resources, which all of us on this page can read & understand i.e. authentic RS.
1492:"O wives of the Prophet! you are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in (your) speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word.
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925:"she formed a rebellion army including Talha and Zubair and went to the city of Basra to seek vengeance for Uthman's blood," is anyone actually reading this idiotic introduction, in one sentence "
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I went thru the sources, imo first source is not reliable one it seems to be some book containing moral stories. Rest two sources seem to be goo, I'm listing them with precise link to incidence:
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I went thru the sources, imo first source is not reliable one it seems to be some book containing moral stories. Rest two sources seem to be goo, I'm listing them with precise link to incidence:
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I brought my logical reasons, biography of a person must include a summary of his/her whole life. Aisha was not only a Hadith narrator. Now I want to bring more things here to reveal some facts:
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Nobody is doing orignal research, the references in lede are all secondary sources e.g. Sir William Muir, D. S. Margoliouth, Muhammad Husayn Haykal, Umar Farookh, Sir John Glubb, Goodwin, etc. --
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Before starting, as some may not be familiar with Islamic history, I would like to mention revelation of each verse of Quran was due to an occasion happened during lifetime of Prophet Muhammad.
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Something more: Umar specified 10000 dirham pension for each of the Prophet's wife, with the exception of Aisha who was receiving 12000 dirhams.)Excellence and precedence:By Asma Afsaruddin p.48
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Before starting, as some may not be familiar with Islamic history, I would like to mention revelation of each verse of Quran was due to an occasion happened during lifetime of Prophet Muhammad.
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Something more: Umar specified 10000 dirham pension for each of the Prophet's wife, with the exception of Aisha who was receiving 12000 dirhams.)Excellence and precedence:By Asma Afsaruddin p.48
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Firstly, I disagree with Faizhaider's attempts to reinsert Maulana Ali's views on Aisha. Shia and Sunni are the biggest sects in Islam and Aisha plays a major role in these sects. Aisha plays
11705:âNarrated Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not.â (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 7, Bk. 71, No. 660)
7797:âNarrated Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not.â (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 7, Bk. 71, No. 660)
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His caliph & vicigerent and held the State to ransom, insisted that her demands to be met through methods such as propaganda, incitement, and seizing control of administrative provinces.
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have mentioned that the battle there is an important topic. After reading through some of the material that they provided, I definitely agree. In fact, it seems we might reasonably create a
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There are some matters about Aisha's life that I don't have source for them now, but I thought it would be a good idea to list them here as it's probable that someone has sources for them.--
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Unless someone else gets to it first, I will read these thoroughly over the next couple of days, and then post some suggested text here on the talkpage for general discussion. Thanks again,
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have mentioned that the battle there is an important topic. After reading through some of the material that they provided, I definitely agree. In fact, it seems we might reasonably create a
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There are some matters about Aisha's life that I don't have source for them now, but I thought it would be a good idea to list them here as it's probable that someone has sources for them.--
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Unless someone else gets to it first, I will read these thoroughly over the next couple of days, and then post some suggested text here on the talkpage for general discussion. Thanks again,
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stay as neutral as possible. There are a lot of sources given in the current lead, and most of them do not strike me as particularly offensive (though I'm not well versed on this subject).
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tag removal of these texts may have resulted in total blanking of sections which I din't intended to do. IMO, now we should leave article for two-three weeks and start doing draft work on
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tag removal of these texts may have resulted in total blanking of sections which I din't intended to do. IMO, now we should leave article for two-three weeks and start doing draft work on
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links to the online equivalent of a card catalog, not the book itself. The book seems like it would probably be reliable for some things, but it would be necessary to cite the actual book
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that supposedly support your view none of which have been verified and you ask us to take it on good faith. i have already shown how poor english and misquotes have marred this article.
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well my methodology at least agrees with wikki policy, no original research, understand that and you may understand why we don't just take quotes out of context from bukhari and muslim.
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pit and died.(ref:History of the Saracens Comprising the Lives of Mohammed and His Successors By Simon Ockley page 375). You can reword it in better way and replace it in the article.--
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pit and died.(ref:History of the Saracens Comprising the Lives of Mohammed and His Successors By Simon Ockley page 375). You can reword it in better way and replace it in the article.--
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1964:"During the siege of Uthman, she was asked to stay in Medina, but she left the city without paying attention."...not relevant to the intro and not sourced so cant even judge accuracy.
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was at one time the adopted son with the name zaya ibn muhammed. but verses from the quran were revealed to the prophet Annulling adoption so he retained the name zayd ibn harithah.
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Alright, this has gone on long enough. We're not going to spend days and days discussing ideology and beliefs that have been debated for centuries. Ibn kathir, can you explain here,
12933:"Aisha was informed about the opinion of the women, but there was some thing inside her boiling like a cooking pot against Ali" (Kanz al-Ummal, Volume 16 ,Page 186, Tradition 44216)
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that Ayesha herself admitted that she was the wretched woman in Hu'ab and would be on the wrong path in the Battle of Basrah of which Prophet Mohammad himself warned her against. -
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The entire intro should be re-written according to wiki policy of what an intro should be and none of these points bar the last are of major importance or relevance in the article.
1485:"Aisha was informed about the opinion of the women, but there was some thing inside her boiling like a cooking pot against Ali" (Kanz al-Ummal, Volume 16 ,Page 186, Tradition 44216)
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The two references (one is not verifiable & other is semi-verifiable) seem to be secondary source. If we can get a good source where full story is there we may ad this stuff.--
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The two references (one is not verifiable & other is semi-verifiable) seem to be secondary source. If we can get a good source where full story is there we may ad this stuff.--
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what a parody? a reference is used to push aisha's claim contains name of her arch-rival Ali. Isn't it hilarious. So when does discussion begins and when will action take place?--
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This event is of great importance in early Islamic history, this event was part of first fitna and a great event of Aisha's part, so it has got right to be mentioned in the lede.
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11702:âNarrated Aisha: Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done.â (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 4, Bk. 53, No. 400)
7794:âNarrated Aisha: Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done.â (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 4, Bk. 53, No. 400)
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I self-reverted my previous edit, but have a look to it. Do you see any problem in it? By the way, non of the info of the current intro is deleted (have a look to be sure).--
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conflicting reports" and that "Some early reports and opinions have claimed that Aisha was older at the time of the marriage or consummation" based only on Ali's own book.--
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is a website which doesn't seem to provide sources or references for its content, and hasn't been updated since 1997 so it probably doesn't qualify as a reliable source.--
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is a website which doesn't seem to provide sources or references for its content, and hasn't been updated since 1997 so it probably doesn't qualify as a reliable source.--
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accounts. After Muhammadâs death, she was consulted as an authority on his habits and recommendations. and is considered as the first female scholar in Islam. Source or
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The bottom line is this: stop edit warring challenged material back into the article. If you do it even one more time, you will be blocked from editing. As has been said
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an Islamic issue the prophet himself would have legislated against it, it is also evident that all his wives where guilty of insubordination at some point in their life.
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to prohibit them from any marriage after Muhammad's death. (A widow can marry another man after her husband death but marriage of Son-Mother is forbidden in Islam).(ref:
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I don't that way rather I provide references from Sunni books and include only those which are mentioned and narrate the incident as it was by the Sunni books. Thanks -
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however. For example, I just read about the Shia "hadiths" (in the article on "The Four Books"). Are any of Aisha's hadiths (or any references to her-- either positive
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Regrettably all other sources are either primary source like Qur'an, Bukhari, etc. or are secondary source with fascinating names but unverifiable (at least by me).
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If Shi'is are fringe and their sources should not be considered then atleast you'll consider Qur'an, Bukhari, Muslim, Kanz al-Ummal, Tarikh Kamil, or they also are
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IK, if you take your point then that'll mean that no Mulsim should quote Bible (becuase its their belief that present day Bible is a corrupted version of original
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article just for minority views is discouraged by policy. Remember, Aisha's biography is a single story, the only difference is how other groups view her. Thanks,
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better represent the 'normal' view (as opposed to a minority view). Even Orientalist scholars disregards the shi'a sources when it comes to the history of Islam.
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Mr HAW! Please put up any matter for discussion & consensus before adding it to article, we have a section going on for discussions for new matter addition.--
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Mr HAW! Please put up any matter for discussion & consensus before adding it to article, we have a section going on for discussions for new matter addition.--
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I think one point here being mis-understood entirely is Aisha being critical of Uthman and being supporter of rebels against Uthman and then rebeling against Ali
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look i dont want to sit here and baby sit every shia on the fundamentals of sunni beliefe, just stop quoting from sunni sources and half the issue will go away.
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look i dont want to sit here and baby sit every shia on the fundamentals of sunni beliefe, just stop quoting from sunni sources and half the issue will go away.
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If you both (women) repent to Allah, (it is better for you), for your hearts have swerved from the right path and if you supported each other against the Prophet
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for the murder of which her hand had also some blood and above all she was not the heir of Uthman to demand Qisas, he was survived by sons who were adult. The
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Book of contention and strife concerning the relations between the BanĆ« Umayya and the BanĆ« HÄshim, Aáž„mad ibn Ê»AlÄ« MaqrÄ«zÄ«, University of Manchester, 1980
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means? Do you guys know anything about Shia Twelver Usuli Hawza system of education and scholarship? This indeed about Eastern & Western scholarship.--
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or entirely done away with (which IMO is not possible as it is her acievement, anyways I do'nt want any banner atleast not after so much of brainstorming).
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and other kinds of self-published sources, which are generally not allowed. I also don't see that you've done anything to establish that Ali is notable.--
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I'm done with cleanup job of the article. IMO, now we should leave article for two-three weeks and start doing draft work. I have created draft page on
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Thanks, you got all the sections without any references tagged. The next step will be to add refs where needed, a somewhat longer-term project, heh heh.
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I'm done with cleanup job of the article. IMO, now we should leave article for two-three weeks and start doing draft work. I have created draft page on
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i'm certainly no expert on Islam or the life of the Prophet, but my understanding is that the Prophet married Aisha as the third of his wives ten wives.
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I'll be willing to go with this stance but the problem is few people on this page think that to interpret Sunni books of hadith and history you must be
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The text is discussing Abubakr's election, and it's not related to Aisha. I mentioned two points (gifts, and her support) in Caliphate section.--
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The text is discussing Abubakr's election, and it's not related to Aisha. I mentioned two points (gifts, and her support) in Caliphate section.--
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It's a good start, and if the tags leave the article looking a bit ugly for now, that just gives us cause to work harder on the cleanup  :)
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It's a good start, and if the tags leave the article looking a bit ugly for now, that just gives us cause to work harder on the cleanup  :)
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Volume 4, Book 53, Number 336: Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet stood up and delivered a sermon, and pointing to 'Aisha's house
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11050:. Story of Aisha-Malica and Aisha-Asma:Aisha was jealous of their beauty. Aisha conspiracy against them led to divorce of both.
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person, Hisham bin Urwah, who is the last narrator of this Hadith Isnaad (chain of narration) on the authority of his father.
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lets make things clear i wont agree to shia interpretations of sunni primary sources, i think that can be used as a baseline.
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it wont be accepted in the article, you may use it to help in an argument but you need secondary or tertiary sources. read...
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Its time that you contribute something to this page apart from counter-comments & negations. Hope to hear from you soon.--
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lets make things clear i wont agree to shia interpretations of sunni primary sources, i think that can be used as a baseline.
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it wont be accepted in the article, you may use it to help in an argument but you need secondary or tertiary sources. read...
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Its time that you contribute something to this page apart from counter-comments & negations. Hope to hear from you soon.--
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It is known that Aisha was jealous of Muhammad's other wives (Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3453), especially his first wife-
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attributable to one source. And if nothing else, it seems pretty POV to include this given the overall tone of the passage. â
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The heirs of Muhammad: Islam's first century and the origins of the Sunni-Shia split, Barnaby Rogerson, Overlook Press, 2007
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I answered at length on your talkpage and described in detail the exact "structure" (approach) to use. Regarding your text:
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camel-litter. Ali overcame the rebels, and the defeated army was treated with generosity and Aisha was sent back to Medina."
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domestic affairs?'" 'Umar continued: "With this I was utterly rebuffed and I abandoned every thought I had entertained."
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years not 9. No one should undo or delete my contribution except with the trackable PROOFS that the references are false.
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Mr K, thanks for your valuable comments its great to hear from you once again I was just wondering about your well being.
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Mr K, thanks for your valuable comments its great to hear from you once again I was just wondering about your well being.
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There are thousands of individuals or islamic sects more prominent than Maulana Ali/Ahmadiyya with views on this issue.
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said the third time: "In that place are earthquakes, and seditions, and in that place shall rise the devilâs horn ."â
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said the third time: "In that place are earthquakes, and seditions, and in that place shall rise the devilâs horn ."â
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Since material in the lede should reflect info in the body, it isn't always necessary to have references in the lede,
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I don't know the answer to this question, so I pose it to those Wikipediaists who know more about her than I do....
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Ya! that was easiest part, didn't need to establish anything. Hope so that further exercise also is that easy ;) --
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Ya! that was easiest part, didn't need to establish anything. Hope so that further exercise also is that easy ;) --
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Until the idiocy of the introduction is sorted out in a meaningful dialogue i am going to delete those paragraphs.
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bukhari to be an authentic work which you believe in otherwise stop quoting something which you believe is false.
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But it is only fringe until such claims are not available from other sources from different community/time/etc.
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BTW it is not elitist to defend a historical figure who is clearly a part of your faith its just common sense.
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The current intro is fine the way it is - short and to the point. Why would we further remove stuff from it? â
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a time line close to her marriage with the Prophet. Obviously, she was at least older than 15 at that time.
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with a fine tooth comb in the last 1400 years and suddenly you have discovered something no one else has.
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have similar sections to provide that kind of information so it seems reasonable that this one could too.
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I was just going thru the links and found that preceeding to chapter (#32) refers to role of Aisha in the
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I am waiting for discussion over above points. Is anybody available? Because I can't touch the article.--
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Consider this conversation between Ubayd bin Abi Salma and Aisha from Tarikh Kamil, Volume 3, Page 100,
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source and should be treated as such, i am also still waiting for a reply to the points i raised above.
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including their journey from Mecca to Basra and their massacre in Basra; 3.The war day and aftermath.--
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including their journey from Mecca to Basra and their massacre in Basra; 3.The war day and aftermath.--
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Thanks to both of you for correcting my mistake about Shia/Sunni differences; I appreciate your help.
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Do we need to put some mechanism to track the development of revision, something like a table or like
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Yes, Ibn kathir, comments like that are hardly conducive to a respectful, collaborative environment.--
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Thanks to both of you for correcting my mistake about Shia/Sunni differences; I appreciate your help.
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Do we need to put some mechanism to track the development of revision, something like a table or like
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So? Does wikipedia has negative listing for "The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement"? What do you think title
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against other wives (and got a verse revealed as per warning) and violated clear instruction of Allah
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Thanks all. My goal was to keep it short and simple and leave the details to be covered in the body.
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but if you read it, it doesn't have Aisha mentioned once in the reference on contrary it says that,
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Aisha and we should be using historical sources, not partisan ones - no matter which way they go. â
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After all you are not going to accept anything which you don't want. Did infidels not asked Prophet
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this page apart from counter-comments & negations (a verifiable RS list will be good start). --
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10458:, not seeing your comment up here. As I said there I've removed the tags from the "age" sections.--
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for Ahmadiyyas. At the very least, if you will insert Ahmadiyya views, at least insert quotes from
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It seems someone is running a drive against Knowledge in general &this article in particular. (
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I don't really get your issues in the text you bolded. Do you want those removed outright, or what?
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support the latter part, so perhaps the first part about him being an apostate should be removed.
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Ali, has added some comments regarding this section (content & reference) in next section.--
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Ali, has added some comments regarding this section (content & reference) in next section.--
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Thanks for your heroic efforts on this article! I will read and comment as soon as possible.
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About this section, I have lots of references, just someone must write a good content for it.
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History of the Saracens Comprising the Lives of Mohammed and His Successors By Simon Ockley
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Why do you always have to be remembering that toothless and Qurayshite with her red mouth?
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Why do you always have to be remembering that toothless and Qurayshite with her red mouth?
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I'll start from first section and then elaborate successively others one by one in order.
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Ammadiyyas constitute only 0.5 percent of the muslim population with 10 million followers.
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besides me at least 4 other editors agree with me that Maulana Muhammad Ali constitutes a
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complete Tradition from History of Tabari, History of Tabari, English Edition, volume 16,
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of people rather than finding large amounts of information as to why others favour them.
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section. Any way, I will discuss more tomorrow night, else I will loose my university.--
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About betrothed with Jubayr ibn Mut'im, currently I don't have any academic source, but
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It doesn't matter who agrees with what, its all based upon reliability and consensus. -
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for showing courtesy and asking a peer editor for opinion and feed-back for consensus.--
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section. Any way, I will discuss more tomorrow night, else I will loose my university.--
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About betrothed with Jubayr ibn Mut'im, currently I don't have any academic source, but
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Sahaba and Tabayeen had highlighted Aishaâs shift in policy on Uthman, few sources are:
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most common accounts although their are primary sources which clearly state otherwise.
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negative) in these "Shia approved" writings? If so, THAT might be of significance....
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or do you mean it needs to be rephrased to say the exact same thing and then sourced.
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The women of Madina, Abu 'Abdullah Muhammad Ibn Sa'd, Muងammad Ibn Saʻd, Ta-Ha, 1995
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but it doesn't have Aisha mentioned once in the reference on contrary it says that,
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did (event of spliting of moon) they turned away accusing him of being a magician.--
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question: Does a 6- or 9-year old have that level of quality of sound judgment?
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fine the way it is right now, I think. I see no reason to shorten it further. â
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Aisha's report about women, in which she compared a woman with a dog and monkey
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BTW here is the papers extract about Hisham ibn `urwah's report being case of
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present (as discussed above lede should be summary/overview of the article).--
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Um, did you just threaten to edit war? 'Cause... that's really not acceptable.
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I want this to be better worded, ive highlighted the words i have issues with,
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Ayesha at 20 or more at the time of her marriage with Muhammad (623-624 A.D.)
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Be happy, we have entirely different focus now. BTW I got interesting link
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on the issue and I'd actually consider removing it altogether from the lead.
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I wanted to add the following regarding Aisha's relationship with muhammad.
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Madam Ayeshah married Prophet Muhammad when she was 19 years old and not 9
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Thank you very much for your great helps. Actually the correct spelling is
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Significance of the last sentence in the first paragraph (as listed below)?
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No worries, and thanks for letting me know about it. I commented below at
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No worries, and thanks for letting me know about it. I commented below at
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So does that means iyo light-of-life.com is of no use as a reference here?
4738:. In conclusion, these fringe views by Ahmadiyyas should not be included.
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and "she formed a rebellion army... to seek vengeance for Uthman's blood".
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Thanks Ali, those 2 links are very useful! It's also interesting because
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Thanks Ali, those 2 links are very useful! It's also interesting because
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Her personal hatred towards him and his family is displayed by argument,
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reports about Quran, so imo its more appropriate that it is included in
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She is accused of having formerly stirred up the people against 'Othman.
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reports about Quran, so imo its more appropriate that it is included in
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She is accused of having formerly stirred up the people against 'Othman.
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shia is that Sunni's claim Shias are rejecting authenticity of Quran.
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intro in 11 lines, is it still long? If yes, we can shorten it more.--
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mentioned my faith. Please confine you editing within good faith. -
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mentioned my faith. Please confine you editing within good faith. -
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1991:. In the war, Aisha accompanied the rebel army in her camel-litter. "
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could it have been meant that she was the last of his wives to die?
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Thanks to everyone for their contributions here, and happy editing.
11103:,Female stereotypes in religious traditions By Ria Kloppenborg p.93
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Thanks to everyone for their contributions here, and happy editing.
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Hello everybody here. User Ibn Kathir, the idiot you were searching
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Aisha cursed his brother, Muhammad ibn Abubakr, for killing Uthman.
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Using such structure will increase the quality of our discussion.--
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Aisha cursed his brother, Muhammad ibn Abubakr, for killing Uthman.
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Using such structure will increase the quality of our discussion.--
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I just meant that you need to just check it. Sorry for any offence.
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I have restored text with some tweaking and many more references.--
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If anyone wants to revert my edit, please make sure there is a new
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Are my explanations enough? Is there any dark or unclear point? --
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Are my explanations enough? Is there any dark or unclear point? --
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Hey Ali! thanks for the links. My question to other editors, is
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Hey Ali! thanks for the links. My question to other editors, is
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http://www.islamforamal.com/Home/additonal-information/caliphate
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R.V.C. Bodley, The Messenger â the Life of Mohammed, pgs. 348â9.
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Once there is consensus, the text will be added to the article.
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The wives of the Prophet By Bint Al-Shati, D. Nicholas Ranson
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The wives of the Prophet By Bint Al-Shati, D. Nicholas Ranson
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Dear HelloAnnyong (( why Reverted my edit Please in light ))
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CHAPTER XXXIV, REBELLION AT AL-BASRA, 36 A.H. / 656 A.D.,
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Vol.8, p.59) have reported this; maybe we can reword it.--
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CHAPTER XXXIV, REBELLION AT AL-BASRA, 36 A.H. / 656 A.D.,
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The section needs to be reworded, especilly its beggining
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Vol.8, p.59) have reported this; maybe we can reword it.--
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Lisan al Arab, Volume 11 Chapter "Lughuth Nathal" page 670
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I reported two important occassions. Are they clear?--
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I reported two important occassions. Are they clear?--
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and it doesn't have pages missing like google books.--
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Till then we can put a tag saying it is fringe theory.
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Aisha hate and jealousy twords other Muhammad's wives
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Payambar, the messenger, Volume 3, Zahra Trust, 1982
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I agree with the new intro, it is factually correct.
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I am going to start, and hope others to join soon.--
11100:,The Qur'an: an encyclopedia By Oliver Leaman, p.23
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Let's discuss in the section of battle of Bassorah.
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I am going to start, and hope others to join soon.--
7192:,The Qur'an: an encyclopedia By Oliver Leaman, p.23
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2155:Tarikh Mukhtasar al-Duwal, by Ibn Al-Ebrei, v1 p55
112:age of Madam Aishah at her time of marriage was 19
11497:I shall be adding some details about Aishah from
7589:I shall be adding some details about Aishah from
4911:. So does this reference qualifies as source for
2643:writings, she is often referred to by the title "
2131:Ansab al Ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, part 1, v4, p75
1383:Both these sources are entirely shia by the way.
9349:This is an interesting point. Our article about
5441:This is an interesting point. Our article about
929:of the third Caliphate, Uthman ibn Affan. Aisha
11545:Ok Thanks you have made it easy for me then. -
11081:The occasion of the verse which gave the title
7637:Ok Thanks you have made it easy for me then. -
7173:The occasion of the verse which gave the title
4976:Of course, other editors may have other views.
4784:http://www.scribd.com/doc/2404356/Age-of-Aishah
2167:Al-Razi records in Al-Mahsol, Volume 4 page 343
1705:word, now I'm really starting to feel insulted.
12043:The city is also known as Basra and Al-Basra;
11170:'s share of inheritance upon Muhammad's death.
10746:section, may be we can have sub-section (like
10107:Following is the analysis of this sub-section:
9984:. If more source is needed, just write here.--
9533:Following is the analysis of this sub-section:
8135:The city is also known as Basra and Al-Basra;
7262:'s share of inheritance upon Muhammad's death.
6838:section, may be we can have sub-section (like
6199:Following is the analysis of this sub-section:
6076:. If more source is needed, just write here.--
5625:Following is the analysis of this sub-section:
4907:appropriate reference for this article? It is
4469:The problem now is that you've added a lot of
414:When you look at the age of marriage writings
12441:"Sunni scholar X reported Y about so-and-so."
12286:Don't use Westerns sources, now s/he insists,
11923:"Sunni scholar X reported Y about so-and-so."
8533:"Sunni scholar X reported Y about so-and-so."
8378:Don't use Westerns sources, now s/he insists,
8015:"Sunni scholar X reported Y about so-and-so."
3905:All the above points demonstrate it violates
3781:I have added a word to the introduction btw.
3488:followed by confirmation and encouragement.--
2181:In Tareekh Kamil Volume 3 page 100 Ibn Atheer
2161:Ibn Qutayba in his book Al-Imama wa al-Siyasa
2140:Qamus, page 500 "lughut Nathal" by Firozabadi
1949:i want the following removed as it is dubious
707:http://en.wikipedia.org/Shi%27a_view_of_Aisha
11913:policy is our primary guide in this effort.
11355:combination that hopefully will count as RS.
8005:policy is our primary guide in this effort.
7447:combination that hopefully will count as RS.
3853:is not the founder, nor an Emir, not even a
2164:Ibn Atheer in âAl-Nahayahâ, Volume 5 page 80
1630:(actually, politically and metamorphically),
425:claim otherwise. The Islamic scholar quoted
174:You're not getting this. That site is not a
170:(Khurram Zaid 05:49, 8 November 2009 (UTC))
11179:Uthman's public cursing of Aisha and Hafsa.
11151:Aisha accused Maria the Coptic to adultery.
7271:Uthman's public cursing of Aisha and Hafsa.
7243:Aisha accused Maria the Coptic to adultery.
2173:Tarikh Mukhtasar al-Duwal, Volume 1 page 55
12573:the center of which is present day riyadh,
11505:the most authentic books considered after
10057:http://www.al-islam.org/lifeprophet/24.htm
8665:the center of which is present day riyadh,
7597:the most authentic books considered after
6149:http://www.al-islam.org/lifeprophet/24.htm
3653:section, and tell me what's its problem.--
1000:Knowledge policy is of balanced view i.e.
9322:http://www.dinsdoc.com/ockley-1-4.htm#375
5414:http://www.dinsdoc.com/ockley-1-4.htm#375
4595:http://www.muslim.org/islam/aisha-age.htm
2840:I have to say that I prefer Doc Tropics'
1626:from the quote it is clear how she did a
1012:that is waht she did apart from reciting
162:19 years old when she took full marriage.
12280:I don't know what Mr K wants s/he says,
8372:I don't know what Mr K wants s/he says,
3881:The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam
2304:Based on usernames, I would say that is
2251:Summary of accounts can also be find at
12092:and I don't know what's the source for
10116:Aisha's father becomes the first caliph
8992:many different time zones. Finally, WP
8184:and I don't know what's the source for
6208:Aisha's father becomes the first caliph
5084:many different time zones. Finally, WP
3389:OK, just a quick review on the basics:
2609:welcomed to join. Thanks in advance. --
2429:as I have repeated many times for you,
2152:Al-Imama wa al-Siyasa, Volume 1 page 52
2128:Sharh Ibn Abi al Hadid, v16, pp 220-223
2113:Ansab al-Ashraf, Volume 6 pages 192â193
14:
13000:Seerath al Halabiyya Volume 3 page 356
12283:Don't use Shia sources, then s/he says
10283:which is definitely a reliable source.
9371:So we have three independent sources:
8375:Don't use Shia sources, then s/he says
6375:which is definitely a reliable source.
5463:So we have three independent sources:
4900:acceptable reference for this article?
4477:. For this reason Knowledge relies on
3742:Thanks for the warning. The text that
2576:Once Muhammad dreamed that Aisha .....
2529:. Is there any disagreement with this
2215:Seerath al Halabiyya Volume 3 page 356
2089:In time of last days of Uthman's reign
931:believed Uthman had become an apostate
855:Discussion on age of Aisha at marriage
44:Do not edit the contents of this page.
12786:much more valuable to pay heed to. -
11043:.) She was also hater and jealous of
10744:Her respect as scholar and role model
10709:Her respect as scholar and role model
10372:Her respect as scholar and role model
8878:much more valuable to pay heed to. -
7135:.) She was also hater and jealous of
6836:Her respect as scholar and role model
6801:Her respect as scholar and role model
6464:Her respect as scholar and role model
4886:OK, I understood you are waiting for
4183:confirms that in previous section).--
3818:Undue weight for Maulana Muhammad Ali
3651:Her respect as scholar and role model
3190:comparison with another article like
1688:"do not display your finery like the
106:Aishah's age was 19 at marriage time.
12427:
12122:(Jang = Battle, Jamal = Camel); and
11842:My comments where not aimed at you.
9355:originally regarded as authoritative
8519:
8214:(Jang = Battle, Jamal = Camel); and
7934:My comments where not aimed at you.
5447:originally regarded as authoritative
2329:really isn't a reliable source (see
2199:History of Tabari Volume 16 page 39
1757:To put it bluntly unless you have a
1634:disdain for women on the battlefield
1506:and God apprised him therefore, ...
1455:who used to tell hadiths of Prophet
433:which is an heterodox fringe group.
25:
9611:Do we have any verifiable source?--
5703:Do we have any verifiable source?--
4076:IMO Muhammad Ali's view qualifies
1496:; ..." (Surah al-Ahzab, Ayat 32-33)
887:Aysha at least 15-16 years of age.
146:Some thought-provoking suggestions:
23:
12924:Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3453
12639:understood what the prophet meant.
12069:Would you believe we already have
11447:sunni sciences & methodologies
10804:During Abu Bakr and Umar caliphate
9636:Not now, but I will try to find.--
8731:understood what the prophet meant.
8161:Would you believe we already have
7539:sunni sciences & methodologies
6896:During Abu Bakr and Umar caliphate
5728:Not now, but I will try to find.--
4829:Unsourced & illsourced content
4442:like blogs and personal websites.
3900:List of modern-day Muslim scholars
3758:and can be properly attributed to
2190:Tabaqat al Kubra, Volume 3 page 82
2187:al-Iqd al-Fareed, Volume 2 page 91
24:
13037:
12436:not determined by general factors
11918:not determined by general factors
11248:Thank you Mohammad; According to
8528:not determined by general factors
8010:not determined by general factors
7340:Thank you Mohammad; According to
3699:New deletion spree in coming days
3534:sure, if I add a sentence to the
1666:And don't you know about Prophet
1459:incited a rebel against Imam Ali
11189:That Aisha considered the title
9548:Aisha was initially betrothed...
7281:That Aisha considered the title
5640:Aisha was initially betrothed...
4996:archive.org reference, is about
2193:Iqd al Fareed, Volume 2 page 210
1793:to show some prrofs and when He
1624:Tarikh Kamil, Volume 3, Page 100
592:
554:Aisha as "last wife" of Muhammad
29:
13017:
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12993:
12982:
12971:
12958:
12290:stop quoting from sunni sources
11443:no Shia sources on this article
10752:event of goat eating two verses
8382:stop quoting from sunni sources
7535:no Shia sources on this article
6844:event of goat eating two verses
4998:Turkish sultans and their harem
3869:Mirza Ghulam Ahmad bibliography
3826:addition, for several reasons;
3395:to the main body of the article
3181:Then, the same action was done
2572:Once Muhammad said Aisha is....
2327:http://www.answering-ansar.org/
2014:Alright, here are my thoughts.
1670:caution/warning to Aisha about
1376:considedered destined to hell.
12947:
12936:
12927:
12918:
12909:
12896:
12891:Mohammed and the Rise of Islam
12883:
12870:
12859:
4166:Higher age content restoration
3704:minority view this is against
2158:Al-Mahsol, by al-Razi, v4 p343
2119:History of Ibn Athir, v3, p206
2042:generosity, so it should stay.
2023:Mohammed and the Rise of Islam
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490:@ HelloAnnyong from Adder word
336:Knowledge:No original research
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10053:Ibn Ishaq's Sirah Rasul Allah
9933:http://www.light-of-life.com/
9595:The book of The Major Classes
8939:01:12, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
7406:01:19, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
6145:Ibn Ishaq's Sirah Rasul Allah
6025:http://www.light-of-life.com/
5687:The book of The Major Classes
4957:http://www.light-of-life.com/
4898:http://www.light-of-life.com/
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4893:BTW few other observations:
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4711:, the founder. Once again i
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4409:20:31, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
4384:20:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
4358:20:12, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
4306:20:03, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
4281:16:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
4263:16:32, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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3681:22:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
3663:21:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
3641:18:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
3627:18:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
3597:15:40, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
3570:15:03, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
3549:11:07, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
3525:09:43, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
3498:02:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
3466:02:07, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
3450:01:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
3434:01:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
3417:01:51, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
3376:01:23, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
1074:here they are in point form,
938:Who is writing this garbage.
850:18:48, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
817:11:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
782:10:15, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
194:05:53, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
7:
11384:disucssion, but a creating
11324:General related discussions
9974:. Some verifiable sources:
9351:The History of the Saracens
9320:BTW, here is a better link
8956:Analysis of existing matter
7476:disucssion, but a creating
7416:General related discussions
6066:. Some verifiable sources:
5443:The History of the Saracens
5412:BTW, here is a better link
5048:Analysis of existing matter
3979:and musailima for example.
3952:views are more important
3877:does not even mention aisha
2137:Al Nahaya, Volume 5 page 80
1985:she formed a rebellion army
1701:And please stop using that
1690:displaying of the ignorance
750:01:05, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
725:21:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
548:14:15, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
529:13:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
504:05:21, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
440:removed it. Any feedback?
182:. Stop adding this text. â
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11293:limited or no capacity. --
11226:Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider
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9124:Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider
9080:Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider
9021:Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider
8969:Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider
8962:discussion & consensus
8922:Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider
8571:Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider
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5061:Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider
5054:discussion & consensus
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3945:views are more important.
3924:views are more important.
3837:Giving such prominence to
3754:, it is not necessarily a
3744:Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider
3720:Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider
3508:Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider
3201:These two users mentioned
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1024:Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider
351:13:20, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
324:12:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
12425:I'll like to quote Doc,
9935:as aelaborated by Doc in
9786:Status as "favorite wife"
8951:General review of article
8517:I'll like to quote Doc,
6027:as aelaborated by Doc in
5878:Status as "favorite wife"
5043:General review of article
3938:views are more important
3931:views are more important
3871:books even mention Aisha.
2836:More issues with the lead
2525:Finally, I am repeating,
2125:al Iqd al Farid, v4, p290
927:She was a strict opponent
467:22:19, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
450:21:15, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
251:The Death of Hazrat Aisha
13012:The Great Arab Conquests
12902:Muhammad Husayn Haykal,
11445:. Shia do not adhere to
10051:, the subsection quotes
9820:I have this to be added:
9264:Another verifiable ref.
7537:. Shia do not adhere to
6143:, the subsection quotes
5912:I have this to be added:
5356:Another verifiable ref.
3221:each time by a new title
2867:qualified sunni mujtahid
2694:) and cannot be used. â
2122:Lisan al Arab, v14, p141
1470:'Kill Nathal, this Jew'
789:Islam abolished adoption
481:02:55, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
405:11:56, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
377:11:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
244:11:26, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
217:22:13, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
139:11:49, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
11191:mother of the believers
11083:Mother of the believers
10882:During Uthman caliphate
9552:marriage was delayed...
9247:It's easily verifiable:
7283:mother of the believers
7175:Mother of the believers
6974:During Uthman caliphate
5644:marriage was delayed...
5339:It's easily verifiable:
5000:, Turkish Sultan means
4597:this link also tackles
3913:Several larger islamic
2645:Mother of the Believers
2624:Introduction Discussion
1534:, if these guys are so
155:Ruqaiyyah Waris Maqsood
11969:library book/resources
11809:This is what I get, a
10944:Aisha-Muhammad-Khadija
10600:Addition of new matter
10535:tag and few text with
9853:Accusation of adultery
9542:the opening of section
9074:marriage to her fiance
9070:migration to Abyssinia
8061:library book/resources
7901:This is what I get, a
7036:Aisha-Muhammad-Khadija
6692:Addition of new matter
6627:tag and few text with
5945:Accusation of adultery
5634:the opening of section
5166:marriage to her fiance
5162:migration to Abyssinia
3889:does not mention aisha
3883:does not mention aisha
3867:None of the dozens of
3198:from the article body.
3192:Mary (mother of Jesus)
3028:Excellent suggestion!
2799:copyright infringement
2740:copyright infringement
2170:Abul Faraj Ibn al-Ebri
618:Still more OR and such
12445:Also, works like the
12053:Battle of Basra (656)
11928:Also, works like the
11509:as per few people. -
11033:Aisha was jealous of
10994:Aisha was jealous of
10750:) may we can name as
10456:Talk:Aisha#References
10065:preceeding doscussion
9937:preceeding doscussion
9587:Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani
8537:Also, works like the
8145:Battle of Basra (656)
8020:Also, works like the
7601:as per few people. -
7125:Aisha was jealous of
7086:Aisha was jealous of
6842:) may we can name as
6548:Talk:Aisha#References
6157:preceeding doscussion
6029:preceeding doscussion
5679:Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani
4913:Early Islamic History
3907:Neutral point of view
3203:WP:Burden of evidence
2980:"I didn't hear that!"
1672:event of dogs of Hwab
1638:wives of the Prophet
1365:I and his other wives
1020:of Prophet (sawa). --
740:, waits for audience
42:of past discussions.
12904:The Life of Muhammad
12878:The Life of Mohammed
12592:(i.e. from the East)
11095:Mothers of believers
10989:Aisha-Muhammad-Maria
10910:During Ali caliphate
9591:Ibn Sa'd al-Baghdadi
9526:Marriage to Muhammad
8684:(i.e. from the East)
7187:Mothers of believers
7081:Aisha-Muhammad-Maria
7002:During Ali caliphate
5683:Ibn Sa'd al-Baghdadi
5618:Marriage to Muhammad
4483:experts in the field
4216:Maulana Muhammad Ali
4212:with minor tweaking.
3851:Maulana Muhammad Ali
3824:Maulana Muhammad Ali
3822:I have deleted the
2746:isn't acceptable. â
2031:The Life of Muhammad
1542:community at peace).
1519:fringe Shi'a sources
1125:and i will add these
427:Maulana Muhammad Ali
384:Account of her death
12889:D. S. Margoliouth,
12130:which redirects to
10533:verification needed
10273:answering-islam.org
9675:I found, first see
8222:which redirects to
6625:verification needed
6365:answering-islam.org
5767:I found, first see
3875:Barahin-e-Ahmadiyya
3834:view. (see archive)
3477:Knowledge:Consensus
3333:body of the article
2531:peaceful and polite
2435:Sunni view on Aisha
1453:great lady of Islam
12876:Sir William Muir,
12132:Battle of Bassorah
12071:Battle of Bassorah
12039:Battle of Bassorah
11761:great Arab scholar
11441:I got your point,
10887:I wrote something
10199:Battle of Bassorah
9928:Story of the honey
9205:Another reference
8224:Battle of Bassorah
8163:Battle of Bassorah
8131:Battle of Bassorah
7853:great Arab scholar
7533:I got your point,
6979:I wrote something
6291:Battle of Bassorah
6020:Story of the honey
5297:Another reference
4709:Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
4487:personal web pages
4440:unreliable sources
3217:Exactly same edits
3187:by user Cuchullain
3101:burden of evidence
2744:close paraphrasing
2457:not a battleground
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11211:present version
11207:Talk:Aisha/temp
11203:
11122:Further Matters
10920:During Muawiyah
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10784:
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10537:citation needed
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10302:Siege of Uthman
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7214:Further Matters
7012:During Muawiyah
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10101:After Muhammad
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10068:afterwards).--
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5253:section).--
3887:Noor-ul-Haq
3752:apologetics
3183:by user Doc
2664:âPreceding
2426:is now here
1981:In response
1620:two quotes?
1208:âPreceding
894:References
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572:âPreceding
509:I reverted
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12004:CĂșchullain
11904:References
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11216:Good faith
11035:Umm Salama
10460:CĂșchullain
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9442:Early life
9159:Early life
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7308:Good faith
7127:Umm Salama
6552:CĂșchullain
5921:0618771506
5742:Thanks. --
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4000:CĂșchullain
3998:notable.--
3981:Ibn kathir
3977:ridda wars
3898:Here is a
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3785:Ibn kathir
3559:CĂșchullain
3555:repeatedly
3123:CĂșchullain
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3053:CĂșchullain
2903:CĂșchullain
2896:Knowledge
2776:Ibn kathir
2717:Ibn kathir
2670:Ibn kathir
2405:historical
2381:Ibn kathir
1998:Ibn kathir
1944:ok thanks,
1844:Ibn kathir
1763:Ibn kathir
1680:great ones
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496:Adder word
98:Archive 10
18:Talk:Aisha
12542:ideology,
11620:authentic
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11220:go hit it
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11183:jealousy.
11045:Juwayriya
10399:p.152).--
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9554:, etc. --
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7275:jealousy.
7137:Juwayriya
6491:p.152).--
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5646:, etc. --
4888:consensus
4836:reference
4652:Ayatollah
4210:the stuff
4208:Restored
3957:Concensus
3861:movement.
3859:Ahmadiyya
3855:Successor
3839:Ahmadiyya
3748:concensus
3127:consensus
2901:useful.--
2517:Holocaust
2320:WP:WEIGHT
1253:WP:FRINGE
738:Enter CBW
511:this edit
442:Someone65
431:Ahmadiyya
420:all Sunni
365:Danny-ruk
341:Regards,
284:New edits
265:Hassan572
232:Danny-ruk
127:Danny-ruk
90:Archive 7
85:Archive 6
79:Archive 5
73:Archive 4
68:Archive 3
60:Archive 1
13014:, p. 320
12968:, p. 190
12609:the east
12162:to Doc,
12124:Bassorah
12094:Bassorah
11386:POV fork
10497:Phase II
10279:'s work
9979:page 124
8701:the east
8254:to Doc,
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8186:Bassorah
7478:POV fork
6589:Phase II
6371:'s work
6071:page 124
4740:Zaza8675
4521:Muhammad
4236:Zaza8675
4225:and was
3961:Zaza8675
3943:Quranist
3927:- Sunni
3227:intro.--
3051:above.--
2678:contribs
2666:unsigned
2637:Muhammad
2316:contribs
2306:Determom
1759:mujtahid
1692:of yore"
1478:Khadijah
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12751:enough.
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10485:Tropics
10420:Phase I
10415:Cleanup
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4417:exactly
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4021:Tropics
3959:first.
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3677:Tropics
3655:Aliwiki
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2742:. Even
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2641:Islamic
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2492:Tropics
2481:Annyong
2466:Annyong
2439:Aliwiki
2414:Annyong
2401:neutral
2396:WP:PSTS
2340:Annyong
2243:page 53
2239:page 52
2058:Annyong
1934:Annyong
1919:Break 2
1540:fringed
1300:Annyong
1287:WP:LEAD
746:sausage
691:Tropics
674:Annyong
609:Tropics
524:Annyong
462:Annyong
423:hadiths
400:Annyong
189:Annyong
39:archive
12820:In'jil
12447:Qur'an
11930:Qur'an
11507:Quraan
11168:Fatima
10999:child.
10739:freeze
10679:weight
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7091:child.
6831:freeze
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4713:stress
4104:rijaal
3929:Madhab
3440:one.--
3219:, and
2657:hadith
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2370:source
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11073:Title
11052:p.106
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10968:p.138
10950:said:
10861:p.156
10567:Start
9706:p.129
9446:Death
9438:Views
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5538:Death
5530:Views
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3915:sects
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