907:
of achieved results, only intentions. A first-party source can be an ok source for exactly what the source says, but no more than that. In changing the wording from what you wrote, which amounted to "this feature resulted in these benefits" (a claim that can only be verified by sources written considerably after the technology was introduced), to my wording "these benefits are claimed for this feature", I changed it to something that can arguably be supported only by first-party sources. But even that is iffy. We are very wary of using first-party sources as they are very easy to misuse; it is very easy to slip over the line from claims directly supportable by quotations to
785:
quite exhaustively for it. I believe that the most likely accessible medium of such a source will take the form of microfiche film archives of contemporary magazines such as
Consumer Reports. Personally, I have no desire to go to such lengths as spending hours at a microfiche station of a library to source such a minute detail of an obsolete technology, and so it is here that I draw the line and end my efforts. However, if you, dear reader and indefatigable Wikipedian, derive pleasure or fulfillment from such tedious tasks, then by all means please do embark on the search.
1255:, in case the obviousness of this development is still not enough, and because specific figures for this are not to be found (if they were ever gathered, I reckon that they exist now in a forgotten, inaccessible corporate archive, or they have been lost or destroyed), I have decided to leave the subsection without any explicit assertions that this actually occurred in this particular case. I will leave it to the reader to make this connection. Perhaps it is better to leave it in this way, so as to avoid insulting the reader's intelligence.
394:
were intended to be installed in a hole in a recording console, flush or nearly so with the surface, or similarly in a "home stereo console" (just as a turntable would be). The term "tape transport" was also used, this for machines that also lacked even playback preamps, as the preamps of the day sometimes had the necessary high gain inputs and eq for tape heads. This is late 50s/early 60s. The term "cassette deck" didn't occur until they started making them as components to be added to a stereo.
1026:
reliable - industry history is full of mistakes where something that was thought to improve reliability turned out to have a flaw that only was evident after some time had passed. Beyond that, I frankly think the "reliability" claim is impossible to establish to WP standards as there is no way to isolate the variables: Nobody ever built two different models of cassette machine, one using piano keys and mechanical linkages and the other pushbuttons and solenoids, but otherwise identical.
74:
53:
797:
of the remainder of this article, which is neither sourced at all nor consistently couched with careful qualifiers, is yet permitted to stand as-is. If the article as a whole should be held to such lofty requirements, then surely the vast majority should either be thoroughly pockmarked with citation-request tags, or should be immediately deleted with the same ruthlessness as was applied to the subsection in question.
22:
1041:
is completely specious. In the two decks of my experience, any "second" operational key would either be locked out, or would result in disengaging the currently active one, well in time to prevent problems caused by the second key. All with mechanical linkages. The actual advantage of digital logic control + solenoids is to the manufacturer: it was cheaper to make than "logic" implemented in mechanical linkages.
1242:(as defined in the reliable secondary textbook source), and when one considers that the industry-wide application of logic control to mechanisms of all sorts acted to increase performance:cost ratio, then I believe that it should become obvious that logic control did indeed facilitate the addition of several beneficial features. Unfortunately, as I exclaimed and as you freely admitted, providing a
320:"deck" was common throughout the consumer side of the business for a machine without power amplifiers and speakers; if it had those it was a "recorder" (unless of course it could play only, then it was a "player"). There were many permutations: "Cassette deck", "reel to reel tape deck", etc. The terminology seems to persist today even though the product category is now small; see for example
1278:
eventually being relegated to low-end models), is obvious to anyone who knows anything about cassette decks or recorders, but it nonetheless lacks an explicit reference. It is obvious that my obvious is not the same as your obvious. So, a source would be nice. If this could be found, then I believe that this entire saga will be satisfactorily completed. Let me know if you can find one.
1262:);— whereas I believe that the sources I provided do improve the article with respect to the cassette deck's historical development;— and whereas the sources used should be the best available, and I have determined them to be so after much effort:— I maintain that the sources I have provided are absolutely sufficient to satisfy any reasonable requirement of
470:
Walkman story). The Sony employed a weird head layout, with the erase head to the left of the left capstan - this was a dead end. The
Nakamichi layout with separate ("discrete") R and P heads in close proximity persisted in Nakamichi's own designs, but that was it. The most common configuration, with tightly sandwiched R and P heads, is credited to Hitachi
1251:
this to flimsy plastic mechanical stopping arms which could possibly be broken by pressing hard enough, then I maintain that it is obvious that the application of logic control in cassette decks must have facilitated an increased robustness in the history of the development of the cassette deck, or at least a increased the robustness:cost ratio.
372:"Cassette deck" was/is very much *the* accepted term: in fact look closely on the fascia of most of these machines, they are inscribed with brand name, model number and the phrase "cassette deck" or "stereo cassette deck"... overlooking that Nakamichi had 3 machines actually named "Cassette Deck 1", "Cassette Deck 1.5", "Cassette Deck 2"...
1198:, a decision by one editor to ignore rules does not require anybody else to agree. And it is telling that you feel you must cite IAR; it is an admission that you realize you're breaking them. Why don't you try to come up with an alternate wording for your contribution that is more directly supported by the sources you've found?
1033:- but we have that wording and those references already. Claims of "user preference" will similarly be meaningless unless we can find e.g. surveys of users to back them up. Yes, solenoid control was claimed to be more reliable, and looks like it ought to be more reliable - but was it really? That's unproven.
1250:
is virtually impossible. However, when one considers the robustness of logic gates themselves against error due to user input (susceptible to defeat perhaps only by an extremely specific jolt of electricity, or possibly a cosmic ray, both of which are unlikely to result from user error), and compares
1179:
By the way, the most obviously robust transport controls use a mechanical T-handle. Push it left for rewind, right for FF, down for play/record. No possibility of conflicting commands and the movements are transferred very simply to the actual mechanism. Granted, it would be tough to build into a car
824:, etc., was much more lax back then than it is now. But that doesn't mean that late revisions to such articles can be "grandfathered in" and treated with the same lack of attention to sourcing. The period of lax enforcement was one of the reasons WP initially had such a bad reputation for reliability.
432:
Just about every electronics manufacturer had their own name for it. SPSS was
Hitachi's name ("Self Program Search System"). The length of silence between songs on a prerecorded tape was pretty much the same as it was on the corresponding LP, since they were made from the same master tape; I strongly
393:
The above notwithstanding, the term "deck" was in widespread use for reel-to-reel machines with no audio power amps or speakers long before
Philips ever introduced their first portable machines - which were not called "decks". "Tape decks" were called that because they often lacked cabinets too; they
1073:
perspective as one of reliability. Neither of your recent cites do anything for a claim of robustness either. There is nothing about solenoids and levers that inherently implies robustness. After all, a solenoids-and-levers design could be implemented with very flimsy parts. And sometimes have been.
796:
Forgive me, but I must make bold by adding that I find it curious indeed that this small subsection in particular, which has grown to be arguably the best-cited portion of this entire article, should be held to a standard of citation of the utmost, nigh unattainable, rigor; whereas the vast majority
1040:
Incidentally I owned two different "piano key"-operated cassette decks where it was impossible to put the transport into "shouldn't happen" states. The implication that, for example, digital logic control was the only way to make it impossible to engage both rewind and fast forward at the same time
906:
The material that you added on "logic control" was originally completely unsupported. The sources you added are only first-party sources - the inventors and sellers of the technology. And they are contemporaneous with the introduction of the technology they describe; they provide no historical view
492:
should no be addressed per se, but only in conjunction with closed-loop dual capstan transports. A single-capstan cassette mech cannot produce the desired tape tension with three heads (it struggles with two already). So whoever wanted three heads also needed a dual capstan mech, and a dual capstan
151:
Never experienced this problem, or know anyone who it applies to. Maybe it's a regional thing (I imagine some countries would be dustier than others). It's definitely true that the transport mechanisms of some early car decks was pretty crap, some lacked a supply spool, so there was nothing to keep
1135:
Increase in convenience is a further deduction: in the evolution of the state of the art of the cassette deck, the increase in prevalence of logic control meant the increase in prevalence of these user-input fail-safe mechanisms, which led to an overall decrease in the necessity of having to first
788:
Given the wide regard for logic control as being a desirable feature for cassette decks, which I would regard as common-knowledge and which can be readily confirmed by a cursory glance at any hi-fi forum or vlog, I would argue that it would be unlikely in the extreme that these claims of increased
784:
to cassette decks and other hi-fi equipment means that such third-party sources would almost certainly be from the 1970s and 1980s, and are thus unlikely to be available on the
Internet. I would be much impressed if such a source could be found on the web free of charge, as I have already searched
146:
With the mention of tape use in automobiles it should also be mentioned that it was a stupid idea because the machines were always getting buggered by dust. CD players don't have that problem. Anyone should remember how often you would find a tape player in a car and it wouldn't work or there'd be
1466:
I for one think that it's best to keep sincere efforts like this and avoid wholesale reverts or deletions. The latter behaviors make the
Knowledge community appear hostile, aggressive, and generally unwelcome to people who just want to make a decent contribution without going through the labor of
1127:
of mechanical control with logic control increased robustness. From such phrasing and its inclusion in the
History section (which describes the evolution of the cassette deck over time), it is apparent that this "replacement" refers to the industry adoption of logic control. Increased robustness,
469:
Sorry for a very late answer: Concord-Nakam Model Z (later known as
Nakamichi 1000), introduced in the very end of 1972. Next year, a very different Sony TC-177SD. Exact timing may be a tad different (I follow available US sources but Japanese market releases could have happened earlier, cf. the
1467:
learning citation rules, Knowledge's bureaucracy, etc. I say this as someone for whom a disagreement over this very article years ago (in combination with several other experiences) caused me to largely abandon this website for years. One should also remember that these kinds of experiences are
258:
Where did the triangular and square symbols for these buttons come from? What meaning did the words "pause" and "play" have before they were used on cassette decks that made them good names for these keys? "Playing back a recording" wouldn't have meant anything until after audio recording was
285:
The functions certainly existed on r-r decks and recorders but it was during the era of the cassette deck that the symbols - square for stop, right-facing filled-in triangle for play, etc., were standardized. I remember reading that some industry standard organization was involved, but I can't
1277:
This article has a pre-existing claim in the
Origins subsection of History: "Mechanical controls were replaced with electronic push buttons controlling solenoid mechanical actuators, though low cost models would retain mechanical controls." I'd say that this claim (that of mechanical controls
1176:. "But it's an obvious conclusion" - maybe so, but if your deduction is that obvious then you should be able to find a reliable source that echoes it. If you can't find a RS then it probably doesn't belong here. The limits of things we're allowed to "deduce" in WP's voice are very very narrow.
1131:
That robustness increased with the advent of logic control is not only supported by all sources hitherto given, but also by logical deduction: such user-input fail-safe mechanisms with mechanical input needed to be added post-hoc and were not always included; whereas with logic-control, these
1025:
Oh, please. These are merely descriptions of the feature. They don't support the claim of increased reliability (this can only be established after the machines have been out in the installed market for some time), nor of purchaser preference. Don't tell me that the design is "obviously" more
1215:
Claims of convenience are ultimately a matter of opinion. If secondary sources are required for this, and logical deduction or common sense is not allowed, then there can be no claims of convenience. Therefore, I have removed the reference in the section heading alluding to improvements in
1072:
Oh, please, again. Robustness and reliability may not be exactly the same thing, but they are close enough, and you can't dismiss my point by saying "oh, you didn't use the exact word I did therefore your point is invalid." Anyway, a claim of robustness requires the same sort of historical
329:
1216:
convenience. If you find this appropriate, then perhaps this should be done throughout the article. On the other hand, if upon the utilization of one's logical faculties one finds a feature to be obviously convenient, then maybe it should be included without citation (
1036:
Given the disparity between what you are trying to find references for, and the references you have found, I suggest that you don't really understand either the claims you're trying to support or the meaning of the references you've found. Or perhaps you misunderstand
1303:
Formerly (and quite counterintuitively), the article covered all
Compact Cassette recorders and players including boomboxes, shoebox cheapos, densukes etc. This caused quite a confusion at commons, creating half-separate, half-merging category trees of
842:
Knowledge does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it.
896:
is merely an essay. It is not an excuse to wave your arms and say "oh well, everybody knows this, and it's obvious anyway, and I wrote it and trust me I'm really sure about it, and I think it's an important thing to include, so we can ignore
1132:
user-input fail-safe mechanisms were designed to be included from the very inception of logic-control in cassette decks (hence the inclusion of the original patent). Therefore, the adoption of logic-control increased robustness overall.
1323:
However, current en: article lead clearly pronounces the latter meaning ("A cassette deck ... does not have a built-in power amplifier or speakers, and serves primarily as a transport"). Is this a sort of consensus today, or not? What
152:
the tape in tension within the cassette - these were very prone to getting tangled and/or wrapped around the capstan. The article currently doesn't really discuss in-car units, which might even come under a different article.
1168:
Your claims don't make things so. Reliability and robustness are absolutely closely related: If something is not robust, it is less likely to be reliable. You mention "logical deductions" - can you really argue against that
416:
What was the name of the auto next track feature? Wasn't the length of silence between songs patented? That probably deserves a mention here. I remeber it being called sps5 oor something similar on one tape deck I saw.
1180:
stereo faceplate. But a number of pro r-r machines used it, several rugged cassette machines made for e.g. business and educational use, and even a cheap little Craig portable cassette recorder I owned way back when.
1238:. When the addition of logic control to cassette decks is rightfully considered as constituting a small part of the entire history of the ongoing Digital Revolution, specifically as a part of the development of
167:
Does anyone really believe cassettes are sonically superior to CDs and DAT tapes? I have heard many audiophiles extol the virtues of analogue tape, but they were talking about reel-to-reel tape, not cassettes.
513:
The article says that by the late 2000s, the installation of tape decks in cars ceased. If so, what was the last car that had a cassette deck as a standard option and when was it rolled out? Thanks. ---Ransom
1005:
p. 39 last paragraph "The transport controls are fully logic operated through solenoids. Any transport control button can be touched while the machine is running in any mode without risking damage to tape or
1128:
then, is implied to involve the state of the art as a whole, not necessarily on a per-device basis. Thus I have never claimed or implied that mechanical transport control precludes such fail-safe mechanisms.
1094:
Say... if you really want to improve this article, why don't you work on adding references for some of the long-standing uncited stuff? You obviously have the time and the inclination to do the research.
751:
Thanks, but to put something in the article we'll need a better source than a forum post. Forum posts are user-generated content with no editorial oversight - we don't consider those reliable sources. See
1231:. I hope that this avoids any potential misunderstanding. (I will, however, use "robustness" in this talk page for the sake of brevity, and because I have already defined it here on multiple occasions.)
1447:. I think the best way to start dealing with this material is to tag it as unsourced. Editors can work through it to improve it. If no sources are forthcoming, I usually end up thinning considerably. ~
1058:
Robustness!=reliability. Never did I write any claims of reliability. Never did I claim that logic control is the only means to provide robustness. Only ever did I write that robustness was increased.
1355:
because it is unsourced. The section has been marked as unsourced since 2019. We generally don't delete unsourced material unless the content is challenged. Erpert's first deletion rationale was
193:
Some people use them in recording studio chains because the saturation of the magnetic tape serves as a good compressor for drum beats, which they claim can't be duplicated by anything else. —
124:
1412:
in this way but I have not seen community support for this editing pattern of removing longstanding uncited materiel and then demanding other editors supply citations before restoring it. ~
147:
something wrong with it. And I'm not just talking old cars, I mean cars with tape decks only 5 years old or less wouldn't work. How many cars with CD players over 5 years old, still work?
771:
646:
453:
At present, the article for Nakamichi claims *they* were the first... and the article for Technics claims *they* were the first... though neither article cites a source for that claim...
448:
664:
660:
1499:
114:
937:
Your characterization of the difficulty of finding sources for e.g. claims of achieved reliability is well taken - but that's what writing for Knowledge is like. Oh well.
164:"Some audiophiles believe that cassette deck technology, due to its analog nature, provides sound recordings superior to current digital technology, such as CDR and DAT."
1504:
1329:
567:
494:
475:
238:
1044:
I can also tell you that some buyers preferred non-solenoid controls (for the speed of action, particularly in pause/unpause), so user preference was not universal.
741:
459:
380:
213:
519:
90:
1494:
306:
Who comes up with these sappy article titles? I worked as an engineer for four years at a video/data recorder company in the late 1970s and early 1980s, and we
806:
463:
81:
58:
1104:
1234:
As it is a part of the History section, I added a couple of sentences in order to place the addition of logic control within the larger context of the
1320:
proper (lacking built-in amp and speakers). Most interwikis, including this en: article, lean to the former while only the nl: belongs to the latter.
1227:
I see that the use of the term "robustness" from user interface design could be confusing, so I removed it in favor of a more explicit phrase, viz.
502:
483:
1471:
of the dearth of female editors on Knowledge. My suggestion is to avoid the appearance of lording over articles and let this stuff go sometimes.
1297:
242:
1337:
1443:
Sorry if I'm making assumptions based on past experience with other editors who are aggressive in their interpretation and application of
776:
In order that the small subsection on the introduction of "logic control" to cassette decks be freed from the hedged phrasing required by
384:
197:
186:
612:
365:
217:
1143:
My interest here is merely to provide an answer for "what is logic control for?" with what I consider to be sensible and reasonable (
932:- emph. added) But I will tell you that pleas for relaxing the rules for a particular contribution tend to get a very poor reception.
442:
812:
Re your last paragraph, keep in mind that this is a long-standing article, created 15 years ago. It is the case that enforcement of
780:, I kindly request third-party sources on this particular topic. The time-frame of the invention and spread of the application of
765:
712:
403:
571:
550:
1287:
1207:
1189:
1163:
1067:
1053:
1020:
998:
978:
946:
345:
314:
276:
1212:
I have totally reworked the subsection so as to avoid any phrasing that directly asserts that any result was actually obtained.
745:
523:
602:
471:
336:(scroll down a bit for that one)... did you just never talk to your marketing department, or see any of their output, at all?
295:
563:
474:. Again, it all happened almost simultaneously, within a year or two, so the question "who's first" is really unimportant.
301:
234:
172:
1009:
1003:
737:
455:
376:
209:
1082:
789:
reliability and convenience of logic-control would ultimately prove to be incorrect. Thus, by invoking the principle of
426:
1172:
But as for the article content, WP is absolutely not written based on editors' "logical deductions". That's considered
515:
508:
433:
doubt that that could have been "patented," though specific implementations of the search system might well have been.
1359:
so it does not appear that everything is being challenged so everything in the section does not need to be deleted. ~
717:
254:"Cassette players pioneered the modern set of control buttons, play, pause, stop, record, fast forward and rewind. "
202:
Tape in recording studio chains is either 1/2" or 2" tape, not cassette tape. It's a completely different material.
851:
verifiable. All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged,
594:
86:
325:
577:
663:
to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
1480:
1113:
Reliability implies resistance to failure from all causes over time, whereas robustness in this context refers
793:, I argue in this case that these first-party sources can and should stand as a reliable sources on their own.
1333:
498:
479:
227:
Agreed. Is there a citation for this? I haven't met a single person who has cassettes are better than CDs.
707:
33:
1468:
1401:
1136:
press STOP before other inputs; among other examples which may be given. Note that this is not synthesis (
263:
1456:
1438:
1421:
1368:
953:
obtw, there is an amazing repo of archived electronics magazines, both hobby and pro related, including
682:
If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with
593:. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit
422:
159:
613:
https://web.archive.org/web/20081105073059/http://freespace.virgin.net:80/ljmayes.mal/comp/philips.htm
1117:
to the device's resistance to failure from improper user-input, i.e. user-input fail-safe mechanisms.
493:
mech required closed control loop ... leaving very little in common with the original Philips spec.
1352:
1343:
731:
722:
Possibly the last significant development in cassette tape technology (mid 1990's) was the use of
89:
on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
1263:
868:
Not much wiggle room there. And please note that this is not describing, as you characterize it,
698:
411:
667:
before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template
683:
1476:
1283:
1228:
1159:
1063:
1016:
802:
670:
535:
418:
361:
179:
39:
1266:. If after these changes you can find any portion of this subsection which might constitute
690:
637:
616:
603:
https://web.archive.org/web/20090625174438/http://www.davidreaton.com:80/Cassette_Decks.htm
559:
230:
205:
169:
1110:
The difference between robustness and reliability is absolutely central to the issue here.
8:
21:
1235:
847:
material in Knowledge mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions,
649:, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by
310:
called any tape recorders as "decks", either our own or those of other manufacturers. —
1258:
Whereas primary sources are not banned, but if used appropriately can be very useful (
859:
material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed. (emph. added - jeh)
689:
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with
1274:, or which provides inadequate citation for the material put forth, then let me know.
1259:
727:
1472:
1444:
1427:
1409:
1390:
1279:
1155:
1137:
1059:
1012:
893:
798:
790:
357:
321:
311:
1011:
p. 30 User Comment "...the control logic appeared to be as foolproof as claimed."
1267:
735:
590:
249:
606:
1452:
1417:
1379:
We generally don't delete unsourced material unless the content is challenged.
1364:
1221:
1217:
986:
260:
194:
183:
655:. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
1488:
1203:
1195:
1185:
1151:
1144:
1100:
1078:
1049:
994:
974:
942:
917:
885:
821:
761:
586:
546:
438:
399:
341:
291:
153:
1271:
1239:
1173:
921:
908:
817:
753:
1317:
926:"Third opinion (3O) is a means to request an outside opinion in a content
1348:
898:
830:
813:
656:
1150:
I consider your repeated use of the phrase "Oh, please" to be uncivil (
781:
273:
1313:
966:
333:
1448:
1413:
1360:
723:
1199:
1181:
1096:
1074:
1045:
990:
970:
938:
777:
757:
542:
531:
434:
395:
337:
287:
1426:
I'm not "demanding" anything. More importantly, editors interpret
878:
standard with which all Knowledge content is expected to comply.
870:"a standard of citation of the utmost, nigh unattainable, rigor"
855:
include an inline citation that directly supports the material.
1248:
for the particular situation of logic control in cassette decks
178:
Some audiophiles do believe this. Noise reduction systems like
1229:
the minimization of equipment damage upon incorrect user input
73:
52:
1246:
source proving an increase in robustness against user-error
772:
Requesting third-party citation on utility of logic-controls
622:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the
920:. Or perhaps you could ask for a third-party opinion (see
597:
for additional information. I made the following changes:
141:
734:
decks and one standalone cassette deck (Technics RS-AZ7)
449:
So who was the first to introduce machines with 3 heads ?
617:
http://freespace.virgin.net/ljmayes.mal/comp/philips.htm
1029:
We can certainly find references that improvements are
884:
Hi-fi forums and vlogs are self-published sources. See
916:
Perhaps you could argue your case for an exception at
1500:
Mid-importance Professional sound production articles
1408:
I have encountered individual editors who interpret
356:
tape decks in California during the 1960s to 1980s.
85:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
1357:
I agree with most of that, but it was all unsourced
1220:). Such claims go unchallenged on such articles as
659:using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
182:
can even expand dynamic range to near CD quality.--
99:
Knowledge:WikiProject Professional sound production
1505:WikiProject Professional sound production articles
102:Template:WikiProject Professional sound production
1140:), and is further supported by the sources given.
1486:
1495:C-Class Professional sound production articles
1316:for Compact Cassette recorders in general and
645:This message was posted before February 2018.
607:http://www.davidreaton.com/Cassette_Decks.htm
1298:What is, exactly, the scope of the article?
1430:that way because, well, it's a guideline.
585:I have just modified 2 external links on
541:. Feel free to add this to the article. —
82:WikiProject Professional sound production
1147:), and to defend my small contribution.
19:
1487:
105:Professional sound production articles
1353:Cassette deck § Decline in popularity
1123:my phrasing has always been that the
634:to let others know (documentation at
1372:
1154:), so please stop that immediately.
79:This article is within the scope of
15:
967:http://www.americanradiohistory.com
38:It is of interest to the following
13:
14:
1516:
589:. Please take a moment to review
87:sound recording and reproduction
72:
51:
20:
119:This article has been rated as
730:) head technology used on all
1:
1288:10:20, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
1208:20:16, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
1190:19:07, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
1164:18:44, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
1105:17:41, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
1083:17:37, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
1068:16:39, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
1054:09:08, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
1021:07:40, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
999:12:55, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
979:00:59, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
947:21:28, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
807:20:36, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
766:10:53, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
746:10:14, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
713:17:19, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
488:That said, the whole case of
443:06:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
404:05:58, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
366:17:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
346:17:41, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
315:16:44, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
296:17:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
243:17:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
218:19:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
96:Professional sound production
93:and see a list of open tasks.
59:Professional sound production
1338:12:42, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
911:stated in Knowledge's voice.
464:13:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
385:13:42, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
302:Deck? What the hell is that?
277:11:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
264:12:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
198:12:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
7:
572:22:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
503:21:34, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
484:21:34, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
187:22:16, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
173:01:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
10:
1521:
1328:the scope of the article?
676:(last update: 5 June 2024)
582:Hello fellow Wikipedians,
509:Last car with a tape deck?
427:19:37, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
125:project's importance scale
1481:03:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
1457:16:02, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
1439:15:29, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
1422:12:59, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
1402:19:24, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
1369:13:23, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
969:. You could check there.
718:Thin film head technology
551:02:36, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
524:17:09, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
118:
67:
46:
1312:. At wikidata, there is
928:or sourcing disagreement
272:From reel to reel decks
578:External links modified
352:We called them nothing
861:
28:This article is rated
1344:Decline in popularity
930:between two editors."
840:
536:recent report in the
657:regular verification
286:remember which one.
1330:Retired electrician
874:This is merely the
647:After February 2018
626:parameter below to
495:Retired electrician
476:Retired electrician
322:J&R Music World
1351:proposes deleting
1236:Digital Revolution
701:InternetArchiveBot
652:InternetArchiveBot
160:Analog golden ears
34:content assessment
1437:
1400:
1386:
1385:
1174:original research
829:From the lede of
677:
562:comment added by
556:thats not write
534:, according to a
245:
233:comment added by
220:
208:comment added by
139:
138:
135:
134:
131:
130:
1512:
1436:
1434:
1399:
1397:
1373:
1264:WP:Verifiability
728:Magnetoresistive
711:
702:
675:
674:
653:
641:
574:
419:Betterthanalemur
228:
203:
107:
106:
103:
100:
97:
76:
69:
68:
63:
55:
48:
47:
31:
25:
24:
16:
1520:
1519:
1515:
1514:
1513:
1511:
1510:
1509:
1485:
1484:
1432:
1395:
1346:
1300:
1121:Important note:
774:
720:
705:
700:
668:
661:have permission
651:
635:
595:this simple FaQ
580:
557:
511:
451:
414:
412:Auto Next Track
304:
252:
170:AdorableRuffian
162:
144:
104:
101:
98:
95:
94:
61:
32:on Knowledge's
29:
12:
11:
5:
1518:
1508:
1507:
1502:
1497:
1464:
1463:
1462:
1461:
1460:
1459:
1405:
1404:
1384:
1383:
1380:
1377:
1345:
1342:
1341:
1340:
1321:
1299:
1296:
1295:
1294:
1293:
1292:
1291:
1290:
1275:
1256:
1232:
1225:
1222:Remote control
1213:
1192:
1177:
1170:
1148:
1141:
1133:
1129:
1118:
1111:
1092:
1091:
1090:
1089:
1088:
1087:
1086:
1085:
1070:
1042:
1038:
1034:
1027:
1007:
982:
981:
950:
949:
934:
933:
913:
912:
903:
902:
890:
889:
881:
880:
865:
864:
863:
862:
835:
834:
826:
825:
773:
770:
769:
768:
719:
716:
695:
694:
687:
620:
619:
611:Added archive
609:
601:Added archive
579:
576:
564:76.202.143.118
554:
553:
538:New York Times
510:
507:
506:
505:
486:
454:
450:
447:
446:
445:
413:
410:
409:
408:
407:
406:
388:
387:
374:
373:
369:
368:
349:
348:
303:
300:
299:
298:
282:
281:
280:
279:
267:
266:
251:
248:
247:
246:
235:72.237.163.118
224:
223:
222:
221:
190:
189:
161:
158:
157:
156:
143:
140:
137:
136:
133:
132:
129:
128:
121:Mid-importance
117:
111:
110:
108:
91:the discussion
77:
65:
64:
62:Mid‑importance
56:
44:
43:
37:
26:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
1517:
1506:
1503:
1501:
1498:
1496:
1493:
1492:
1490:
1483:
1482:
1478:
1474:
1470:
1469:large drivers
1458:
1454:
1450:
1446:
1442:
1441:
1440:
1435:
1429:
1425:
1424:
1423:
1419:
1415:
1411:
1407:
1406:
1403:
1398:
1392:
1388:
1387:
1381:
1378:
1375:
1374:
1371:
1370:
1366:
1362:
1358:
1354:
1350:
1339:
1335:
1331:
1327:
1322:
1319:
1318:cassette deck
1315:
1314:cassette deck
1311:
1307:
1302:
1301:
1289:
1285:
1281:
1276:
1273:
1269:
1265:
1261:
1257:
1254:
1249:
1245:
1241:
1237:
1233:
1230:
1226:
1223:
1219:
1214:
1211:
1210:
1209:
1205:
1201:
1197:
1193:
1191:
1187:
1183:
1178:
1175:
1171:
1167:
1166:
1165:
1161:
1157:
1153:
1149:
1146:
1142:
1139:
1134:
1130:
1126:
1122:
1119:
1116:
1112:
1109:
1108:
1107:
1106:
1102:
1098:
1084:
1080:
1076:
1071:
1069:
1065:
1061:
1057:
1056:
1055:
1051:
1047:
1043:
1039:
1035:
1032:
1028:
1024:
1023:
1022:
1018:
1014:
1010:
1008:
1004:
1002:
1001:
1000:
996:
992:
988:
984:
983:
980:
976:
972:
968:
964:
963:Stereo Review
960:
959:High Fidelity
956:
952:
951:
948:
944:
940:
936:
935:
931:
929:
923:
919:
915:
914:
910:
905:
904:
900:
895:
892:
891:
887:
883:
882:
879:
875:
871:
867:
866:
860:
858:
854:
850:
846:
839:
838:
837:
836:
832:
828:
827:
823:
819:
815:
811:
810:
809:
808:
804:
800:
794:
792:
786:
783:
782:logic control
779:
767:
763:
759:
755:
750:
749:
748:
747:
743:
739:
738:86.166.75.243
736:
733:
729:
725:
715:
714:
709:
704:
703:
692:
688:
685:
681:
680:
679:
672:
666:
662:
658:
654:
648:
643:
639:
633:
629:
625:
618:
614:
610:
608:
604:
600:
599:
598:
596:
592:
588:
587:Cassette deck
583:
575:
573:
569:
565:
561:
552:
548:
544:
540:
539:
533:
529:
528:
527:
525:
521:
517:
504:
500:
496:
491:
487:
485:
481:
477:
473:
468:
467:
466:
465:
461:
457:
456:86.25.121.157
444:
440:
436:
431:
430:
429:
428:
424:
420:
405:
401:
397:
392:
391:
390:
389:
386:
382:
378:
377:86.25.121.157
375:
371:
370:
367:
363:
359:
355:
351:
350:
347:
343:
339:
335:
331:
327:
323:
319:
318:
317:
316:
313:
309:
297:
293:
289:
284:
283:
278:
275:
271:
270:
269:
268:
265:
262:
257:
256:
255:
244:
240:
236:
232:
226:
225:
219:
215:
211:
210:72.237.162.37
207:
201:
200:
199:
196:
192:
191:
188:
185:
181:
177:
176:
175:
174:
171:
165:
155:
150:
149:
148:
126:
122:
116:
113:
112:
109:
92:
88:
84:
83:
78:
75:
71:
70:
66:
60:
57:
54:
50:
49:
45:
41:
35:
27:
23:
18:
17:
1465:
1431:
1394:
1356:
1347:
1325:
1309:
1305:
1252:
1247:
1243:
1240:Mechatronics
1124:
1120:
1115:specifically
1114:
1093:
1030:
962:
958:
954:
927:
925:
877:
873:
869:
856:
852:
848:
844:
841:
795:
787:
775:
721:
699:
696:
671:source check
650:
644:
631:
627:
623:
621:
584:
581:
558:— Preceding
555:
537:
532:Lexus SC 430
516:67.91.216.67
512:
489:
452:
415:
353:
307:
305:
259:invented. —
253:
166:
163:
145:
120:
80:
40:WikiProjects
1473:BirdValiant
1280:BirdValiant
1156:BirdValiant
1125:replacement
1060:BirdValiant
1013:BirdValiant
799:BirdValiant
638:Sourcecheck
490:three heads
358:Binksternet
326:Crutchfield
312:Quicksilver
229:—Preceding
204:—Preceding
1489:Categories
1391:yes, we do
1260:WP:WPNOTRS
708:Report bug
1445:WP:BURDEN
1428:WP:BURDEN
1410:WP:BURDON
1306:recorders
1244:secondary
1138:WP:SYNNOT
985:See also
961:(but not
894:WP:COMMON
791:WP:COMMON
724:thin film
691:this tool
684:this tool
530:The 2010
261:Omegatron
195:Omegatron
184:Blainster
1268:WP:SYNTH
876:ordinary
778:User:Jeh
697:Cheers.—
560:unsigned
231:unsigned
206:unsigned
142:Untitled
1218:WP:BLUE
1194:As for
1031:claimed
987:WP:NORN
849:must be
624:checked
591:my edit
250:Symbols
123:on the
30:C-class
1433:Erpert
1396:Erpert
1349:Erpert
1196:WP:IAR
1152:WP:CIV
1145:WP:IAR
1006:deck."
965:), at
918:WP:RSN
886:WP:SPS
822:WP:NOR
632:failed
154:Graham
36:scale.
1389:Uh...
1310:decks
1272:WP:OR
1253:Still
1037:both.
955:Audio
922:WP:3O
909:WP:OR
818:WP:RS
754:WP:RS
334:Denon
308:never
274:Tabby
1477:talk
1453:talk
1449:Kvng
1418:talk
1414:Kvng
1365:talk
1361:Kvng
1334:talk
1308:and
1284:talk
1204:talk
1186:talk
1169:one?
1160:talk
1101:talk
1079:talk
1064:talk
1050:talk
1017:talk
995:talk
975:talk
957:and
943:talk
924:). (
899:WP:V
853:must
831:WP:V
814:WP:V
803:talk
762:talk
742:talk
628:true
568:talk
547:talk
520:talk
499:talk
480:talk
472:p.28
460:talk
439:talk
423:talk
400:talk
381:talk
362:talk
342:talk
330:Sony
292:talk
239:talk
214:talk
1200:Jeh
1182:Jeh
1097:Jeh
1075:Jeh
1046:Jeh
991:Jeh
971:Jeh
939:Jeh
857:Any
845:All
758:Jeh
732:DCC
665:RfC
642:).
630:or
615:to
605:to
543:mjb
514:(--
435:Jeh
396:Jeh
354:but
338:Jeh
288:Jeh
180:dbx
115:Mid
1491::
1479:)
1455:)
1420:)
1393:.
1382:”
1376:“
1367:)
1336:)
1326:is
1286:)
1270:,
1206:)
1188:)
1162:)
1103:)
1081:)
1066:)
1052:)
1019:)
997:)
989:.
977:)
945:)
901:".
872:.
820:,
816:,
805:)
764:)
756:.
744:)
678:.
673:}}
669:{{
640:}}
636:{{
570:)
549:)
526:)
522:)
501:)
482:)
462:)
441:)
425:)
402:)
383:)
364:)
344:)
332:,
328:,
324:,
294:)
241:)
216:)
1475:(
1451:(
1416:(
1363:(
1332:(
1282:(
1224:.
1202:(
1184:(
1158:(
1099:(
1077:(
1062:(
1048:(
1015:(
993:(
973:(
941:(
888:.
833::
801:(
760:(
740:(
726:(
710:)
706:(
693:.
686:.
566:(
545:(
518:(
497:(
478:(
458:(
437:(
421:(
398:(
379:(
360:(
340:(
290:(
237:(
212:(
127:.
42::
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.
