Talk:Common starling

719:'European starlings have a way of appearing in unexpected places — the United States, for example, where they are not native but owe their origin to a brief reference in Shakespeare’s “Henry IV, Part 1.” In 1890, a drug manufacturer who wanted every bird found in Shakespeare to live in America released 60 starlings in Central Park. After spending a few years nesting modestly under the eaves of the American Museum of Natural History, they went from a poetic fancy to a menacing majority; there are now upward of 200 million birds across North America, where they thrive at the expense of other cavity nesters like bluebirds and woodpeckers, eat an abundance of grain — as well as harmful insects — and occasionally bring down airplanes.' Flight Patterns, By JONATHAN ROSEN, NYT April 22, 2007 2291: 134: 32: 125: 188: 167: 317: 65: 1205:@Kurt, we are still building the article, so apart from adding parasites, we haven't really checked yet what else is needed. The current "In culture" text largely concerns tame birds and would lead naturally into pets assuming that we can find FA standard sources (haven't checked yours yet). Currently we are still trying to sort out the existing material, but I'm sure there's enough out there to justify the addition. 198: 3381:

Starling" is mostly used in North America whereas "Common Starling" is used in Australia, New Zealand and Europe. On a quick search I'm not totally sure what name is used in South Africa or by English-speakers in South America. So long story short either name is acceptable on Knowledge and there is no particular reason to change from the existing "Common Starling" for this article title.

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realise that you are creating references in a format that I had been told not to use. In particular, I was told that the use of "coauthors" was deprecated and should be replaced by "last1, first1, last2, first2" etc. I also noticed you were not adding dois, jstor etc. Perhaps you intended to do it later?

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It's clear that for various reasons there are control programmes on some populations. My thinking is that it would be neater to group these altogether under Status (subsection?) especially as not all the affected areas are introductions (Azores at least). Otherwise it will look bitty with the various

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I've reffed the Fair Isle stuff now, and removed the Svennson and CD-ROM refs. This leaves a couple of other sentences unreffed, but it's straightforward stuff that can doubtless be sourced to one or other of the Feare sources when we get that far. Speaking of which, the pdf mentions introductions to

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I'm not seeing what you are seeing with the table. When we have a proper lead, it will push it down anyway. We need to rationalise the images at some stage, so why not remove the offending images for now, or set up a temporary gallery until the text is nearly complete and we can position them better?

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So far I've not added any new web refs (I think) so I'm happy to go with you on that. Of the sections I've been working on, "Predators and parasites" is fully reffed, doesn't need much more text, "In culture" is fully reffed but needs expansion, "Taxonomy" probably has enough text. If we can't source

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I have a pet starling but whenever I add something on them being pets it get deleted I might be wording it incorectly. So could someone create it a good site is www.starlingtalk.com. Also I think I could supply a good picture. Also there talking abilities (better than African Greys) isnt realy talked

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I think that the comment that Starlings are omnivorous is not accurate enough. Starlings may eat everything at some point in time but they seem to prefer insects to anything else...many a time I have watched Starlings completely ignore starchy food-sources to focus exclusively on protein-rich insect

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Tell me about it! Yet I can't resist a peek. I've churned up "Status" a bit. One of the references was to Holloway's book which lacked a page range, and I guess neither of us is likely to have. It's a bird history of Britain, so the text was very UK-centric. I've also made it more chronological, but

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The figure of 140-150 million birds you mentioned ifor North America is half my total population of 310 million! All these figures are estimates and are made at different dates and it is unsurprising that there are inconsistencies. The 310 million figure is referenced to (Rich et al. 2004), a source

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My dad told me about how the Starlings are taking over and threatening local bird populations. He said that they lay an egg in another bird's nest. The mother bird takes care of it until it hatches. The baby bird drives out/kills the other babies, but the mother bird continues to take care of the

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Why do people keep reverting the sentence mentioning central america. I changed it to north american border because its confusing to mention central america in a section about north america. If you want to mention central america write a seperate article or make it clear that you mean the border if

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The breeding section states that after 6 days the adults cease removing droppings. This seems to be incompatible with the statement at the end of the paragraph that "the nest is kept clean and the chicks' faecal sacs are removed by the adults." I'm confused. Are the faecal sacs only removed for the

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That's a good question. I've added a source which says "introduced", which deals with that specific issue, but I'm not sure if the sources actually always distinguish between deliberate introduction (like the US) and ship-borne self-introduction. The sources aren't always clear either. One made the

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states "Although health risks from birds are often exaggerated, large populations of roosting starlings may present risks of disease to people nearby. The most serious health risks are from disease organisms growing in accumulations of starling droppings, feathers, and debris under a roost. This is

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I live in New York City and despite this I have a keen interest in wildlife. Starlings are fairly common around here and as I read up on them I came to a question: If the UK is losing its starling population, and the U.S. has too many, then why not round up a large amount of them and send them back

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My inclination is lower case "starling" too. It's WikiProject Birds which states "The common name of a species is always capitalised to differentiate it from more general terms. The phrase "in Australia there are many Common Starlings" indicates a large number of Sturnus vulgaris. In contrast, the

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I didn't know there was a clever bot that could add dois etc. As for the other thing, if someone says that something should be done one way rather than another, I usually accept it because I know I am relatively inexperienced and they are likely to be right. I will carry on looking at the refs in

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There are currently several dating methods used in the article for the retrieval of information. I favour "Retrieved 2012-12-30." which is what results from using cite web "accessed=2012-12-30". Any views? There is quite a bit of work needed on the referencing. By the way, the subspecies table is

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Having tried unsuccessfully to trap the starlings in ourarea, I concur with Cazort, although of course this is OR. My observations over nearly 40 years suggest that starlings are omnivorous most of the time. However, when they are parents and feeding young, they bring them exclusively insects, as

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Well, it's reffed to Feare, so hardly a biased source. I think it's a particular problem with the starling because not only does it form huge roosts, but does so in urban areas. If you think I've expressed it badly, please tweak as you think fit. I'm a bit wary about not mentioning it, since an

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Under "parasites" I've also included a couple of diseases that affect starlings. They have also been implicated in the US in spreading diseases to farm animals, my feeling is that is best left under the Introductions. What about histoplasmosis, currently under parasites, could be in NAm though?

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Knowledge policy is not to put much stock in "official" names, instead using names that are in common usage. For birds, article titles mostly are standardised to the IOC bird list (which uses Common Starling) although there are plenty of exceptions. For this species, the English name "European

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In the small number of FACs that I have been involved in, great emphasis seems to be placed on correctly formatted references. I have just been reformatting references from different sections including Predators and Parasites. I had thought I was dealing with "prehistoric" references but I now

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commented on that usage. It's important that the references look consistent, but afaik the only prohibition is mixing cite/citation template sets. It's perfectly acceptable not to use templates at all, but that makes errors and inconsistencies more likely. If you look at the first text

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Or wring its neck, blanch it and pull the feathers, then cook it for a snack. This is an encyclopedia article, not a place to post tips on how to harbor and capture an invasive species. That said, if you wish to record audio of the bird calls and upload them, they'd be welcome for the

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You're welcome! Some more specific information on the bird's advance across America would be good. We have not yet discussed content much but have been going about improving the article piecemeal. Culture/myth/legend is not my favourite pastime but I did add a bit about Mozart!

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This page desperately needs a vocalizations section! There's hardly anything said about these on this page, and it's one of the most interesting and important aspects of this species, and relates to virtually all the different sections, and has been studied extensively.

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How nice to see waxwings. I saw a gathering of hundreds of starlings today, the biggest "murmuration" I had seen all winter. And I had a near miss when driving and glancing sidewards at a flock of about 100 geese. Bird watching and driving don't really mix.

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mentions that there is an iris colour difference which separated the sexes in about 98% of studied cases. The article however does not describe the specific colour difference though, perhaps it is available in the references mentioned (not available to me)

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The article is massively overlinked, but no point running the script until we are nearly finished. We do need to decide at some stage whether to link countries or not. My preference is to follow FAC practice and not link, but I don't much mind either way

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obviously incorrect claim that starlings colonised Florida from the Bahamas, contradicting all other sources, and there is some vagueness about Jamaica. The birds arrived by ship, but some sources call this an introduction, others natural colonisation.

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I've taken out the pov from problems, also taken out unverified or unverifiable problems, will replace those I can find sources for. Population of birds in US is 140 million or 150 million (both RS sourced) choose one or put 140–150 with both refs?

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I've removed some repetitive or low quality images, added a mite and a tune, removed forced image sizes and right-aligned for now. feel free to revert anything you don't like. There's room for more images, nice if they are not all starlings (:

1743:@Cwmhiraeth, yes, it needed that to give a bit more substance to that section. I'm surprise in a way that there isn't more starling legend, given the bucketfuls for ravens, robins and wrens, but my searches keep taking me back back to Branwen 1510:

I don't like it either. FYI, I've moved the US and WA control stuff to the new section, rewritten WA control since prev sources dead, will check US too. We need a bit on the benefits and problems of starlings, any thoughts where it should go?

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I agree with meegsC. Also Starlings dont affect crop populations adversly they only eat harmfull insects you blackbirds do it starlings get blamed for it trust me ive had pet ones they dont eat many plants they eat a huge ariety of insects

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I am a new editor. The suggestion is the images under subspecies is in one column, how can you align the images horizontally, so that the images don't take up so much space. I am sure this is an easy fix, just that I don't really know,

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Poor picture layout at present, but I expect that the entry will expand a improved it eventually. But then, it's not much of a picture. These things are everywhere, so I'll doubtless get a better one to replace it with before too long.

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The author for should perhaps read differently - Hawkins, P, Morton, DB, Cameron, D, Cuthill, I, Francis, R, Freire, R, Gosler, A, Healy, S, Hudson, A, Inglis, I, Kirkwood, J, Lawton, M, Monaghan, P, Sherwin, C, and Townsend, P. See

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A starling had been going in our garage, then i got it out. It turned out to be very nice, and it really likes me. here are some tips. Try to make a connection Be KIND carry it around, show it to ppl. eventually take it in a pet.

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most likely to occur if roosts have been active for years." I think this fungal pathogen is not choosy about what species of bird droppings provides its growth medium and would leave out the article's libellous statement entirely.

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book by John A. Long now - in North America it gives dates of when it reached particular states in its advancement across the continent. I am happy to add this if you both are not worried that that is going into too much detail.

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The map seems to indicate distribution for breeding population (Northern hemisphere). Internet sources tell that non-breeding distribution extends to coasts in Northern China, occasionally Japan, in the east, and further south.

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Most modern American bird books I see call it the European Starling. I don't know which name is more common in the bird's native homeland, but I'm guessing that European Starling is the most common name in the United States.

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We went to quite a lot of trouble to get a semblance of balance to this section, but perhaps it could go at the end of the second para of the section. Since this is an FA, you will need a proper ref as well as the wikilink

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by John A. Long - this book is terrific in cataloguing what has been introduced where and when comprehensively. I'll try and re-borrow this next time I am nearby (would have been tomorrow but no work as it is a holiday :))

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foods! Is there any way we could expand this comment to be more accurate? For example, shouldn't this page contain enough information to discuss how Starlings' diet differs from other "omnivorous" birds such as, say, the

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Yes, definitely BE, it's not native to NAm. My inclination would be to lc "starling", but I don't know whether that's MoS, normal practice or whatever. I suppose that as long as we are consistent, it doesn't much matter.

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I was about to say that your labour was not entirely wasted because it might help users of Zotero or other bibliographic tools - and then discovered that support for these scholarly tools has just been knocked out...

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How are we doing in terms of content? There's far more stuff out there than we can use (at least a dozen more parasites), although there are some notable gaps — very little myth/legend except the

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that they are consistently formatted, but I was going to ask you to take a look anyway, so you have anticipated that request. One pair of eyes is rarely sufficient to make it Nikkimaria-proof

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on the BirdLife page, Don't know if it's useful. I can't see why you can't use the map for migration, the Western Palaearctic part (i.e. most of it) is virtually identical to that in

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Do you have a view on commas? I don't care for the second comma, called an Oxford comma I believe, in such a phrase as "...A, B, and C." but am prepared to adopt it if you prefer it.

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I find I had changed the size of the text on my screen and now that I have returned it to its original size, the images no longer cause a problem. I received the pdf file, thank you.

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The trouble with linking place names is to know what limits to set. Faeroe Islands, Merseyside, Northern Ireland, Bahamas, Low Countries, Iberian Peninsula ... etc. All or none?

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doi — if I see a doi on the page I'm consulting, I put it in, otherwise I wait until I'm pretty well finished and run the citation bot to add any relevant doi, pmid or whatever.

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I assume we are using British English, this being a largely European bird? My spellchecker points out American spellings and I intend to alter these words as I come across them.

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phrase "in Australia there are many common starlings" indicates several different types of starling." Shall we conform to this handy rule, specially set out for starlings?

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I don't know about starlings but in some species once the chicks are old enough they dump over the side of the nest and the parent's don't need to remove the faecal sac.

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anyway. I read something about some NAm birds establishing migration patterns (like some Canada Geese here), not sure if it was in the pdf I sent you, I'll check later.

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I have to admit I'm not sure how the jstor parameter works. Do I just put jstor = followed by the whole of the url from the jstor page? I'm not sure the bot does this.

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starling. There's probably a name for this technique. I think it should be included (by someone who can explain it easily). (sorry I don't know how to sign posts)

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http://www.nationalswa.com/News/MediaReleases/tabid/83/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/42/State-Government-commits-400000-to-help-eradicate-starlings-Redman.aspx

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Agreed. Pity that my inlaws aren't in the area of Kentucky that is currently infested with a large flock, else I'd have them get some call samples for the article.

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Maybe in the Science and culture section you can add that there are two fictional "species" of Pokemon: Starly and Staravia, named "Starling Pokemon".--

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Did the birds arriving by ship in South America do so by accident or by intent? ie, did they travel there of their own accord or were they introduced?

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The para about Fair Isle and Hebridean starlings is not in Vaurie or Freare, may be in Svensson or the CD-rom, but I don't have these. I'll search BB.

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Could we have another image under taxonomy instead of duplicating the taxobox one? Plenty of unused photos tom go around, so it feels like a waste.

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My normal practice is not to link countries or continents, but to link everything else. I've sometimes deviated from that for articles like

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includes all of central America and the Caribbean, although many Americans like to think it's only the English speaking bits that count

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Thank you for that suggestion. Having input all the 16 author names into the template, I see it has substituted "et al" for the last 8!

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I'm inclined to put predation by humans under status, as an (unimportant) threat, but it could go under Predators. What do you think?

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good but on my screen the 2 subspecies images push the table down so there is a large area of blank space to the left of the images.

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Are you OK to follow Casliber's suggestion of making introductions a subsection of Distribution and habitat, seems to make sense?

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I have added an extra paragraph to the North America section but you are welcome to remove it if you think it inappropriate.

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to where they came from? I am no expert, but I imagine there are other European countries that might want them as well.

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thanks for that, I can access the BB paper (fwiw, all except the last few years of BB are free to read on line anyway)

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I wondered what was going on. All I can say is that I've used the coauthor parameter for 40+ FACs, and no one has

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I think I said that I'd be on holiday soon, that will be for three weeks from 30th, snow at Heathrow permitting.

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I've added "upright" to the two subspecies image parameters and they now look better on my screen.

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the Fair Isle bit, we will have to dump it, at which stage I'll replace the two contentious refs.

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Svensson needs page numbers, although it could be replaced unless it's the source for the above.

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http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/invasive/publications/pubs/pest-animal-strategy.pdf

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I propose that we move the "Distribution and habitat" section to immediately before "Status".

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there's a fair bit of overlap with the IUCN source, so that's probably why. Did you notice

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I'll make the structural changes above, and try to produce something coherent on controls

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Have you thought about adding something about the Common Starling when kept as a pet? See

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I've rewritten "in culture" as proper referenced prose, I'm sure we can add to it later

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and other gregarious situations. This species is omnivorous, taking a wide range of

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Isn't the official name, as standardized by the AOU and ABA, European Starling?

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What about capitalisation? Should Starling be capitalised wherever it occurs?

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http://www.bristol.ac.uk/biology/research/behaviour/centre/publications.html

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first 6 days? If so then the faecal sacs need to be mentioned earlier.

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I'm also inclined to replace the CD-rom ref unless you have this item.

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You need to have proper references for what you add, otherwise it's

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Apropos of nothing, five waxwings in the very snowy garden today!

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I had a run through the refs and cited texts myself yesterday, I

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THere is now a starling-specific poison, described in Wiki here:

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I have a list of 15 more parasites, I'll add at least some later

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Knowledge level-4 vital articles in Biology and health sciences

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In the last paragraph of Predators and parasites it mentions

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Fiji and Jamaica. A couple of other organisational thoughts

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drug manufacturer who wanted every bird found in Shakespeare

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Knowledge:Today's featured article/requests/Common starling

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on April 17, 2015. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at

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