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I HAVE studied many times The marble which was chiseled for me- A boat with a furled sail at rest in a harbor. In truth it pictures not my destination Buy my life For love was offered me and I shronk from its disillusionment; Sorrow knocked at my door, but I dreaded the chances. Yet all the while I
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should be included on this page. Although references can be cited for the two epitaphs listed there, there's nothing inherently notable about them. There's already been one revert over their removal, so I'm requesting a third opinion so as to nip this in the bud before it grows even more. It should
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