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491:. And while skepticism is healthy and encouraged, we don't adopt a false skepticism based on ignorance. As I reminded you above, a "prove it" stance is only taken when an actual challenge to the material is made. If you don't have the time to verify the material yourself, then make a request on the talk page. Adding multiple fact tags to material that is already attributed, uncontroversial, and appears on the DVD is not helpful. My experience with you on several articles leads me to believe that you still misunderstand the citation guidelines and are using the fact tag as a weapon rather than as a means to help improve the article. Just because you do not have the time nor the inclination to do actual research, check and verify sources, and discuss challenged material, doesn't give you the right to add an excessive and disruptive number of fact tags. You've been asked to stop by many editors, and explanations for why you should stop have been provided many times. Your reasoning is not justified by any policy or guideline, so I suggest you stop using the fact tag in a disruptive manner until you learn how to contribute positively to Knowledge. This means collaborating with editors and working towards agreement; it does not mean forcing your pet theories and strange interpretations of template usage upon the rest of us. You've been told this time and time again by many editors. If you truly want to help improve Knowledge, use the talk pages to discuss the topic with your fellow editors. Do not use the article as a battleground where you employ fact tags as weapons. 432:. Any production content will be attributable to either one, two, or possibly three sources. There is no need for multiple citation tags, because it is likely the information originates from a very limited set of sources. I suggest that most if not all of the information can be sourced to at least one book and the DVD. Further, much of the information already has sources, but you aren't reading for comprehension. When a sentence says "Trumbull stated on the commentary accompanying the DVD release", that means the statement can be found on the DVD. When a statement attributes something to the "Science Fiction Museum and Hall of Fame in Seattle, Washington", all you have to do is check the website. So you are still using fact tags incorrectly and failing to pay attention to what the material actually says. In this example you provide, an "unreferencedsection" tag is favored over multiple fact tags. Try to pick another example for a different answer. 617:, and it is official policy. I provided a quote, not an interpretation. There is no policy or guideline that recommends using "targeted tags to address unverified statements" in the manner you are suggesting - that's why we are here discussing your ideas as a "proposal". In order to verify a statement, you actually have to look at the source. I haven't addressed your claim about the efficacy of targeted tags because it is something you made up and exists only in your imagination. I would like to stick to facts not fantasy please. The fact is, your editing behavior has caused massive edit wars, disruption, and wastes the time of editors who could be actively contributing to the encyclopedia. We simply do not use citation tags the way you are using them. And in order to verify something, you actually have to do the research. Adding excessive fact tags to unchallenged material does nothing and is not recommended. As 364:

which notes the area from which some of the flora and fauna samples were taken. The Valley Forge is listed as "Bahia Honda Subtropical," indicating at least some specimens were taken from this area of the Florida Keys. The model of the Valley Forge Space Freighter was 26 feet (8 m) long, and took six months to build from a combination of custom castings and the contents of approximately 800 prefabricated model aircraft or tank kits. After filming was completed, American Airlines expressed an interest in sending the model on the tour circuit, but this was not feasible due to the fragile nature of the model (in fact, during filming, pieces of the model kept falling away). The ship was subsequently disassembled. Several pieces, including the domes, wound up in the hands of collectors, but the entire ship was destroyed after several years sitting in a storage bin.

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the subplot involving the plants dying due to a lack of light were involved, but his main interest in the plants was simply as a means of extending his limited food supplies. In the second half of the film, he receives a signal from an alien ship, and decides to approach it—humanity's first contact with aliens. The last part of the movie was a race between Lowell, who as trying to contact the aliens, and the human boarding party trying to re-take the ship. Finally, in desperation, Lowell detaches one of the domes with one of the robots aboard seconds before he is killed by the boarding party. The dome drifts off into deep space, where it is found by the aliens.

662:. Making the claim that a direct quote from a policy/guideline "doesn't appear to be a correct interpretation of current guidelines" is absurd. You keep forgetting that in addition to being unsourced, the claim has to be doubtful, in other words, challenged. Not all material on Knowledge requires sources. The fact is, the example you gave provided an appropriate number of attributed sources in the text. Since the sources are spelled out, it is easy to verify the material, which is exactly what I just did above. So, you are confusing the difference between unsourced material, challenged material, and formatting sources - three separate steps. 31: 1878:- SmackBot takes care of the date. I have refrained from changing documentation in the past to say this, because I did not want to seem patronising, but the fact of the matter is SB can easily cope with dating a few hundreds more a day, whereas the number of date errors humans make (including me) creates a small but significant workload, luckily SB deals with most of this too, but it leaves broken templates. By all means then seperate off any "technical " matter. 452:

scifi museum quip. Adding a general unreferenced tag generalizes the need for sources and presents a facade that the only a few bits need citation, and that most of the info is correct, when in actuality, a lot of it is in verification freefall. It is as intellectually dishonest as repeatedly (and uncivilly) noting that someone is oblivious to a policy simply because their interpretation of said policy differs from their own. -

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the Mitchell Park Domes in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, but the production budget forced the sequences to be shot in a newly-completed aircraft hangar in Van Nuys, California. Trumbull stated on the commentary accompanying the DVD release of the science fiction classic, that the geodesic domes containing the last forests of Earth's future on the spaceship Valley Forge were also based on the Missouri Botanical Garden Climatron dome.

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This is the transition approach I mention . Note that the fix template contains the date checking code, and therefore all templates that use fix would have to be checked to see if they use that feature, an if so all the other templates that use that category would have to be changed at the same time.

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The documentation is not aimed solely at editors of pages, but also at those who edit (or might be tempted to edit) the template itself, and work with it in various ways. Therefore we may consider "User" and "Technical" documentation requirements. Please do not remove great chunks of the technical

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which is included on the DVD. The rest of the material is already attributed to other sources, such as Starlog, the SF Museum, etc. The film you offer up for discussion is a cult film from 1972, so by default, sources aren't going to be as plentiful. You probably aren't going to be able to find (or

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ugly. If a casual reader sees a lot of info tags noting something is uncited, it might just make that reader want to contribute to the article in the form of a citation, and this an new editor enters the fold. At the very least, they are going to know that the article is still under construction, and

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Trumbull had been involved with creating effects for 2001: A Space Odyssey. Director Stanley Kubrick wanted the "Stargate" sequence of that film to be centered around Saturn, but there were technical difficulties in getting the special effects for this sequence finished in the limited time frame. The

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Well, this I intend to use only in my sandbox, though it doesn't quite seem that a fact tag can be used in a sandbox, and not used in a mainspace article. I don't know much about making templates, so is it at all possible, if this is typed: {{fact|San Francisco Chronicle}}, to make the template read

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I write a few articles in my sandboxes. Sometimes I write before I have the resource to cite from. This is quite a specialized request, but it might be helpful for other editors to use as well when they are constructing articles and edits. Can the template be amended to allow for a citation tag from

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not policy or guideline changes. Your original argument appeared to concern itself with usage and was focused on changing the usage of the template. When I brought up policy and guidelines, you said you wanted to change them. So if that's what you want, this isn't the place for it. Try using the

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the other issue to consider it that the 'fact' template adds pages to cleanup categories, which probably isn't appropriate for sandboxed work where only one person is editing. I suggest if you make a userfied version, take off the category assignments. in fact, just say so and I'll happily make a

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The danger of adding this is that suddenly 10,000 fact tags may have 20-word notes and make articles look even more like ass, ass, ass. I am initially opposed to the idea of adding such a parameter. But perhaps a solution to consider is a note that stays hidden but adds a visible flag, indicating

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If we do that we would have to fix all existing articles, which will number about 300,000, plus the cats, maybe 2-300 to be moved. Although we could transition at the beginning of a month, I think considerable confusion would ensue. Also it seems to me that "August 2008" is more human readable than

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was discussed, that would be nice to see, so as to compare it to the current proposal, and actually verify the accuracy of your statement. Without it, your evaluation is somewhat less than useful. And I think you have been here long enough to know how consensus is frequently variable. Respectfully,

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of offering its opposite. Consequently, your opinion, while noted, is usually dismissed or simply ignored by me, except in those instance when I feel I should post to prevent you from effectively poisoning the well of editorial interaction. You don't like me: message received, I got it. The feeling

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Yeah, I won't be replying to the repeated suggestion that I don't know my way around Knowledge. If you care to rephrase your post so as to be less confrontational, you might get a response. Not before - which is something of shame, since I would point out how your assumptions are largely incorrect

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Only one dome has survived, and it now rests in the Science Fiction Museum and Hall of Fame in Seattle, Washington. The model of the Valley Forge space freighter was put into Douglas Trumbull's personal storage facility, where it sat for several years before being discarded. The three "drones" were

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The interiors were filmed aboard the decommissioned aircraft carrier USS Valley Forge (CV-45), which was docked at the Long Beach Naval Shipyard in Long Beach, California. Shortly after filming was completed, the carrier was scrapped. The forest environments were originally intended to be filmed in

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The Freeman Lowell character in original version was an older, more curmudgeonly man who simply did not want to return to earth and be forced into retirement, so he steals the Valley Forge, and heads off into deep space. As in the filmed version, he reprograms the robots for some companionship, and

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Actually, it really doesn't, as you are quoting that which my suggestion was to alter. You applying it as an argument, to whit, arguing that I am suggesting the policy doesn't exist when in point of fact the matter isn't such at all is something of a straw man argument. I am suggesting a change in

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makes clear, if you come across unreferenced material, add the unreferenced tag to the article or section. It's really very simple, and I'm not going to allow you to waste any more of my valuable time discussing it, as you seem to be engaging in attention-seeeking behavior. Multiple editors have

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citation efficacy. If you wish to do so (again, w/out coupling your remarks with personal attacks, incivility or claims that I am unfamiliar with policies/guidelines), please feel free. If you cannot do this, and insist on attempting to poison the well of reasoned debate, you will not be responded

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different sources being used to reference information present in it. And while someone alluding to content on a DVD is nifty for conversational musings, an encyclopedia needs citations. Forgive me if I choose to adopt a "prove it" stance that the info is available on the DVD. The same goes for the

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The disadvantage to keeping these target tags is that it compels us to act to find those citations or to remove those uncited statements.It forces us to be intellectually honest, and not pretend that all our articles are sound pieces of rock-hard fact. Frankly, I would hate to remove the info from

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I would point out that your notation of WP:PROVEIT sidesteps the verification that the info is actually in the DVD. With citation, it becomes verifiable. Without it, it is simply your unverified claim that it is. Thus, the need for targeted tags to address unverified statements. It did not escape

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should do the trick (I did drop your capitalization on "obtain," just to keep consistent with the current template). I'm not immediately aware of a reason an optional parameter would be a bad idea. The precise wording should be worked out pretty carefully, as RockMFR mentioned -- so far, Moni3's

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While I feel you have something to offer the wiki-en, I don't really feel the particular need to be schooled by you, as most of your lessons and advice are couched in the most uncivil of ways, and many of the lessons are ones I have already learned (despite your oft-repeated protestations to the

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policy, and with what little respect remains, I think I understand your point of view clearly, and have for the past two days' worth of posts. As most of it was full of personal attacks and incivility, a lot of it went largely ignored. Could I now trouble you to allow someone else to respond? -

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The targeted tags catch the eye, which offers the opportunity to cite the uncited statement. Cited statements improve the article, and by extension, the encyclopedia. Uncited statements, allowed to fester unfixed for months and years is the stuff that Washington Post articles, decrying how WP is

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There are three freighters seen in the film: they are the Valley Forge, the Berkshire and the Sequoia. Five other ships that carried domes are also named, but do not appear on screen — they are the Yellowstone, Acadia, Blue Ridge, Glacier and Mojave. Each ship features a designation on the hull,

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With its cover-plate removed during a shooting break, double-amputee actor Mark Persons is visible inside the tiny Drone 3 costume. In an interview with Starlog magazine in the late 1970s, Douglas Trumbull revealed that the plot of the movie in the original version of the script was quite a bit

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However, any time other than summer, the whole island is empty of tourists and most clubs are not open (only Pacha is open all year round). Tourists who plan to travel to the island prior to June or after September should expect a quieter time with more unsettled weather. The island is still

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As stated before, the advantage to using statement specific tags allows to pinpoint those areas needing citation (and honestly, all of the tagged info needs citation). While it is agreed that the Ibiza example was extreme - the material should have simply been removed as uncited instead - the

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Before changing the real template to start using a parameter it had previously ignored, we would want to do some analysis to see whether a large number of articles are already using the parameter for other sorts of comments. I'm going to disable the editprotected request for now. — Carl

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tag for challenged statements, and 3) Inline citation style. For each of these three, different techniques and varied applications are used. Often, the solution depends on the individual article; there is no universal, across-the-board method. Most importantly, the fact tag is

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I think its's great, Ludwig. It doesn't ugly up the text, but notes which parts of the text are not solid/cited - I presume that was the aim, yes? Of course, something this new would require some discussion, but I think this might be a way to solve the problem technically. :) -

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I'm glad that it appears to be relatively simple. How difficult is it to alter the template? Is there an RfC required with consensus and all, or is it fairly simple to allow editors to start using the amended template right away? I don't know the process of it. School me.

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that was (historically) the way it was done. I'd have preferred to use dummy parameters (like 'comment=' and 'user='), but I have no idea how many pages already use the positional parameters for that purpose. we'd probably need a bot to clean it up, at this point...

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Points of clarification: while another editor has indicated that the source of the production information is "likely" concentrated in 1-3 sources, other films stand as representation that production info is often one of the more largely cited parts of an article with

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different from what was actually filmed. In the original version, the Space Freighters were on permanent duty carrying biological domes. When they are finally told to blow the domes and return to earth, it is because the freighters are going to be scrapped.

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on January 11, 2008 by Rich Farmbrough, the last revision before I added the code in the first place. I made sure to include the change made by EVula as that was not related to this particular piece of code. From the sample of articles I tested from

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previous reasoning remains. If there is no way to determine what in a section (or, heaven forbid, article) needs citation, notoriously short attention-spanned editors are going to move right on and not make any effort to clean up the article at all.

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The wording seems a little confusing to me. If someone came across "cite from San Francisco Chronicle" in an article, they might think that the information has been cited from the San Francisco Chronicle, rather than a citation being needed. ---

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It bears pointing out that the above example of the Ibiza article (with cn tags) inspired a protesting editor to seek out six different citations where none had been before. Prior to the targeting tags, one citation had been added (by myself).

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that's easy enough to do, I suppose, except that it risks producing overly-long citations. I'll make a request to add in a parameter called 'source', that changes the the boilerplate 'citation needed' to 'cite from source', but it might get

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code (The fact that something occupies the same space does not necessarily mean its related) as well as reverting my comment that I had explicitly added (as can be seen one thread up) because people kept adding categories at the wrong spot.

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I do consider it, Viriditas. I understand the citation issues, backwards and forwards. Again, I understand your point. and would very much like to hear from others. Could you please withhold posting long enough to allow others to do so? -

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I believe a variation on shading idea has been proposed before in the past without success. I'm not entirely certain where I first read it, but I think it was on one of the cleanup template discussions or possibly on ANI. In any case,

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I personally think that a bot doing it makes sense as it saves time for us valuable human editors. I'd like to change that to say that you can add the date= parameter, that's it's useful and that a bot can do it for you if you don't.

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or event he final venue where this matter would occur, but rather an initial step, seeking opinion. As you and I cannot work together, perhaps you should have acted on a bit of initiative to recognize this, offering an idiosyncratic

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basically it grays out a section of text (probably a better way to do that, true) and adds a single cite tag at the end, and then uses a popup to indicate what kinds of citations are needed. what do you think?

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I'm a bit uncertain that the advice to use parameters 1 and 2 (and maybe more) for comments is wise. These parameters might be needed in future. If a comment is needed surely an HTML comment would be better?

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played by four double-amputees, an idea inspired by Johnny Eck . The 20 pounds (9 kg) "drone suits" were custom tailored for the different actors, and still exist in Douglas Trumbull's personal collection.

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ATM I'm getting over 50,00 articles for SmackBot to process, where I would expect to get maybe 1200. I need undated items to be in a category where I can pick them up. I did look at adding that code to

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Well not really... I see all sorts of munging of "subst" and "date" with various combinations of brackets, braces, colons and pipes. Any objection to removing that part of the documentation?

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not take the article at its face value (and yes, they would tend to overlook the more general setion an article unreferenced tags, and yes they might take uncited, unproven info as accurate).

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deals with the cats correctly, and I am happy for careful namespace changes (tested) to that template, but please let me know. The comments at either end enable SB to de-subst the template.

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Yah, I think nuking the section, folding mention of the date tag and the bot in somewhere else. Since we have the bot, no need to manually date the tag, that's why we have the bot. :) —

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perform at the various clubs on weekly schedules, in between touring to other international destinations. Many of these DJs use Ibiza as an outlet for presenting new songs within the

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as needed; That's the most important thing to keep in mind. I'm not saying you lack common sense, but it's something you should consider before hitting the save button.

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Saturn idea was scrapped, and Kubrick substituted Jupiter instead. Trumbull developed the sequence after production, and it was recreated for Saturn in Silent Running.

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contrary). As this isn't a new complaint of mine (or others), you are consequently either unaware of how to offer constructive criticism, or feel invulnerable to the

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considered to be beautiful, but tourists coming for the night life may be disappointed, though it's arguably a better time to explore the island.

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Thanks for your reply, but as other editors have repeatedly pointed out to you, we aren't dealing with "other" articles. We are dealing with

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Ibiza is considered a popular tourist destination, especially due to its legendary and at times riotous nightlife centered around two areas:

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As Michael and Luna said, I think that a userspace version of the template would be better here. Luna has volunteered to help with the.

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I agree. There is no reason to change it from Citation needed. It is very clear. Cite just doesn't really convey what is going on.--

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Please see my comments above. The simplest way to solve this is to remove all the fancy instructions and tell people to use

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Suggesting that a quote from the guideline (which is incorporated into policy) was a "misinterpretation" speaks for itself.

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after the sentence or removing it. If a claim is doubtful but not harmful to the whole article or to Knowledge, use the

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a specific source? For example, if I typed {{fact|San Francisco Chronicle}} it should give me a message that says .

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This template has so much sidetalk going on inside it that it is difficult to edit. In addition, it is filled with

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be used if a claim is doubtful. Editors who tend to misuse the fact tag need to be pointed to this guideline.

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can be seen from all over the island, and some claim it is the third most magnetic point on Earth (after the

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But even the name appearing in the text would confuse people with the cite template. It's also ambiguous.

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the correctly formated 'date=' parameter which is used in sorting. It allows the tag to invoke the proper

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is shorter and is less likely to interrupt the text, and it still brings the point across just as well. —

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tag, but remember to go back and remove the claim if no source is produced within a reasonable time. See

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If you are a suggesting a change in policy, then you are in the wrong place. Has that occurred to you?

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If it's just for yourself, you could create a template in your own user space, and enter it like so:

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nothing but a bunch of kooks posting vandalism, bitchfests or incorrect information are made of.

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Though primarily known for its party scene, large portions of the island are registered as U.N.

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opinion and then allowed others to offer theirs, instead of turning it into a pissing contest.

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its presence. Perhaps an asterisk or other symbol with a tooltip, like after this sentence.

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can be found in Sant Antoni: Ibiza is one of several places purporting to be his birthplace.

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need) 102 unique sources that are used in a recent film article, like the 2007 film

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I just meant how the template appears, not its actual name. I already knew about

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codes before implementing them. This is used on many thousands of pages. Thanks,

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and Luna - am I confused, or do you have your IF statement terms reversed? --

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Latin is missing among the "other languages." This page should be linked to

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tag. This example is from a revision made by Arcayne at 17:13, 30 March 2008.

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Always subst: the {{DATE}} or {{Fact-now}} templates. NEVER subst {{fact}}.

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well, maybe we could split the difference: contextualize everything in an

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which return the date in a correct format YYYY-MM, instead of MMMM YYYY.

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Sure it's occurred to me. This venue was to get opinion from a number of

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The date given by DATE is not according to international standards (

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Then immediately after, this rule seems to contradict the usage:

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matter simply because they are not needed by the average "user".

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Fine. I've changed it to your version. Maybe I need a WikiBreak.

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music. The season traditionally begins at the start of June with

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The following is an example of Arcayne's proposal for using the

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Or is there a way to do that now, but I just don't know it? --

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Interesting idea. That behavior would be pretty easy to get:

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I'm confused. The example uses "subst:Fact" like this:

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Ah, crap! You're right. Fixed up above, and thanks. –

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to see about adding the check for other namespaces to

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did that - check to see if it's more readable now. --

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