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You are right. I didn't notice that, for which I apologize. However, it does then caste doubt on the notability of the statement, and verges on weasel words. It probably should only be a statement that part of the Qu'ran was written in Medina. Also, looking again at the edit, I think "revealed" fails
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Okay, I've thought about this for a while, and I want to comment at AN/I myself. I don't know if anyone else will, but Berean's quick closure made it impossible for us to know. That was improper, imo, and I've decided to re-open the thread myself. It'll probably just roll off to archives, but even
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Then what about Chem1's comment? Do you dispute what he is saying or not? I'm referring to the reference to "one of two cities" where it was revealed. Chem1 said that it was written in other places besides Mecca and Medina. To say that medina was one of the two cities, yet ther e wereother places
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Look this please . I dont know who make these false statements for the day I was born GREECE HAS NEVER Albanian minorities my friend ,so let the right opinion to put on page Its about 10.94 million (2 0 0 1 c e n s u s estimate), 11.306 million (2010 estimate) look it by
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Thanks. I raised a more general issue about Jamie, but it's unclear anyone else thinks the same. Since there was no other comment along those lines I don't think I'll push to keep it open. I will leave a message on Magog's page however to see if he agrees - the hatting
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Not really. The article isn't about the Qu'ran, which that would sound like. what was wrong with "Muslims believe..."? It's NPOV but not contrary to Islam. Btw, this should really take place on the article Talk page, so that others can seen what was agreed etc.
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If you bothered to see paragraph'Higher estimate of Bulgarians in Bulgaria' you will see that consensus was reached already so please stop changing agreed content. Discuss at least instead edit warring, thanks!
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