309:, thank you for your question. The answer is dependent on understanding the reason we have redirects, disambiguations, or headnotes in the first place. We include these as aids to the reader. We need to consider whether a reader arrived at this page is likely to be looking for the page subject. If there is a reasonable chance that they would not, then one of these types of finding aids is appropriate. So the real question becomes: Is there a reasonable probability that somebody coming to our project looking for information about 1930's Rhode Island politics would instead find the Glorious Revolution? I didn't think that would be the case, which is why I removed the headnote. For the redirect, they question is similar,: Is there a reasonable probability that a reader would type "Bloodless Revolution" into our search bar instead of T.F.Green or History of Rhode Island or similar? I have my doubts about that, as well. From your links, I think that "Bloodless Revolution" would not be the starting point of a search on the topic but be instead something that would come out of research on the topic. I could be wrong, though. Maybe Rhode Island 7th grade history teachers routinely assign "Bloodless Revolution" to their students and expect them to find out it was very different from what the name implies. That's the best guidance I can give you. I hope it helps.
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closers is because the discussion participants become two enmeshed in their positions to see that the apparent difference is often not as wide as it seems. That was the case here, I felt. As I mentioned, I wrote the close that endorsed the four options so I am quite conversant with them, thank you. I don't need to have them explained to me. I also know that the presence of statements in a discussion dos not mean they must be taken wholly without question or rejected in detail in a close. For every !voter such as yourself that challenged the reputation for fact-checking there were literally two that said it did have such a reputation.
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That userbox that I created about vindication has nothing to do with by upcoming three month ban if you were thinking that. That was the first time I created a userbox as well, and don't yet know how to do it right yet.
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Thank you so much for the help you provided me. Also, about finding me some sources. A simple "Thank you" is not enough. That's why I decided to give you that start. Please continue to be as kind and nice you are now!
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just cross the fuzzy grey line. Primefac and
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Ryan's user page already did post that information. I can't have "outed" information that was always "inned". Due to this site's history of doxxing for harassment, I understand why you,
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