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Basildon in 1974? Harrow should probably also stay split since it seems that many of the other places (like Stanmore) would still be thought of as being distinct and every other London borough is split. Havant might already be an exception since as noted the old district was "Havant and Waterloo" and anyway Hayling Island is clearly distinct. Fareham clearly contains some distinct areas so its marginal. Woking (which I previously missed from the list of post 2005 splits) perhaps should be merged, its an interesting one in that Byfleet may be classified as being distinct in that its not part of the BUASD and was from 1989 to 2010 a parish. The discussion for splitting is at
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localities never really saw the big picture. Corby was one of those one that was right on the edge where I think I reckoned it should be split but it was clear that would be unable to achieve a consensus. I do remember blank incomprehension from people particularly for calling the split articles 'City of X' vs 'X' for the ones that had city status. Perhaps that was a mistake and I should have just gone with
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would actually vote against that list - I'm surprised to find out I made it!, but I do remember being turned against it pretty quickly when I realised it was a choice between synthesis and the BUASDs; and I /really/ didn't like the BUASDs being ranked in a sort of national list, because they didn't seem to be designed for that, and the ONS wasn't presenting them like that. Yeah I just mean that like
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I very much doubt that Corby would ever have been controversial if split, the only controversy seems to have been with splits of districts with city status mainly due to the confusion with the title. In addition as noted Corby district is due to be abolished in April next year and the unparished area
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With Newcastle upon Tyne I'd actually consider keeping as is for partly the same reasons as Manchester etc you gave above in that many will consider it to be the whole Tyneside BUA but what do you mean by unwieldiness of the name? Are you talking about the fact that the district is called "Newcastle
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that have pre 1974 boundaries would you suggest merging? As far as they go Basildon probably should be kept split since Billericay is clearly a separate town (and the former district was called "Billericay" previously) as well as the fact that it seems part of Thurrock Urban District became part of
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The BUAs are interesting but ultimately as i understand it, a strip development on a main road between two otherwise independent settlements would be enough to merge the BUAs for statistical purposes but doesn't really necessarily affect how people think about on the ground? Hilariously, I think I
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I mean, I may well have misjudged that. I never really liked 'X District' as a solution because nobody ever really uses it as a name independently - certainly not with the capital letter. It's only ever found as part of the phrase 'X District Council', and in that case it's the 'District Council'
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saying about distinct settlements in a district is interesting here, with Corby (apart from Weldon) the villages in the parished part are unquestionably standalone settlements while with Chesterfield the other town isn't unquestionably stand alone, which do you give more weigh to? IMO the former.
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Hi thanks, that's interesting trip through memory lane! As I recall back then I was seen as quite a bit of a splitter - I was trying to mostly apply some sort of general principles country-wide, to do with the size of settlements not part of the main BUA in the district. Most editors from various
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Birmingham, Manchester, Middlesbrough, Coventry - keep merged - just cans of worms if you do these. Manchester in particular get used as a name for a much larger urban area than the 'locality'. We also do already have
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but not all are included due to some nakesake districts being partly parished but having only 1 article. Out of the "Partly parished" section on my list which ones would you recommend/consider splitting?
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about problems with scope and links etc with splitting Reading etc. If the boundaries didn't change in 1974 then yes I'd have the district since the older district was formed of which for Reading it is
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City Council" similar to Hull City Council/Kingston upon Hull? I'm not sure how this would be problematic other than the fact that the council has a shorter name than what we'd give the district namely
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There's usually a meetup on the second Sunday of every month. There's lately a risk that Penderel's Oak will close and so we may have to move on to another venue so don't leave it another 20 years!
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Ultimately I'm not really editing on the ground in this area, though and both what the principles should be and the application of them are are judgement calls and I'm happy to sit those out.
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I'd agree with you're opinions but I'd make 2 small changes, I'd flip Chesterfield round since although Staveley is a town and parish and was former an urban district it is part of
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all the older districts have article (as well as the settlements) with 1 exception Harrow because the boundaries didn't change in which case it redirects to the current one, see
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so i think ultimately i don't disagree with any of your assessments there although maybe I wouldn't bother to do the marginal ones if there was any local pushback.
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parished so the borough would be a former entity anyway. The only proposal to merge a district without city status that I'm aware of is Barrow-in-Furness (see
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I'm not really sure my opinion matters very much just because I happened to do this work originally. BUT having said that, of you partly parished list
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Hi. I don't have any particularly strong need to express any feelings in this area that I was involved in editing over fifteen years ago now.
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of 'X', not the 'Council' of 'X District'. But also 15 years later maybe I've matured enough to just let go of it. Or at least pretend to.
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Cheltenham, Gloucester, Oxford, Slough, Southend, Worcester - the boundaries are fairly tight with the urban area, keep merged.
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Hi, Andrew. Unfortunately I'm busy tomorrow afternoon. :( Maybe I'll try and come to a 20th anniversary one in the summer?
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I'm sure "X District" usage do occur in databases, wikis and procedurally generated content but like, take the principle of
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Newcastle upon Tyne, I think the unwieldiness of the name for a split article makes me want that to keep merged.
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Peterborough - definitely agree with splitting this. Over half the land area is outside of the settlement.
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I have produced a list of districts that don't have separate articles to their namesake settlement at
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