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abolition. The 1972 Act simply says "For the administration of local government England and Wales shall be divided into ... and these areas shall be known as counties". It goes on to define those counties in terms of existing 'administrative counties', so they were obviously aware of the proper term at the time. To me this means either a) they intended to replace both the administrative counties and traditional counties with 'counties' (though if so why not say so by abolishing the traditional counties?) or more likely b) they regarded the traditional counties as exactly that, counties as determined by tradition, not law, and having no legal status. This is consistent with the 1974 statement. However, what they intended is (to a lesser extent) also irrelevant. What they failed to do is specifically deal with the traditional counties, so the position is ambiguous.
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of inverness-shire locally in morayshire was specifically incorporated into the "highland" region in 1975 is also odd; one wonders why administrative morayshire was dissected back into its consituent historic pieces before reincorporation into the oversized two-tier 'regions' that followed. Just goes to show the enduring significance of the traditional counties, I'm inclined to remark...
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Siberian federal district, and so on), but I couldn't help but noticed that the list of districts on the pages is actually a {{msg:Russian_federal_districts}} shortcut message, and not the actual table with the list. Do you know who should be contacted in regards to what that message generates? Any
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Is it really helpful or informative to have the boxes showing MPs who 'resigned' through appointment as Steward or Bailiff of the Chiltern Hundreds or Steward of the Manor of Northstead? This is an appointment which carries no duties and no salary. The only interesting thing about it would be to give
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Dear Mor; Hi1 You and a few other people these days have accidentally blocked me cause I use a IP thats shared by the infamous Michael. Because of this I can only do half of my wikipedia work basically. Its been like this for about 4 days. I know it was accidental but can you please unblock me? My IP
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I was confused by the description of Middlesbrough and Stockton as counties in their current state. I understand that they are unitary authorities but I didn't think this made them counties per se - does anyone actually refer to the "county of Middlesbrough" for example? It would sound very odd to my
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Regarding Manchester, I didn't think a map showing Manchester within Greater Manchester was terribly helpful, as anyone trying to look up that information could see it on the Greater Manchester page, but now you've put in a map showing M within England I have no problem with it, as it is more use to
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Thank you for fighting the good fight on the county issue, which I'm afraid I know too little about to be of any use. I know it must be tiring, but I am glad to see you remaining here and adding your considerable knowledge and good sense to the collective that is Knowledge. If there is anything an
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Re: images with explicit restrictions on third parties, Jimbo has said several times that such pictures should not be allowed - check the lengthy fair use threads on the mailing lists. I would like to ask you not to upload such images, unless you declare them fair use, in which case we basically say
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Surely Coventry and Wolverhampton are synonymous with the borough/city. Whereas Walsall and Dudley districts are made up of several seperate towns which each have there own identities but have been lumped together for local government administration. Somebody from Stourbridge is hardly likely to say
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Changing the subject, the map and fact box thingy you put in on the Birmingham page, doesn't fit in at all with the text and looks a bit of a mess with the text squeezed up alongside it. Do you thik it might be a good idea to have a link to the map rather than putting it on the main article space to
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I suspect I may be overreacting. I am perfectly happy to talk of Middlesex and Westmorland etc in the present tense, but as areas, not as counties. I am aware of the legal argument that the 'ancient and geographic counties' were not amended or abolished in 1888, but I regard that as an interesting
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I note that it seems to use the "counties" of "moray" and "banff" to mean the administrative counties that were abolished in 1975 ( I can't see the logic there, unless it's refering to the same "counties" that still exist for registration purposes). The fact that the previously incorporated portion
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The Genitive and the Possessive are not the same per se, true; articles are written generally, not from the point of view of English. In English, the possessive case is a type of the genitive (thus, a possessive genitive), and today indeed the only type in use. A genitive in English (only remaining
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TTBOMK there is no York Town Council or similar, and no body but the City has any legal or administrative existence, or any defined borders. The new City of York was created not as an agglomeration of different places (which might warrant a collective entry), but because the single physical TOWN of
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Great work on the maps, but the Indonesian province ones would be better if the non-Indonesian land was shown in outline, rather than being represented as equivalent to the sea. Looking around at some other pages maybe it's a wikipedia policy to show only the political entity, but if so it's a bad
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I'm afraid we can't use the original photos by GeekPhilosopher.com. Their copyright page states: "These photos are labeled 'Photo courtesy of GeekPhilosopher.com - your premier source for free stock photos.' We took these photos and we own the copyright. You are free to do whatever you want with
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Whouahhhh. We did duplicate work, I just finished with a new map of Germany with better border lines as well, and now I see you uploaded the same one hour ago. But at least mine has the boundaries of the neighboring countries as well, and the new coloring scheme. I guess I will upload my empty and
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As I have already said these things should be decided on a case by case basis, and common sense should be our guide. I have already said I dont think trying to apply a single set of rigid rules to everything is very sensible. I do wish the government wouldn't make things so complicated. Perhaps we
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I've tinkered with it and made it a bit narrower. Actually I'm probably going to Birmingham next week, and I was thinking of taking some photos, do you have any ideas of things to photograph? I was thinking of getting a shot of the skyline as a main picture, and possibly a few of the canals do you
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I suspected something like that might be the case. Thanks for the research. One other interesting thing I discovered is that the 'traditional counties of Great Britain' are actually a chimera. Although each county individually has been used at some point in the past, there has never been a time
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However, the technical legal argument seems to me to be irrelevant to the ABC's motivations, if not their claims. I see the real reason as rejection of Parliament's authority to define counties. If the 1888, 1965 or 1974 acts had purported to abolish the historic counties, I doubt they would lie
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after an anon had created it. I know you didn't write it, but I wanted another opinion to make sure I'm not overreacting. Pearl Took gets mentioned exactly once in LOTR, and never in any other book. I know Knowledge is not paper and all that, but it seems to me that we should call a halt somewhere
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I am not sure if you would be able to help me with this; if not, would you please forward this on to someone who can? Anyway, I was trying to figure out how Russian federal districts were named. In my opinion, whoever came up with the English versions of the names, should be shot in the head ...
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Regarding Oxford, someone had put loads of pictures in and made a cluttered mess, and I intended to try and sort it out, I never intended to remove your map permanently if you look I put it back in again in a different place so it would fit better, however I dont know how to deal with all the new
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I think we should decide these things on a case by case basis, for instance it makes sense to split the Dudley article, but it would be rather silly to split the Birmingham article. I dont think we should try to apply a single rule to everything as it will inevitably create anomolies. You have to
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in interrogative and personal pronouns, I believe) always denotes possession, and possessive pronouns are always pronouns in the genitive case. Hence the original article was right: my is the genitive case of me, and is thus a genitive pronoun – and consequently a possessive pronoun. I think. :)
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To me the intent is irrelevant and what is important is the actual legal situation. Having looked it up, it is not as obvious as the ABC claims. The parts of the 1888 that deals with counties and preserves the traditional counties are completely repealed and superseded, though there is no formal
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Hi - just wondering which part of Lewis was in Ross-shire. I thought that the whole region was in Inverness-shire, with Harris lying in the other county, and that's why I reverted the previous edit (with an explanation) -- on closer inspection, that should be the other way round, it all lay in
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Good point, but I dont think the two things are quite comparable. Birmingham is a city and is generally recognised as a single place, not a borough of seperate towns lumped together for local government convenience. It has been absorbing places which were once seperate towns for many years. For
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Morwen, keep on with the great work you're doing on the maps. I can imagine how much work you put into them, I'm an illustrator too. I would have been very hurt by the nonsense phrase "very ugly" from G-man. G-man, have some thought for the person you're writing to and phrase your remarks more
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of "moray" seems to accuractely depict the "rump" area of traditional morayshire, without the detached section of inverness-shire that was incorporated into the post 1889-administrative county, and also without the detached sections (which were administratively incorporated into administrative
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Regardless of the legal change of status, the reality was that the (pre-existing) City Council expanded its jurisdiction to a larger area, and simultaneously took over some extra functions within its new boundaries. Surely it is more natural to say that "York has grown" than that there is some
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Right, I regard that as deeply unsatisfactory. City status is just a ceremonial symbolic thing, and the process for obtaining it a bizarre monarchic relic... All it entitles a borough to is the right to have itself a "City Council" and a Lord Mayor. It doesn't by itself alter identities or
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Well as a rule of thumb an article should be about whatever is the most common use of that term. So Dudley should be about the town of D as that is what is most commonly associated with the word. Whereas the term Wolverhampton and Coventry are always used in referance to the cities, that seems
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on numerous wikipedias, replacing "Germanic" with "Semitic" and removing Yiddish from articles dealing with Germanic languages. I don't know if he is some sort of anti-Yiddish Jewish nationalist, but his edits are obviously simple vandalism, and the page you protected should be reverted to an
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I was under the impression that it had been agreed that when a town and local government district shared the same name the articles should be split. So I was rather surprised that you objected to my splitting of the Dudley page, I thought I was doing what had been agreed. I dont quite see why
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Coventry and Warwickshire effectively form part of a single area and are often spoken of as such, and most of the Warwickshire towns surrounding Coventry are effectively dormitary towns for Coventry and thus form a sort of "Greater Coventry" metropolitan area. Although no such an area exists
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may sound rather odd to the average reader, as far as I can see Stocksbridge is the only place which is seperate from the main conurbation. In this particular case I would be tempted to merge the article but point out that the city boundaries encompass neighboring places like is done at
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To my mind, calling them 'traditional counties' or 'historic counties' rather than 'counties' deals with the problem in a very Knowledge-like fashion. 'Counties' without anything else is clearly defined by the 1972 Act as meaning the post-1974 metropolitan and non-metropolitan counties.
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I would like to apologize for my childish deceptions. I did not mean to hurt you or any other Wikipedian. I would like to wipe the slate clean. This is a sincere apology, and a promise that I will not decieve you again. Once again, I am truly sorry. Thank you for your support.
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Hi. I can see that in the months I was away from Knowledge many changes have been taking place wrt the nomenclature for bits of the UK. I have not been following this debate in detail so please forgive me if I am reopening horrendous areas of argument that you thought were dead!
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Yeah, it sucks - copyright is fundamentally stupid. But in the end I hope that we will have truly free images of most people, places and things. We already do have a few photos of celebrities taken by Wikipedians, for example, and keeping fair use at a minimum encourages that.
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Ok -- hope I didn't seem like I was "correcting" you at all. Just trying to figure out a way of aiming all this stuff at the same place (honestly, I hope the anon cuts it out...my day is not brighter for having to view these detestable words) Thanks for responding so quickly,
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I'm not sure what the primary use is in English, but I have certainly seen it used as the name of the lost territories. There should be an article dealing with the issue, and it should not redirect to the DDR article which have nothing with this historical term to do.
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Therefore it is probably in your own interest to use the phrasing less objectionable to them. No doubt there will always be the traditional county fanatics, but most will be satisfied by a mention of the traditional county in the first paragraph in the present tense.
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article the box takes up more space than the text, and should perhaps be added to a seperate article about the district rather than the town. I am merely trying to make articles look nice, I wasn't trying to hurt anyone, I realise a lot of work has been put into
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you had the colspan=2 in. I'm happy to go back and reinstate the colspans. However it did seem to me that you were consistently not closing the first cell & row of the table with /td /tr... and so this is just a reality check ... am I missing something?
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Hi Morwen, regarding the naming issue on the Counties/Prefectures of Albania, is it confirmed by some solid source that counties is indeed preferred. There are many links with prefectures, and I'd like to be sure before I go around and change them. Thanks,
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I'm ok with the term 'traditional county' using sparingly. However, this does not extend to accepting 'Somerset is a traditional county, ceremonial county and administrative county in south-west England' at the start of the article. ] 07:07, Feb 13, 2004
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Brighton and Hove, Lancaster etc seem to be the exceptions rather than the rule, of course Brighton and Hove isnt a "place" but Coventry say clearly is. I say it would be sensible to apply different criteria depending on the circumstances. Any thoughts?
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I can see your point about Humberside, but I don't like the "Humber" solution much. I guess the point of the line was to list the 1974 counties which formed the basis for drawing up the region. My best solution, I think will be to put in a link to
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I'm not sure I agree with you about that, an ordinary local government district is merely an area used for the efficient delivery of local services and are not designed to be thought of as a "place" - have you ever heard anyone say "I come from
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I strongly advise you to not mischaracterise content disputes as vandalism. Personally I do not really care about the article, but I do care about people wrongly calling other people vandals. I think you owe Wik an apology for the namecalling.
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I go and see if the council is called a district or a borough council. Of course, this doesn't help for the ones just called council. I suppose there is a list somewhere. I will make (district) redirect to (borough) for every one eventually.
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However, people also tick that box when uploading fair use images, noncopyrighted images, etc, where they copyright holder definitely hasn't uploaded under GFDL. Maybe the upload text to state that (or slashing and burning and replacing)
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I don't see why city status for a borough makes any difference. If Coventry should be about the borough, then so should Walsall and Dudley. This is why I have carefully avoided splitting articles about metropolitan boroughs so far.
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Maps are easy - they will both show Stockton up to, or down to, the Tees. Estimating the areas & populations may take a little longer - the latest report of the Boundary Committee for England on ward boundaries should help.
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a county at some deep legal level? I'm thinking of all the other weird (to me) ones that have popped up in the 90s which seem often to be the names of towns, Darlington or whatever - are they all actually legal counties too? -
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Have been offered to "...show this picture on Knowledge for one calendar year...". Could you tell me whether this is worth the effort, and how to enforce that it's not used by any third party, and not used past the time limit.
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Actually I've heard there are plans to merge the Coventry and Warwickshire police forces, as apparently Warwickshire police force is one of the smallest in the country and is not viable, I dont know if you've heard anything
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I have to say those new box thingies youve been putting in are very ugly, especially on short articles, isn't there some way that say they could be collapsed as defualt but openable, rather like you can collapse TOC's.
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covers it reasonably well. All the unitary authorities apart from the metropolitan boroughs and the districts of Berkshire are counties in their own right. I'm not sure we need to mention this everywhere, though.
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morayshire has not been entirely forgotten by the beaurocrats! In other words, the lieutenacy area created in 1996 seems to have been based on an area which has not been used for administration since 1889...
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Hi. I was wondering if you know how you are planning to map County Durham and North Yorkshire, where they split the borough of Stockton-on-Tees between them ceremonially? Morwen 16:34, May 3, 2004 (UTC)
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Have you given up on this disgussion or something?. Actually having thought about it regarding Dudley. If Dudley (borough) were to become a city, then it might be better to use the arrangement used with
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in 1844. It certainly didn't become part of the 'admninistrative county' of Northumberland in 1844 since no such beast was created until 1888. We could perhaps invent a new type of county, but that
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If Dudley were made a city then the seperate articles about Stourbridge etc could still exist as long as they said they were part of the city of D, in the same way the Sutton Coldfield article does.
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Thanks, for your fast answer, and thank you that you will send me a comment in case of an update. As I recognised yesterday, the swedish language version also uses some (or all?) of your maps. Bye,
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I wasn't refering to the maps their OK, I was refering to the region boxes. I apologise if I've caused offence, I was tired and in a bad mood that day and perhaps could have been a bit more polite.
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I understand your position, and now accept that the administrative counties should be primary. However, for your own sake, you will find that most traditionalists will amend the following:
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I dont know where you've got that idea from, why would I want to remove your maps?. I dont know what you mean by "making it up as you go along" you havn't answered any of my above points.
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WRT your response to my changing the description of from town to city, I've thought about it and also looked at previous discussion of this issue on your talk page. My question is: what
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Fantastic work on the maps, and on creating stubs for all those districts and traditional Scottish counties. Given your map-drawing talents, is there any chance of some maps showing the
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Er yes I do actually, I dont get it surely common sense dictates that coventry should be about the city of coventry, surely that is what people will expect when they look up 'Coventry'
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What I am incapable of doing is updating the maps. Are you up for the task of finding out what the borders of Daikondi province and adding the borders to each of the province maps and
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Legally, administratively and practically, I would suggest that the town and the city are one, or else the town cannot exist! I am (always) very much open to counterarguments, though!
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May I ask why you are aiding known vandal Wik in distorting the page? As the talk page illustrates Swinemünde is a far more common name. Take a look at the page history, Wik has added
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Morwen, where did you get the maps for the Scottish regions and unitary authorities from? Would it be possible to get some for the 8 electoral regions for the Scottish Parliament?
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one! Why hide useful information? Leaving out the costal context might be OK for land locked or completely borderless countries, but in a case like Indonesia it's just confusing.
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A compromise I had been trying to using is "traditionally with the borders of". However, this got reverted to "is within the traditional county of" as it apparently 'misleading'.
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I agree the York thing is a bit of an anomaly, but it seems that this local government stuff is such a complete mess that whatever we do we create a certain number of anomalies.
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I don't like city status determining whether we split or not. If, say, Dudley were to be granted city status in 2005, would you then agree to merging the articles? What about
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Surely there are two entities known as 'Dudley' the town of D and the borough which consists of several towns, therefore it is logical that they should have seperate articles.
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I'm just transferring the articles about the provinces in Afghanistan to the German Knowledge. I appreciate your maps very much. Please allow me one request and one remark:
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Oh, ok. I am so sorry for my mistake. I usually take care to write "his/her" or "he/she" when I refer to somebody I don't know, but I had the wrong impression you were a boy.
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Thanks very much for your feedback last night on the question of how to deal with country subdivisions. I noticed that there was a bit of a gap between the country format at
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That seems fine to me. We could do with an overall article on these types of things - the Nottingham metropolitan area is quite huge, for example. I think I will start one.
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Thanks for your great work on the maps, but some of them seem to be missing -- perhaps due to WikiMedia software problems? -- will you upload and fix them again? Sorry. --
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Far Eastern federal district (and leave information not relevant to the federal district but relevant to the Russian Far East on the Russian Far East page), Siberia -: -->
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Well firstly, I have no objection to your maps, you have obviously put a lot of work into them. I only want to see them put in the right place where they are applicable.
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geography. In absence of a good way of determining that doesn't rely on untested assumptions about what 'everyone thinks' i think we should just leave them unsplit.
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IMO if a place has city status it should be treated as a single place, whereas ordinary local government boroughs which have no identity should be treated as just that
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Here's the link I used to find out about Nolan, it's got pretty much every holder of a peerage in the UK and Ireland through history. May take a while to load though!
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Very nice maps, I think too! Do you have any tip to give me, I'm thinking about doing the same map of Sweden counties (or whatever they are translated into english,
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As someone who raised objections as to bias in an earlier version of the article, do you agree that the NPOV dispute tag can now be removed from the reworked page?
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article, what criteria are you using to decide when to split city articles. To be honest I'm not to keen on city articles being split unless it's really neccesary
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No such a thing as the "Coventry Metropolitan area" officially exists, although it effectively does in real life so should it be described as such do you think?.
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Please don't go away for long! You are well respected and trusted here, by me I know, and by many others also. Please let me know if I can help with anything.
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and the handful of national subdivisions that have so far been defined. I've had a go at drafting a new WikiProject for country subdivisions - it's currently at
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were historically seperate towns from Birmingham until 1889, and for many years the redidents of Edgebaston and Aston resented being made part of Birmingham.
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Apparently so: /td Optional in HTML. Required in XHTML. I guess they can all be changed automatically should wikipedia ever decide to point to a new DTD... --
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Newbie: Why do you keep reverting the edit's to Milton Keynes? I have lived in MK all my life, and believe what I have to say is authoritative. Please help!
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There's no point having this discussion - you are making it up as you go along, and I have a suspicion this is motivated by an attempt to remove my maps.
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Good work on the seperating districts and towns. Just wondering, when naming the articles, how do you decide which are districts and which are boroughs?
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Hello. Might I ask why you have noted the screenshots of Pokemon games as GFDL? I presume you don't own the copyright to the games or the characters?.
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I don't know if there's an English version but you can see the names on the right hand side and they seem to be fairly accurate to me (and up to date). --
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Common sense dictates that Coventry and Birmingham should be about the cities, that is certainly what most people mean when they look up those articles.
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Thanks again Morwen for the counties of Albania. I've been kinda busy so I haven't gotten around to doing much. You're doing a hell of a job though!!!
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OK and thanks. I will not worry about the general situation! I might try and clarify it where I see it as unclear but there again I might not... :)
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the precise date of the appointment which is in the House of Commons Information Paper. I also have a list of the appointments from 1944 to 1958.
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it's own article. It will prove far more flexible in the long run. I thought about doing so myself, but didn't want to start another "move war".
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I've created articles for most of the provinces of Bulgaria. It still needs some work, but do you know where the "maps available" are? Thanks,
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I think it's fairly self-evident that there are other people besides Michael deserving of being blocked, but thought I'd reiterate anyway. -
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Regarding other stuff I'm saying each case should be treated differently depending on the circumstances, I havn't changed my mind as such.
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if we can't use them, neither can de, which i got the image from. I note that we have absolutely thousands of images that aren't GFDL.
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the German transcription is slightly different from the English. So the numerical order doesn't not correspond to the alphabetical order.
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officially. Do you think I should add it? after all it is common on articles about cities to add the population of the surrounding areas
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Also I have a few rights to photos of airline planes from their owners but since my computer has little memory I cant post them. I have
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Pradesh.png instead of IndiaAndhraPradesh.png in the german Knowledge. In a few case the english and german orthographie differs (Rajast
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Just wondering, what should be done when the district/borough consists of the town of the same name and nothing much else, such as with
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I've added a lengthy gazetteer of places, areas, localities and transportation links (all pointing to other Knowledge articles) to
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What tool(s) do you use to produce them and where do you get the data from? I think I may start doing some of Spain, for example.
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Ah. Thank you. Oh dear - it's more complicated than I thought. Isn't it always? I've corrected the error I introduced in Stockton.
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ears but I acknowledge it is not impossible. Could you please educate me about the logic behind this language? Thanks very much
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Ah, so how did you figure out which are 'most commonly associated' or are you basing it upon what _you yourself associate with?
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York (ie. the urban area) had outgrown its previous borders, and it was considered desirable to keep it under unified control.
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I'll help you out. I also found a nice graphic presentation of each county at the Unemployment Office web site, for example at
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to make it say its not a city, but the borough it is part of, is? The other question is where do we draw the line. Should
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Hi Morwen, I noticed you've added {{msg:South_Asia}} in the India page. Where do I get a complete list of the {{}} options ?
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agree the present Dudley/Walsall articles are far from satisfactory - trying to cover two seperate entities on one article.
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I'm gonna do that once I've finished my entire lot. By the way, what do you think I ought to be doing with districts like
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I had been considering that. More worrying to me is how hard it is to see some of the provinces. I added zoom maps for
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Of course I'm uploading mine - I haven't got yours to upload. If yours are better replace mine - it's a wiki after all.
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images, but after we've tagged them all we will probably get rid of most of them and declare a small minority fair use.
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page is for Lewes district and not the town of Lewes. I presume that a similar issue occurs o a number of other pages.
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be? An article about the town or the borough/city? And what should it have been before Wolverhampton became a city?
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You are welcome - in future you can use the 'move this page' feature, which is on the left hand side of the screen.
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I have no particulra opinion. I could remember the first but not the second. Probably the latter would be better.
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I notice that some Malaysian states have maps, others don't. Just a reminder in case you forgot to complete this. --
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Thanks. You're right, the page needs more depth - like almost every page in Knowledge - so feel free to contribute!
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Hi - i'm back - on colossus. Using mozilla 1.1 which doesn't have chatzilla. Will sort out an IRC client in a bit.
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I'm going to let someone else fight that battle. This IP seems to be making OKish edits to other articles though.
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do some for me but I was wondering if you could help too, cause I dont want to throw all the work on Arp's lap!
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We seem to be using GFDL as the default for images that they have taken, as that's the box that they've ticked.
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No I haven't quit IRC - but you saw that IRC was causing mozilla to crash. I will go and find a better client.
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Sorry to bore you but I've noticed we might have another traditional counties saga: Look at the edits of User
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An IP claims to be the user who posted it and also to be the original copyright holder. I think that's ok.
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Thanks for restoring the text, I can only guess for some reason my browser did not send the full text across.
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It seems rather unlikely that it would, but I surpose logically I would, there has after all been a precedent
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the average reader. I probably should have disgussed it with you first instead of removing it so I apologise.
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I was merely wondering if their was a better way too arrange them, to make them smaller. For instance on the
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One example doesn't prove anything. Of course the term is used in the other meaning as well by some people.
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mix-up. Thanks for your help. Can you explain to me what the best way to handle that type of situation is ?
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make some of the articles make more sense to those of us who have no conception of where some things are. --
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Sorry to fill your talk page with spam, but thought I'd drop a line thanking you for all the maps. =] They
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should have been about the town until the borough achieved city status, when it should have been moved to
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Ross-shire with Harris in Inverness-shire. I've never seen Lewis used as a name for the entire island.
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uninformed American admin can do to give you any assistance on the county issue, please do let me know.
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That's not the process documented for getting authorization. (I wrote "Passion of the Christ"... ;) -
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Argh, I just noticed that we didn't pinpoint all the problems with Croatian county maps. For instance,
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Dear Morwen: Hi! You accidentally blocked me when blocking the Michael IPs can you please unblock me?
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the Zadar county no longer includes that much of Lika, but includes southern part of the island of Pag
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A last disturb :-) In the german Knowledge you can find the "prototype image" for brasilian states:
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yes, I have been seeking them and splitting the pages. In some cases its not obvious what to do -
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Don't you mean 1975, not 1889 there? But yes, the lieutancies of Scotland are rather bizarre.See
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I added the new province, but I indented it, so that the numbers would still align with the map.
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Thanks for your prompt fixing of vandalism to the Bush page! They've really been at it today...
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about mistake in ascribing a couple of exclaves. The rest are much improved, however; very good!
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Greetings Morwen. Poor form indeed, but the Beatles did not put an apostrophe in the name of the
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image markup etc so the Oxford page is still a mess, I'm hoping someone else will sort that out.
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I forget where, but there was another one where someone had replaced the map with a link saying
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Much better! Thanks. I don't think there's any need to include the rest of New Guinea, it was
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where the council is called X city council, but covers towns other than X. I see three options
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where the 86 were actually used for Lord-Lieutenancy all at the same time, and no others were.
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the problem would only be worse. I will reconsider, possibly redrawing it with thinner lines.
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metropolitan boroughs should be treated differently to normal boroughs, unless their cities.
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gently. The maps are perfectly good looking and to hide them from initial view would be silly.
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conserning the issue. The person who vandalized the page have attacked articles dealing with
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around here. I'd like to put this on VfD and strongly argue that it goes. What do you think?
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which is a superset of the various county displays at presnet, but wouldn't want to stage a
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Do you know if there is an infobox standard for English counties? I've put up a proposal at
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Apologies for my ramble. I may have had a point when I started; if so I have forgotten it.
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maybe twice. I'd love to rename them in a more uniform manner (e.g., Central Russia -: -->
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the area around Nasice is now part of the Osijek-Baranja county rather than Pozega-Slavonia
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Thanks a bunch! I didn't know these messages were editable. Learned something today! --
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Grey and cloudy. Will take some tomorrow as I am going to a computer shop at Edgware Rd.
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There is a small problem with the maps you uploaded for North and South Yemen; they show
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perfectly logical to me. I wasn't aware that there was a separate town of Wolverhampton
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OK, but does the CIA include the borders of England Counties? or do you do it by hand?
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Thankyou. I shall go and update the smaller maps in due course (probably tomorrow).
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You haven't answered my question, would you merge Dudley if it achieved city status?
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Well, because you keep changing your mind about whether city status is magic, etc..
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Very nice work you are doing on the subdivisions of countries and their maps. I am
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You are blocking people that aren't Michael. Why don't you be a bit more careful?
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Coventry is a bad example. What about Wolverhampton? By your current argument,
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I think Borough of Guildford is a good format. It would also fit well with the
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Wow, awesome work on the Afghan maps! Seeing them has filled me with great joy!
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I don't know why you are removing my maps. However, its pretty clear you are
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be about the town of Bradford and another article be about the city/borough?
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I found another map in the internet, that shows some changes in the area of
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abstract entity called "York" within another one called the "City of York"?
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I've left a semi-coherent question for you about districts and boroughs at
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other related Knowledge articles. See if you can think of any more. ;-) --
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area, Coventry is the tenth largest city in England, and is a twin city to
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I have tagged tens of times more images than you, so ner-ner-ner-ner-ner.
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The other inconsistency is with how we treat London Boroughs. IF we have
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Sorry to bore you Morwen but I was wondering if you could help me out at
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have Canterbury be about the city/borough of Canterbury, have it link to
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Thats not always practical, there often isn't much to say about a place.
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silently. This is evidenced by the rejection of claims that places like
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inverness-shire). Explain that! I can't, but it certainly suggests that
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Look - you may have better ones than me - and I may have missed some.
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Sigh, OK, thanks, I'll go change them...wish they'd asked us first :)
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Is there any chance of having some of your wonderful outline maps for
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resolved? Was there proof of copyright permission provided? Thanks -
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article something about the population of the surrounding area. like:
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that I had issues with first, and just having those few milimeters of
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Secondly I've just noticed the following: Interestingly, the current
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to the Wolverhampton and West Midlads articles which I have reverted
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Yeah - zonked this morning - just finishing my coffee then going in.
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Sorry but I'm really going to have to move the Coventry article back
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The box stays. If you want to help improve the design, feel free.
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Hello Morwen. I "stole" all your very good looking India maps (i.e.
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Thanks for fixing the dodgy markup of the table. You beat me to it!
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Do you happen to have the same problem, or even a solution to it :)
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have Canterbury about the city/town of Canterbury, have it link to
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Thanks for the maps on the districts of Albania Morwen. Good job!
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There is maybe a quite reliable source for the borders on de the
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Did you get to the bottom of the East Sussex, West Sussex thing?
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And yes, I'm lecturing again. But I don't charge admission ;-).
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by implementing this if there is another standard somewhere. --
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Still a bit rough. What did you rebrand them as? wealthmaster?
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I'm not entirely sure I agree with your decision to split the
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Imperial College Electrical and Electronic Engineering Society
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Imperial College Electrical and Electronic Engineering Society
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have Canterbury about the town of Canterbury, have it link to
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census) around 800,000 people live in the wider Coventry and
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I think you're right. I've always thought the opposite of a
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Why did you revert 66.32.141.50's edits? They seem correct.
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Just as we thought we'd put the counties thing to bed......
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the Sibenik-Knin county includes the Knin area (obviously :)
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rm map this is already shown on the Greater Manchester page
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concerning "Blank Map tracings from copyrighted maps". --
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respectively? I'd need three maps, one of each region. --
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is a single place? I see. Well, what do you think about
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as an independent country, which it wasn't until 1993. -
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shouldn't link to the town, even if that seems obvious.
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hmir instead of Jammu and Kashmir. Would be very glay,
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Is there a seperate town of 'Coventry' I don think so.
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I believe that we need to synchronize maps fully with
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Thanks for zapping the vandalism on my userpage. --
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I'll redo everything from scratch soon.  :( 2838:I have changed all province articles that read 1304:it and find info about this Ukranian region :) 1014:seem to be mixed up in your Pakistani maps. -- 938:Hi Morwen, looks like there was a typo in the 3378:Sheffield is a place in the City of Sheffield 2881:. Daikondi was the most northern district of 2022:Sorry if this is a terrible bore for you! :) 1252:Because it made the next sentence nonsense. 1212:Сою́з Сове́тских Социалисти́ческих Респу́блик 3348:Sorry - redirected while you were deleting. 3301:Morwen, can you please clarify copyright re 1391:Also, don't forget to change the links from 1845:should try to get other people's opinions. 1518:. It's a completely different article than 1028:Talk:Zviad Gamsakhurdia#Request for Comment 3308:has a problem with it. See discussion at 2741:unvandalized version as soon as possible. 187:Hi Morwen. I'm writing because you edited 3281:I like your cool-looking inset maps like 1176:Understood, I was a bit bad-tempered too. 291:. Sorry I didn't notice this sooner :/ -- 2852:Template:Footer Provinces of Afghanistan 1522:, and the term has a different meaning. 2349:wouldn't it be an improvement to move 2090:is going to set a new format for them. 1393:List of English districts by population 420:whereas they will (probably) not amend 14: 3249:help would be appreciated! Thanks. -- 1347:I don't, in fact. Thanks. I fixed it. 200:See talk page. I agree it is silly. 3226:Knowledge:WikiProject UK Subdivisions 3199:. So shouldent the article be split? 3027:Knowledge:Naming conventions (places) 2565:User talk:ChrisO/Country subdivisions 1675:Simple enough question - what should 965:Sgt. 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What about someone from 734:Thanks from the known vandal. -- 562:. With a population of 300,848 ( 2879:http://www.fao.org/afghanistan/ 2734:Knowledge:Vandalism in progress 2728:You've unfortunately protected 1909:, which was even more bizarre. 1586:too? Shall we do the same for 426:traditional counties of England 370:Knowledge:Neutral point of view 2823:Afghanistan has a new province 2618:an instead of Rajastan, Jammu 1667:Now you've completely lost me 1379:Yes, definitely addictive :-) 802:Oops. I always make that one. 647:is better than redirecting to 470:multiplies entities needlessly 413:was formerly in the county of 13: 1: 3376:I see your point, but saying 2900:Maps Provinces of Afghanistan 2863:Image:AfghanistanNumbered.png 2805:Sulu, Suuruu, and Mister Kato 2714:Media:RussiaVolgaNumbered.png 1044:London Borough of Southwarkto 985:"Traditional" counties again! 3303:Image:John Maynard Smith.jpg 2604:image:IndiaAndhraPradesh.png 2576:History of British socialism 1749:, should we merge that with 1649:Wolverhampton, Wolverhampton 1375:Districts of England (again) 1275:Re: "move this page" feature 959:No apostrophe in Sgt Peppers 838:Leigh Rayment's Peerage Page 7: 2946:Antonio Reeejected!! 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