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2867:(de-ping)Dirtlawyer1}} I think ancient primary sources hold a special status because coverage in that period (and the preservation of that coverage) indicates a high importance of the discussed topic, even if only a few lines. Personally I think Olympics notability criteria is very generous and I agreed with Hyphantes that there are also many modern Olympic athletes whose articles will contain nothing more than their minor part in an Olympic event. I would rather see these redirected and in a list too, but I think I'm in the minority on that point. My opinion is that if you can cover someone's entire biography in a single competition article, then it's not really worth writing a stand-alone article for them. It's not a problem I personally encounter a lot as I tend to work from a starting point of some notability (though even then I sometimes find 3847:

alignment is driving this, there are two simple solutions: either (1) state the athlete's name on one line, and then the flag icon and country on a second, or (2) use a separate column for the athlete's name, a second column for the flag icon and country. I have seen both formats used in existing articles. The first is typically used in swimming world record articles. My position is that the readability and primacy of the athlete's name should take precedence over secondary information such as nationality and flag. I think this is an example were the presence of the flag -- coupled with the desire for a compact table format -- is driving bad layout and design, and a very illogical order of the data presented.

2219:(de-ping)Epeefleche}} I guess we're reading the same thing in different ways. For me, when I say something "should" be done in the context of a one-to-one conversation on my talk page, I'm not anticipating uninvolved third parties to read that as a formal pronouncement of policy or community-wide consensus. I would interpret it as nothing more than something some guy said on his user page. I don't really see how giving a solicited response to one person on my talk page constitutes preaching. If you're unhappy with the category discussion outcome, then please raise request a review of it from the closing admin or at the categories for discussion page, which is the proper venue for getting community-wide input. 4804: 1787:(page link) that lets you know whenever someone newly links to an article you've created. One of the benefits of being a big content creator is that many new links come flying in to me this way, especially so with competition pages. Anything that pops up in my feed, I'll do some basic tweaks to make sure images, basic biographical facts, and categories are all there. I find this an interesting way of keep up to date – I'm glad you're happy about it, because others could construe my constant appearance as harassment! On the last point about categories, I'm building the gendered athlete categories slowly this way. I 2249:

to Australia and not part of broader study of either Australian Jews or Jewish sportspeople in general (the parent categories here)." But there are in fact many articles and books that discuss Jewish Australian sportspeople, and Jewish Australian sportspeople have also been sending teams to the Maccabiah Games for the better part of a century, and Jewish Australian athletes won 42 medals at the Maccabiah Games -- the third-most of all delegations. I think the deletion discussion was started with (and based on) an inaccurate assertion by you -- and you failed to discuss those sources or the Maccabiah Games.

2270:(de-ping)Epeefleche}} Yes, I was unable to locate supporting material while you did, but neither did the four other editors party to that public discussion. I contacted the category creator as part of the nomination as well. I'm not sure what you expect from me here, short of infallibility. If you feel that me expressing my opinion to you on my talk page (in a conversation you began here, might I add) is intentionally misleading to other readers then you have misunderstood the purpose of usertalk pages. You have successfully exhausted my goodwill with your above statements and that is very sad. 4670: 3781: 3644: 3510: 3338: 3310: 4396:(de-ping)CroesJ}} I'm very sorry to hear that you are not well. You should be proud of what you have contributed here, and your volunteering is something I hold in high esteem! If possible, it might be a good idea to investigate using voice apps to continue to write prose. If your ability to write on Knowledge is diminishing, then it might be a good time to put something brief about what you value, who you are, what you hope to achieve etc. on your user page. That way, people in future will be able to see and understand what led to you creating so much. 3818: 3749: 390: 3317:, and it does not put the athlete's national flag (secondary data point) in front of the athlete's name (primary data point). Technically, the template is redundant; semantically, the template places the secondary data first, and separates the flag from its three-letter national abbreviation. That's why I was asking SFB, who is one of the most frequent editors of our international games articles, and a bit of an expert on point, why these templates are necessary, or even somewhat better than our generic flag icon templates. 396: 402: 3427:: the flag comes first because this allows for alignment of the images. If we place the name first then the images appear at a variety of different vertical spaces (given the wide difference in name lengths), which is ultimately less readable and more distracting to the eye and clearly the reason for that design in the first place (rather than a relevance order). Unlike the name, the flag image is of a predictable and (almost) exclusively equivalent size. See example below for logic-based horror. 4445:(de-ping)A.sav}} Hi A.sav! Thanks for sending me a message. That is correct – "former" or "retired" should come after the nationality. The logic is that Irina Slyusar is (still) a Ukrainian person who used to be an athlete. Personally, I prefer using "former" instead of "retired" because it suggests the person is now doing other things, as most sportspeople do (i.e. their current occupation is not sitting at home, being retired from sport). Some suggestions around this are located at the 1824:

would go a long way in adding identifiable visual content to thousands of people's articles. Despite the "open for anyone to edit", people still feel like there is a barrier. If we had one button with stripped down options to upload a self-taken, public domain image, then I think we'd get a lot more. Young famous (and not so famous) people are particularly used to this kind of thing on Twitter and Facebook etc. I'll have a think about this because I think I've quite a powerful idea here!

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practice". I believe it would help readers if you clarified it. Otherwise, it looks as though you are over-stating the case, which ultimately weakens confidence in what you state, and which of course you have not wish to do. And especially when newcomers are involved -- they may well be misled by a "pronouncements" as to what "should" happen, or at the very least feel someone sought to mislead them, as they failed to clarify that it was simply their personal view. IMHO. Best.

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imperial. While microscopic, it is always inverted priority, so the converted metric is always wrong in order to get the correct Imperial distance. Since the source originated in Imperial, the rounding should go 1 cm less. I'm not sure I will even be able to remember each of these situations I have had to deal with in the past, but they keep coming up as I search our wiki landscape. So my specific request: Create a T&Fcalc like template from Imperial to Metric.

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Brazilian national team, and was told that this is the name that will be worth from now , would you change the name of the Maracanã page on wikipedia for ' Mario Filho Stadium ' ? (official name of the stadium ) , what counts is how it will be called and is being called Nilton Santos Stadium , and all the facts are explained in the wikipedia article, just ask that no longer change the name , let ' Estádio Nilton Santos ' . Thank you very much.

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flag icons should be reserved for the sporting nationality/national team of athletes in international competition (i.e., the countries that the athletes represent), and not used willy-nilly for every creative use associated with a city, country or other geographic location that our sports editors can imagine. I ask that you support me in this, and help discourage the rampant over-use of flag icons in our international sports articles.

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Hidden text messages meed to be added about using non-free images for living persons, non-referenced nicknames need to be reviewed and most removed ("Snuffy"?). A lot of the older ones aren't even using the appropriate infobox. Anyway, you get the idea. Four to ten years of accumulated cruft and worse. Needs critical human eyes to do it right. I'm adding them to my watch list after review to prevent recurrence.

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gives an artificial impression that the category is being actively maintained. There are thousands upon thousands of articles this category would impact. People need to get the lethargy around it. In my opinion, you'd be assuming the outcome of the discussion to add it en masse (if one knows the discussion is occurring of course). Why not wait for an outcome before doing so? IMO, that is the better practice.

3886:). That brevity is the main reason I use it in those circumstances (given athletics has 120+ medallists for each major competition). Also, it's worth bearing in mind that there is clear consensus in separate styling for nation and athlete in results articles, as in lists of this kind that format is easily the most useful – particularly given the lesser space constraints and the benefits of allowing sorting (e.g. 4052:). I just tend to pick off the most egregious cases, because I know my view point on the whole system is a minority one. Editors who work in such areas often attach a lot of importance to these overly niche articles/categories and I find it's more amenable to all to just let people get on with it and only wade in when the effects worsen the main topic areas. That said, some editors probably don't find 4889: 4773: 4400: 2192: 2129: 906: 1183:(de-ping)Dodoïste}} Hmmmm. Normally this is the way to attract attention to discussions but I think you're right that these are just too disruptive given the smallness of the templates and their use in tables. I will put the nominations in a "noinclude" to stop this. Hopefully people realise sometimes it's better to spare users such hassle and let the broadcasting of the discussion suffer instead! 929:{Fayenatic london} then I guess it's OK if I remove the category from pages since it's redundant to several other categories? It's my experience that category discussions should run their course before people start assuming a final decision. Also, if kept, a sub-category structure diffusing to the 50 states will be needed. A bot cannot do that, that is man hours by editors like me. 4017:

championships. Some editors will cast this difference as an issue of "fairness" in coverage; my reaction is that we don't really need stand-alone articles for countries/national teams that produce two or three B-standard swimmers who don't advance beyond the first round of qualifying heats. How you translate that into an objective notability standard, well, I'm not sure.

3198:. But still, I don't think the current shooters arrangement is a particularly helpful one for navigation, given the relative usefulness of simply gendered and non-gender-nationality categories. The skiing one seems ideal in that it groups a smallish number of women in the sport together without overly dividing further to gender+nationality when not helpful numbers-wise. 1639:(de-ping)PeeJay2K3}} I suppose it comes down to whether you define "foremost" through a subjective reputational assessment or via circulation. As the best-selling sport-specific periodical in Britain, FFT certainly has the props on the latter while the longer-establised and ESM-member World Soccer probably fits the former (albeit with a significantly lower readership). 3957:(de-ping)Dirtlawyer1}} These all look like good sensible changes to me. Flags are a needless attraction when we're just describing a location in a table. Certainly in sports events the host city is a much more definitive piece of information, and emphasising the country over that is not a good choice. I've done the same changes on the IAAF world series of events (e.g. 1398:. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Knowledge. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Knowledge (see 2292:

capabilities. And talk page discussions are of course open to viewing by the public. I'm simply talking about how in these two instances -- unintended by you of course -- your words could easily sway others to think there was more behind them that really existed, and thus improperly influence them. More care would be helpful. That's all. Best.

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topic." That's not what our consensus guideline calls for. You could seek to have it changed, but I would anticipate a chilly reaction. And we should nominate based on guidelines, not on personal non-consensus views ... IMHO, of course. Furthermore, it's not only at odds with our guidelines, it is at odds with practice by the WP community.

1848:(de-ping)Trackinfo}} Maybe so :) We'll see where this all ends up. I'm increasingly more conscious that things like this are driving a wedge between Western and Russian people. Hopefully the corrupt are rooted out before things get much worse – Cold War I wasn't enjoyable for anyone and it certainly doesn't warrant a sequel! 1676: 2436:, and ask him for a football editor's perspective -- WP:FOOTY is ultimately going to have make the decision or otherwise cooperate on a resolution of this. It goes without saying that the new medal icons are graphically inconsistent with the color bar text blocks for "Winner," "Runner-up" and "Playoffs." 3254:

SFB, is there some reason we have special flag icon templates for particular international games, e.g., the Pan American Games, Asian Games? Also, isn't it odd that they/we are placing the athlete's national flag before the athlete's name -- given that the athlete's linked name is the more important

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From working with Olympic swimmers, I can tell you that in practical application NOLYMPICS is ridiculously over generous in its extension of the presumption of notability to all Olympic participants. It should have been automatic for medalists, with a presumption for finalists, but the idea that all

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Anyway, among the other AfD/notability subtleties that are barely mentioned in the Pantacles discussion are the depth of coverage in the cited hard-copy references (one sentence or two?), and the fact that several of the ancient sources may be properly characterized as primary, not secondary sources.

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Hi, yes, the name of the stadium still remains Havelange, unfortunately involved in crimes with ISL , but the official trade name , approved in the official gazette by the mayor of Rio de Janeiro, since 2015 is Nilton Santos Stadium, a Brazilian idol world champion of 1958 and 1962 World Cup with the

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on your radar. As the investigation into the various Russian doping scandals expands, he's the guy at the top. A lot of people think the is complicit, even if that is not the finding, he's still the guy at the top of the food chain and will be a name in the news. I've sat on this for a while until

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the main problem is that the edit link goes to the redirect page, rather than the template. this confuses newbie editors who then proceed to fork the template, overwriting the redirect. I would love to have the template/module detect this, but apparently, it's very expensive for a template/module to

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which allows for easier comparison of heat times and overall rankings, but I don't think either option is the "wrong" one. I have moved the marathon articles to use small "m" as we talk of people being marathon runners, not Marathon runners. It's not a proper noun, although capital "M" was previously

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Hey, SFB. Quick question for you: have you created many Olympic swimmer articles in the past? If so, would you be willing to take responsibility for upgrading your own swimmer article to the current standardized version of Infobox swimmer and related uniform formatting? Please let me know. About

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I see this problem throughout the sports projects -- editors are simply unable to discern the difference between the United States, Australia, Canada, Great Britain, Brazil, China, France, Germany, Russia, etc., at the 2012 Olympics, and Bahamas, Burundi, Ghana, and Nicaragua, etc., at the 2015 FINA

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And 2) I think it is misleading for you to state as a fact that something "should" be done, when consensus is that there is no "should" in our guidelines or practice, but it is instead your anti-consensus view. I would urge you to clarify it as being your view, when you use words like "should" in wp

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with them. You may have noticed in "categories for discussions" that I rarely refer back to policy and often just say how I feel about the category. I feel it's a more open way of discussing things, is easier for newcomers to understand, and hopefully the off-pitch style makes me a few friends along

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article and recreation of the category based on this supporting material. Personally, I feel Knowledge would be better served by a greater focus on dual category/article content creation on topics rather than heading into very narrow category definitions when the key article remains non-existent. It

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In the case of people like Balakhnichev around this scandal, they might not want to send in a selfie. All the easier to be picked out of the police lineup. Maybe in Russia there won't be the perp walk with them trying to cover their face with their jacket while wearing handcuffs (I seriously think

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Hi SFB: I could cover the upcoming event held next weekend. However I don't know where to hook it. Some frame/structure like "Panamerican Olympic Festival", "2014 Panamerican Olympic Festival", "Athletics at the Panamerican Olympic Festival", navboxes, categories,... has to be generated and hooked

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Fayenatic london Thanks for the invitation! Having given this a bit of thought I will have to politely decline at this time. Many of my recent category nominations/discussions have involved quite high level or long-standing traditions (e.g. what is a defining attribute, location and year categories,

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Wish you had. If it were just about trading out old parameters for new, we probably could use a bot. But the flag icons are being moved from the medals table to the "national team" parameter, and all of the British swimmer infoboboxes need to be reviewed for appropriate nationality and flag use.

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originally used in the older FINA world championship articles, but had become quite common among the post-2000 event articles. Today I took the time to strip them from all FINA event infoboxes and navboxes in which the flags were used for event locations and/or host countries. In sports articles,

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Okay, SFB. That's exactly what I suspected was going on: the perceived need for consistent alignment is driving the flag-athlete-country order. Putting the flag first is a semantic fail; separating the flag and country name is contrary to best practice under MOS:FLAG and also a semantic fail. If

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Repeating my thanks for creating the T&Fcalc template. I use it frequently, and probably should use it more. Can you do the same in reverse? Here in the U.S.A., there are still, today, meets measuring records in Imperial, much less other meets of the past I have detected measured a record in

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The other two issues I'm raising here, because I think this is the better place, are: 1) You nominated for deletion a Jewish/nation/sports category "Jewish Australian sportspeople" asserting "I have been unable to locate any material which studies Jewish people in a sports context that is specific

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You posted the photos free of rights, I see. How do you determine which of IAAF's photos are released in such a fashion? I didn't see any special notation. Can we use others? There are so many athletes articles with no pictures, IAAF can certainly supplement a lot of that if what is on IAAF.org

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CroesJ Hi there! I noticed references to this event, but only now have I read enough material to understand what it is. It just seems like a test/development event rather than a competition proper. On that basis I don't think it warrants the same level of coverage as something like the Pan American

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I think if I get involved in the closure side of CFD, at this moment, fellow editors may perceive me as having some form of greater say in category discussions than those not so involved. I don't want that to be the case – I want people to engage with just the logic of my reasoning, not my position

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Of course, you're under no obligation to do any more than the extensive and much-appreciated work that you are doing already. I just wanted to give you the option to help out with CFD, as there is a general rule that only admins may close CFDs as delete/merge/rename (because only they can implement

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I was actually surprised not to see my own words quoted back to me in the Pantacles AfD. On several occasions, I have fielded questions from rookies who wanted to understand the WP:NOLYMPICS standard, and whether or not it applied to all Olympics participants. Of course, I explained that it did,

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My suggestion for the "disqualified" issue would be to fill square area surrounding the circular medal icon with a percentage screen of red, with a red diagonal bar drawn across the icon itself -- that screams intuitive. The disqualified option should also include a field for explanatory footnote

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so in that respect I'm very grateful. I think if Knowledge did a programme to get public domain images from the subjects themselves and raised it through the media then they would be overwhelmed with usable pictures. Well-taken photographs like Erik's are very useful, but often just a basic selfie

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All of Lampard's assists for Chelsea and Manchester City have been recorded on that website. On the site at top of the table on right side next to career click on 2014-15 then all the years Lampard has played for Chelsea will open. On that site the letter A in the table is for Assists and G is for

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For me, questioning the basic aspects of categorisation is very important task; I believe people easily forget that many parts of the structure have simply grown organically and were not always built with a great deal of thought or a wide consensus. I'm happy for people to question my motives, and

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I actually think this is a good alternative to flagathlete (and one that is already well-used) but it does have the consequence (contrary to your intention) of comparatively increasing the attention away from the athlete and towards the nation. Given an image, a full spelling of (and link to) the

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I think it is important for people weighing in on this discussion to see just how little energy has gone into populating this category in the last year. Adding it to an extra hundred or so pages - especially by editors who probably won't work on populating it long-term (not saying that is SFB) -

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Hi, I've noticed that a nomination to delete/merge a small category is quite often rejected - based on the exception rule that categories that are part of large established tree should never be deleted regardless of their small size. Do you know if there is any chance to get rid of this exception

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FYI, I also stripped the bottom-of-the-page succession boxes for FINA event locations from all of the FINA championship articles today. These old succession boxes duplicate the same information provided in the FINA championship navbox as well as the before and after links of the primary article

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As for the winner, runner-up and playoffs options for association football/soccer, I seriously question whether these should be included in a "medals" table at all. Having looked at several dozen footballer infoboxes that use these options, it also appears that many uses are for minor regional,

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That is the terrible thing about all of this. By making the most prominent sporting events based on national identity, we have caused political leaders of all stripes to trying to show their country's superiority athletically as a metaphor for their own superiority. And with all of them having

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Ugh - I've forgotten about this again. This is far from the only template I've moved recently. What is the impact of this? Having tested it out, I see the link still takes you to the navbox (rather than ending up at the hard redirect). Is it just that the view link won't show was black-bold when

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Marcocapelle Hi there! The only way to change this is to change people's minds – convince them that this is not a good reason. I think the cause of the issue is technical/cultural: articles are not contained in all relevant parents. If the contents are present in the parent, then the "small cat"

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does provide a background of specifically Australian Jewish sport, so that is a good place to start. That said, it does seem to be the only source you've linked which addresses the topic stand-alone, rather than as one part of a general history of Jewish sport or a general history of Australian

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Given the fact that the ALBA Games records aren't probably notable in and of themselves, I've gone and merged to the main page as you suggested (there was little content there anyway). Thanks for dropping me a message to let me know. Feel free to alert me of any other issues you have – if it's

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Oh -- the way you wrote it, it appeared you believed (or would have readers believe) that there was such a rule. Rather than it only being your personal point of view. Not reflected in the consensus-driven guideline. You wrote "an article should be created first to demonstrate the value of the

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page and the examples provided for the winner, runner-up and playoffs options. These were added to the template by a football editor in 2011. As you can see, we're going in a very different direction with the circular medal icons (as opposed to the old colored bars with "Gold," "Silver" and

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A suggestion -- while you've now put me on notice, I believe it is not a natural reading when one states: "an article should be created first to demonstrate the value of the topic", to understand that what you mean is "but this is my personal view, and not reflected in consensus guidelines or

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is viewed around 300 times more often than its category). I see similar things with navboxes sometimes too. I do value categories and have put lots of effort into sorting them out recently, but I find the prevalence of the "category only" approach somewhat undersells what we can achieve here.

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even to lose a few arguments, as long as we end up with a document of why the community feels something should be a certain way. Perhaps this is a bit of a cop out, but closure is definitely something I will consider when I am starting fewer or less controversial discussions myself. Thanks!

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national and subnational tournaments. Frankly, I wonder if WP:FOOTY has even sanctioned many of these minor tournament outcomes for inclusion; most of them do not appear to be medal competitions, so the use of the gold, silver and bronze background colors is inaccurate. I'm going to ping

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requirement, whereas you as nom are. Nor did they assert that they had conducted a search and come up empty ... which has the effect of influencing other editors as to the existence of material. I found material quickly simply using the normal google and google news and google books search

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Hi Sillyfolkboy. Please will you edit Frank Lampard's career statistics table. Put in the stats table Lampard's premier league assists also his assists in all competitions for Chelsea. This will improve his article. If I knew how to edit I would do it but I don't know how to. If you go on

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looks remarkably cleaner and more graphically refined, and we may now replace many of the artificially abbreviated place names and event descriptions that were previously employed to avoid line-wrapping within the medals tables. A couple of points remain to be discussed and resolved:

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You should wait til the discussion is over and the future of the category is determined before spending time adding it to articles. If the decision is to delete it then you are just creating more work to transition these over. Please wait til it is closed as "keep" before doing this.

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Actually, there is no such rule. There is no rule that an article should be created first to create the value of a topic before a category (or a list, for that matter) are created. In fact -- based on my experience -- most lists and categories do not have corresponding articles.

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No, the time of the first. Since that should be listed as soon as it is made. I just copy the generated code when I do that to make sure everything uses the same date, even if something is added the next day. The nomination time stamp should rule and not the tagging finish.

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CroesJ Hi there! Hope you're doing well. There has been mixed usage in terms of capitalisation. For some reason many athletics sources capitalise the various event names, including the marathon (e.g. 100m Hurdles, High Jump). From my perspective, these are not proper nouns (or

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You asserted in your nomination: "I have been unable to locate any material which studies Jewish people in a sports context that is specific to Australia and not part of broader study of either Australian Jews or Jewish sportspeople in general (the parent categories here)."

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Olympic athletes, including those that never made it out of the qualifying rounds are automatically generating sufficient coverage to satisfy GNG is a very flawed assumption. But then again, several of the other NSPORTS specific guidelines are also overly inclusive, too.

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for you. It's been slightly confusing for me to revisit the math, but I've been able to reuse some of the code from the original template to save my brain a little! Just to check if I've read your request right, here is a definition of what the new template is

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Nevertheless, with the current arrangement I also believe the "established tree" reason is used without much more investigation into the average category size in that tree. Many times I see 200+ tiny categories with one or two articles just because "American

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If it's clearly redundant to some pages, i.e. the redundancy is not disputed, then yes go ahead, so that the discussion can focus on the remaining contents. I was commenting on the general principle rather than the case mentioned in this section header. –

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Hi - yes as far as I was aware the only 'medals' that are displayed in the infobox for footballers/soccer players are international tournaments e.g. European Championship, World Cup, Olympics etc. - and not for domestic league/cup club honours.

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Hi SFB, you have probably noticed that there is a backlog of nominations needing closure at CFD. You seem to have a decent understanding of CFD, and if you would like to do Non-Admin Closures of any of the early ones outstanding on the list at

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I'm bringing these issues here first, SFB, because you (a) are obviously not opposed to change, and (b) have a good eye for better graphics. I would like to get on the same page with you before starting another template talk page discussion.

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That's fine, thanks for explaining a little of your thinking. Feel free to dip a toe in the water if you ever feel differently. Some of the overdue ones are not hard cases, but the current "regulars" are ruled out of closing them because we

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Also, sometimes people over-estimate the true article base for a topic. I recall arguing against another editor about why we should not have 220 male and 220 female nationality long jumper categories (the article base is only around 300!)

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for example). I think it is to do with the mental nature of many Knowledge editors. Certainly in the category system I see it extending to all closed-group topics where there is differing importance within the group (see for example my

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Double-line breaks do render so I stay away from them unless I want the line break to render. Compare my edit to your rollback and you will see they render the same. Your rollback accomplished nothing. Just a friendly FYI. Cheers!

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country, a 3-letter country code and its own line means the visual space of a medal table effectively becomes 50% nation-based. Volume of blue-linked text devoted (and attracting the eye) to nations is significantly increased (see

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Hi SFB! I noticed a mismatch between {{AthleticsLink|Marathon|Men}} pointing to "Event – Men's marathon" and {{ECMarathon}} pointing to "Event – Men's Marathon". I changed {{ECMarathon}} for the years of my recently created pages

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I think we're already tracking the Winner, Runner-up and Playoff options, right? I can't find those tracking categories now -- can you provide the links for the Snowman and the FOOTY guys? They're going to need them. Thanks.

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the way (maybe wishful thinking here!). I'm happy to be voted down should enough people think my viewpoint is a bit stupid, as long as I believe those people are driven by a desire to build interesting things for people to read.

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discussion has closed as a consensus "merge." The closing admin, SamWalton, identified four of the 40 articles for further talk page discussion whether they should be merged to the list or maintained as stand-alone articles:

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despite years of effort. I think as long as the categories are reasonable (i.e. divisions relevant to the subject and something readers will use) then it's worth slowly building rather than taking the easy route of neglect.

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Rikster2 In my experience there should be no objection against adding pages to a category while it is under discussion, as this can help to justify the existence of a category. Re-catting afterwards is done by a bot anyway.

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That seemed to be more than was needed, or could be absorbed, given the tenor of the discussion. In any event, the strong majority of these articles clearly work better as list elements rather than stand-alone articles.

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Fayenatic london There is that side of it too. My recent involvement in category work alone has seen my number of articles per month go into single figures, even though I have lots of known gaps still left to fill! Cheers

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that we use to collect the mailing address. All personal information will be only used for postcard sending and will be deleted immediately after the postcard is sent. If you have any question, you may contact me at

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only works with "1868"; editors would have to specify the exact year the flag was adopted. The year is also used to retrieve the country name and generate a team link. If I'm wrong on any point, SFB will correct me.

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Thank you, sir. (de-ping)GiantSnowman}} Did you see that Alakzi already set up the tracking categories for you regarding Winner, Runner-up and Playoff? That should help you and the FOOTY guys collect information.

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I'm very sensitive to editors stating their personal opinion, especially when not supported by consensus, in a manner one could anticipate readers would take as being the preaching of the wp consensus on the issue.

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as their announced "senior championship". APA is co-organizer for athletics and the event is also open for non-PASO members (Anguilla, Montserrat, Turks and Caicos, and probably Curaçao). Any suggestion?

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I do think those editors interested in categories have the right desires and skill sets to build list articles, which are more flexible and, let's face it, much more widely read and useful than categories

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I've amended this to say raised in Chandler, instead of born there. Ideally we need some sort of source to say she was born in San Diego as this isn't on her college profile or interviews/news reports.

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Hi Sillyfolkboy. I googled it and I found both. Most of the term "Japan Championships" are edits from wikipedia itself or sources of the "All Japan Championships". What do you say about gbrathletics?

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Just wanted to thank you for your solid contributions. Though I happen to agree with you on this occasion, I've read some of your other opinions/contributions and they always seem to be well-reasoned.

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The subsequent metric conversion of the given feet and inches will (a) round down to the nearest quarter inch, (b) convert that to metres, then (c) round down the result to the nearest centimetre.

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Sportsfan 1234}} No problem! I'm not really sure how we all got in the habit of creating templates with unpredictable, goofy titles in the first place. This is only the start of the clean up job!

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from a dozen articles to over 1000. Unless you're insane enough to dedicate yourself completely to categorisation (which some bizarrely do!) then it's a process that will take a lot of time. My

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CroesJ} Hello! I noticed you had started work on the event articles – great work so far! In terms of format, the 1982 article looks just fine. Personally, I prefer the grouped format as used on

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so I've declined one speedy and done a histmerge in the other case. I'd recommend starting a requested move discussion for them, they could probably both be discussed in the one RM. Cheers,

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stub categorisation). These types of nominations attract both wider interest and conflicting views. I have been accused of prejudice at times, which is to be expected given my behaviour.

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for track and field) rather than an event level one, so they would sit directly in the "Fooian sportswomen" groups. The hypothetical equivalent would be if there were categories like

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At first I thought that must be a some kind of mistake, because I had nothing to do with this category, but apparently nine years can do that... :-) Thanks for dropping a note!

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and feeding them into a bot task. Still, if the primary editorship of basketball articles chooses to neglect such categories, then this structure will not develop properly.

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Guess others (South America, Oceania, ...) will follow. Appears to be a matter of principle. Unfortunately, can't write down my arguments anymore, just "drag and drop".

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Its good to see you active after an absence. I don't want to be accused of canvassing, but we really need to get comment from people involved with Athletics articles at

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Please will you edit Frank Lampard's career statistics table. Put in the stats table Lampard's premier league assists also his assists in all competitions for Chelsea.

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which underpins the category being discussed. I've mainly started with the topic area I usually work in (athletics), though I've starting building up the contents of

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Assuming the search yields an accurate count, there are 105 uses of "disqualified." More than I expected, but still easily managed with manual edits, if needed.

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to be exact!), so they do not need to be capitalised. I try to standardise these to lower case. Marathon is a little bit of a special case, given it's origin from

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this move. I'm unsure of the usual procedure. I thought that since virtually all the nominations were done on the 30th, then it should be placed there, no?

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completing the missing heats/qualifications. I started to change the style of the existing tables to avoid different table styles in the same article (see

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discussions. Otherwise, as with my first concern, it looks to those who don't know better as though you are intentionally trying to mislead other readers.

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I'm not sure how you do it, but you keep coming in and adding the necessary technical stuff to articles I create. Thank you. Here's one you missed. Put

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Frietjes Thanks for the heads up. I will keep an eye out in future. Seems strange to me that this can't be done automatically in the transclusion though!

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Hello. I hope you don't mind, but I've been working to get Asia Month entries to the main page, and as such, I've nominated one of your articles at DYK.

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addresses how the Manual of Style should instruct editors to refer to transgender people in articles about themselves (which name, which pronoun, etc.).

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addresses how to instruct editors to refer to transgender people when they are mentioned in passing in other articles. Your participation is welcome.

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used (I think this change was discussed at the project talk). I'll look out for other capitalisation issues. Good luck working through the results!

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There are many articles and books that discuss Jewish Australian sportspeople. Jewish Australian sportspeople have also been sending teams to the

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Well, this has been finally implemented, and I think the new icons are a radical improvement over the previous color blocks. The medals table of

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Appears to me that you have change the links to the Michele Brown (athlete) page, so thanks. If there are some that are missed I cannot find them.

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what do we do about the winner, runner-up and playoff options that were engrafted onto this template by an association football editor in 2011?

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where the nominator has withdrawn his proposal, but you had already expressed support. Would you object if it was closed as "withdrawn"? –

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Mmm. And why are we putting the flag icon in front of the athlete's name -- and separated from the country code, contrary to MOS:FLAG?

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determine if a link is a redirect :( the links for the talk and view aren't such a big deal since those will just follow the redirect.

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Picking off only the weak outlying user groups simply undermines those user groups' sense of belonging to the wider Knowledge project

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syntax, since that would require retraining all editors who actively work on navboxes. we shall see which way it goes in the future.

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Hello Sillyfolkboy. You have tagged several categories for CfD, but there is no related discussion (the only one I can find is about

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If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see

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Hey, SFB. Just a quick head's up. I am stripping all flag icons that are used to designate swimming event locations. These were

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overblown, nationalistic egos, the systematic motivation to cheat is overwhelming. It will ruin our sport if it hasn't already.

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Admin work does detract from time available for creating content, so it's a perfectly respectable decision to stay out of it. –

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I'm still missing the point, A. I can have a year-correct flag with the basic templates, e.g., {{flag|Canada|1868}} renders

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hosted at Dropbox. They must have got an in-house photographer for the event instead. We do get some great images donated by

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Hello. You nominated for deletion (and I did not see it till now, when I see the fallout) a Jewish/nation/sports category.

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OK, English is not my native language. But if it is right there are a hundreds of articles in enwiki have to be corrected (

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it's almost possible now to have it automatically determined, but you have to invoke the navbox module directly (i.e., use

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a group, or (b) don't consider that real world coverage should have a bearing on Knowledge coverage (hence novelties like

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You're fast -- I don't think I had finished posting on your user talk page before you responded here. Take a look at the

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MOS:IDENTITY is being revisited: How should Knowledge refer to transgender individuals before and after their transition?

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describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to

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Any that you judge have a consensus of "Keep" or "No consensus", you could implement yourself. The instructions are at

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of MOS:IDENTITY that closed with the recommendation that Knowledge's policy on transgender individuals be revisited.

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The display for feet and inches shows (a) the whole feet, (b) whole inches, and (c) a fraction for any quarter inches

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The athletics knowledge base was once in a similar condition and it's taken three years to just get something like

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In 2013, the Jewish Australian athletes won 42 medals at the Maccabiah Games -- the third-most of all delegations.

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is a British publication and it is held in much higher regard than FourFourTwo. FFT is a tabloid by comparison. –

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as public domain – great stuff! Not only useful for us, but actually an excellent way of controlling their image.

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 100 metres (2nd nomination)

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Knowledge:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 September 27#Category:Protestant religious leaders by denomination

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something like a deletion, then you can just let me know by pinging me: (de-ping)Sillyfolkboy}}. Take care!

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Proposed deletion of List of Central American and Caribbean Junior Championships in athletics records, ...

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also take a look at jasmine st-claire's record which at the time beat the Houston 500 (circa 2000-2002)

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for these, but it turned out to be so depressingly long that I've gone for a piecemeal approach instead!

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for "Japan Championships in Athletics" minus wiki yields nearly 5000 results, including ones from the

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So, guys, the "disqualified" option -- what should we do with it? Does anyone like my idea above?

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they are considered national heroes at home) but there is still a KGB mentality behind all of this.

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We all make mistakes. That's not the issue. As to the other 4 editors -- they are not subject to a

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Can you please start a discussion, or I will have to remove the tags from the categories. Cheers,

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seems to be the common term for the event, so I have started a basic article there and linked in

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I think you need to remove a talk message at your /TP template... something is messed up there.

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If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can

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I think its just past precedence! I followed the lead from earier competitions. Thanks again!

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If you wish to discuss any of the topics listed below then please send me a new message on my

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rule as such? According to me the exception rule isn't particularly helpful for navigation.

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Is this really appropriate for second-tier international championships below the Olympics:

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or social status. I certainly don't want my actions or presence to compromise the process.

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is not always a year. The country data infrastructure is in dire need of an overhaul.

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never thinking for a moment to qualify my explanation that NOLYMPICS only applied to

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is very sad that more effort isn't put into writing up articles on basic topics like

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox Country World Championships in Athletics

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sport. I'm more of an inclusionist, so I'd be very happy to support creation of an

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Games. I suggest we start with just the 2014 articles and leave out articles like

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as the navigation template. I would place all related the articles into the main

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In theory this category could be very easily populated by taking the contents of

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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