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382:, including several dozen much smaller than the cy. (currently on 15,000+ articles and growing daily). My question is, why are they "notable" but cy. apparently is not? With comparatively few websites entirely in Welsh, the Welsh wikipedia is important to Welsh culture on-line and, like the rest of the wikipedias, has great potential as an educational resource. Why this hurry to delete this when articles on much smaller language wikipedias seem perfectly acceptable? As for notability, try googling Welsh topics (avoiding English) and you'll see how often cy. comes up. I would go so far as to say that the coverage of Wales is more extensive than on en. Online references will be found, but mostly in blogs and discussion sites, mainly because Welsh-language websites are relatively few in number. Knowledge is far bigger than just en., even if it's the largest single language wiki. Time to be less parochial? 610:- in case it's relevant, it may be worth pointing out that several of the above users (Enaidmawr, Rhyswynne, Thaf, Deb) are major contributors to the Welsh wikipedia. Hope this doesn't constitute a conflict of interest; better to point it out gently now before somebody screams about it. My own feeling about the article is a bit mixed, even though I too have an interest in the project. I reckon that probably there is not enough to establish sufficient notability in its current form, although there may well be if the external references alluded to above (Golwg, y Faner Newydd) were tracked down and added to the article. But then neither would I favour keeping stub articles on minor anime characters (per Enaidmawr's comment). — 306:, it appears that the Welsh wikipedia is five times as big as the largest wikipedia listed by Metropolitan90 as a precedent (Scots) and ten times as large as the largest one listed that uses what's generally accepted as being a distinct language language (Kashubian -- Scots is generally considered to be a dialect of English rather than a distinct language, and even Kashubian is considered by some to be a dialect of Polish), so I'm not sure that it's entirely fair to compare to those. Still, in the end it comes down to reliable sources, but I think we should let someone who can evaluate Welsh sources weigh in on that before we delete. 420:(other than the Czech Knowledge, which does have an equivalent, but I can't read it). But looking at the Czech, Polish, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish, and Turkish articles about the Welsh Knowledge, it's obvious that they don't have any independent sources either. (That's understandable given that such sources, if they exist, are probably in either English or Welsh.) The fact that an article exists in another Knowledge does not mean that their editors have specifically taken an interest in whether that article is acceptable to them; maybe they just haven't gotten around to deleting it yet. -- 481:. I do not think we should delete articles on wikipedias in languages other than English unless we have a clear assurance from fluent speakers of the language that they have searched hard and found no sources in the language. I am inclined to keep them with a rather lower notability criteria than normal as wikipedia is an obvious place for someone to search to see if there is a wikipedia in a given language (OK a more knowledgeable person might search meta, but many people do not even know meta exists). So, I say 302:, I think... I don't understand Welsh, but googling for "Cymraeg wikipedia" gives more hits than "Welsh wikipedia", so I suspect that there may be Welsh-language references to be found. It would be helpful if we could get a Welsh speaker to look at this and either add some references (if they exist) or tell ust that there aren't any good references to be found. Looking at 574: 527:, but as both these publications are in Welsh and have limited on-line presence, it's very difficult to provide refrences. As Eklipse mentions, it's unlilkely to be mentioned in English language press. While refrences are iimportant, this highlihgt how the Knowledge (the English version) could become an encyclopedia of only things that are 553:
While English-language references are preferred in the English Knowledge, foreign-language references are fine if no comparable English-language references are available. And they don't need to be accessible on line in either case. So if you have Welsh-language references from reliable sources
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Addendum: It also has interwiki links to seven other language wikipedias, including Spanish and Japanese. They seem to find it perfectly acceptable and I see no sign of it being proposed for deletion on those sites. But apparently it's not good enough for inclusion here, even though we have stub
593:- not because it's a wikipedia project, or because "stuff exists", but because it's important in the context of the Welsh language and having an article about it ensures that non-Welsh speakers can be kept informed. I think its value as an article will gradually become apparent. 638:, and frankly I think that Knowledge is already generally too lenient as regards mention of Wikimedia projects in article space, notwithstanding user Enaidmawr's comment that it is also too lenient as regards a lot of other trivia. — 630:. The main page already has a section devoted to Knowledge editions in other languages, with direct links to the more major ones, and a link to a complete list. If there is more that we can do to increase visibility from within 271:. Being a Wikimedia project is not an inherent claim to notability, and no independent sources have been provided, nor could I find any. There are multiple precedents to not keep articles like this, such as the 188:
Withdrawing additional nomination - although I think the same issues affect both pages the contributors to the debate are largely concentrating on the title page and none concern the additional page alone.
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I've expanded the article and added references. It's not perfect, perhaps, but it's a start. Please take a look at it and kindly reconsider.
342:(though it doesn't look all that active), since Tajik Knowledge is also part of this AfD (though it should really have its own AfD). 60: 339: 634:, then yes, great, I'm all for it. But I still think it's important to apply notability criteria consistently as regards 160: 155: 91: 86: 573:- if the National Library of Wales considers the site of enough importance to appear on their site as an e-resource at 502:. I think that the absence of sources comes from the fact that only Welsh media and publications have talked about it. 164: 95: 402:
articles aplenty on minor anime characters from forgotten TV series, third division Norwegian soccer referees, etc.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Additional comment: I notice that articles on three other Celtic language wikis, viz the
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The "keep" arguments are, frankly, poor; therefore no clear "keep" consensus.
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The pages show no evidence that the topics have been the subject of
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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I don't know whether those other Wikipedias have equivalents to
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Also nominating the following page for the same reasons:
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to see if someone there can help out with references.
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
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