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traditionally passed down from parent to child are ended by force. The end of the soviet oppression means the freedom once again of people to practice the exercise of their sovereign culture without interference - and this very much includes outside acceptance of the words used for self-identification. For this panel to deny recently freed peoples the unquestioned right to insist on the terms of self-identity over the objections of outsiders when they have not themselves felt the loss of their own cultural heritage by the violent suppression of speech - and without fully contemplating and understanding the full force and effect of their decision is less than fully civilized. Imagine grandchildren to whom you cannot speak because a foreign government has made it a crime to teach them their mothers tongue. The Arbcom today has brought shame on the body of members; it has shamefully made this instrument of freedom a party to cultural extermination. (see also

1556:, etc. As for placenames, while there is no doubt that they should usually be called by their Ukrainian names in the modern context as well as the article names should be Ukrainian, the usage in the historical context should reflect the prevailing usage in the English language academic literature. Our Naming Conventions guidelines, both current and proposed, do recognize the difference between what's to be chosen for the article titles and what's to be chosen in the text, with the latter being sometimes context dependent. Whether the prevalence of Chernigov in medieval contexts is fair or not or whether this is "correct" or not is not for the Knowledge to decide. Knowledge should simply reflect the English usage. If the usage is unfair, incorrect, pro-Russian, etc. this should be addressed by an academic community which writes academic books. Encyclopedia, because it is a 2041:, then he comes here and demands a punishment for it. I am therefore very discouraged to continue contributing to that article or any other article for that matter. Many Ukrainian editors that came to Knowledge felt the same way. Please see the statement of Yakudza, for example. I am also quite able to recieve any types of warnings and other types of punishements for that mistake made by a few newbies including myself. I am only amazed that Irpen gets away with many other violations described on the evidence page of this proceeding, erasing whole chapters in the 3173:

he had over 1000 edits in Ukrainian Knowledge. His "invention" of the trick contrasts with his pretending that he didn't know how WP works. I always wondered myself why some moves over redirects were possbile and some weren't and I had no idea that the secret is in history. And I am around the WP long enough (not that I ever wanted to make an irreversible move myslef). Then came AndriyK with detailed knowledge that allowed him to impose his moves over consensus.

1996:, I encourage the readers to find some "evidence" to the accusations he makes of "other violations" I am accused of such as "erasing whole chapters", "ignoring the naming convention", "personal attacks" and "overall attitude towards Ukrainian editors." He forgets to specify how many "Ukrainian editors", and I am one of them btw, share his perception about my "attitude". He "forgets to explain" his pasting from Britannica to the article and to give 63:). I admit that the page does not conform the prescribed format. If it make difficult the normal flow of the process, it would be resonable to ask all parties to rearange their own comments according to the format. If comments of one party is moved by another user, it falls out of context. Such cases should be avoided, in my opinion. (I am sorry, if I placed this request in a wrong place. My experience is not sufficient yet.)-- 821:

state that the issue of the in-text usage is context dependent and is totally separate from the titles of the articles devoted to the geographic locations. AndriyK forces modern Ukrainian names for events and people of the medevial time. No one objects to the modern titles for the locations articles. The dispute is only the specific context dependent usage and all conventions recognize the difference between these two issues. --

1903:. I also had no idea of these subtleties that time. So I restored his version. Then I got a message from an admin about copyright violation and did not perform any further action on the article. So I reverted the article only one time being not aware about some subtelties of copyright matters. Is my guilt so serious that it deserves to be considered by Arbitration Committee? 1773:: Lysy, how does your mentioning of this at, as you correctly put it, "not Ghirlandajo's RfA" is relevant? It only shows that the trick invented by AndriyK is tempting to use and that AndriyK should be punished for the huge disruption he caused by his multiple moves so that whoever else is tempted to follow on his footsteps would be warned about the serious consequences. 3008:(actually not a Russian name which would have been Petr or Pyotr) move is borderline: confirmed by google hits, but disconfirmed by google books and Britannica. There was a discussion at talk he could join rathern than do a move with a dirty trick, that made further discussion useless. He cites only the examples (Bohun, Nalyvaiko) where no one actually complained. 3050:) AndriyK should not need to rely on an asterisk to defend his native tongue against the russianized consensus - he and his language ought to be extended the full courtesy and protection of the ArbCom umbrella - instead he and his language are exposed to additional ignominious and inhumane treatment by the unappreciative citizens of the free west. 1173:

would certainly provide the translation. I could also provide other citations from his personal attacks at the Maidan forum but, again, it is not his personal attacks but his cheating and revert warring is the reason of this arbitration. Getting me upset by a rude user is not a reason to spend so much time of so many people on this page. --

3258:)), I respectfully request an ArbCom to investigate the sockpuppetry allegations brought to this Arbitration earlier, and if proven, issue a broader remedy for any newbie and/or anon account that express the immature Ukrainian nationalism through making the edits that reduce to nomenclature substitutions as per ArbCom Zivinbudas decision. 849:, a project that was triggered by this particular conflict. In no way is this an excuse for other disruptive actions of any party but is mentioned here only to demonstrate that both editors have the potential for work together in a positive manner on the controversial issue. This said, I never doubted that Irpen had this capability. -- 1210:: I am curious myself to see what AndriyK means when accusing me in using of an "extremely foul and vulgar language". I am hesitant to translate into English of what he was writing on the talk pages of the users at Ukrainian Knowledge trying to recruit followers. These words seem to me as totally unusable in public places. -- 2643:: This is purely a meritorical content dispute. Considering the one's own self edits neutral and accusing the opposing party in a POV is older than Knowledge. Since it would be highly unusual for arbitrators to get into such particular content dispute, this entry at workshop seems to me like a waste of everyone's time (see 811:(these moves cannot be reversed by users because of how they were made) and a ruling that would prevent the user from going on the spree to disrupt dozens of articles at a time. OTOH, if the ArbCom has time and desire to get into these meritorical disputes and decide each of them, I certainly have no objection. -- 1584:

special case, it needs to be noted that the current convention on Ukrainian names exists without that special case right now. Of course, it's easier to convince a few people here than to convince the whole Ukrainian community of Knowledge editors (however small and dwindling after this proceeding is over).--

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has one of the best written English and the most knowledgeable of many editors I've seen, his contributions are massive, but he is often overconfident in his knowledge and too bothered to explain his changes politely, especially if he already has an opinion of the person he has conflict with. While I

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OTOH, AndriyK, as an experienced Wikipedian, couldn't have been unaware that an important part of our policies is the spirit in which they're made. These page moves and name substitution in the articles violate anything even close to the Knowledge spirit. Before starting to actively edit the en-wiki

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The expression "modern russian states" sounds as misplaced in relation to Ukraine as the expression "modern italian states" would sound to France or Spain. Better yet, "modern french states" in relation to Italy. While I am not against expanding the naming convention to include Kievan Rus names as a

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However, please note that while I would very much welcome the ArbCom members getting themselves involved in deciding on the matter which follows from ambiguity of our guidelines that allow bad-faith interpretation, this question may be left to the editors who will be carving the improved guidelines.

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The speculations of what East Slavic language was and how it would transliterate into a modern English is entirely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether there is a prevailing usage in English L texts where the name of the place is used in a particular historical context. That Britannica

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Arbcom guidelines as well as repeated reminders from ArbCom members did not change the behavior of some parties to interject their thoughts into the middle of other people's statements. I moved them away from the wrong place only to preserve them on one hand but to ensure the guidelines are followed

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article's move that following the Ghirlandajo's move, was moved by a bunch of editors using tricks and cut'n'paste, was cleaned up by Mikkalai with the histories merged. Now there is a civilized discussion on the talk page on how we will call the article. The problem with AndriyK's moves is that he

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ashington" the user X moved it back. Then user X being supporeted by users X1,X2,...,XN demonstrated similar behavior on several other articles. User Y realized that user X and his frends do not accept any reason, but found the way to "fix" the articles on their right places. Would you blame user Y

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This is rather mild compared to the extremely foul and vulgar language the AndriyK used to recruit the followers and Ukrainian wiki. I don't think what he said is quotable but if quoting of foul language is allowed and ArbCom members would like to see the translation of the language AndriyK uses, I

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past October 24 have to be reverted based on the fact of the dirty trick he used. Then, we can move several articles again (Invasion, Nalyvaiko, Bohun..) but in normal way with no history damage, discuss some other moves further (Mogila/Mohyla) and leave some articles alone until the English usage

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I indeed created artificial histories of redirect pages. May be this was not the best way to avoid the "move wars", but I did not see a better one. At list, it is not forbidden by WP policies, to my best knowlege. This at least forced my opponents to stop using their "brutal force" and discuss the

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repeatedly reverting names of Ukrainian entities (e.g. subway lines and stations) to Russian transliteration. To prevent this, AndriyK had to create artificial edit histories of redirect articles. Nonetheless Kuban kazak found the trick how to avoid the restrictions of WP software and moved the

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Irpen as usual twists the truth. It wasn't only him who added new images and text to the article. I personally added a portrait of Kotlyarevsky. I also spent quite a lot of time obtaining a permission from the author of the original text (published on a free web site) to publish it in Knowledge.

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5) On the Ukrainian forum, AndriyK, in addition to describing opposing Russian language editors (who may very well live in Ukraine) as a "Russian mafia", described "User Irpen is a very cunning, ingenious, and stubborn troll." ("Користувач Irpen - дуже хитрий, винахідливий і наполегливий троль."

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To the Lysy's comment below about an improved naming convention being right now crafted, it should be noted that the imprefectness of the current convention and the improved version being prepared are in no way the excuses for AndriyK's actions. Both the current and the future convention clearly

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I'm quite surprized to discover this section here, because AndriyK is the subject of the present arbitration, not me and because my responses were quite symmetrical to AndriyK's insults. He was the first to style Russian editors in his summaries "Russian mafia", "teenage gang", "cunning troll",

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I would like to thank User Irpen for tidying up the section with my statement for me. The interfering comment by Andrew Alexander was certainly put awkwardly and against the guidelines. It seems that once the comment is moved out, it'd be easy enough to adjust it so that it falls back into the

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article, openly ignoring the Knowledge naming convention on Ukrainian names, many personal attacks and overall attitude towards several Ukrainian editors. Just recently I was accused of "russophobia" because I dared to mention that Stalin Russia destroyed two major ancient cathedrals in Kiev -

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edit summary. The article had to be protected. After it was unprotected, there were only a couple of edits: an addition of image by myself, categorization by Alex Bakharev. So, it is pretty much still the same small stub I wrote. Both fervent supporters of an extended article did not have any

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It is clear from my reading here that the ArbCom suffers from a deficit in their collective understanding of language as a weapon of imperialism. In the Soviet Union, languages were exterminated by force and fear - which means that histories, poetry, puns and many other forms of literature

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so that all relevant points of view could be considered. (There are also many related controvercies between Orthodox Churches concerning "canonical territory", which church is "mother" and which is "daughter" and so on.) There is no reason to repeat this discussion at every point where

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I do not think editing Knowledge is possible if for every infringement on other people's POV, you would risk learning some new names for yourself. Substract his boldness to accuse editors and patronizing attitude and his behavior becomes tolerable, add some patience, you get a good

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The example that you provided does not involve the trick that you and AndriyK were exercising. As for good faith, are you saying, that you applied the trick in good faith ? What for then ? Irpen explained to me that your guilt was lesser because you've applied it only once.

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and voting). Before you move the article, when you can reasonably expect a disagreement, propose it first at the article's talk. The names there are for a reason. The reason may be wrong. There is talk to discuss that rather than imposing your views on the community.

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7) AndriyK, taking an aggressive Ukrainian nationalist position has strongly advocated use of the Ukrainian names for historical places and persons. Without obtaining consensus regarding policy he has repeatedly inserted his preferred usage into a number of pages

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I urge everyone interested to actually click on the links offered by AndriyK and take a look at the allegations and the context of the above comments. When AndriyK reverts 60 articles one after another in no time, the "mass cleanup" is exactly what has to be

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makes a large number of reverts calling edits of other users "vandalism" and very rarely discuss the disagreement on talk pages. Particularly he intolerant to new editor. When new users come, they run into the boorishness of User:Ghirlandajo and obstinacy of

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In my opinion, the most reasonable compromise whould be using Ukrainian transliteration if the entity was located (created, took place) on the territory of present-day Ukraine and similarly Russian and Belarusian transliteration for Russia and Belarus.

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Yakudza, you already pasted the same stuff verbatim on my RfC and elsewhere three times! I'm tired of disputing these points with you. Please don't mislead arbitrators, at least. Banderovets is the self-appelation of supporters of the Uke nationalist

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The claim of AndriyK that he lacks experience in things and should be given some leeway as a newbie is just ridiculous. His knowing in details of the Wikisoftware features and using them to force his POV on the community obviously proves otherwise.

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to the pages when he was accused of Russophobia. It would be instructive to see what actually was said by him. In any case please make sure to actually check links he provides or will (if) provide rather than take his accusation at the face value.

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while it provides "For geographic names in Ukraine, the Ukrainian National system is used. For historic reasons, many names are also presented in Russian, Polish, etc.", does not address the question of names and persons associated with the

1054:. The result of the posts was an inflow of Ukrainian voters—enough to create an illusion of greater opposition than it otherwise would be—whose only goal was to support AndriyK’s POV." An actual translation of one post is available at 936:). For instance, Protestant Churches are "uncanonical" from the point of view of Catholic Church and Orthodox Churches. Catholic Church and Orthodox Churches were considering each other "uncanonical" for a long time in the past, etc. 543:. The modern Ukrainian transliteration, Chernihiv, is somewhat anachronistic as applied to men who predate use of the language in its present form. There is also a history of use of Chernigov in English during Russian domination 416:

1) The locus of this dispute revolves around the independence of Ukraine and specifically around the development of Ukrainian Orthodox churches independent of the Russian Orthodox Church, see this example of strongly POV edit

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what he thinks about this trick, and received no reply. Actually the tactic invented by AndriyK, while still not prohibited officially, is gaining footing. An example from today's move of the same article by another editor:

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several times. It also looks very strange that the POV of Russian Orthodox Church, that presently has nothing to do with Patriarch Filaret, is presented, but the POV of Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kyivan Patriarchy, that is

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The locus of the dispute is that to certain historical events, places, persons the Russian version of the name made it to the English L academic literature. As such, they are called by the Russian name in the contexts of

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That said, I find the most important, the remedy that would warn against further page moves (with or without the dirty trick) without a proper discussion, as I proposed to AndriyK earleir many times (see again, his

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to the names of ancient cities located in modern Ukraine? According to phonologicals studies (for instance, G.Y. Shevelov (1979). A Historical Phonology of the Ukrainian Language, Heidelberg: Carl Winter Verlag.

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applied the edit comment "mass cleanup after a maniac on another spree" 9 times. This would explain some "tension". Is there some rule in Knowledge that allows insulting other editors in some specific "context"?

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It is different than saying that Germany and Austria are german states. Germans and Austrians (as well as a part of Switzerland) belong to the same ethnos and, as Irpen already mentioned below, speak the same

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ov". But I do not see any reason, why transliteration from Russian should be prefered for the name of a Ukrainian city. Why Knowledge should be different in spelling from other English language encyclopedias?

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v" (the written language was quite different from the spoken one, therefore what was written with "o" could well be prononced with "i"). What is definitelly known, the city name could not be prononced as

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comparable to unquoatable slang of AndriyK. Unless something comes up soon, this stuff needs removed. If AndriyK has anything to say about foul and vulgar language, however, please make sure it goes to

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context — I see no need in any extra discussion over this simple matter. I am sorry about the added commotion, I recognize that I could have helped avoid it by clearing the inserted comment earlier. -

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here and development of proposed principles, findings of fact, and remedies. Anyone who edits should sign all suggestions and comments. Arbitrators will place proposed items they have confidence in on

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Russian prononiation became relevant only in the second half of 18th century. (It was used by administration, although the majority of the population always remained Ukrainian) Therefore, applying

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1.1) The locus of this dispute is AndriyK's crusade regarding use of transliteration of Ukrainian language names and places for historical russian persons and places and the tactics he has used.

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I indeed tried to do my best to prevent violation of Knowledge policy. May be the way I found was not the best one. But indeed, it did not contradict to existing policies. Where did Irpen found

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did not belong to Russian Orthodox Church and was the leader of another church (they could "defrock" and "excommunicate" the Pope with equal success :) ). But this information was removed by

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This is a page for working on Arbitration decisions. It provides for suggestions by Arbitrators and other users and for comment by arbitrators, the parties and others. After the analysis of

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The "Ukrainian names" section of naming convention AndriyK cites above is primarily about transliteration when the name to use is clear and the "use English" rule is the primary one. Of

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to this editor. Whether the word from the arbitrators (but without ban) would be enough warning for him despite his not heeding to the past warnings, is for the arbitrators to decide.

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I really don't get this, but understand the bad feeling. It is no different than saying that Germany and Austria are german states, but it has been changed in the proposed decision.

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clearly states: "For geographic names in Ukraine, the Ukrainian National system is used". Using Russian transliteration for subway lines/stations clearly violates this policy. But

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The Old East Slavic language used Cyrillic alphabet. Therefore one needs transliteration rules how the Old East Slavic "Чернигов" should be converted into English. If one uses the

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To the arbitrator's comment just posted "I really don't get this..." the way to avoid the ambiguity is to say: "the historical predecessor of all modern East Slavic nations:

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3) Examination of recent edit warring by AndriyK and Ghirlandajo shows a pattern of removing the opposing point of view together with inserting their own point of view

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The Arbitration Committee clearly is not able to decide which spelling should be used for each city/town/river, but it would be very helpfull to establish some general

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was permitted to be freely distributed. He did not understand, however, the subtle difference between free distribution in general and free distribution in terms of

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Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.

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who by then could not have been unaware of the copyright rules with his Knowledge experience. His revertion to copyvio version was supplied with an inflamatory

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policy trying to use Knowledge for propaganda of his extremely conservative Russian Orthodox POV. His extremely POV edit started an edit war on the article

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As for my rude retort in the second case, it was prompted by AndriyK's dissimulating his edit as "rv", although he didn't revert in that particular case.

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or elsewhere. All I want is to keep the historical names - St Vladimir's Cathedral, Chernigov, etc - mentioned at least *once* in the text of the article.

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I am not an experienced editor. I did some edits during a short period of time a year ago or so. I returned in the beginning of October 2005 and ran into

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even though the places are sometimes located in modern Ukraine or the persons are claimed by the Ukrainian nation at least as much as by the Russian one:

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I think that his personal attacks and the underlying attitude is the primary motivation for RfA, this is what makes any kind of dialog largely impossible.

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My opponents often refer to Old East Slavic/Old Slavonic language, therefore I found it reasonable to explain the situation to the Arbitration Committee.

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To stop the edit war, I proposed to keep the version of my opponents with the POV tag on top of it, but they continued the edit war by removing the tag.

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It's not true. I did not change transliteration of Russian persons and places. All my spelling corrections were concerning Ukrainian persons and places.

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where it is alleged, "Because the first votes cast were overwhelmingly in support of the move, AndriyK posted a message on an outside Ukrainian forum (

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agree that it is inappropriate when Ghirlandajo gets on his high horse, but from what I've seen AndriyK has matched and even beaten him in rudeness. –

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The case of Belarus is altogether different. Russian is a state language here, and Russian spellings are used officially. See my comments on

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a revert by Irpen with the comment "this article should be protected until the falisfied voting is overturned" point (maybe) to the vote at

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not only before but even after his insults here and at outside forums. He chose to always bite the hand extended to him, see for instance

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is very intolerant to opinions of other editors. He often offend them. Here are several examples of Ghirlandajo's comments to his edits:

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article from where it is yet to be removed (I promised myself to get back to UA L after this ArbCom, because it was damaged too badly).

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are not hidden and are easy to check by anyone who is interested to see the facts on the ground. It would be more difficult to check

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v in the article about the city (i.e. in the article entitled "Chernihiv") and applies this name to all periods of history. "Cherni

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He called me "banderovets" (a very insulting name given by Russian nationalists to Ukrainians). His edits contain a lot of POVs.

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and others) insist that "uncanonicity" should be mentioned each time when Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kiev Patriarchy is mentioned.

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had since positively and extensively collaborated towards a consensus on both modern and historic context naming guidelines at

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uses the trick only because he knows that it would likely be opposed by a community. When I wrote to him about that early on:

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has immediatly taken Irpen's side in the dispute and did not even try to understand my reasons and start a fair discussion.

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I am sorry if the fact that in some cases these names are closer to Russian than to Ukrainian makes someone loose his sleep.

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There is no need to ban me. Simple warning would be sufficient. Just say me: "Do not do it anymore", and I will never do it.

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The main issue of this arbitration is not whether Cherigov, Chernihiv, Vladimir or Volodymyr should be used in the articles

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in google (where "prince" is added to the city to restrict the usage to the Rus' time). The difference is 30000+ vs 1000-.

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is mentioned. Indeed, no one speaks about "uncanonical" at each mentioning of any Protestant Church. But my opponents (

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Neither of my moves violated the existing Knowledge policy, while reverting of them did it in most cases. The policy

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to restrict his right to revert to whatever number per article per day or per week that ArbCom considers reasonable

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I second that the desired result can be equally obtained with a firm warning instead with less collateral damage.

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I'd like to point out that the first example cited here is strange, because it was me who started the article on

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that he purposefully created the artificial histories of the redirect articles. This has been characterized as "

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Please pay attention that creating artificial histories is not forbidden by the present Knowledge policies.

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I would like to bring attention of the Arbitration Committee to extremely foul and vulgar language used by

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Irpen essentially behaves less then friendly in this dispute. First he admits that the publication was an

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is, in fact, not a translation of my posts but rather the opinion of some of my opponents about my posts.

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16) User Kuban kazak, taking an aggressive Russian nationalist position, neglected the Knowledge policy

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transliteration to the time of Kievan Rus as well to the later period up to 18th century is definitely

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Which policy encaurages using Russian transliteration for the names of clearly Ukrainian persons like

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to which some people with even less understanding of the matter responded. One of the responders was

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He also added the text from the very same work in the same magazine, and again verbatim, to the

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on another side. If all interjections have to me deleted or moved to talk, I would welcome that.

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Andrew Alexander was clearly acting in good faith. The text he coppied into the article about

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The issue at hand is, mainly, overturning the bad-faith article moves done with a sneaky trick

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conflict except making some general statements at the article's talk. However, this entry is

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Let's looks at the modern English usage. All new editions of English language encyclopedias (

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except the fact that I tried to oppose the trully agressive Russian nationalist position of

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Talk:Mikhail_of_Chernihiv#Requested_move:_Mikhail_of_Chernihiv.E2.86.92Mikhail_of_Chernigov

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my assertion. I also admitted using the spelling "Chernigov" in other Britanica articles.

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Knowledge:Requests_for_arbitration/AndriyK/Evidence#Mass_disruptions_of_multiple_articles

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The information about defrocking and excommunication clearly belong to the article about

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uses Chernihiv exclusively is just a plain lie and the detailed analysis is presented in

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2) A subtheme of the dispute is use of Ukrainian names such as St Volodymyr's Cathedral (

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I find it equally important in view of AndriyK's revert spree and using the 3RR rule as

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1) AndriyK is banned for one month from Knowledge for creating irreversible page moves.

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8) Andrew Alexander, AndriyK and MaryMaidan disrupted removal of a copyright violation,

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Could you please add also Belarus at the corresponding place in the proposed decision?--

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v" is mentioned in this article only as the Russian name of the city. One can easily

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might have been acting in good faith posting the magazine article for the first time

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The state status of Russian language in Belarus does not change the fact that the

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contemplates fair expression of all significant points of view regarding a topic.

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that such outbursts of emotion are to be avoided, and I had to agree with him. --

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available. Only one message was translated into English and was published on the

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for "dirty trick" if he created an artificial history of redirect page "George

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to this very article verbatim could not have been possibly made in good faith.

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I wrote myself from scratch, Andrew Alexander posted a message to the forum:

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moved the several articles back to Russian names when I tried to correct it.

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policy. I proposed to discuss the "uncanonicity" issue in the article about

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and other princely moves, the Slavic tribes moves and an especially gross

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Links to other examples of Ghirlandajo rudeness can be found on the page

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Mentioning of "uncanonicity" of Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kiev Patriarchy

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I kindly ask arbitrators to consider an alternative way (see below).--

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reinserting it well after the copyright problems were explained to him

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moved a comment of Andrew Alexander to another place on the page (see

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as contrasted to Russian names such as St Vladimir's Cathedral, see

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Something should be done to prevent messing up of comments on the

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and all of his talk, actually. Perhaps, whoever has time, please

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even after the inapropriateness of such behavior was pointed out

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I never heard the term "modern russian states" (with "states" in

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v exclusively. I asserted the following: Britannica (as well as

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Place here items of evidence (with diffs) and detailed analysis

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2) AndriyK is warnet to avoid creating irreversible page moves.

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in its prime! Details are in my comments to the next section. --

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I copied this proposal from the decission page to comment on it.

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was blanking comments of other users about his rude behavior (

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Knowledge:Requests_for_arbitration/AndriyK#Statement_by_Ezhiki

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Just say me: "Do not do it anymore", and I will never do it.

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is the historical predecessor of Ukraine, Russia and Belarus.

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This is a very poor summary which misses the point entirely.

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by many editors (myself, MichaelZ and Kuban kazak included)

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and if banned for how long, it is important to note that he

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What could I learn about Knowledge spirit in this situation?

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Blanking comments of other users on this page by Ghirlandajo

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v in their articles about the city and apply this name to

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I do not understand what are "all modern russian states".

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that "defrocking" and "excommunication" took place when

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Similarly, AndriyK pasted a copyvio text much later to

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Talk:Chernihiv#Britannica.27s_use_in_historical_context

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of Ivan Kotliarevsky's article is worth a look! While

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I did it to prevent violation of the existing policy.

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I find it equally important to have the remedy that

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v". There are a lot of other sources applying Cherni

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Talk:St Volodymyr's Cathedral ownership controversy

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Well, there are also sources using "Cherni 614:.), the tribe that populated Chernihiv area ( 3188:by any admin regardless of the merit simply 3167:many attempts of many editors to talk reason 2868:Knowledge:Naming conventions#Ukrainian names 2679:Knowledge:Naming conventions#Ukrainian names 2336:uses edit summaries to offend his opponents 2076:Rudeness and personal attacks by Ghirlandajo 1330:Knowledge:Naming_conventions#Ukrainian_names 526:Патріарший кафедральний собор св. Володимира 2289:(rv shameless POV-pushing by a banderovets) 1662:"aggressive Ukrainian nationalist position" 1228:extremely foul and vulgar language used by 1044:http://www2.maidan.org.ua/n/free/1130025302 894:Talk:Patriarch Filaret (Mykhailo Denysenko) 2307:Knowledge:Requests for comment/Ghirlandajo 1700:ashington" to protect the name of "George 1148:User_talk:Irpen#Discussion_on_maidanua.org 546:(This also involves the Ukrainian city of 3159:Ukrainian nationalism section at his talk 1691:ashington" by moving the page to "George 1353:. (proposed correction of the wording by 1035:. The sequence of events is discussed at 561:While it is obvious to me that places in 2719: 2510:Rudeness and personal attacks by AndriyK 1247:first. Also note, this section title is 678:do not even mention the spelling "Cherni 3275:to talk to AndriyK in neutral and even 2772:) is the main topic of this arbitration 2712:nothing but a self-admission by AndriyK 1337:which is the historical predecessor of 1086:"English translations of the posts ... 14: 3184:be it by AndriyK or by anyone else be 3182:each and every move with a dirty trick 2724:Employing this deplorable practice by 1277:took his time and went to the library 1002:by Patriarch Filaret, is not be there. 381:1) {text of proposed finding of fact} 918:There are two points of the dispute: 837:It may be worth mentioning that both 2979:Mongol invasion..., Bohun, Nalyvaiko 2342:. Please find the further evidence 2317:? Aren't you one of his admirers? -- 1249:"Personal attacks on outside forums" 565:(other than obvious exceptions like 2564:14)During the arbitration process, 2280:(rv edits by another Polish zombie) 1617:) and moved a number of pages, see 686:v to all periods of history (e.g. 602:ov". But what is the reason to use 42:Motions and requests by the parties 27: 3360:1) {text of proposed enforcement} 3004:move are totally out of question. 2268:(rvv a new piece of polish idiocy) 2265:(rvv idiotic Moldovan nationalism) 1443:was the historical predecessor of 1109:English version of the site Maidan 949:History of Christianity in Ukraine 721:assert that Britannica uses Cherni 28: 18:Knowledge:Requests for arbitration 3471: 3120:policy. Than I ran into ruidness 2259:(rvv a new attack by banderovtsy) 2124:"insufficiently educated", etc. ( 1141:Personal attacks on outside forum 2256:(rvv attack by Polish Mafia :))) 1341:all modern East Slavic nations: 1056:http://eng.maidanua.org/node/429 341:1) {text of proposed principle} 306:1) {text of proposed principle} 232:1) {text of proposed principle} 3263:urge every party to take a look 2718:" by Arbitrator Fred Bauder in 2682:articles to the Russian names ( 269:Knowledge:Neutral point of view 3157:. See evidence and the end of 1111:. Please find the translation 516:Ukrainian versus Russian names 175:Proposed temporary injunctions 13: 1: 3320:1) {text of proposed remedy} 3064:01:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 3055:04:43, 25 December 2005 (UTC) 2925:18:15, 18 December 2005 (UTC) 2897:21:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC) 2851:17:28, 18 December 2005 (UTC) 2779:01:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC) 2652:01:13, 18 December 2005 (UTC) 2322:19:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC) 2240:18:44, 13 December 2005 (UTC) 2221:19:20, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 2192:17:59, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 2173:17:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 2152:17:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 2054:22:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 2022:23:31, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 1979:03:13, 19 December 2005 (UTC) 1853:20:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 1826:AndriyK cynically responded: 1781:18:26, 19 December 2005 (UTC) 1763:18:26, 19 December 2005 (UTC) 1753:18:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 1729:21:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 1683:To continue the example from 1644:16:21, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 1589:23:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC) 1565:00:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC) 1496:14:44, 13 December 2005 (UTC) 1460:14:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC) 1426:13:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC) 1372:00:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC) 1304:18:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 1256:20:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 1215:21:43, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 1178:09:27, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 854:00:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 826:23:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 816:09:12, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 764:17:57, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 554:during Russian domination.) 478:16:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 436:16:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 125:01:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC) 103:09:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC) 68:19:40, 10 December 2005 (UTC) 2671:Knowledge:Naming conventions 2181:presently pointed out to me 2141:I already brought my apology 1660:Is there any evidence of my 7: 3291:go and read through entire 2039:"honest good faith mistake" 1989:to what's added just below 1835:21:09, 8 October 2005 (UTC) 1818:20:43, 8 October 2005 (UTC) 1735:Knowledge:Assume good faith 1704:ashington" from distortion? 1240:no foul and vulgar language 981:policy. 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