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2780:: "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure". Even if it is only given to trusted users, the users who will care the most about asking for the user right might not be the users that we would want the most, and edits on non-contentious topics won't give a perfect idea of the behavior they might have in more contentious environments.
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are not direct links to pageviews for a page. I meant "need" in the sense that for this to work, the pageviews link "needs" to be on the page view menu or submenus. Currently, it is not there. Thanks for the info about the Xtools menu gadget not being on mobile. Another reason not to use Xtools as
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Time, Can you clarify what it is you actually want? A great deal of words have been expended here about adding a *pageviews link*, as in your message just above and many other parts of this multi-section discussion, but is a link what you really want? Or would you rather just have the page views
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no matter what the requirement is (at least as long as this is "The
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It's not about me. That's projection on the part of you two. But hey, I've said what I've got to say. I made some suggestions. I answered questions. I answered your question. I wasn't sure you had seen my question. Of course, you don't have to answer mine. I didn't badger others to answer my
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Only logged in users see the statistics bar. Turning it on by default would allow all logged in users to see it. If they don't like it they can always turn it off. But if they never turn it on, they will not know that it has a page views link. That is why it should be turned on by default.
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to promote page views. You are proposing that 90% of talk pages carry "proof" that those articles are unimportant. That will not make editors feel happy. It will not make them feel like contributing more. In some cases, it will scare them away from editing.
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I don't believe there is a problem that people are making 500 non-trivial and non-vandal edits just to be "hateful pricks" on talk pages. But, if they are, that seems like a largely-acceptable tradeoff; they can be easily blocked and everybody can move on.
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has been developed over a long time. There is agreement on what is there now. So I think you are in the minority on that. Adding a page views link there justifies hiding or deleting
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page to show that AKD won. Idk how to edit elections
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1712:It's important to the many people who liked
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