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also more familiar with animal welfare legislation than them. But it is highly desireable to have someone who conducts animal testing, and who works in the regulation of animal testing, editing on the animal testing articles. I think you would have a VERY hard time finding another scientist who conducts animal testing who thinks my edits are extremely POV for a scientist. In other words, just as I assume good faith and assume your bad edits are caused by perspective and not an active anti-testing campaign you are conducting by inserting BUAV commercial literature throughout the testing pages, I expect you to assume good faith as I edit with the perspective of a scientist in the field of animal testing. As another point of reference, I have not to date performed any work, or done any consultation, with any non-scientific pro-testing agenda driven associations. In other words, I have no relation to Pro-test, or the
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some elements of the animal rights movement and the conservation movement, the extermination of introduced species from island environments. I'm particularly interested in improving the criticism section (which I wrote myself, although I was logged out at the time). I myself am a proponent of island restoration and while I hope I addressed the criticisms neutrally I would value another set of eyes. Reading over it again I see that I wrote it before inline cites were pushed as aggressively as they are now, I'll address this over the next few days. Cheers.
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ages ago, with the ability for complex mental process, and their demonstration. I'd say deciding what rights personhood entailed, environmental ethics and the proper role of
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article? What does sentience have to do with animal rights? Marginal connection at best. Animal rights should not be the primary focus of the article. Members of this project have hijacked that article, when it should be focused on concepts like thought, perception, communication, expression. While I
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Thanks SV. I'm pretty sure it is the same person, but I never really supported a block in the first place. I think they are trying to be helpful, but seem unwilling to listen to advice. If the blocking admin spots them, I'm sure he will reblock, but if we can reign the editor in a little, then we may
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