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3312: 2001: 5697:- I did a spot check for the titles you listed. I was pleased with what I found for all the winners except the IBF Australasia. I see the IBF Australasia as more of a national title and didn't see enough to be comfortable with and I agree youth titles are just not enough. I would am fine with accepting the other four you listed. However, I am not as confident in the notability of the losers of those titles (and that may even extend outside the four you listed to my list). Would you be ok if we added those four and changed criterion #2 to 1662:, originally (rightly) rated as a "stub" article -- but incorrectly rated as "low-importance" in the boxing category -- has been radically expanded, with multiple major-media references, and other credible sources. It now covers his early life and career, major influences, and detailed breakdown of key events in his surprise rise to an Olympic bronze medal, a few days ago, in Rio -- becoming the first U.S. boxing Olympic medalist since 2008, and apparently first U.S. Olympic medalist in his division in decades. Re-evaluate, please? 5009:- literally meaning "for example." Some editors don't see it that way and require it to be one of the listed titles. It just leads to confusion. The third is what is "an affiliated organization" - in the example you bring up before the PABA dropping affiliation, PABA would be since it is a different organization but WBA Oceania/Asia would not since they are WBA titles. Seems like coverage would be about the same. My best suggestion is to come up with a hard list of regional titles we all agree on. I would take the lead from 363:", that doesn't mean I think they should be identical. After all, different sports. There's bits from the MMA record which I like (zero flags), bits which I don't ("Res." instead of "Result" is a pointless truncation), and other bits which I've tried to replicate without success (sortable fields). I thought it'd look cool if we had the latter for boxing records (readers could sort by fight number, result, date, etc.), but I just couldn't figure out how it worked no matter how many experiments I tried. I've given up on that idea. 2553: 1783:

here to share and welcome feedback so we could make something likable for athletes articles. I have made this familiar to the martial arts template purely because it's tidy and simple. It has all the columns of information you need to know. It is also easy to follow. I see on the current template that they have now made it that the country is mentioned with also including the flag. To me, that seems no point having the flag there. Anyways, feel free to add some feedback. Would really like to make something new and compulsory.

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believe this article has the merit for a wiki article and boxing experts who have created the quality boxing encyclopedia here at Knowledge will agree. It seems every few weeks another boxer from Chicago appears on TV dedicating a their performance to Ed Brown and that will continue with Kenny Sims Jr. on Showtime in a few days and when Adrian Granados fights Adrian Broner next month. Ed Brown's influence is continuing to shape top notch boxing past the grave.

4598:) that fighter records should be kept and are important in understanding a fighter's career and frankly are useful in linking to other fighters. As it fustrating reading about a fighter career and not knowing their kickboxing/boxer career records or who they fought. I tend to find if its a fighter before the 1950's they won't have their records on display especially if its a female fighter. Just for the sake of transparency I posed a similar question at 1071:

say; the whole event ("80,000 at Wembley!", yada yada) is still talked about whenever Froch or Groves is the subject; and it was broadcast to U.S. audiences as well. I've been tempted to just go ahead and create the article, but then I'm always held back on one thing which every other fight article seems to have—an official poster. How does one acquire those for WP? If I get a tip on that, I might try to make at least the beginnings of an article.

4125: 2653: 1945: 2061: 3883:, there is dispute if even the WBO should be included. Another thing in the WBO's favor is that many of their early champions and contenders (pre-De La Hoya) meet WP:NBOX otherwise (e.g., fought for other world titles). So maybe after a certain year we could consider IBO title fighters being given a presumption of notability, but I don't think we are there and will continue to be far off without a few landmark events. 214:

this discussion topic. Either way I also do not agree with the professional boxing record table you developed and some other things, in a few days I will rewrite some of the stuff you wrote in the MOS Guideline for Wikiproject Boxing so you other users including you can share their opinion. Also I apologize for the invitations I send I thought there would be no problem if I told them my opinion. Cheers.--

3960:. I expected to oppose, but looking at current and recent champions, there don't appear to be any that would not be notable enough for an article here, which should be the consideration, rather than whether the IBO title is a genuine world title. We would perhaps need to define a cut-off date, however, as I don't believe all their champions going back to 1988 would be considered notable enough. -- 345:

from, maybe it would be better to have the Fully-worded countries. The small text "thing" is mostly to follow the MMA MOS "professional record table" style, so I think we should let users decide on a votation. The rowspan thing, it's because I believe every fight on a boxing record should stand on it's own and have their own notes, also to follow the MMA MOS "professional record table" style.--

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with Sineko being 0-4 for the same title. Neither fought for anything outside a national title and only one did either one of them fight outside South Africa (Sineko in Indonesia - he lost). Did a Google search on both - found nothing worth note on Msimanga and one decent article on Sineko. I know this is just a sample test, but its not a good start.

1156:. I am unsure if this meets your notability criteria. Could someone please take a look and let me know your thoughts? Thanks. Article needs work (being written by someone who I think their first language is not English), but I think it can be easily fixed, if it meets notability criteria. Please ping me if you respond (either here or on the draft). 1454:, and how the MOS may appear daunting with its myriad permutations and clauses, but it has to be done. There have been too many inconsistencies and editors taking liberties with formatting on boxing articles (mainly regarding weight classes, sanctioning bodies, and championships), but now 99.9% of those are covered—and I mean stamped out. 4912:. Catchweights in the column have been done away with for almost a year, along with eliminators and post-fight awards, but there's a loose end in the form of "first"s: do we include "first twelve-rounder", "first women's 3-minute round bout", "first bout on network TV", etc.? This could have an effect on thousands of articles. 385:. These are good examples where even people who work on codes are unlikely to remember them. I have no objection to selective abbreviation of US and UK, if it's thought helpful, but it is otherwise good to be consistent. I would suggest that the country name be made non-breaking as a councel of perfection. All the best: 4034:

lineal champions, I'd rather have it replace one of those. Excluding things like the Roy Jones debacle,The Ring has always crowned what is regarded as the division's lineal champion due to its eligibility criteria (clash of top ranked boxers). Sure, there are neutrality concerns since the magazine is

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I don't think it's outside the scope. Considering it can create bigger problems. I remember when 3 was enough to call a fighter undisputed on Knowledge. Now it's 4. It could damage articles in the future and possibly lead to edit wars where one user claims 4 is undisputed and another claims 5. Also I

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and many more. In saying that I only want to add it to the part where it says "1. Has fought for a world title (e.g. super, regular/full, interim) for one of the following current or historical major sanctioning bodies" Not the part where it says "2. Has fought for a regular/full national or higher

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I've had my eye on it for a while, and keep meaning to rewrite the boxing career section to read more straight-to-the-point, but admittedly it's stayed low priority since I just don't have much interest in him. As to whether he existed, I don't have much doubt about that—there's enough refs to say he

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I've had an article for Joe Fournier rejected because he's not notable enough as a boxer. He came to my attention fighting on the undercard of the David Haye fight in the summer. He's had 8 professional fights and has 3 more lined up next year including in Vegas on the frampton undercard. Does anyone

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This article looks like a propaganda piece. I removed the most POV wording but I suspect the sources are not really reliable. Could someone familiar with boxing sources investigate? Also, I wonder if it really is possible to be a "strawweight" (<105lb/48kg) and be 1.73m tall (while being a martial

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Is it optional or complusory for professional boxers to have ever opponet listed or not I have noticed alot of boxers especially female boxers or male boxers from previous decades don't. I've noticed quite a few boxers especially from previous decades have little or sometime no third person sources I

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only helping give a presumption until 2015, would could have the PABA be the same until 2016. This way the project keeps its own list of titles that can be better managed than changing the guideline every time. I would include both affiliated organization titles (NABO) and regional titles of world

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That's not a reason, just platitudes. You consider the IPs actions to be irrelevant to this RfC, yet chose to highlight them here. You seem to be responding to nearly everyone posting on these RfCs. Please stop wasting our time with inane comments. It is perfectly legitimate to make editors aware of

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You do not need to be disrespectful, you are obviously angry about this and I'm feeling a little bit offended by your sarcastic comments when I'm taking my opinion about flags siriously. Whether I did or not participate before it's irrelevant now as I have voiced my opinion and I'm an active user in

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Generally I have no strong feelings against any that are on your list although my personal feeling is that boxing is too title heavy and would also be happy with no regional titles. That probably is a bit extreme and since what this list really is is a presumption of notability I think it probably

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We have five different types of belts already. Where does it end? Will we have twenty different World title belts in each division? Everybody that competes gets a world title On top of that it will task even more difficult for a fighter to be considered undisputed on Knowledge. I think there has to

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Second, the title being held by major champions appears to be more of the title wanting to be associated with them, not them pursuing the title. No major champion you mentioned won the IBO title first - they became major champions and then somehow picked up the title along the way. Under the idea

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for taking a look. The has been tagged with BLP sources since May 2008, so it's a bit surprising that nobody has been able to find better sources for some of the claims being made. Boxing (at all levels) seems to get a fair amount of coverage in the media, so maybe better sources do exist. Googling

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Just an ideal template we could use for boxing articles. As I've noticed this year, the boxing record for athletes has taken some changes. Personally I think it needs a quality look. I couldn't find the discussion for the current one to place my thoughts on some changes, so I have placed my idea on

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I find most of the boxing aspects of that article to be laughable. One of the article's recent editions outright deified him as some kind of fallen legend, just because he had a 100% KO ratio against utterly non-notable opposition. If he was at one time ranked top ten by the ABCs, then fine (one of

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raw", or promoters in the lead. All fixed. The only thing that remains to be settled are the dastardly record table flagicons, and whether or not to use "UK" as the top-level suffix for England/Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland (and, by extension, whether to include US/Canadian/Australian states). In

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as it is copyrighted but is the subject of discussion. The Upload Wizard should guide you through which fair use to choose etc (it should be poster). When it asks for rationale for fair use just copy what it says for the other fight posters when you click on the image it should say on more details.

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I thought about that, but as you had no problem in creating a whole guideline, while we are still discussing some stuff, I though I would simply change things there so you and other users can see them. Still I have no time for any of that now as I have to study. Either way MacDreamstate, I actually

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I don't think the number of titles matters for notability. Yes, boxing has a lot of titles, but so does track and field (e.g., high jump world champions for indoor and outdoor for some reason, outdoor world champions for 100m and 200m, half marathon and cross country championships, etc.). To me,

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Fourth, the presumptions go all the way back to the start of the title. Can we say with fair confidence that, for example, Steve Msimanga and Mawanda Sineko can be presumed notable (fought for initial IBO minimumweight title)? Msimanga was 1-2 in attempts for the South Africa minimumweight title

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First, there is heavy regional bias. For a lot of the smaller weights, more than half the title fights have occurred in South Africa (e.g., minimumweight, light flyweight, super flyweight). For other weights, about half the bouts took place at a combination of South Africa and some other country

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The summary box I created will be collapsible. The reason being I believe it's easy to follow. Obviously there's adjustments that need to be done to make it better but the current version is the exact same as the martial arts template. I don't see how it's not tidy. Maybe including colour makes it

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This is a tricky one because this section is messy. Having the flagicon means there's no need to state the country. It's one or the other. I don't mind having the venue and location column combined as one and I couldn't agree with you more with the Round and Time columns also being combined. But I

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I wouldn't know where to start on this, but I wholeheartedly believe we need an article for this event. It is one of the biggest fights to have happened in the UK for years, if not decades; two world titles were on the line; it was a well-documented grudge match between two boxers who had a lot to

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I want to thank all the Wiki Editors who helped me get this article to this stage. The ones who have treated me fairly and worked hard to improve this article. I feel strongly about the Ed Brown article and have taken some actions of one or two editors personally. I should have been above that. I

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on the issue was very messy, inconclusive (opinions were split right down the middle), and is too recent for a "rematch". It also nearly derailed the whole MOS project which has been in the works since June 2015, and created a lot of delay in getting it finished. It was by far the most irritating

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I thought about Fully-worded because maybe United States is recognized worldwide as US, but what about Zimbabwe (ZI), Yemen (YE), The Bahamas (BA)? those abbreviations are probably less known, so instead on making readers move to another article to find out what countries are those abbreviations

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anyway concluding this anyone that wins the PABA title after June 2017 will no longer be WBA affiliated regional champion Passed PABA champions will be recognized as WBA Regional champions and keep their rankings but the current champions if they decide to defend it it will be under WBS not WBA

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I don't think titles matter as much in Track and field as it does boxing. What really matters in Track is who can run the fastest. You can be a terrible boxer and hold a world title belt (as we all have seen). I'm looking at the IBO title holders right now and I see none that I would consider a

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which doesn't fill the criteria for a "quality look". It's not about looking fancy or better than other projects; it's practicality. They were modelled after the MMA records, but with many differences simply because boxing and MMA are different sports. I'll do my best to address your individual

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Are we still waiting on the flags thing to play out? Let's just bypass it for now and remove it from the MOS later if need be. Flags are only one isolated part of the MOS, namely the record table, so there really needs to be feedback on the rest of it. I'm also talking things like presentation:

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route. Now that I've finally got one ready to go, having spent days writing it and almost the entire year warning this place that an MOS is coming, you're suggesting that *I* don't take things for granted, when you yourself have suggested nothing whatsoever in the past two months except for the

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concerns, it is possible for it to become notable enough. However, with already four major sanctioning bodies I think the space is crowded and adding a fifth my be tough. Major media outlets dedicate themselves to covering the four major bodies and the regional titles of those bodies. Seems

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I respect your opinion and you have brought up a very good point so I have two questions in response 1) ibo has been slowly increasing in popularity and slowly becoming more significant, do you think it would ever be notibile enough? 2)would it be possible to say all full world champions after

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personally I am mostly happy with your list but I would like WBO Asia Pacific, WBO Oriental, WBA Oceania, IBF Pan Pacific and IBF Australasia as they are the major four best titles in the Asia Pacific regional, not including the WBC titles since your already added them. Also WBO China zone is

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the refs, the WBO one, is reliable), but all the other puffery about him having a "world record" for KOs can get lost (which I've done just now). There was one editor who even insisted that, on the basis of Raymi's nickname being "God", he should have Category:God in the categories section.

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under national also add the NZPBA/ANBF Australasian title because thats been dated back since 1909 and lots of credible history and credible champions, but boxrec doesnt have a title area yet but I am planning on making a Wiki list eventually for that anyway we can set it up as simple as

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Yeah, I have not even heard of a number of those titles. For example, per BoxRec, WBO China Zone has only had 15 bouts and since being from 2009 that is less than 2 bouts per year. I don't think we can presume any notability for that title. I would suggest basing off the list I made.

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but it seems incomplete. I'd like to consolidate it along with a list of heavyweight champions in an article styled like the lineal champions list but I figured I should probably ask here first. Other divisions didn't seem to exist as such in the bare-knuckle era but I may be mistaken.

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I genuinely don't think it's being done for promotion. Rather, it's just a case of them latching onto a source because it happens to be the only one out there. Granted, I acknowledge that it fails WP:RS right now and should be looked into further, but I don't see what they're doing as

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column & just have the opponents, date of bout, length of bout & result of bout, in the fight record boxes. However, if that's not acceptable & we can't decide on whether or not to use sovereign state/flag or non-sovereign state/flag for locations? Then I'd suggest we use

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is really problematic since in reality some of them are really of no significance. The same with National titles - not all are significant. How does PABA fit in - I am really not sure but I won't argue against including it in the hard list. At the very least it covers a larger

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I think we need to keep records. They are important in understanding a fighter's career and frankly are useful in linking to other fighters. However, I see no problem with making them hidden by default. Due to the similar nature of MMA fighter articles, we may want to loop in

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I was reading the article on Francisco Rodríguez, the Mexican boxer and have a few comments. I have also noticed him called "El Niño Azteka" with a "k" instead of a "c." There are links from Youtube that could be added in "External Links," such as: (about his organ donation)

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since anyone had any opinion on the new formats, so it's largely been a one-man task on my side to get things set in stone. If you have any other suggestions or comments, please post them, but I can't promise to be on board with yet more sweeping changes at this late stage.

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Having them collapsed would certainly reduce some scrolling, especially with massive articles like Mayweather Jr. and Pacquiao. And scratch what I said above about the summary box—I totally forgot that it's a separate table to the actual fight record. I guess some kind of

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The whole point of the Rfc is to have comment - no one is taking anything for granted. The flag section is only a small part and can be excluded if necessary and added in later. Alternatively (my preference) is that it is left in as is since that reflects long standing

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National - So these are nations that based on my experience the champions meet the metric (note some are sub of above - such as the Irish Union being under the European Boxing Union). These are all English-language based, so it has been a lot easier to find sources.

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Nice one! Making that article will be a welcome change from all the monotonous infobox/record table editing. It would've stood on its own without the poster, but having one—via the appropriate channels—will make it all the more sweet. Appreciated on the tip.

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I like to think WBC Silver title is WBC version of a Intercontinental title Anyway I would like to add IBO World title but not their regional titles add PABA under WBA with a note states before June 2017 WBA Asia title which funny enough use to be WBC EPBC

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difficult for more resources to be dedicated to fights of a fifth body. For your second point, and tied into your first, I think the IBO would need a landmark moment (or maybe a few). To me, the WBO became a full title after the middleweight title win by

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I wanna ask how well is The IBO title known in women's boxing, when compared to the other four major world titles? and how will it affect the statues of undisputed champion? Will A boxer have to get five instead of just four to be considered undisputed by

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WBC-based - the WBC came about the most use way for editors - it organized with a number of other regional organizations. Due to the history of those affiliated organizations, I am most comfortable with their belts. From my experience, I would include:

1014:. Also DMY/MDY is happening, YYYY-MM-DD for Japanese boxers is a great idea. In my opinion we should also use the fully abbreviated country clause for the United States only. Nevetheless we could also ask for others users opinion regarding this matter.-- 3371: 3481:

Is cyberboxingzone.com considered a leading or worthwhile source for citing in boxing articles? I have run into a user who is dropping cites with cyberboxingzone.com URLs all over boxing articles in a seeming priority, promotional manner.

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For staters I think it's only appropriate to truncate the word "Result" to "Res." purely because the column its self is a very small section of information. It only contains a max of 4 worlds and also it will leave more space for the other

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but only WBA, WBC, WBO and IBF are the notable titles and arguably IBO World title after 2010. Also an example I spoke about earlier about question of national bodies notability, one of the three national boxing bodies of New Zealand

3003:. I tweaked the image formatting a bit, but the article needs quite a bit more clean up. The sourcing provided is iffy looking, so I'm wondering if someone from this WikiProject is familiar with this fighter and can say he satisfies 2195:") was an idea lifted from BoxRec, and are helpful when a reader wants to determine "How many fights in did this event take place?" They're also incredibly helpful when creating record tables from scratch, in terms of crosschecking. 4834:

I personally agree. The numbers state that it's the first fight, and pages for MMA fighters don't have the note on their WP records. Only adding a note on bouts named as the pro debut by other sources might be better, as you said.

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I would be inclined to replace "should have an infobox" with "may have an infobox". I am aware that these are only guidelines, the community has made it clear that projects may not mandate or prohibit infoboxes. All the best:

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is what we all use. Some details for individual fights are often missing (such as why a disqualification or technical decision occurred), so you might have to crosscheck video sources and written articles for confirmation.

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So that would be my list. Obviously, once/if a list is finalized, I would make the format much prettier. Not thrilled that there is no South American title, but I am not comfortable with any to give the presumption.

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I don't see a good reason not to include location. It is, unfortunately, often a major factor in results, especially if the fight is in Germany it seems. Personally, I don't feel that flags really add anything useful.

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I think that's outside the scope of this discussion. There are differing definitions of 'undisputed' anyway. The issue is whether or not being IBO world champion is generally going to indicate sufficient notability.

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the question is "Do champions and challengers of IBO titles typically receive non-routine coverage to a level that we can presume all champions and challengers are notable?" From what I am seeing, the answer is no.

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Not on board with fight articles being linked via result type. The date on which an event occurred is more important than the result, is more logical for linking purposes, and BoxRec also uses that format (more or

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The record tables can be instrusive in a smartphone, even while browsing in the mobile version. I'm not saying that they should be removed, but they should be hidden by default until someone clicks the "" button.

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debate with which I've ever been involved on WP. So many of the contributors to that discussion didn't give a shit about standardising the rest of the boxing formats; all they cared about were some silly flags..

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inclusion of some cute, itty bitty flagicons? Get with the program. That's the whole point of a discussion—not to sit on the fence and wonder what happens next, then complain when things actually get rolling.

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My (personal) practice has been to wait until they win or medal in a mid-tier regional tournament before creating a biography... There are many boxers that win national titles and then fade into oscurity. -

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Sortable tables, like the MMA records, are a pretty good idea but not essential. It can be implemented if you really want, but it'd mean yet more minor edits across hundreds of articles which already have

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On a side not PABA did create a WBA Asia title in the passed to be a minor title of themselves but it didnt really kick off example Haithem Laamouz won that title against Sebastian Singh in July 2016

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Still not sure about fully-worded "United States". The reader can easily clarify the abbreviated country by clicking on the state link, and abbreviations are to be expected in a long, repeating table.

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This page -which clearly has issues- is being hijacked by one or more individuals that seem hell bent in removing the relevant tags and preserve a lot of dubious content, please keep an eye on it.

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Hello Boxing writers at Wiki I have an article on a subject which I believe should merit Notability even though it doesn't meet guidelines. I believe that boxing people who write here will agree.

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Well I guess you've made some firm points. I would like to see the font size changed and sortable tables included at the very least. Then maybe down the line get rid of theses unnecessary flags.

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without a huge boxing culture where one champion defended the title at home a lot (e.g., bantamweight (SA and Denmark), super bantamweight (SA and Namibia), and featherweight (SA and Singapore).

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I still see nothing wrong with the summary box I created as part of the MOS. Having had it in mind since January, I finally got it working with every stat needed, and it was heavily inspired by

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There's still not a resoluton, you have three users who have voiced their opinion and have supported the inclusion of flags. We need to reach an agreement to approve this. I please ask you and

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for the existing format, and it's only been in place for less than a year. Changing parts of it yet again, after all the delays and road bumps in getting it set in stone, isn't the best idea (

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There is a debate going on at Muhammad Ali's talkpage, there are a couple editors insists on adding the biography infobox just purely because "it adds more information" which clearly violates

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and is, I think, ready to be put on the main Project page. It has been long overdue and follows the MOS for MMA as a guide. Final call for comments - I hope it can be put up in a weeks time.

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to have records, especially if they're not a high-profile fighter, but as this is an ongoing WikiProject it would be great if every article did have one. To create them, have a read of

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I disagree with ditching the location column. As for flags, I'll post my updated view on their usage later (something to do with the country/state/sovereign state thing; rather minor).

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sanctioning bodies (WBO Intercontinental). I would start a list of titles (or someone else can if they want), but before doing that I think we should decide if this is the way to go.

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look a bit much, but that's all I can think of. It's just simple and basic, you don't need something complicated and to much if you get what I mean. After all, it's only a summary box.

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I think #2 needs a drastic change. I think there are a number of issues. The first is what you bring up - that affiliations change from time to time. The second is the use of

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actually WBO China National title, practically the WBO Asia Pacific main rep made a title in china to get more activity in the region. Also maybe add youth world titles too. --

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I like the fully-worded result types such as "unanimous decision", etc. That would remove the need for tooltips explaining abbreviations. It's also similar to the MMA records.

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being affiliated with WBC. PABA is until June 2017 officially I believe which is when they dropped all of PABA titles from WBA World boxing rankings. I would love to join you

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the current relevant consensus, as Mr Stephen did above. You've had your say - we are aware you support the proposal. Take a break GoodDay... and give us all a break too.

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issue I'm not aware of. Exceptions can also include boxers whose debut might've had disputed circumstances (differently cited dates according to BoxRec, Fight Fax, etc.)

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This RfC should be delayed until the result of the flagicon RfC (above) is known. Futher, including UK after England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is unnecessary.

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My approach is that boxing is a lot like tennis and athletics - individual sports with worldwide appeal and interest. Therefore, its important to be considerate of

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WBA-based - this is more of regional area model (as opposed to independent-ish associations with the WBC). Due to this, I would be comfortable with the following:

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That would go a long way. I hope some of the other boxing contributors will weigh in. I feel if we are going to make a list it will need more input then three.

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for any of you who want to follow boxing related deletion discussions. From now on any Boxing related AFDs should be listed at this rather than Martial Arts.

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is not happening. All that's needed is the city, state/province and country. Fight record tables are not meant to be geography lessons or tourist manuals.

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on his boxing "achievements" (of which there were absolutely none at a notable level) needs taking care of for sure. I'll bump it up on my cleanup list.

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I think we need to change the notability requirement so we can put a time stamp on PABA stating anyone winning this title 2017 and before or something

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I don't like the idea of eliminating the location column as I believe that it is neccesary info. However I agree to using only sovereign state flags.--

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for those boxer's who've fought in different sovereign states. For those boxers who've fought all their bouts in just one sovereign state? we use the

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is affiliated with all the major bodies, which under this current definition anyone that holds their National title is notable, This is the same with

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This is a much bigger conversation than I anticipated I don't have a firm opinion if people want fight records are hidden or not. But I agree with

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field would need placing at the top of the wikitable? That's a whole shitload of manual edits, unless someone can use a bot (I'm clueless on those).

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I can't help but doubt these are being added to verify article content but rather to populate numerous articles with Cyber Boxing Zone citations.--

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Your idea for the summary looks very ambiguous, and the exact opposite of "tidy". What does the big "21" mean? I don't see anything wrong with the

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No objections to tooltips instead of fully-worded result types, so tooltips it shall be. No longer will readers be confused as to what an "MD" is.

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agree with a lot of stuff you've written there, it's not that oppose to you completly, I actually like some of those changes. You should check my

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and altered after the flags RFC is finished. I haven't given my view on Flags yes - that discussion is expected to continue in the above section.

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columns would make things look clunky if only a location is known; a blank cell right in the middle of a table isn't exactly "tidy", except for

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MDY date (in the case of a US-based fighter) is a good idea; likewise DMY for European fighters. However, Japan and some others use YYYY-MM-DD.

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I'm not sure how many of those would be considered in and of itself enough to establish notability or even be RS, but maybe together they show

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I just wanted to let other project members I finished a couple new boxer articles, maybe we can make them part of the project. Check them out:

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Second question is that if an amateur boxer fights in an final for a National title affiliated with AIBA like in New Zealand as shown here

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get s quite a few YouTube, IMDb and social media hits, but not of what looks like independent sigcov. I did find the following, however:

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I believe the flags should stay in the opponent column. Thus because for readers we know where the fighter fights out of and represents.

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Title (which they also have WBA East Asia & WBA South Asia) which have started this year. This is actually interesting because the

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On a sidenote I believe any professional combat athlete whether it be MMA, Kickboxing or boxing should have their records on display.

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I've removed a personal attack. Any boxing experts out there who can help with establishing the notability of this boxer on behalf of

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In his defence, I would not label it as promotional. It's kind of the only site which outright lists all the winners of the mythical

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Hey, new user. If I may interject, I think Knowledge could really use a list of bare-knuckle boxing champions. There's currently a

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Also, unless the "conspiracy theories" are true and this boxer was a fictional character, I'm sure that no random user would have

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think the flagicon has to go if this were the case. There's absolutely no reason nor point it being included now in this section.

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looks plain and to-the-point (the way I prefer things to be). There's only so much I can cook up myself, so advise me, people:

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Very keen to see these changes that you have in mind. How about laying out the suggestions here before changing them yourself?

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No, I personally think every fight in a boxing record should stand on their own. (even if that means to repeat the content)

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This is still going on. He is repeatedly inserting citations to the Cyber Boxing Zone lists of champs in many articles.

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where it was tagged for speedy deletion. Can anyone more knowledgable on the subject assist in bringing it into shape?

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It's horribly written (self-promotional) but he claims top ten position in WBO and WBC (unreferenced) which would meet

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It doesn't actually bother me, having it there is no harm and it makes the table look nice. That's just my opinion. --

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don't think it hurts the IBO title if we leave it as a minor title.No boxer is great because they hold an IBO title.--

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onwards? As a reader, I'm left scratching my head as to why everything suddenly shrinks after the first three fields.

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I would support this if it's otherwise obvious that a fight is a boxer's debut, which it will be most of the time. --

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An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please

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Non-capitalisation of weight classes ("super middleweight title", not "Super Middleweight Title") was agreed upon

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I would say that as French champion he's notable, and there are a few additional sources that could be used. e.g.

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They even state with the announcer in every event before it starts that they are affiliated with all these bodies

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All the best luck. You worked really hard, hope it gets approved. Later will continue discuss about flag icons.--

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Knowledge:WikiProject_Mixed martial arts/MMA notability#Current list of notable MMA organizations and promotions

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with a list of the most-viewed pages over the previous month that are within the scope of WikiProject Boxing.

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Thank you for your consideration. Please note that voting for proposals continues through December 12, 2016.

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Opponents and locations linked only on the first instance, starting from the bottom of the table – yes or no?

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article, and I was wondering if there was a source that this project recommends for boxing records. Thanks

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on the issue of flagicons, therefore any original edition of an article with or without them should stand.

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Three-letter DMY dates for European boxers, DMY for US, YYYY-MM-DD wherever else that uses it – yes or no?

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Three-letter DMY dates for European boxers, DMY for US, YYYY-MM-DD wherever else that uses it – yes or no?

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column be removed from all contemporary records, particularly those which have recently incorporated the

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looks nice and attractive compared to the rather plain and bloated boxing one that's on hold now, whilst

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Looks like there's lots of issues with this... inappropriate tone, possible vandalism, fanboy material,

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Do professional boxers have to have their fight records I feel alot of boxers particulary women such as

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Ed Bad Boy Brown 20-0 16 KOs Amateur record 370-20 Murdered while scheduled for Showtime TV Boxing card

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I agree with everything except with the small text. The only sections that should be in small text are

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We're getting away from the Rfc-in-question. Will gladly end this discussion within a discussion here.

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column, at least for boxers who had no disputed circumstances in their debut. Sounds like consensus.

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NZPBA are affiliated with all the major sanctioning bodies which we all know is WBA, WBC, WBO and IBF

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that one does not inherit notability, the title does not on its own by being held by major champions.

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Further, there are over 260 proposals in all to review and vote for, across many aspects of wikis.

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Not using rowspan for repeated consecutive instances of the same venue looks needlessly redundant.

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Greetings, good to see you here. Just as a matter of opinion, I can't say there's anything in the

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done what can with some and a few female boxers too but I just thought I ought to point that out.

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I also want to add that titles get reviewee annually to see what needs to be added or reviewed --

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IBF-based - A newer organization, but have not seen much outside of the US based regional title:

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There needs to be the country name, in text, after city/province—flags alone are not sufficient (

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I agree "professional debut" should be removed from notes if it is obviously their first fight.

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So here is my start list mostly based with my knowledge level (when otherwise, I mention it):

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Promo bombing is promo bombing. If its being done to promote the site it needs to be stopped.

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There is no need for fully-worded months in a table, as we've been over agaaaain and agaaaain.

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Super Middleweight Championship" (yes, editors have actually written stuff like that), or "39

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There will be no more tripe such as "Light Heavyweight Title, Interim Welterweight Title, and

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so does that mean the NZPBA title (which is the full national title) grant boxers notability?

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How do all the bullets look? Should I use more sub-sub-section headings to break it up a bit?

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In view of all this, I don't think the IBO is significant enough to change the presumption.

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Unfortunately, there's not much we can do about the locational flagicons at this point. The

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A request to WikiProject members: please add as many full British champions as possible to

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Due to the history of the WBC, and my basic knowledge of the sport, I would also include:

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message to inform you about a technical proposal to revive your Popular Pages list in the

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The report will include the total pageviews for the entire project (including redirects).

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Third, major boxing media do not list their champions in their champions list (see USA's

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Consensus can change. Though, I don't know if that will be the case here in these 2 Rfc.

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It's the issue that caused an IP to change the American flags to American state flags at

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it shall be. A "method" of decision or draw sounds a bit odd in the content of boxing.

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Anybody interested in improving any women boxer articles there is a task force at

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It took a while, but I agree now that rowspans are a no-go. They've been dropped.

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It doesn't look like he's used any other sources in all the citations he's added.

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He has added them to sentences where it doesn't support anything in the sentence.

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or "Super Middleweight Interim Champion" ever again. Revert such idiocy on sight.

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is surely a notable boxer she was a European champion in boxing and appeared on

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Thanks for your feedback, here's my take and views on the points you've listed;

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Nico Hernández - new Olympic medalist - re-review & re-rate article, please?

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necessary, if we're going to include Canada, Denmark, United States etc etc. :)

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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and I. Maybe two more editors. That makes four total and a decent consensus.

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The IBO has done well since they open in 1988 and having world champions like

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that I think you may be interested in reviewing and perhaps even voting for:

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Thanks for any help or notes on this. His death was a National news story.

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I like the fully spelled out countries, I took United States off and added

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be a line drawn somewhere otherwise it will hurt how people view boxing.--

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I have a number of concerns (FYI, most of my facts are based off Boxrec):

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You have to download the posters to your computer before you upload them.

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edits from one IP should not cause a current consensus to be disregarded.

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I am willing to start a list. However, I think it needs to be more than

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In New Zealand there are two commissioning bodies for professional boxing

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As for flags, that's been a sore and divisive spot within the past year.

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Yes, it's easier for readers to identify the country than abbreviations.

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Fully-worded "United States" is superflous when "US" can simply be used.

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and certainly his suggestion for a hard list is the way to go. Blanket

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should be in place to let readers know that some fights are not listed.

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and tell what you think about that "professional boxing record" table.--

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certain time like for example all champions after 2010 or something? --

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Anyone feel free to comment, suggest addition, suggest removal, etc.

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don't have thier fight records on display and how do you create one?

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Aha, now we're actually exchanging ideas. OK, whenever you're ready:

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of result is more so a boxing thing. I dunno, that's a nitpicky one.

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No, I believe jury decisions to be more important than fight dates.

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There are some pretty obscure titles there even under the big four.

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If enough folks are of the same opinion, I can make the change at

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for each article, to dig deeper into any surprises or anomalies.

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Including fight numbers is good, I agree with your reasons here.

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Interesting. Could other WikiProject members pitch in, please?

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Sortable tables, I like also and I would strongly implement it.

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title quit the WBC and moved to WBA which created this title.

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getting AfD'd, I would be most saddened—I adore that article.

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There is no need for a full stop after "debut" or "title(s)" (

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DMY/MDY is happening. YYYY-MM-DD for Japanese boxers, I guess?

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issues. Can one of you experts please take a look? Thanks. --

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For sure not the Youth titles - some discretion is necessary.

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He has added them to sentences that already have a reference.

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anybody willing to help improve this article would be great?

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It seems sensible. I can understand why they may seem like

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Method or Type, I don't mind either one of them to be used.

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is a good idea because the commas as separators look ugly.

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Not compulsory, but if a record table is incomplete, then

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Rather irrelevant though, as the 2 Rfc are in progress.

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Is there any problems with this Boxing Record template

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That's funny. Yes it was necessary and glad it's done.

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WBO-based - Strong European ties, so I would include:

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question. I think the last time it was discussed was

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1. WBA Oceania title which been going on since 2014.

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super middleweight title. That meets criterion 2 of

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List of Australian Light Heavyweight boxing champions

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article, which is currently facing speedy deletion. —

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4439:to some people, and the change would be minimal. - 3620:that is PD. Please deal with this copyvio as well. 3257:have any advice how to get the article published? 2846:There is no need for additional small text besides 1625:art professional rather than a starved Ethiopian). 5880:Category:British Boxing Board of Control champions 5365:WBA FEDECENTRO (Central America Boxing Federation) 4933:List of deaths due to injuries sustained in boxing 4927:List of deaths due to injuries sustained in boxing 2392:I think this is perfect for a Boxing Record Boxes 2184:Truncated months in a table are permissable under 772:Too many clickable syntax boxes? I got those from 3159:/books?id=9u1bAx2-A3IC&pg=PA191&lpg=PA191 2966:List of Australian cruiserweight boxing champions 2883:(a project which began in June 2015, inspired by 5368:WBA FEDELATIN (Latin American Boxing Federation) 3768:non-world title for an affiliated organization" 2981:List of Australian welterweight boxing champions 2975:List of Australian middleweight boxing champions 4234:, does that grant the amateur boxer notability? 3815:as examples) nor do boxing rankings lists (see 3778:addition of IBO (full titles only) to WP:NBOX. 3731:Hey I would like to discuss potentially adding 3378:https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Ed_Brown_(boxer) 3344:Fix and improve Mr.Z-bot's popular pages report 3321:Greetings WikiProject Boxing/Archive 5 Members! 2963:List of Australian heavyweight boxing champions 2330:Sortable tables I am fine with and will add to 2121:Full stop/period after "title(s)" goes against 1658:The Knowledge article on light-flyweight boxer 1102:. You would upload the image to Knowledge (not 419:I fully support Mac Dreamstate's MOS proposal. 5202:(not listed on WBC's page, but is on WBC link 3125:/jackie-kallen-what-happened-to-the-contenders 2843:for result types are absent (WP:ACCESS again). 967:"Reduced font sizes should be used sparingly." 5702:Knowledge:WikiProject Boxing/Title Assessment 5554:WBO NABO (North American Boxing Organization) 5435:OPBF (Oriental and Pacific Boxing Federation) 5426:FECARBOX (Central American Boxing Federation) 2854:. These are not, and never were, the same as 2334:soon. It's about as easy can be—just tack on 2290:Again, I disagree completely with truncating 1474:the words of Cr1TiKaL, "Let's do this shit." 1345: 1036:has been in place for a short while now. Per 980:Weight class and sanctioning body format was 953:Not on board with small text, except for the 3508:pretty badly. If that were to result in the 381:for Gros Islet, also took United States off 5834:regarding the wording of the lead section. 5324:New Zealand Professional Boxing Association 5308:New Zealand Professional Boxing Association 1717:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRMXYP02rDQ 1713:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaRjn3zYPVQ 1709:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2w_7ByfMyk 1705:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-iuIDQhpAU 1701:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_KdJ1_aAxE 1697:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQgBFkSX9Hg 1693:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtaYGr-XU38 1689:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoTC3KJ9Fwk 1682:Francisco Rodríguez, Mexican American boxer 1589:Does NZNBF, one of the governing bodies of 942:Also, detailed city and county information 110:An MOS for the Boxing project can be found 5429:FESUBOX (South American Boxing Federation) 5359:WBA FEDEBOL (Bolivarian Boxing Federation) 4207:I have two questions about the Notability 2892: 2348: 2260:Points 2, 3, and 4, I can't disagree with. 2220: 2070: 2010: 1447: 1202:My first choice would be to eliminate the 878:Fight articles linked via date instead of 809:Fight articles linked via date instead of 697:Knowledge:WikiProject Boxing/MOSGuidelines 5799:U.S. national Golden Gloves list articles 4216:which I am personally apart of as a judge 4143:Participation is welcome in any language. 3500:. However, realistically I know it fails 1152:Greetings. There is a draft over at AfC, 5471:WBC EPBC (conceded before February 2017) 5462:WBC UNSBC (United States Boxing Council) 5350:NABA (North American Boxing Association) 4886:to remove "Professional debut" from the 3410:, who is a newbie, would be welcome and 3310: 2359:), and I can't lend my support to that. 1768:, is the complaint department really on 5517:United States Boxing Association (USBA) 5432:NABF (North American Boxing Federation) 5417:CISBB (CIS and Slovenian Boxing Bureau) 5318:BBBoC (British Boxing Board of Control) 4112:Women in Red online editathon on sports 14: 5551:WBO Latino (Central and South America) 5411:BBBofC British Boxing Board of Control 5038:There is a list of organisations here 4711:The report will include a link to the 4222:and is semi mentioned in this article 2327:. I'm not on board with changing that. 1540:deserve an article and is she notable 965:somewhat agrees with me here, in that 850:for multiple repeating content within 784:for multiple repeating content within 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 5321:Australian National Boxing Federation 5275:Australian National Boxing Federation 5049:Australian National Boxing Federation 4963:WBA has replace PABA with two titles 4295:Should Angel McKenzie get an article? 3937:, besides Golovkin who is a legend.-- 3510:list of lineal boxing world champions 2956:Australian National Boxing Federation 2950:Australian National Boxing Federation 2887:) was agreed upon via consensus from 2809:The table elements should conform to 2274:The current date format I don't mind. 2125:. That's how sentence fragments work. 2114:The use of "&" is discouraged by 1734:This article could do with some help? 1721:2601:246:100:436F:6872:7353:D6C8:2A38 1283:How come we don't have an article on 5619:, any comments on the list I made? 5414:CABOFE (Caribbean Boxing Federation) 4956:will no longer be affiliated to the 4139:May 2017 worldwide online editathon. 3661:Recommended Sites For Boxing Records 3175:/interview-with-tarick-salmaci--2394 1392:Should it be compulsory or optional? 25: 4948:Changes with Affiliations with PABA 3877:List of undisputed boxing champions 1840: 1756:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Boxing 1442:Righto folks, the all-encompassing 23: 5573:International Boxing Organisation 5420:COMM (Commonwealth Boxing Council) 5402:ABO (American Boxing Organization) 5264:North American Boxing Organization 4176:Women in Red/English language list 4150: 4123: 3205:North American Boxing Organization 2202:concluded that there is currently 1591:professional boxing in New Zealand 693:Knowledge:WikiProject Boxing/Style 24: 5902: 5347:EBA (European Boxing Association) 5240:North American Boxing Association 4687:– are happy to announce that the 3871:and the the unification fight by 3665:Hi, I was looking to improve the 3087:/Passion-for-life,-not-for-boxing 2188:. Keeps things "tidy and simple". 1287:yet? It appears to have received 151:to not take things for granted.-- 18:Knowledge talk:WikiProject Boxing 5484:International Boxing Federation 5389:PABA (conceded before June 2017) 2777: 2751: 2727: 2701: 2677: 2651: 2627: 2601: 2577: 2551: 2524: 2498: 2059: 1999: 1954: 1943: 890:Fully-worded "United States" in 816:Fully-worded "United States" in 727: 460: 29: 5015:Bellator Fighting Championships 4908:column, particularly regarding 4232:New Zealand National medal list 4180:Women in Red/international list 1778:New record and summery template 1066:Carl Froch vs. George Groves II 712:Yes they should be in one page. 4931:Hi there, I have just created 4763: 4736:m:User talk:Community Tech bot 3335:2016 Community Wishlist Survey 2803: 2192: 1831: 1562:I am also doing an article on 1371:Draft:Christopher Cole (boxer) 916:Updates and near-final tweaks: 13: 1: 5855:list of lightweight champions 5826:Jeff Horn / Pacquiao decision 4345:Do they have to have records? 3771:So what does everyone think? 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1438:MOS boxing: final FINAL call 1110:and the permission would be 1108:Knowledge:File Upload Wizard 1081:03:12, 8 February 2016 (UTC) 1001:14:05, 27 January 2016 (UTC) 911:20:51, 12 January 2016 (UTC) 691:Comment: ya'll should merge 429:02:43, 9 December 2015 (UTC) 338:00:04, 9 December 2015 (UTC) 257:23:29, 8 December 2015 (UTC) 238:23:19, 8 December 2015 (UTC) 224:23:10, 8 December 2015 (UTC) 209:21:00, 8 December 2015 (UTC) 186:18:16, 8 December 2015 (UTC) 161:17:40, 8 December 2015 (UTC) 143:17:33, 8 December 2015 (UTC) 124:17:18, 8 December 2015 (UTC) 7: 5563:WBO Youth Inter-Continental 5423:EBU (European Boxing Union) 5337:Commonwealth Boxing Council 5200:Commonwealth Boxing Council 4237:I do get confused with the 4069:BTW, I say this as someone 2388:07:30, 8 October 2016 (UTC) 2369:16:42, 7 October 2016 (UTC) 2252:07:53, 7 October 2016 (UTC) 2234:15:53, 5 October 2016 (UTC) 1986:Oriental Heavyweight title. 1793:06:11, 5 October 2016 (UTC) 1773:14:20, 7 October 2016 (UTC) 1751:00:54, 1 October 2016 (UTC) 1739:Boxing in the United States 1729:20:35, 25 August 2016 (UTC) 1676:00:47, 16 August 2016 (UTC) 933:this IP obviously disagrees 836:23:05, 9 January 2016 (UTC) 802:Non-repeating tooltips for 471:professional record section 10: 5907: 5527:World Boxing Organization 5405:ABU (African Boxing Union) 5098:What are your thoughts? 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It can be verified here 2954:can some fix this page up 2938:Arlene Blencowe deserving? 2933:04:04, March 2, 2014 (UTC) 2791:Professional boxing debut. 2789: 2774: 2749: 2739: 2724: 2699: 2689: 2674: 2649: 2639: 2624: 2599: 2589: 2574: 2549: 2539: 2521: 2496: 1906: 1444:Manual of Style for boxing 1432:23:22, 23 April 2016 (UTC) 1407:22:36, 23 April 2016 (UTC) 1387:22:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC) 1213:non-sovereign states/flags 806:abbreviations – yes or no? 5892:19:38, 22 July 2017 (UTC) 5868:00:20, 21 July 2017 (UTC) 5849:Bare-knuckle boxing lists 5794:10:57, 27 June 2017 (UTC) 5763:02:54, 12 June 2017 (UTC) 5736:10:01, 12 June 2017 (UTC) 5722:22:35, 11 June 2017 (UTC) 5690:22:14, 11 June 2017 (UTC) 5673:22:05, 11 June 2017 (UTC) 5652:16:07, 11 June 2017 (UTC) 5642:reflects actual coverage. 5633:14:55, 11 June 2017 (UTC) 5609:11:12, 11 June 2017 (UTC) 5595:00:32, 11 June 2017 (UTC) 5399:ABCO Asian Boxing Council 5344:World Boxing Association 5301:22:26, 10 June 2017 (UTC) 4943:10:08, 10 June 2017 (UTC) 4745:17:16, 17 May 2017 (UTC) 4224:NZPBA Talks about History 4203:Question about Notibility 4184:Women in Red/Opt-out list 4120: 4118: 4075:over the IBO a decade ago 3653:14:38, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 3630:13:45, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 3611:13:38, 1 April 2017 (UTC) 3583:00:24, 8 March 2017 (UTC) 1874: 1849: 1806: 1799: 1648:14:41, 17 June 2016 (UTC) 1632:12:24, 17 June 2016 (UTC) 1613:21:34, 15 June 2016 (UTC) 1576:14:12, 14 June 2016 (UTC) 1557:03:17, 14 June 2016 (UTC) 1361:05:03, 7 March 2016 (UTC) 1215:. What do you all think? 931:... 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