Knowledge talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Archive 3

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the concept that Knowledge is not paper; but then again, once in awhile I stumble upon a highway article that is some utterly useless and devoid of information (or it provides original research which may be equally useless and/or obvious, i.e. "southbound is really bad at 6pm"). The Minor roads article idea could be modified to encompass all stubs for a State. As notable information becomes available that would merit an upgrade to Start class, that article could then be spun off from the listing and into its own article. Basic geometrics, geography, and existing road names can all be accommodated within the listing just fine; but I think history is what really sets a road article apart. --

4193:. In light of recent events with AfD, I think this would be a good time to start it up. We have many great road related articles, but we have many more subpar or stub articles that need attention. If we focused our attention on one article per week, I think it would help us get going in the right direction. I know personnally that there are so many articles that I want to work on that I end up doing something else because the task looks so daunting, but working as a team on a specific article would help out. Let me know what you all think and I will move this from my user space to a subpage of this project. -- 5325:

the images on NJTP are fine. There should be a link to the Commons where there can certainly be a gallery of images there (as there is on the NJTP, but I'd like to see it in a more prominent position than at the very bottom of the article). In the case of NJCR 549, it one of those images should be brought up to the prose, on the left, near where "segment 1" and "segment 2" are, IMO the second image. They should really all be on the commons if they're PD, then a Commons link to the gallery there.

31: 3488:, used primarily in the roadfan community. Since so many articles had been written using it, and it's been used in the roadfan community for some time, I told Krimpet it deserved more consensus than he'd gotten and suggested he post at this more active talk page. It seems like he's getting it here, which is fine. But for myself any sort of bold move like that over a whole bunch of articles requires, morally at least, that you give a heads-up where it's most likely to be seen. 4272:@ Holderca1- Well, Texas is special. Always exceptions to rules, and always different ideas. My point is...the articles for which we cannot get a nice article out of (at least the length of an infobox...I hate when infoboxes are longer than articles), we need to either add to them or condense many into (many per state, maybe) lists. But yeah I get what you're saying. That's all we need to say here about that subject. 4954:'s stance on politicians: "Political figures holding or who have held international, national or statewide/provincewide office" are considered notable, thus it can be reasoned that touring routes designated by international, national or statewide/provincewide legislatures are considered notable. ("Prominent local politicians" could also perhaps be applied to prominent county routes.) 4230:

feasible, there are over 3,000 of them. Listing them by county doesn't work, they transverse county lines. Listing by region would make the most sense, but even then you would have some that are in more than one region, not to mention you would still have hundreds of them by region. Although you would be surprised at what you can get out a 18 mile road in rural Texas, see

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highways: only write articles on the major ones. Kentucky is a bit of a problem. Not all roads are state-maintained, but "too many" are; many of the routes would be secondary or county highways in other states. But there is no primary/secondary split; the system is split in such a way but by segment, not by route. Thus a route can be partly primary and partly secondary. --

4526:"List of State Routes 1-199 in New York" and "List of State Routes 200-999 in New York". Something along those lines; the page is probably going to have to be broken up. Kinda makes me wish we could still have subpages, then it could just be "List of State Routes in New York/1-199" etc. Also, how much of the table code makes up the size? 4170:. Then, if someone disagrees with you, resolve your disagreement through discussion. Above all, please remember that status quo is not, under any circumstances, the same thing as consensus. Just because something is the way it is, even if it's been that way for a really long time, doesn't mean someone can't come along and make it better. 3433:

inconsistent grammar, leading to inconsistent forms of the same words like "A (multiplexes|forms a multiplex) with B", "(A and B duplex|A duplexes with B) north to C", "the A/B/C triplex", etc. These could be greatly clarified with other terms: "A joins with B", "A and B overlap north to C", "the A/B/C concurrency", etc.

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I agree with this philosophy; I was just having trouble with the "canyon of text" that runs down the middle of the page when you have pictures floating left and right. There's a length table floating on the left, a major cities table running the length of the page floated right, and any pictures will

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Maybe it's my text size or resolution, but when I hit a gallery, especialy if it runs to two or more rows, it appears that the article has ended. *I* know it hasn't, but other readers are unlikely to continue further to references and links. In many cases, these galleries are little more than laundry

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on at least six different occasions before the thing finally began consistently displaying. The way I approach this bug (or, rather, its aftereffects) is whenever I find a shield that won't display, I immediately go to the Commons (or the page here if it's uploaded locally) and purge it. Of course, I

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I'm sorry if I've been going against consensus and "disrupting Knowledge" as Daniel has accused me of on my talk page, I'm only trying to make the articles more accessible to laymen. Does anyone have any concerns about my replacement efforts? From what I see here there seems to be a general consensus

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It may be that Edeans was being sarcastic, so I agree: assume good faith unless actions actually match words. Even still, I highly doubt any admin would dare let such a vast supply of information go *poof*. All such an act would do is damage Edeans' credibility. On the one hand, I strongly embrace

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article to the bottom because I couldn't pick the two or three best of the lot and put them in the article. I objectively (subjectively?) couldn't tell. Number of pictures should be directly related to the length of the road, though. A county route spur should have no more than 2 pics. I-80, one for

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Perhaps only one or two of those images is good for the article: the toll booth and traffic. However, they could both be put somewhere in the prose, I'm sure. Galleries, IMO, are not good for an article about a road. Pictures are good, yes, but only if they can be put into the prose. The rest of

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to create our own wiki, we could use the same code and just have to copy and paste. Anyway, first, let's worry about getting these AfDs stopped. I'm sure it'll pass in time. We need to hold strong and get more than us five or six participating in not only these discussions about what to do but in

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State routes are notable. Presumably, to be included in a state-funded, state-numbered system, a highway has to have some redeeming characteristics: a need, and traffic volumes to suit it. Not so with county roads: they provide access to backwoodsy areas and haven't been judged worthy of being added

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necessary to have articles for each county route, bannered route and such? I did the list format for bannered routes in Wisconsin since most are just short city business routes which fall under local jurisdiction. Of course there are some county routes that are highly important - though that is up

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Oh, I'll definitely let them move them as long as the old coding is allowed to remain as well. (Anyone caught reverting such a move deserves to be smacked with a wet noodle.) I just don't really see the point in moving them -- escpecially since personally I prefer using "State" for type rather than

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I disagree with this, perhaps for interstates this works, but most roads will have one or two photos of them, why create a category for the road if just one photo is needed, it will just make it harder to maintain and to upload photos as well. I think it should point to a gallery page and if a cat

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I agree, photos of rural interstates should be avoided unless there is something truly remearkable about the scene. All rural interstates look the same, 2 lanes in each direction, median in the middle, got it, don't need a photo of each one. Photos of interstates through urban areas are much more

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and the WP:USRD both had improvement drives, we'd all be working on both. If we want to, that's fine. But I also think WP:USRD should do their own AID of any route in the US. Just think of it as we'd be guests though; not barge into the OH 7 route and make everything as we're used to; follow the

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system. They are a secondary state highway system that connect rural areas of Texas to the urban areas. Thanks to urban sprawl some of these can easily support their own articles, while others are still in remote areas and there really isn't a whole lot to say. Having a list of all of them isn't

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A few thoughts. First, please don't nominate all 5400 articles until there is general consensus on what is and isn't notable. That would be very not useful. Let these few run, then derive principles and use that to decide what needs doing. Second, please don't threaten other users with blocking, if

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That can definitely be done. Another thing that should probably be done is to give the cleanup templates a consistent name. The most feasible NC would probably be "Cleanup-(abbrev)sh" for the state-level ones, "Cleanup-ih" for Interstates and "Cleanup-ush" for U.S. routes. The "Cleanup-" portion is

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as the browse boxes for all the states it crosses are now present in the article. I happen to pick this as a lucky one since there are questionable issues on the Idaho route images (the "bug"), but I put in SD and MT this weekend and ID, MN (with SVGs!), IN and OH tonight. good work on the browse

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Question: Why is California still using "Route" for the browsing instead of "SR"? Every other state I've come across outside of New England uses some form of abbreviation in the browsing (either SR or the postal abbreviation). New England uses Route because that's what they're called colloquially,

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or a preset infobox based directly off of Infobox road, I believe that it is now time to standardize the browse box "type code"; that is, the parameter used to indicate what type of road that the previous route in the browse is. Currently, most states use "Interstate" for Interstates - however, the

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That's a good start. As an aside, I know that when a column width is specified on the first row of a table, Firefox renders the remainder of the table with those widths; not sure if IE does the same thing. In any event, that first row specification should be readded to at least the route column so

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I'm not normally a negative personality, but I can't help but think if we do an improvement drive, we'd get to 52 in a year. Out of 3,219 stubs. Were you thinking of having each state project do a drive? Also, I know nothing about most highways outside of the Midwest (and it's not like I couldn't

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STRONGLY recommend you let uninvolved admins make that call, Rschen7754. At this point, since I've spoken out, I consider myself involved enough that I would not myself block. In my view, if I am involved enough, you certainly are. Take that for what you would, but I'd hate to see a blockwar break

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In such an event, I might be able to get the deleted text (however, I would need to get permission first, or at least advice. I remember someone got desysopped for something like that). We've got a newsletter coming Saturday to raise awareness. A lot of editors have not contributed to this project

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derived from the standard convention of cleanup templates on Knowledge, and the rest of the NC following the dash is determined by the redirects that point to that WikiProject (as "WP:(abbrev)SH", "WP:IH", and "WP:USH" redirect to the state, Interstate, and U.S. route WikiProjects respectively). --

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will allow for either method of programming to work, while not risking botching everything by a misplaced or incomplete move. Not that it's all that likely -- we seemed to be exceedingly accurate with the SRNC moves -- but I don't really see the point in another batch of moves for the sake of (oh

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I couldn't finish earlier because my class started so I had to get off the 'pedia. So the consensus is that no galleries on articles; instead link to the commons where galleries can be housed. Add photos as long as prose can support them; valleys of text are ill-advised, and photos with shields

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My personal take is that galleries should be avoided whenever possible, as they (IMHO) detract from the quality of the article. Instead of a gallery, the images should accompany the prose or (if licensed freely) be removed from the article and get moved to the Commons, where a gallery can be made

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provides routes and all that. It's government work, so any images obtained from the USGS are public domain and you could trace those (correct?). Like I said though, I'm not sure how recent the images are; I looked at Greensboro, North Carolina, and the Urban Loop isn't on there, and it opened a

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Not necessarily true. In some states (New Jersey comes to mind) county routes are fairly major. Also, in many states, "secondary" roads are state-maintained and often frequently confused with "county" roads. Funding, maintenance, and purpose varies far to greatly from state-to-state to make a

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for instance, where the two don't even come close to connecting, and some which have had a section cut out, due to interstates, too much highway mileage, or in one case, the commissioning of U.S. 412. Arkansas has a lot of duplicated routes too, so I don't think the case is too obscure. I recall

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It wouldn't have to be just one article a week either, we could do 2 or 5 a week or do an article a week for improvement and a stub a week for expansion, who knows. Also, as far as not knowing about a specific highway shouldn't be a problem since we need to find references anyway. Since using

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To be frank, whether it's a good idea or not, I don't really see any deletionist movement being successful. There are definitely merits to the idea of merging stub articles, although the selfish part of me is opposed to it because it would counteract the hard work put in on the NJ county route

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That's not actually true in all states. In Virginia and North Carolina, there are no county highways; everything outside a town or city is a state route. Both states separate the routes into primary and secondary in rather obvious ways, though, so the secondary routes can be treated like county

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Perhaps we should combine many short routes into a list of short routes. It's just a thought that would be especially good for routes like County Route 66; we could put 10 or 20 on a page. Perhaps there's some other way of combining some, some better idea. Maybe something like "List of short

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Even then...in the notes column "Route X joins eastbound and leaves westbound" and in the table-wide marker I prefer to use "joins" and "leaves". But still, overlap is better when it's used as a verb in itself, but "has a concurrency/run concurrent" is good, too...that depends on the usage.

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Personally I agree with North in thinking that "concurrency" works better as a noun in route tables, and "concurrency", "overlap", "joins", etc. all work fine elsewhere. Though, I think the most important thing is how the word is used: "multiplex" et al. seems to encourage somewhat informal,

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I can't count that many colons, so I'm going back to the left. I think it's fine. A reader might find some interesting stuff with the maps and shields and whatnot. Never know. I think as they are, it's fine. Creating all new categorys might require discussing it on the Commons though.

766:, I came across several county highways that were former state roads -- but were (IMHO inappropriately) titled as still being state roads. For these, rather than renaming them from State Road XX (Florida) to Florida State Road XX, I renamed them according to their current designation. Ex: 2171:

Once in awhile I get into an assessing mood and attempt to tackle a good chunk of a state. 1500 articles is a feasible number to tackle without automation; we just need each of us to tag 5 or 10 articles per day. Perhaps I'll try seeing if I can make that quota... starting tomorrow ;)

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Agreed. But I think we should shy away from Interstates. At least 2di's. 3di's maybe... the AfD's focus more on the smaller routes, and while we can't fledge out a two-mile state or county route (and I think we have a solution for that...), we could focus on a pretty big route like

4350:, just more fuel to be thrown on the fire during AfD debates. I don't see a problem with having an AID at the state level, but that would have to be decided by those projects, I would think only the larger projects such as California would be able to support it anyway. The AID for 4732:

If anyone wants to tackle this list (I'd do it myself but I have a lack of time in real life lately), please do so, ensuring that each route is listed S/N or W/E and that the "NY-X" abbreviations are changed to "NY X" to maintain consistency with the abbreviations used in articles.

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project's guidelines and rules. But yeah, it'd take 10+ years to un-stub and un-start (many) routes. Perhaps at every level from WP:USRD to WP:IH to WP:USR to the state projects, each dealing within their own scope. From my standpoint, I could be working on the collaborations of

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Exactly. They can be done like that by state (much like Maryland), or for states like Virginia: "list of minor primary routes in Virginia", and "list of (significant) secondary routes by county". Not the exact titles, but the idea rather. The county routes by county, obviously.

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blanket statement like that. The only question should be is if valid source material can be found to write an article from, not some arbitrary and blindly appliued standard. A road that gets press in reliable sources, from which we can write an article, can have an article. --

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lists of uploaded pictures, that have no connection to the article other than showing a small stretch of the title roadway. I'd be happy with pushing them down to the bottom, which keeps them in the article, but makes them the afterthought they seem to be. It's not clear that

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Example: "I-40 overlaps with I-85 in central North Carolina" but "I-40 and I-85 run concurrent through central North Carolina" or "I-40 has a concurrency with I-85 in central North Carolina". Either way, duplex, IMO, is a terrible word, triplex I think is worse, multiplex is

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But when someone accuses someone else of doing something without seeking consensus, it shows that they're a little unclear on what the wiki process is. A couple more quotes from the lead paragraph of that consensus page, with emphasis added, should help to clarify things.

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Okay, infobox road now supports a link to the commons, all you have to do is add the parameter commons=, if left blank it won't create the link, if there is something input, it will create the link, for simplicity, just put commons=yes if you want the link. I added it to

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Except Knowledge doesn't have a legal system in which I could ask for a TRO. At least not one that I know of. We really need to watch AfD and explain that we're aware and we're working on hopefully removing these articles. Speaking of which, we need to be doing that.

1621:. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are 1170:

and many Interstates), they should probably have separate articles. An exception might be if they used to connect, were intended to connect, are both numbered for their place in a grid (like Indiana), or are both alternate routes of the same route. It looks like

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Well since WP is timeless, any road that was ever in one of those above criteria passes. There are county roads in Texas in addition to the Farm to Market Roads which are considered a state highway by TXDOT, so technically, they are secondary state highways.

1040:(specifically the BRION feature), you know about the new {{DEFAULTSORT}} magic word. If on the article for, say, U.S. 177, you put {{DEFAULTSORT:77-1}} sortkeys would be properly added to all categories the article belongs to. Should save us a bit of typing. — 4794:

Well, there are essentially two different ways to do a list of routes. If you want to include the termini information (like New York currently does), then it's best done as a table. If not (which Minnesota doesn't), then I'd agree that a bulleted list is

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All right... that's entirely a stylistic issue, then. It depends on how unappealing dumping a user onto the commons page is. If there's over a certain number of pics in the category, I would consider making a separate gallery, otherwise it is what it is.

4208:, which looks like it could use some TLC. If we mainly let Interstates be our weekly focus, I don't think we'd do as good of a job as if we excluded Interstates from our focuses. But I do like the idea of an AID, no matter what routes we work on. 3546:

OK, I'll admit I'm still relatively new here so I wasn't aware it was a low traffic group I posted to; I just assumed I should go up the hierarchy and post in the most general forum. I'll make sure to discuss stuff in places like here in the future.

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those "parent" categories from Category:Interstate 85. I noted that the articles under I-85 which did belong to any of the "former parent" categories were already categorised under those (or I would've had to add those categories to those articles).

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If we decide to combine "minor" routes, however we define those, it would not be hard to treat it like separate articles joined at the hip, with the availability of redirecting to sections. In another area I have been dealing with, you can link to

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Don't worry, you're in the right place for a discussion like this. I've noticed this categorization mess as well, and I agree that it needs to be completely redone. Perhaps if I get some time over the next few days, I'll start cleaning this up.

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standardization to the browsing, beyond converting states that look the way that Nevada did to the green infoboxy style. Some states use the postal abbreviation for type, some use "State", and for whatever reason, New Jersey uses a blank type.

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Are there really enough Interstates and U.S. Routes to make a difference? I think first the table markup should be cleaned, and then we should see how big it is. We really don't need to define column widths. Also consider using redirects like

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rural image is better than no image at all. But if there's a good urban image, it can take the place of a rural image should it need to be decided. But yes, higher quality and urban trump lower and rural. I'll comment more later, have to

2060:. The road is 1.24 miles long, which is 1.9956 kilometers. This rounds to 2.00 km, which displays as "2 km". This just looks wrong to me, I even double checked to make sure I didn't make a type when entering the length_round parameter. 3766:

I've had to purge images like crazy during my adding of browse boxes for several states including ID, MT, SD, WA, OH, GA and FL just to name a few. On a few of them I had to do the "reloading of the thumbnail" trick over at Commons. •

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I suppose it should be "State Route x" but we've used "Route x" since the birth of the CA routebox. Interstate and U.S. Route links should probably match national standards, although they technically are considered to be State Routes.

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This was created by a user making edits to various Oregon Route pages, and since that project isn't particularly active, I figured I'd bring the question here. What do you guys think? Is it a neologism? Is it a useful article? --

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I think we should include a comment that if there is in fact very little to say about a road it might make sense to merge it. I would also say that all freeways are notable, though defining exactly what is a freeway might be hard.

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Better composition. It's not too hard to make I-70, 80, 90 and 94 all look the same if you're in the Great Plains. I think the idea is to take photos of the highways that allow you to distinguish one from another visually, too.

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Since road AfDs seem to be popping up a lot, claiming everything from minor county routes to major urban expressways to be "non-notable", may I suggest that perhaps a notability criteria guideline page for roads, in the vein of

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The proposal that I detailed above has now been fully implemented, with the exception of the standard suffix (as I forgot about the presence of county route cleanup tags, which would throw a wrench into the naming naturally).

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a discussion has started in regards to converting that infobox to use infobox road. However, a question has been raised: Can infobox road be converted to have information on two routes with the same number in the same state?

5683:(and signs?) are good. That sums it up? Also, are we going to go through with adding the commons parameter at the bottom of the infobox? With the little commons logo? We'd still keep the commons template at the bottom. 5549: 4577:@ MPD: I think about 60% of the article is table markup, but mostly because of (I think) redundant column width declarations and related things. Once the page is split as detailed above, I'll try and cleanup the formatting. 1867:

I think hide/show links would work the best if the necessary code can be added without significantly inflating the size of the template. If we have to resort to splitting it again though, we may have to go by time zone. =)

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to help us categorize the articles we have on highway designations that have been removed. If your state has a subcat for decommissioned routes (like Missouri), go ahead and put it in there. We also have the child category

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A number of Florida state road pages have had the term "Multiplex" replaced with "Concurrency" on the grounds that the latter is a "more natural term". Now I find the former to be more "proper" but what do y'all think? -

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Forking is indeed an option, but IMO only if a majority of roads articles are in imminent danger of being deleted. As a very last resort, the pages could even be archived to roadgeeks' personal sites to host the content.

4726:, though, those should probably remain a link to the actual article and be piped to display the abbreviation. Granted, if someone made an article at "NY Route 598", we could always move it, but why let it come to that? 1701:

Agreed...but on one condition. For states like New York, Indiana, and Rhode Island that do not use cleanupstsh (st being the state), they should use the two shortcut letters, in this case for New York and Indiana,

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That explains the weird appearance. OK, I've fixed the test examples in my Sandbox, so I'll begin making the changes. If any of the browses appear to be messed up over the next hour or so, it'll be only temporary.

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Is there anything in common between the images that aren't displaying, were they all created by the same person or by the same software. I haven't noticed any bugs with the images I have created using Inkscape.

776:"to conform with standard". I reverted him back, explaining that State Road 372A no longer exists, and while he has not re-reverted the move, s/he has made similar moves on other articles. (See prior discussion 6053:

No, I wouldn't create another cat just for pictures, the link in the infobox just says media, it doesn't specify photos. If you just want to link to the photos, I would recommend the use of a gallery instead.

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Since it looks like everyone's on board with this (as of right now), we'll expedite the process a bit and move on to the actual standardization. Let's start with California. I've set up a test page regarding

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There should be redirects between the subtemplates with the state abbreviation, the normally-used abbreviation (if different), and blank - so you can use type=VA, type=SR, or type= and get the right result.

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Seriously, even in that case, get someone else to do it. Bring it to AN/I, or take it to IRC if it's really a crisis, and ask for another set of eyes. You are way too close. Sorry, no offense, but you are.

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Ends Page, either). State routes, 3-5, again depending on the length of the road, and if there's anything "visually notable". If all the pictures look the same, just pick the best one and be done with it.

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I'm not saying everyone has to use the new code directly - I'm just saying the base code should be at the above standard. For example, let's take New Jersey. Right now, the base code for the state type is

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would definitely be more geared at getting those articles to FA status, but there are some that do need a lot of work. Also, just because the AID exists doesn't mean those stubs won't get expanded on.

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I think you could well rules lawyer around to it not being a violation, but that's not my point. My point is, it's a bad idea and the block will cause less strife if given out by someone uninvolved. ++

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CA has used Route for a long time... a switch to State Route would be fine if it can be done. (I considered switching earlier but couldn't figure out how to get it to work and still be consistent with

5406:, where a gallery of 8 images once existed. As part of my cleanup of the article a while ago, I ditched the gallery and included the images alongside the prose, improving the article in my opinion. -- 3176:

I think what we need to do is to make a drive at adding to all of our stub articles, and they are numerous. I think people would have a much harder time nominating something that isn't a stub. --

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used to. I think mostly it depends on whether the two routes are related (continuations of the same route with a gap in between) or just two separate roadways that happen to have the same number.

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AWB would be easier... since the bot is difficult to set up. If I delivered, it would need to have saturday publication since there's over 100+ editors... okay, I'll start setting it all up. --

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The reason I'm hesitant to make any kind of drastic change was that I proposed a change like this once before at the page and was dismissed. But the massive size of the page has made me a bit

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Bannered/suffixed roads: (type) (state) (city) (U.S. Route 40 Business (Uniontown, PA) → "Business Pennsylvania Uniontown" or "40 Business Pennsylvania Uniontown", depending on the category)

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Now I noticed that there are numerous such cases where category X has a subcategory Y but there are/could be articles categorised under Y that don't belong to X. Instances of "Y" include:

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Okay, it's done, put either commons=category or commons=gallery, for those that have already put commons=yes, they will need to go back to make the change. I change NJ 7 and CR 549. --

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Sort of...but the original poster wanted a separate category for USRD specific cleanup templates. Now, suddenly you're jumping to NCs? Let's take care of categories first, NCs second.

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There's been a couple of instances recently of people trying to reopen old wounds (perhaps unintentionally) by saying things like "just another thing done without seeking consensus".

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What matters is the final product; if Google Maps's data is accurate, you can't tell that it is a tracing. The information about where the roads are located cannot be copyrighted. --

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gallery contribute to the context of the article – especially when three of them are written with captions telling the story of a specific hazardous spill that happened one day? --

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Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a standard convention? (Keep in mind that I'm from NY and the fact of having a template named "nysh" irks me, but I realize this needs fixing.) --

226:, I ask you what should the links and the text in the infobox be displayed as? What I mean is (1) what should the text under the shield in the infobox read (I assume State Route 5705:

so everyone can see how it looks. It links to a gallery that doesn't exist at present. It will automatically create the gallery link to the same name as the article title. --

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a little more thoroughly, it seems like the best way to go about it – there's no consensus there as to whether galleries or categories are better, only that both are fine. --

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Just something I'd like people to be aware of so that maybe we can take a step back, and take a couple of deep breaths before we get into long drawn-out fights unnecessarily.

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LOL, didn't realize until I saw my own edit summary on my watchlist the inherent hilarity of my unintentional pun (now bolded). A little humor is good from time to time. --

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wikis then, not just one. But...it's an option. I don't like the idea of the roads wiki not being on here; then it would be near impossible to get info on roads. Maybe to

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There probably should be something on the subject. All of Florida's U.S. and Interstate highways have "secret" (more properly "hidden") SR designations - some of which are

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How about doing what was done for Ohio, which was splitting Interstates, U.S. Routes, and State Routes in separate pages, and then make the page link to those new pages?

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What's obvious to one person is not always obvious to others. It seems we're scrubbing "multiplex" from Knowledge not so much because it's just made up but because it's

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But if they're essentially the same route, I'm with TMF. Only list the westernmost and easternmost ends as termini, use horizontal lines in the junction list, etc. --

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I believe if an article belongs to a category, it should belong to all the parent and ancestor categories — the category hierarchy should be structured in such a way.

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the goal? I clicked on it and there are a few shields, a lot of maps, and one picture on the first page. Are we creating separate categories for just the pictures? —

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has ballooned to 166 KB, far exceeding the recommended article size. Anyone have any ideas for reducing the size of the page? Comments are welcome either here or at

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something happens. I have copies of templates and a few routes in text documents on my comp; just in case something happens, I've got it. And if we hypothetically

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is a similar case (was the south piece numbered to match Texas?), and should probably be split. The browsing order can be fixed relatively easily with a new type. --

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there was a US route in Pennsylvania that had a gap as well, and had two infoboxes (which felt cluttery - having it in an all-in-one box feels 'cleaner' to me).

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Otherwise- to all, I like the idea of each state project having an improvement drive, but I feel it could be the same two or three people working on it. If the

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roads should be considered notable would probably be a good idea, as a more compelling argument to stave off the AfDs. Personally I think a good model would be

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thousands of article for routes a few miles or less that only have a few sentences describing them? If it will be that way, so be it, but we will probably see

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and in the case of Connecticut, they're only ever called "Routes" officially, and only ever abbreviated "Rte XX". I highly doubt that's the case in California.

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California is now compliant with the above proposal. The new types for CA are: "Interstate" for Interstates, "US" for U.S. Routes, and "CA" for state routes. --

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To answer a question that has yet to be asked: Best place for said link would probably be below the little-used links row that exists below the browse row. --

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I would zoom in to the scale I want on Google Maps and take a screen copy. Then I would trace the roads on a separate layer above the Google Maps screenshot.

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Cool. Sometime over the next few weeks I'm going to get some of the other states' browsing set up too, so I'll just copy and paste CA or something. Thanks. --

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turn into an issue on any USRD article). What's the opinion on photo galleries? Specifically, should they be included? And if so, where in the article?

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as well, and also tweaked it so that either "State" or "CA" will work, as well as either "US" or "U.S.". (That might only be for the browsing though.) --

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If you need any help with setting up/fixing states, let me know. My to-do list is finally (almost) empty and I need to stay busy to feel productive. =) --

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This could be harder than I thought. On "Interstate XX in " articles, how would it link to the general "Interstate XX" gallery on the commons? Like

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It could be done by adding a sections parameter, which if returned "2", would display fields like direction_a2, terminus_a2, and so forth. That's how

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now has a bot flag. If anybody has lots of images that need to be uploaded to Commons, please let me know, since this bot is only accessible by me!

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It was taken because the contractor goofed and placed the plates over the wrong shields. But I really don't think it adds anything to the article. --

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I find that most county routes of encyclopedic importance were either state highways in the past, or they have local/historical significance (i.e.

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parameter for state roads and U.S. routes varies by state. To simplify things a bit for editors, we should adopt a "common code" for all states.

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I'll probably start putting up maps of Interstates shortly according to the standards, but I wondered if my technique is a copyright violation.

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After checking out your page, I agree that this bug may not be fully nipped. Never have I seen images appearing and disappearing like this... --

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Well, only if he does proceed to attempt to delete a massive number... it's not blockable, but he could be sent to ArbCom or RFC if he tries. --

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We have over 1000 articles in the unassessed category, and I believe there's about 200-500 more that aren't in the category yet. But I did find

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handles it (though it's separate from the 1-segment template, and doesn't have the conditional). I believe the maximum number of segments is on

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all closed as keep, the last one as a speedy under SNOW. I think that pretty firmly establishes practice as being that we keep these. See also

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US 422 is a two-piece route that has never been connected; it was presumably planned to connect via US 22. The old article describes this. --

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Extra points for pictures that actually have the shields of the highway in them. Shields happen to be great distinguishing visual markers. —

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I love the fact that infobox road does the conversion from miles to kilometers automatically, but there is one minor issue. Take a look at

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BTW please look into a similar question I asked in your talk page (related to categorisation but not WP:USRD) that got archived. Thanks! --

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The technical aspect of the browse should not be considered at this point; it is more important to develop a common code through consensus.

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rency is the best choice. Overlap is fine for article text, but concurrency should be used in exit lists (i.e. Begin/end concurrency). --

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I've been tempted for a while to be bold and make the change myself, but figured I'd better run it by others (especially Rschen) first. --

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Browsing for every state is now compliant with the above standards. Additionally, the "XX browse" template now exists for every state. --

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The type for state roads will be the state's two-digit abbreviation to match the naming convention currently used for the browse rows. --

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This seems to be an issue only on New Jersey pages, but I figured I'd bring it here for a couple of reasons (the relative inactivity of

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I don't believe that my blocking would be a violation of WP policies. However, I will ask on IRC to block instead if the need arises. --

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I would say that it depends how accurate Google's data is, so probably not, unlike tracing a stylized map. You might want to check on

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the right term to use (with "overlap" acceptable as well), but I will wait before continuing, I don't mean to be causing any trouble.

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This template is getting rather large, even with the split versions. What should we do about this? Hide/show links? Split it again? --

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If it's the latter, another option you might consider is to split it into two completely separate articles with a disambiguation page.

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I'll support moving to Commons. But we also need a higher quality of pictures on most articles for the pictures that stay. Perhaps a

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needs work? Just kidding. Anyway, I'd probably help with descriptions of the path the highway takes, especially in rugged terrain. --

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But "du/tri/multiplex" isn't the correct term. It's a "concurrency". Multiplex- aside from the fact that it's ambiguous- links to "

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as "2 California", etc. just like with the bannered/suffixed roads (3dis are "prefixed roads" in some sense). Any problems with this?

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Would it be possible to get a Commons link in the infobox? It'd be optional provided there's a corresponding Commons gallery.

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effort to improve an article or the encyclopedia, there's no obligation for them to actively seek consensus first. That's what

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I do know that we'll have to make a second run through (with AWB) and add the mapneeded, for the plugin doesn't support that. --

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Agreed. Of course, I'm all about scenery. A rural interstate with mountains in the background is a great sight! But yes. A

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The only place I have an issue with this mass replacement is in junction tables, where the use of "overlap" would be better. --

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article (again making sure the "former parent" categories need not be added to any other article in Category:Interstate 44).

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All right, I already created the non-existing categories, so I'll open up AWB and change the cleanup templates' categories.

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It may be helpful to see what we have done in Maryland, which uses a single article to account for the minor roadways. See

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If "NY 5" only applies to the route, that should also be fine. Otherwise there will be disambiguation problems, like with

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OK, all of the cats have been cleaned up. Now, we need to determine a common sortkey. How does something like this sound:

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So, simple (I hope) question. Should an article about a current county highway that used to be a state highway be titled

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Oh, I know it's a terribly controversial "solution" (term used loosely), just thought I'd throw the option out there. --

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I say if someone's willing to move it then let them; there's no one forcing anyone to leave it alone nor to move them. --

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Sorry about that; I saved a messed up version. Now it pulls the name displayed from what's at the top of the infobox. --

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I'd been meaning to tackle the issue for a while, but didn't have the guts to do it until a mini-edit war developped on

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use them, but it's not recommended. And yes, there are really enough Interstates and U.S. Routes to make a difference.

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Just wanted to throw this out there. Anyone thought of starting an AID for this project? I have started a draft page

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Something needs to be done. I like the "List of minor" route, but until we figure something out, there needs to be an

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a couple weeks ago, I waited until I gained at least some support before I started working on my replacement efforts.

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That's my vote, I'd be willing to say make the Project wide stuff not hideable, but each state project news hideable.

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pretty clearly states that neologisms should be avoided, I tried to at least gain some consensus first by posting at

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Why does that matter in this case? We should be discussing the merits of the split, not the history of the user. --

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I think we're making a big fuss over something that can be fixed relatively easily. I don't see the need to apply

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No problem, I'll do it tomorrow. It should be a really quick fix, but I'm about to head out for the night now. --

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No problem, that's a good compromise. I wasn't aware that there were two different templates, and after reading

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A more objective guideline for county routes may be a good idea: what exactly makes a county road important? Are

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I got it from 166 down to 100 with only cosmetic changes. It should be possible to go further, possibly by using

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Those weren't good places to post. This talk page probably would have been better as it is much more active. --

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Yes, I agree with that. But Knowledge has the infastructure needed, setting up another site would be a pain. --

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templates filed under C. Would it be appropriate to move the templates themselves into their own subcat, say

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Agreed. Even if it weren't "too blurry to be useful", it still wouldn't really be useful for the article. --

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When you say a higher quality, do you mean using a better camera or better composition of the photograph? --

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I say just keep what photos you need in the prose and use a Commons gallery for the rest with a link using {{

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The user who created it has partially reverted himself on the Oregon Route articles, and I suggested that he

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A highway is notable if a state department of transportation (or analogous agency) has assigned it a number.

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Here's an idea I was curious if anyone had thought of... What if we created a new separate roads wiki??? --

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Is there anyway to get it to not cut off the trailing zeroes? I know if I put "2 km" on my chemistry test (

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be under these two respective tables, creating the canyon. At 1024x768, it starts to look really crowded. —

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On the abbreviation note, the same could be done for the routes at the termini, as in using ] instead of ].

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Just everyone keep an open mind, take a deep breath, and then just maybe, we can finally all get along. --

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Not to advocate any sort of lack of maturity and well-reasoned arguments, but in addition to the numerous

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should help simplify the code needed to make the succession box on the bottom of state-detail articles. --

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It doesn't matter really which account, AWB would probably take about 15 minutes to distribute to all. --

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You might want to block him for damaging Knowledge (if he does request deletion of 5400+ road articles).

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Since this kind of (IMHO sloppy) categorisation is widespread I wonder if it is actually acceptable. --

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I don't have any problems with using redirects for the routes that already have articles. For ones like

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Everything has been completed. Just beware that some are cleanupstr or cleanupstsr, as to cleanupstsh.

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I changed it so that now it links to a category on Commons instead of a gallery page, since thats what

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the bug was fixed are acting kooky. I used NE2's test page above as a base for my own, where I tested

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I think that's what we need to do... it's crazy trying to keep things straight as it is. Good idea. --

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Just be wary that there's so many instances that have been replaced already. Probably close to 1K. --

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all discussions, including AfDs and GA noms and even Peer Reviews. We need to stimulate our base.

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to the state highway system. Thus, I would advocate merging county roads, but not state highways. —

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True... it does add into question the verifiability of the information... is what is there true? --

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but obviously not all the articles categorised under I-85 belong to Alabama, or Georgia, etc. so I

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linking to all three. The links row in Infobox road would then be modified to match Ohio's setup.

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everyone who reads the page makes a decision to either leave the page as it is or change it. ...

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But why bother moving it? (As opposed to leaving the code where it is and creating a redirect at

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is the ultimate measure of consensus — somebody makes an edit and nobody objects or changes it.

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I was hoping, but I couldn't be sure. It was in fact a one-edit fix to one of the subtemplates:

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I agree with Rschen7754 that those weren't the best places to post; I wasn't aware there was a

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A tracing of google maps is a derivative work. And thus a copyvio as far as we are concerned.

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I still back a list of routes with a short description and what have we. Perhaps not so much

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often need to purge it multiple times before the thumbnail on an article displays properly. --

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exists for that road, then a redirect is put in place to have it point to that category. --

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is on the upper limit of what an article should look like. Still looks better than it did.

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Unless it's horribly blatantly violating Wiki policies (like 50 AFDs), I will not block. --

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Is there any way to put it somewhere else? I know it's a FAQ but it does take up room... --

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Anyone game for a subproject to centralize the discussion on infobox/browsing standards? --

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Agreed. S→N/W→E. Matches the junction list/infobox, the route description section, etc. --

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The solution you are refering to above will not work in all cases, for example, the Texas

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and have other admins comment? If that doesn't help, we could request ArbCom enforcement

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Major freeways in urban areas are notable even if the DOT has not assigned them a number.

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learn, there just aren't that many places to look), reinforcing the "state-based" idea. —

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AfDs on articles, and I could see this going to arbitration in the end. Just a thought.

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Support, if we can get California, Washington, and Nevada fixed to work the same way. --

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To clarify, I will not block unless I see 50 AFD nominations or something like that. --

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Maybe make this a subproject? Should we include all subproject participants as well? --

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Absolutely, just need to modify Infobox road, add a parameter such as commons=yes. --

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Absolutely ridiculous. Left my comments on the AfD, will leave some on ANI as well. --

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Since this page has much to do with all the projects, we are proposing to move it to

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I don't really have an opinion on which would be best in this specific situation. --

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You don't really need to post anywhere before carrying out an obvious application of

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Numbered roads: 00-0 (example: for Cat:Interstate 15, Interstate 515 would be "15-5")

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I agree with the moving to Commons, too. The idea hadn't even crossed my mind. --

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It's entirely possible. Couldn't hurt to reupload an affected image and test it. --

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Most of the time consensus is reached as a natural product of the editing process.

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and get essentially a short article about the B3, but as part of a longer page. --

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If they're two totally separate routes that happen to share a number (for example

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When two problems need to be fixed, it makes sense to fix them simultaneously. --

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We are going to have dab issues if we use what is at the top of the infobox. --

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is pretty clear on the subject. I would prefer overlap to concurrency though. --

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We'll have to petition the state legislatures to adopt a single time zone. =) --

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The user involved has a bad record... see #A copyvio problem on my talk page. --

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Agreed. Will certainly help out where I can once I clean out my to-do list. --

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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each state and optionally the ends (but Knowledge is not a <state name: -->

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Could someone who knows ParserFunctions fix the importance category switch on

769:. A couple days ago, one of these came up on my watchlist, informing me that 6103: 5936: 5835: 5771: 5733: 5720: 5686: 5624: 5539: 5493: 5457: 5371: 5356: 5352: 5328: 5303: 5288: 5208: 5140: 5119: 5089: 5016: 4999: 4968: 4951: 4849: 4821: 4778: 4761: 4709: 4664: 4623: 4529: 4371: 4318: 4299: 4211: 4159: 4105: 4065: 4028: 3989: 3855: 3651: 3634: 3504: 3498: 3476: 3426: 3418: 3362: 3290: 3251: 3192: 3124:

discussions lately and it's haunting us right now. Something must be done. --

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Sounds like a neologism to me. Usefulness? I dunno, that mileage can vary. --

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I like NE2's idea of using redirects. Creating redirects from (for example)

4955: 4833: 4368:, because I feel it would be great there. I support any and all of this. 4351: 4347: 4276: 4163: 4086:

Knowledge:Articles for deletion/County Route 66 (Dutchess County, New York)

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/County Route 66 (Dutchess County, New York)

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/County Route 66 (Dutchess County, New York)

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rather than trying to rework Infobox road to serve this obscure purpose. --

5304:

Knowledge is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files

4132:

And it's certainly true that Knowledge operates by consensus, or to quote

3633:

displaying all shields; when I purge, some appear but others disappear. --

773:

moved it back to the state road name (fortunately the SRNC-approved name)

707:

Which is the preferred order for browse boxes? s→n/w→e, or alphabetical? —

546:

I've gone a little bit further and gotten it to work with the old infobox

4705: 3837: 3815:

Reuploading does seem to work. I was having problems with the shield on

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There shouldn't be any problem with Washington (besides U.S. vs. US). --

5306:. The question is to what degree? How much do the seven images in the 3008:

what is on Knowledge...but that would just give reasons for there to be

5355:

requires that links be the last item or if it merely suggest an order.

4967:, which is Ramsey County 34 and was also part of US 52 at one time). -- 4615: 2084: 1004: 937: 387:

Oregon already uses "Interstate"-"US"-"OR", so no work needed there. --

370:

Just fixed Nevada (now "Interstate"-"US"-"NV"), will look at Oregon. --

5935:

How about a parameter to choose whether you want a category or not? --

4777:

is a bulleted list, which is much, much smaller and easier to read. --

1435:

Agreed. I was shocked it was split in the first place. US 422 is more

1083:

Short answer: not easily. Personally, I'd prefer a setup like that on

4326:

Maybe something like "Adopt-a-highway-article" ;) I like the idea •

4143:"The basic process works like this: someone makes an edit to a page, 2781:

I'm definitely interested. How come nobody thought of this sooner?

4902:

in the U.S., M-class and A-class highways in the U.K.) are notable.

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Holy crap...you're dead right on this one. Is the bug still open?

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I thought with the current conventions, in Category:Interstate 15,

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Knowledge:Redirect#Don't fix links to redirects that aren't broken

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some of the "former parent" categories from the category page and

230:), (2) what should the browse link for state routes appear as (CA 5295:– is awkward when there's not enough article text to support it. 5038:

okay, just noticed this one isn't in the U.S., but anyways... --

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I just moved the page into the project space, it can be found at

3793:

It's probably SPUI's using Adobe Illustrator to create the SVGs.

632:, but the blank type can still be used to get the same result. -- 4927:

This is basically consensus here; anyone have anything to add? —

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My opinion on the matter is best summarized by the existence of

2291:

county route is notable. There could be some controversy about

1653:

Oh, the irony of that section heading. :) I was thumbing thru

2522:

Also mention that the articles are part of a WikiProject... --

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have been written up - now awaiting comments and approval. --

2432:" on all of those AFDs. Perhaps this could be brought up at 1494:

Does anyone else find this image way too blurry to be useful?

628:(blank type). Under the proposal above, it would be moved to 441:

I'm more than willing to help build/tweak stuff as well. --

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County routes may be notable depending on their importance.

3873:

Yes. I'm going to ANI. This is a GA for crying out loud! --

2196:

Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Minnesota State Highway 127

5186:

TMF, rschen, and myself all agree on this. Anybody else?

4414:

Knowledge:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Article Improvement Drive

3819:, and after re-uploading, it seems to work no problem. -- 3650:

I've found it's hit-and-miss. For example, I had to purge

3230:

But SPUI is not the one doing this ... it's someone named

2752:

Is there any interest for a newsletter such as those that

1885:

Yeah, and then don't hide or show the nationwide stuff. --

1104:

Either that, or just have two separate infoboxes, the way

350:

Much thanks. I know NV's is messed up, OR might be too. --

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so much as if a decent article could be made out of it.

4753: 4659:. There's no recommendation against using redirects; see 4094:

Knowledge:Articles for deletion/California State Route 37

3846:

Knowledge:Articles_for_deletion/California_State_Route_37

3377:

reminds me of a movie theatre, I say use concurrency. --

1294:

Knowledge:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Infoboxes and Navigation

5298:

Which begs the question of whether we should have these

4098:

Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Precedents#Highways

3201:

This has been done to Oklahoma pages too. In one place,

2127:. Anyone have any problems before I try and fire it up? 5770:

That's not true; it still links to the right place. --

5715:

Uh, this just screwed up every other infobox. Look at

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Pennsylvania Route 999

3725:

Perhaps the fix is to reupload the affected files? --

2391:

Agreed. In fact, can somebody enforce something now?

1971:

Oh yeah, forgot about this. Hide-show work for all? --

1959:

Is there a plan in action to take care of this still?

132:

The type for Interstate Highways will be "Interstate".

4943:

considered on par with county routes or state routes?

4863:

Disagreed, each highway should be its own article. --

4719:

that the link to the route appears on one line again.

3417:

Yes, I was the one that started replacing the terms.

3287:, but unadvisible. Concurrency is the best choice. 1667:

Category:Cleanup templates for WikiProject U.S. Roads

611:

dear God I'm quoting SPUI) "foolish consistency". --

5550:

Knowledge:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Pictures guidelines

4138:"Consensus is an inherent part of the wiki process." 2595:

So you advocate deleting the 5400+ road articles? --

2209:

As noted on the AfD for the aforementioned articles:

5450:Me too. I don't like "canyons of text", either. 4773:Doing away with the table format would also help. 2464:List of County Highways in DuPage County, Illinois 3700:There's a reason it's not - only images uploaded 2081:searched bugzilla for "round significant figures" 5163:Knowledge:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Exit list guide 3312:. Exit lists...I have no personal preference. -- 5291:. Taking the pictures out of a gallery – i.e. 2214:I'm not against an article for every route, but 1593:- and a number of other states do the same. - 1132:, some of which are only related in name: see 856:Category:Interstate Highways in South Carolina 852:Category:Interstate Highways in North Carolina 222:Rschen, since you're an active contributor to 5027:Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Tennison Road 5013:Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Storrow Drive 4631:No, we shouldn't use redirects. But yes, we 3629:) actually been fixed? I can't manage to get 2212:Minnesota State Highways numbered 120-150". 932:probably thousands more that I didn't see yet 3161:, another avenue available to us is ye olde 2058:County Route 641 (Sussex County, New Jersey) 127:Proposal 1: (2-letter abbrev.)-US-Interstate 3604:Moved to FAQ page of shields subproject. -- 1663:Category:Cleanup templates for WikiProjects 1576:it. Problem solved before it happened. -- 1292:The subproject is now open for business at 5795:I see, I misunderstood what you meant. -- 4815:A notability criteria guideline for roads? 2969:Merging doesn't require AfD... just put a 789:County Road 372A (Wakulla County, Florida) 5302:. Certainly to some degree, it violates 4946:Also a reasoned justification of exactly 754:*GASP* Florida highway naming controversy 4965:University Avenue (Minneapolis-St. Paul) 4830:WP:OUTCOMES#Transportation and geography 3373:makes me think of a type of housing and 3213:was an official term used by DOTs while 860:Category:Interstate Highways in Virginia 4564:List of Interstate Highways in New York 4346:personal knowledge would be violiating 848:Category:Interstate Highways in Georgia 844:Category:Interstate Highways in Alabama 14: 5086:Knowledge talk:Copyrights/Can I use... 3848:. This is just getting out of hand. -- 2690:at all possible, assume good faith. ++ 1842:Template:Project U.S. Roads and family 1154:, which doesn't have an article yet. — 870:Then I noticed a similar situation in 135:The type for U.S. Routes will be "US". 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 4572:List of numbered highways in New York 4506:Talk:List of State Routes in New York 2586:. Time to clear out the roadcruft. 2337:List of minor Maryland state highways 1031:Category:Decommissioned U.S. Highways 18:Knowledge talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads 5370:I booted all of the pictures on the 5061:Is this derivative work a copyvio? — 4885: 4470:? It would be appreciated. Thanks. — 3518:It's just a shell though, just like 895:Category:Transportation in St. Louis 720:I've always preferred the former. -- 104:Now that the majority of states use 25: 5132:I'm not sure how recent it is, but 3209:. I remember SPUI used to say that 2954:articles the past couple of weeks. 2103:512theking is grounded...new user ( 608:Template:Infobox road/WA/link State 23: 5703:County Route 549 Spur (New Jersey) 5538:I agree with moving to Commons. -- 5273:County Route 549 Spur (New Jersey) 4465:Oklahoma State Highway WikiProject 2067:), I'd get the question wrong. -- 1922:What about the split states? ;) -- 100:Browse box coding, standardization 24: 6123: 4568:List of U.S. Highways in New York 2615:Yes. Past time to get started. 2350:This is getting out of control... 2243:to the contingency to decide. • 5952:That works, makes sense just as 4775:List of Minnesota state highways 4502:List of State Routes in New York 1498: 1026:Category:Decommissioned highways 651:Template:Infobox road/NJ NJ name 630:Template:Infobox road/NJ NJ name 604:Template:Infobox road/WA/link WA 29: 5826:Interstate 74 in North Carolina 3587:Shields subproject probably. -- 838:A few days back I noticed that 6029:commons:Category:Interstate 80 5830:commons:Category:Interstate 74 5165:. Are there any objections? -- 3833:A Third, Major Deletion Debate 2918:For your state-detail needs... 2374:against AfDing these routes. 13: 1: 6113:18:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC) 6082:17:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC) 6059:17:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC) 6049:17:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC) 6023:16:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC) 5996:15:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC) 5977:15:33, 26 February 2007 (UTC) 5940:15:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC) 5927:11:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC) 5916:08:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC) 5878:23:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 5845:22:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 5800:22:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 5775:22:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 5754:22:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 5737:21:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 5724:21:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 5710:21:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 5696:21:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 5677:18:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 5656:19:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 5634:19:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 5612:18:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 5602:18:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 5579:18:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 5570:16:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 5543:01:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 5529:23:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 5512:23:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 5503:22:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 5485:21:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 5467:21:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 5446:20:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 5419:20:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 5395:20:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 5360:20:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 5338:19:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 5317:19:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 5251:07:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC) 5227:07:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC) 5218:07:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC) 5201:06:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC) 5181:06:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC) 5150:00:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC) 5123:06:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC) 5106:00:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC) 5093:05:15, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 5079:04:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 5043:12:19, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 5034:12:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 5020:11:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 5003:06:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC) 4982:22:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 4972:22:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 4959:22:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 4935:16:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 4879:02:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC) 4859:21:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 4837:20:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC) 4805:18:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC) 4782:17:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC) 4765:23:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4746:23:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4713:23:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4687:23:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4668:22:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4650:22:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4627:22:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4597:20:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4558:20:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4539:18:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4521:18:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4491:18:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC) 4483:Never mind, I got it fixed. — 4478:20:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC) 4451:17:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC) 4425:14:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4401:04:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC) 4381:20:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC) 4360:19:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC) 4337:03:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC) 4322:23:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 4309:23:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 4268:23:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 4243:21:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 4221:20:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 4198:19:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 4180:03:22, 13 February 2007 (UTC) 4158:When someone wants to make a 4113:19:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 4073:14:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 4056:01:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 3910:I can and will block for any 3826:06:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC) 3817:County Route 512 (New Jersey) 3808:21:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 3789:20:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 3552:02:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 3538:02:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 3514:02:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 3493:04:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 3480:02:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 3467:02:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 3446:01:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC) 3412:22:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC) 3400:22:27, 11 February 2007 (UTC) 3382:20:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 3366:19:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 3345:19:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 3325:19:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 3300:19:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 3278:19:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 3261:19:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 3239:19:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 3181:00:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC) 2944:05:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC) 2820:Sure. How about a bot, like 2718:I can and will block for any 2543:Just a reminder, this is why 2086:. It looks to be inactive. -- 1460:Yeah, go ahead and revert. -- 960:19:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC) 941:19:00, 24 December 2006 (UTC) 842:was a subcategory of each of 682:the postal abbreviations. -- 626:Template:Infobox road/NJ name 290:with state=CA parameter. Per 4036:11:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 4018:05:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 3997:05:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 3972:05:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 3952:04:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 3930:04:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 3906:04:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 3889:04:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 3868:04:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 3778:13:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC) 3749:21:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC) 3732:21:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC) 3721:20:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC) 3696:05:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 3685:05:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 3668:05:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 3638:05:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 3617:04:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 3600:04:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 3582:05:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC) 3225:05:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC) 3196:02:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC) 3172:22:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 3140:07:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC) 3119:07:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC) 3089:07:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC) 3069:06:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC) 3044:21:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 3025:21:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2992:20:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2964:18:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2902:00:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2882:00:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2859:00:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2839:00:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2816:00:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2796:23:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC) 2776:23:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC) 2738:04:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2714:03:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2703:03:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2682:03:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2662:03:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2642:02:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2611:02:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2591:06:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC) 2563:02:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2538:02:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2517:02:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2498:01:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2484:01:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2451:01:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2424:01:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2406:00:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2387:00:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2365:00:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2344:22:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC) 2330:06:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC) 2310:06:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC) 2293:Missouri Supplemental Routes 2283:06:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC) 2268:05:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC) 2254:02:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC) 2233:22:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC) 2203:18:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC) 2177:03:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2167:01:11, 4 February 2007 (UTC) 2151:Forget it. It's too slow. -- 2146:21:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC) 2114:03:34, 5 February 2007 (UTC) 2091:20:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC) 2074:19:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC) 2036:23:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC) 1999:02:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC) 1987:23:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC) 1967:22:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC) 1955:15:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 1938:03:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 1918:15:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 1905:Sounds like a plan to me. -- 1901:03:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 1881:03:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 1862:00:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 1837:02:00, 1 February 2007 (UTC) 1814:17:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 1795:06:08, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 1773:05:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 1762:05:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 1745:05:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 1734:05:33, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 1717:05:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 1697:04:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC) 1678:14:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC) 1649:Cleanup of Cleanup Templates 1642:02:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC) 1598:02:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC) 1583:23:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC) 1562:23:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC) 1544:22:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC) 1522:22:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC) 1510:09:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC) 1476:05:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC) 1456:05:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC) 1415:04:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC) 1388:04:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC) 1379:04:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC) 1359:03:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC) 1350:03:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC) 1329:03:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC) 1309:20:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC) 1287:04:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC) 1261:23:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC) 1242:23:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC) 1223:06:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC) 1202:06:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC) 1180:08:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC) 1162:07:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC) 1121:23:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC) 1100:22:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC) 1078:22:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC) 760:Category:Florida State Roads 689:21:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC) 677:20:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC) 660:17:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC) 645:22:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC) 618:22:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC) 563:21:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC) 532:20:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC) 518:00:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC) 507:23:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC) 477:18:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC) 448:17:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC) 437:05:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC) 420:22:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 400:21:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 383:21:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 366:19:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 346:19:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 329:18:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 311:18:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 265:16:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 255:15:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 190:09:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 171:00:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 151:00:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC) 7: 5873:Simple, use a redirect. -- 5717:Minnesota State Highway 200 3217:was a roadgeek neologism. — 1185:Infobox/browsing subproject 1048:19:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC) 1008:20:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC) 998:Interstate 215 (California) 988:07:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC) 823:06:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC) 802:21:53, 8 January 2007 (UTC) 744:06:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC) 733:20:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC) 715:19:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC) 585:04:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC) 10: 6128: 3473:Knowledge:Avoid neologisms 3359:Knowledge:Avoid neologisms 2569:Now this just makes me mad 1828:file upload bot on commons 1706:, and for Rhode Island, st 1655:Category:Cleanup templates 1625:. Reviewers' concerns are 1168:Minnesota State Highway 62 1145:Infobox Oklahoma Highway 2 1130:a lot of duplicated routes 4672:Oh yeah, my bad. Sorry. 4620:Interstate 890 (New York) 4286:Interstate 270 (Maryland) 4185:Article Improvement Drive 3842:California State Route 37 3304:What I'm referring to is 3000:I'd spend all my time on 1657:and found several of the 1613:has been nominated for a 1591:better hidden than others 1173:Oklahoma State Highway 37 1134:Oklahoma State Highway 37 996:should be sorted as "5", 929:most subcategories of 2-7 758:When I was going through 5828:has a link that goes to 5402:there. 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