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Lingala words ... they are not French at all. If a government minister used that type of French, it wouldn't be accepted. Understand that the development of the country includes business meetings and conferences with other Francophone groups from other countries. Speaking French has got to be mutually intelligible - just throwing in lots of a different language and saying ... that's how we speak French here, is not understood by anyone who speaks French. In other words, Knowledge has allowed another nonsense article to be produced. Yes, there is something that can be considered as "African French" - usually it would include older obsolete or little used expressions, but this article doesn't describe it yet.
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