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I don't think there are any criteria to build this list that are not OR/SYNTH in some way. "Urban park" is country-specific for the few countries that have such term. "Metropolitan" is equally country-specific. I can't think of any criteria that would actually include the obvious examples while also
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Hello! I agree, that this list does not seem to include only "urban" parks. In fact it seems, that most of the list does not fit the definition given by the article ("contained entirely within a city's municipal or metropolitan boundary"). To give a few examples: According to its wikipedia page, the
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Toronto, lies - according to its own wikipedia article - "along the border of
Toronto and Pickering" and therefore is not "contained entirely", not even contained partially within a city. I suggest to split the list in two or three different ones: 1) parks which are enclosed by a city entirely, 2)
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