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experiences with
Infobox Scientist tell us. Who will benefit from the change? Mostly ethnic minorities in Europe and enslaved nations living under large empires of 19th century. Danzig is not a problem as German user above thinks, there a "nationality" parameter is sufficient in most cases, only not in those when the city was under Poland. From my experience opposers of this change show shocking lack of knowledge in this area or they fear some nationalistic edit wars. Well, to tell that all people from Poland are Poles and all from Germany are Germans by leaving only "nationality" parameter is far more nationalistic and dangerous than to acknowledge the plurality of the countries by approving ethnicity and citizenship parameters. This change is far more needed and desirable than endless chat about colour of the infobox header etc. -
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Lithuanian community. Therefore current parameter "Nationality" is insufficient. Same applies for dozens of ethnic minorities throughout
Southern, Central and Eastern Europe. Same applies also for Jewish persons whose citizenship was German, Polish etc. The ethnicity is a very important factor in life of people from this part of the world and most often influences their work and professional career. Nationality in Western understanding is completely different than the Eastern one and can't be used for this large part of Europe. I would like also add that both parameters should be used only when person's ethnicity is clear and there is no doubt about it. Another option is to have blank fields same as {{
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587:. These are indisputably ethnic German persons in a city with a disputed status of autonomy and "hardly a Pole within its walls". Some claim they were subject to the King of Poland, and try to call them Polish by citizenship. On the other hand, according to that very same logic, as there was no more Polish state in the 19th century, not a single Polish person would have existed then, as all were citizens of Russia, Austria, Prussia, etc. See also
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there was consensus that it was a bad idea; it failed because it contradicted the political commitments of one particularly vocal person. I don't agree with Garion's position that none of this information should be displayed in the infobox in the first place, but I would rather adopt that policy than continue to perpetuate the nationalist premise that citizenship and nationality are synonyms. –
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which would be a beach. This would only be used in a handful of instances but the same can be said for weight and citizenship, they are hardly ever used but in some instances will be notable for the subject in question. This is only a minor edit to add great clarity to some articles when using this template.--
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organization, but by individual countries. So, if XYZ is notable in Poland, with reliable sources available in Polish, there is very little I can do to estimate the number of international notables on wikipedia. The links above should serve a rough guide as to the number of call sign holders to begin with.
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have given to the other users have satisfied any doubts they had. This is because they havn't commented again questioning my response or the need for the field, also there is a sufficient volume of debate going on as shown by the discussions below, if any of them opposed they would have said something.--
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In any case, I am glad that you made this request and followed through with the edit. It seems, though, that we still need to provide editors with guidelines on how to differentiate between and use these three parameters. Would you be willing to collaborate with me on a revised proposal to do this? –
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I noticed that the infobox for people contains religion = but this translates to "Religious beliefs" on the actual page. Wouldn't "religion" or "religious affiliation" be a better term? You might know what church a person attends or what religion they profess, but you don't know their actual beliefs.
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Use of the 'birth name' field in place of an alternative 'full name' field (as currently seems to occur commonly) gives the impression that a person has changed their name, when in fact they just happen not to be generally known by their full name. Most people with more than one forename are known by
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I agree that call signs are not private data the same way an address or phone number is. However, they are generally not encyclopedic data, unless the persons notability is for their ham radio activities. Thus this should not appear in the general infobox, it should only be used where it fits into
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I think there should be a new field added it would not be frequently used and would cover a small loophole when dealing with notable murder victims e.g. famous people who are abducted. this would be used when the death place cannot be ascertained. The field is where the body was discovered and would
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the issue. Using 'citizenship' (an objectively identifiable legal status) as the default parameter, and only using 'nationality' or 'ethnicity' in addition to citizenship when they verifiably differ from it, is more likely to help avoid controversy than to create it. My proposal did not fail because
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And, as I contributed at BLP Talk, Ham calls differ from phone numbers and addresses in this one aspect: They are (at least in the U.S.) public records that are more than readily searchable online. You can choose to have a public or private phone number, you can choose whether or not to make your
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Nobody has said anything opposed to this field since I last commented. If we had to wait for a large volume of support we could be here years. Nobody has commented since I last posted except me, if you have an objection to this field please say something. I though have to assume that the replies I
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Is there a generic term for "how bodies are handled after death" that doesn't preclude any methods? None come to mind and a quick look at thesaurus.com didn't seem to yield anything. If there is none, perhaps this part of the template needs recoding with (say) "burial place" as the default but the
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I'm sorry if I gave you the impression 'that I'm not sure if there is a quantifiable need for this property', but that's not the case. I've given the comparison between ships, planes and radio station infoboxes that have the same call sign fields. Could you elaborate why you feel that there is no
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This is notable enough in a small number of cases to clear up a small loophole and for completeness of information. In high profile cases, for example where a person dies by falling out to sea, the place of death would be by falling in to the sea but would be different to where the body was found
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I disagree as the place where the body was found could be significant information early on and may be why the death was notable in the first place. For example news reports where they start with "a body was found on a beach." This body discovery is what has made it notable although the place of
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The change of WP view towards nationality issue is desperately needed. WP adopted rough
American view on this issue. In US arguably every citizen is American but in European, especially Eastern European countries it is not the case. Inclusion of these two additional parameters is very healthy as
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True, I prefer much of the information put in this infobox should only be included in the text. To me information in an infobox should consist of simple uncontroversial material. The fact that nationality can both mean ethnicity and citizenship is to me already a good indication that it doesn't
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In this way of thinking the whole infobox is redundant as all info can be included in the text. You also seem to confuse the terms. Nationality can mean both ethnicity and citizenship, that's why it is highly confusing to use it for ethnic minority persons in the infobox. Fear of lame edit wars
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I disagree. The call-signs can be verified through reliable sources. I've also provided links above of internationally-renowned notable people with call signs. Using that information, it can be independently cross-verified. As I said, the call signs are not published by a central international
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that includes guidelines for use. I initially focused on the distinction between citizenship and nationality, but agreed that ethnicity should also be available as a parameter when the point was raised by another editor. As you can see, however, the proposal failed, and I have to wonder where
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against
Central and Eastern Europe for example. I will give you an example, there is a Lithuanian artist/musician from contemporary Poland. His citizenship is Polish, his ethnicity Lithuanian. He graduated only from Lithuanian minority schools in Poland and focuses on a work about life of his
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Hahaha. If you won't make my job easier, the template can stay broken until another admin has time to deal with this request. Though at the moment, I seem to be the only one watching these. Update the sandbox or don't, but you're the one who wants an edit done and you can't do it yourself.
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1655:. Such details would be easily available through reliable sources. Now, if reliable sources are available online that a notable person XYZ is an amateur radio operator, the only way to corroborate this information is by mentioning his or her call sign, which is public enough.
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We don't publish addresses, phone numbers, email or screen names for the subject of a biography. Identification by call sign does not reveal your identity to anyone but the government agency who might be monitoring and those the originator might trust. See
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as far as i can tell, there's no provision in any relevant mos i could find that permits the inclusion of the decorative images to infoboxes. barring any objections, i'll add explicit instructions to the documentation to match the other infoboxes.
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No, call signs are public information. A person coming on air must identify himself by his call sign. This is a legal requirement. An analogy would be the physical address of
Knowledge (which is private), and the Post Office Box, which is public.
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Why list a person's parent's names only if "notable"? Shouldn't they always be listed? I propose to remove the "notable" restriction. The restriction should stay for relatives, and only those that are notable enough to have
Knowledge entries.
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edit wars (I can really see that happening) I actually think this info does not belong in the infobox at all but in article text. With text you can much better explain (and source) that he is an ethnic
Lithuanian but has a Polish nationality.
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This template contains the euphemism "resting place" which should be replaced with the more factual and neutral "burial place". Euphemisms have no place in an encyclopaedia and "Resting Place" is such a hackneyed phrase anyway.
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cannot stop us from improving this encyclopedia. Edit wars and vandalism are a living danger but they will be so anyways. As I said before, the experiences with
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It is proposed for addition as a new field 4 between the current field 3 and field 4 as this is where the other related topics such place or death and date of death etc are located so adding to the bottom would be out of
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I've noticed that the 'employer' parameter displays as 'employers'. Could we change this to just 'employer' or, at least, 'employer(s)'? I would change it to the latter myself, but the template seems to be in lockdown. –
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Is there an agreement on the use of the silhouette image when no photo is available? I think it looks terrible. Would it be appropriate to take them off, especially some who it would be very difficult to get an image?
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We use an infobox to summarise key details about an individual. Now the following three: Ships, Aircraft, and Radio stations are all given a unique call sign by the government licensing authority of a country. (See
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As I said, it varies from country to country. India's licensing system is bureaucratic and slow, and as of date there are only 17,000 operators (many of them inactive, 7,000 added in the last eight years alone).
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Having now looked at the example, I presume that the name field is supposed to be the full name. I don't think I've ever seen this done in preference to the article name in an actual article – not till I checked
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I just came back to
Knowledge recently, and I am surprised both that no one has responded to this proposal and that the subsequent edit to put it into effect has not been challenged. I made a similar request
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It has been added and still does not appear in the standard info box can somebody experienced fix this so it does appear. The inserted text has not caused a break of any sort to the rest of the parameters.--
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go under the title of body discovered. I have already added it to the doc page to show what it looks like. Please can an admin add the necessary code to help clear up this small loophole. Many thanks--
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Though you haven't said as much, it seems to me that you're not sure that there's a quantifiable need for this property, on
Knowledge. I invite you to persuade me (and everyone else) that there is.
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How about adding paramenters for the color of a person's hair and eyes? Many people are noted for this. Since almost all of the parameters are optional, the would only be used if needed.
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After all, churches are filled with hypocrites and cafeteria-style believers who pick and choose which elements of their professed religion to believe/observe/obey and which to ignore.
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is one front end GUI that uses the publicly available FCC database.) Automatically being public record is, to me, the difference between a Ham call and an address or a phone number.
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If you want. There may be others that could be pluralized. This is a minor quibble, so it could certainly hold off for the next major update since this is a highly used template. --—
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err....do your homework. there's been much discussion on this topic already. however, if more discussion is required....well then that's why i stated 'barring any objections.' --
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As far as I can see there is no reference to "burial place" in the current version of the template, only "resting place". I've copied the current template as it stands into the
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In that case, wouldn't place of death simply be "unknown"? Then the relevant details about the death (location body was found, etc.) would be explained in the article body. --
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1284:- sorry, but "body location" could be thought to be where someone is buried. Something more descriptive, like "Body_recovered_from" or "Body_discovered", would be better.
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The straight-forward edit was already completed. You broke it; please don't expect me to do extra, unnecessary, work before you fix it. And please don't growl at me.
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We need "Ethnicity" and "Citizenship" as parameters, because "Nationality" (and its sloppy use) leads to misunderstanding and edit wars. Just look at anybody born in
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Factually many of the dead are not resting, the atheists have simply ceased to exist, Hindus and Buddhists are busy elsewhere in another incarnation etc. etc.
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for the call sign blocks). What should be discerned by "Radio stations" is that it is just not the commercial AM and FM radio stations, but is also inclusive
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Ummmn, call signs have nothing to do with television or radio (commercial radio broadcasting). A call sign is unique to the person for purposes of
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The call sign parameter would be used in articles where the person is also noted for amateur radio activities. Examples of biographies would be
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I would actually prefer the removal of the parents parameter. That information does not belong in the infobox, but only in the article text.
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1620:. If the person in question has a personal and public web page where they publish that information, then that is an acceptable link. --—
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My opinion is that occupation should be the current occupation - the profession, if different, should be more of a "life-long" thing. --
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One of the changes turned off the wraparound feature of the image caption. Ihave reverted all changes until the one can be isolated. --
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It did take me a couple of months to stumble back across it and answer the question. Not a big deal, just a minor cosmetic bump. --—
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parameter already exists. Adding this code would break things. Feel free to re-enable the editprotected request if appropriate. --
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As it has been a week and no more discussion has taken place can the requested field please be added to the template.--
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I really want to see the general policy towards this changed but I fear it would unleash a backlash and disapproval. -
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Don't we have a policy on personal contact information such as address and phone number? wouldn't this be similar? --—
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I have a small aesthetic problem with pluralizing in this manner that can be resolved with a simple switch. See
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Why is it necessary in a general person info-box and not on a celebrity or t.v./radio personality info-box?--
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Are there any further objections to the addition of this new field? 1 further days notice is being given.--
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Right, that's why ethnicity and citizenship parameters ease much the orientation of the reader. Look at
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So therefore I see no reason why infobox person should lack the callsign field for licenced operators.
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Hello. I would like to propose addition of "Citizenship" and "Ethnicity" parameters, same as in the {{
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There are two "label 18"'s in this table and no label 19. Could the following change be made please.
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does it. Just state where the person was born and explain the nationality and ethnicity in the text.
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Sure, I can even imagine it without the nationality AND the ethnicity parameter. :) Just like
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Thank you, but sadly undone, albeit apparently inadvertently, in the following edit.
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is now. Perhaps it was myself, instead of my proposal, that was the 'problem'.
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Can anybody add the interwiki from the wikipedia in spanish? I mean this one:
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How many biographical articles on Knowledge feature the subject's call sign?
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Looks like you are right. The Gates example is missing the birth place. --
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How about adding a field on the language(s) the person speaks, or accent? --
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etc. Unless there are objections to this, then I will change it. -
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last Fall and, after it met some resistance, I followed up with a
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and someone will copy the sandbox into the template page itself.
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only one of these, so a 'full name' field is desperately needed.
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the prose of the article and is supported by surrounding text.
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Nobody else seems to be convinced that it's a good idea, yet...
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operators. See some examples of the call sign being used for:
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Still why is it a necessity in this infobox or any info box?--
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Please add new between the existing third and fourth labels.
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So it seems. I don't know how that happened. Apologies, all.
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please be more specific about what needs to be changed.
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possibility to subsitute "cremated"/"resomated"/etc...
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1959:Presidential Medal for Merit & others
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