Template talk:Infobox person

1807:, a “Georgian-Ukrainian journalist and film director who was kidnapped and murdered in 2000 near Kyiv”. Now take a step back and reevaluate OP’s intentions as opposed to your own. OP’s seem very genuine and sincere, providing invaluable insight into an oversight on the part of template editors. Now, take a moment to consider YOUR intentions. Do you just love to argue and be right? If so, good for you! Enjoy asserting your perceived moral and intellectual authority over individuals trying to contribute to Knowledge, and then don’t forget to question why the rate of new editors is on a rapid decline - threatening the very site you hold your imagined authority over. Because your inability to connect those dots is incredible to me, and I love to witness a good display of idiocy. 3926: 586: 568: 2413:

suspicious deaths. As a result, Williams's remains had to be driven about 40 miles to Napa County for an autopsy, where Marin rents space from Napa as needed, and then driven 40 miles back to Marin County for cremation and dispersal of his ashes over San Francisco Bay. But with time and maturity, I have come to recognize that such information is relatively minor trivia compared to the more important issue of why Williams died, and was properly excised as a tangent from the main topic of the article. --

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wildly more accurate and in line with what had happened — that perhaps as a side effect they may feel seen. We certainly shouldn’t make it our aim to do things to make people feel seen, but when the inclusion of something as important as someone’s interment just so happens to validate the real life experiences of others, that’s always nice.

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vast majority of readers will not click on the link, but readers who are confused about the meaning or who get angry about it and are about to write us an angry letter are a lot more likely to do so. I'm afraid readers will actually not be familiar with the meaning of this field, because for most biographies, it's omitted per

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Editors on here act as if adding a parameter takes up precious space. Parameters don’t take up any space and are only visible when explicitly type in by an editor writing an article. There is no dropdown selection of parameters that will now become cluttered with the inclusion of a new parameter, and

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As OP pointed out, there is a burial place parameter but no burial date parameter. It’s just pointlessly excluded. We have birthplace and date of birth. We have death date and place of death. Why burial location without the date of burial? The argumentagainst it is what seems pointless to me, not the

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Some would consider the interment of a human being to the earth to be the very last thing that happens to them in their life, meaning before eternal life. For Christian denominations, the Christian burial is considered sacred. In MANY cultures, the interment of a human body to the earth is sacred and

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would be a very nice addition to the infobox parameters! :) I think that what a lot of people on here who think date of death is sufficient don’t understand is that some people aren’t so lucky to know the date their loved one died. If we have parameters for when someone went missing.. I think haven’t

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For count vs both? No. I believe they return identically, but I am far from an expert scripter, and I’m unsure what would be needed to thoroughly test the two. And at this point I would prefer to just address the primary edit request, when the count method clearly works fine, it’s just not as short.

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I believe the only undeniable argument is that of uniformity. Please disregard my previous comments that lacked solid logic and unnecessarily insulted editors engaged in discussion. There is no excuse for my behavior, but I was having a pretty rough morning and inappropriately vented my frustrations

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This is not true: the existence of a parameter in itself makes editors like to use it, and blank templates are often pasted on to new pages, incentivizing other editors to come along and fill in the gaps. You asked whether it would be a good idea, and we're telling you why we don't think it is. Good

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Hmm, I was being cautious about not making too intrusive a change, but you're probably right a link is perhaps too small a change to clarify that this is not an ethnicity. A footnote is a good idea, but it might take a fair amount of work to make it show up in the right place across all the affected

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It was removed because it was being used problematically to display ethnicity instead of nationality when included as a default parameter. And no, it should not be restored. There is a discussion above on this talk page, with a link to the broader conversation at MOS that would be the basis for its

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It is a dominant practice, when adding infoboxes, to fill every field... like a farmer before crop rotation. That doesn't mean it's a good practice. Because so many people act this way, the response from others in discussions like this is to remove fields if they could appear too tempting. In cases

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I didn't call it trivia, I just don't think it's usually reflected prominently enough in sources about a subject to have a parameter added for the infobox. Obviously it's very relevant for some subjects, but I can't think of any class of subjects large enough to make this a net positive addition,

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would be far from trivial for the individuals whose dates of death are unknown due to being kidnapped and murdered, lost, or held hostage. For those people and their families do you think they consider the date of interment “trivia” or the only thing they have? Think before you write something so

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you are referring to, exactly, or what you're taking away from it? The advice there seems more applicable to article prose; in an infobox, we can't replace the link with an explanation of the meaning or an alternative term (as far as I know, this is the correct term for what it is). It's true the

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Hmm. I wonder if there is a lunar year template to base the calculations off of, or whether you'd need to program that functionality in. Given that both the lunar new year and January new year are used, you'd need to be able to specify which to use in the calculation. But if the template were to

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If I may, you are misunderstanding me. I am not saying we have a duty to make the subjects families feel seen. I am saying that those who have been through similar situations and had family members meet similar fates to that of notable subjects would see the interment parameter and it would feel

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I think most Christians believe that the transition from mortal life to eternal life is instantaneous and that there is no "limbo period" which is terminated only by burial. That's not to say that Christian burial is not also seen as a sacred act. Other faiths seem to put much more emphasis in

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Please read what I wrote again. I said my initial comment was saying that it would be a nice side effect of including a parameter that would be factually accurate. Forget about the happy feelings of the living now, as it was just a comment. For the subjects of the articles that would use this

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That sounds like an interesting fact which would be neat to add to an infobox. If we're worried about people abusing the field, it seems like it would be much more likely for people to put ethnicity here, given that's what most people think nationality means if it doesn't mean citizenship. --

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died almost 10 years ago, we had quite a dispute in that article over how to cover the post-death treatment of his remains. I thought it was important to include the information that Marin County, despite its fame and wealth, didn't have and still doesn't have a county morgue for processing

1068:: I have not stated that. I've only said that the proposed link doesn't resolve the concern. As for "(legal)", I don't think it would be an improvement to invite editors to highlight additional nationalites that some people technically have, but which are not part of their notability. — 1082:

Presumably folks with Knowledge biographies are notable for something other than their nationality? Isn't that what this field is for, to document legal nationalities that are unexpected, since the guidelines say if it's obvious from the birth country not to list it? --

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Would one need to assess the relative importance of date of burial between those of different religious faiths? Would this, in turn, necessitate some kind of assessment, on the part of the editor, of the religious beliefs of the deceased at the time of death? Thanks.

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Considering charges can be dropped against someone, would making the guidelines clearer to limit charges to only those that actually resulted in criminal prosecution? (Whether acquitted or found guilty.) If not, what examples could there be of someone having a

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Would it be good to have clearer guidelines on the usage of the "criminal charges" parameter? Criminal charges appear to be much like wedding engagements. They are short-lived preludes to longterm events: Convictions or marriages (write your own joke :)

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This is for an infobox, not the lead. The lead is written in prose, whereas the infobox is in a key-value format, where I think links on the keys are actually generally helpful because there's usually no room to put anything other than the key

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though with some caution on exact format. This is useful where we don't have a death date - both cases like murders, and historical cultures where burial dates rather than death dates were recorded (e.g. I'm pretty sure we don't actually know

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My personal stance is that since the burial location parameter already exists, my argument about interment was pointless. I think that striving for uniformity is very valuable for editors, especially when aiming to create a platform that is

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cases where only one of the parents is notable—carries too much implication that the person only had one parent? The label obviously carries the implication of “ parent” to us editors, but the general readership is unlikely to get that.

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TLDR: Bios with a single notable father or mother will display the parameter label as ‘Father’ or ‘Mother’; bios with two notable parents will display ‘Parents’; bios which want to display ‘Parent’ for any other reason can still do so.

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parameter, don’t you think that their date of interment is a wildly important fact about them? Being the very last thing that happened to them in their life? On a level of importance it’s up there with their birth. Don’t you think?

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Ignoring the fact that not everyone chooses burial, I don't see why anything like this belongs in an infobox. The article body allows information to be added with flexibility available to fit the particular person/situation.

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articles. We could change the field name itself, to something like "Legal nationality" or "Nationality (legal)"? I still think a link would be helpful for the curious, and it doesn't sound like it would have a down side? --

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Comment: sometimes a ref says a person’s alma mater is “x”, but they also attended other schools, with the alma mater being the first school attended. However, its use on the infobox does not appear uniform. Semper fi!

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I guess the template advice might say something like: "Do not use if date of death is known"? But yes, you're right, some editors are wholly unware of template advice and will just try to fill up all the parameters.

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output both ages, I think that would be a perfectly reasonable thing to have. I'd just caution that documentation should emphasize it only be used when reliable sources use the east asian age system for the person.

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I noted this above, but in case you missed it, the infobox documentation already states that this field should only be used in the event of a conviction. I think the IP needs to clarify their concerns and proposal.

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for consistency with parameters for related information. Whether it should be used or not is an editorial decision to be made on each article, not one that should be forced by a centralized coding decision.

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I am so sorry.. but I feel the overwhelming urge to respond, that it is quite possible for one to put on a display of idiocy without being an idiot... but that was entirely unnecessary to add to this thread.

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a parameter for interment would be a very nice addition that would validate the experiences of many people. Would you be alright with me starting an official discussion on this for editors to take a vote?

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label when only one field is filled is an improvement. You can't be a father without being a parent, just as you can't be a son without being a child. So why should this be any different? We don't have a

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Now I'm confused by what change you're proposing. The documentation for the infobox already states that that field should only be used in the case of convictions, which seems pretty unambiguous to me?

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However, we are all entitled to our opinions without being needlessly insulted. I would like to apologize again. That’s all I have to say on this matter. Thank you for continuing the conversation.

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There is also a difference between spreading of ashes and interment of ashes. I suspect that, for many people, the dates of these events are never made public, unlike those for cremation/ funeral.

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I'm trying to add "| conviction_status = Incarcerated" and this template does not support it. Honestly makes editing way harder than it has to be if everything was streamline and centralized.

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As it doesn't address the original stated issue, adding a link is extraneous. Every reader has access to the search box, so the curious few can enter "Nationality". There's also the guideline

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Again, we're concerned with reflecting what sources have to say, not putting forth what we have to say. No, I do not think it is as important as birth or date of death most of the time.

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I usually find it more appropriate to use merely the country name as opposed to the historiographical label for the period, unless there is an important reason to emphasize the period.

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to clarify this field is for a legal status and not an ethnicity, and so people can hopefully be more educated about the difference between legal nationality and legal citizenship? --

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No, sorry, I don't think that. I think date of funeral/memorial event is far more significant. What on earth do you mean "the very last thing that happened to them in their life"??

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Currently, the label for a person’s parents displays as “Parent” or “Parents”, depending on how many notable parents the person has. Does anyone else feel like “Parent”—for those

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I apologize that I was apparently uncivil enough to make you feel it was worth posting an inane "gotcha" regarding the little candle i put on my user page for my dead friend.

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is significant because it's where people would go to see the grave, but the burial date has only historical significance, and just not enough of it to justify infobox bloat.

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is saying this is a redundant RfC because the guidelines already cover what is being proposed (criminal charges should only be listed for convictions), but you then say you

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Thank you, 4theloveofallthings, for apologizing, which remains a rarity across Knowledge. It's easy to get carried away when one feels passionate about something. Time to

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but parents are mutually inclusive, though. You can't have one without the other, which is why I think it makes the most sense to have them both under one label. ‑‑

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Is a date of burial equally significant to atheists as to Christians? How can you tell? Or does its significance transcend matters of religious faith? Thanks.

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Have any of you who are making pointless arguments against the parameter even taken the time to look at OP’s contributions? They were editing the article for

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where the benefit outweighs the misuse of it where it would be trivia or worse. There's a whole rest of the article for us to include such things, you know.

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That is a Knowledge: space page, which is not part of the encyclopedia. The changes you are proposing are to mainspace, which is part of the encyclopedia.

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Could you take a shot at explaining the lack of this information in comparably prominent positions in the layout of biographies within other encyclopedias?

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Update: After going through thousands of biography infoboxes, it appears that editors regularly put ethnicity into the "nationality" field, in violation of

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clarification. Most readers will anyways not click such a basic term—in an infobox header no less—and dictionaries anyhow have alternative definitions like

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to calculate the age as 88. Should we create an age template for these cases when age is reported in East Asian age reckoning and use both in the article?

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the mother and father fields filled, the infobox displays as you are describing, parents label and mother and father parenthetical, as it always has.

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Does criminal_status and the related params not meet your needs? If not, why not? Please explain what you're trying to accomplish in greater detail.

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field, we could display “Father” or “Mother” instead of parent. Obviously where the situation is less standard (non-binary parent, same sex parents)

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Does anyone else have an opinion on this matter? Is it worth starting an RfC? If I wanted to start an RfC, where would be the best place to do so?

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Yes. Not only do we not need to stess the political regime, it's simply wrong too - there were no Nazis when these three individuals were born. --

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RfC: Limit "criminal_charges" parameter to those that resulted in prosecutions (whether guilty or innocent), or ongoing investigations, only?

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I simply do not think it is confusing as described. People generally understand that charges may include convictions and acquittals, et al.

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The general country name can be pipe linked to the "historiographical label for the period"? But there are several varieties of name for

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the information that was removed if you wanted to go about putting that information into the prose of any articles I hit two years ago.

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In any case, since you want more than just a link to address the original problem, what about "Nationality (legal)" without a link? --

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appropriate for use in prose and list contexts as well. Also also, the country typically shouldn't be linked in these parameters per

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I don't see how this is different from any impermanent aspect of one's biography. Listing one's employment isn't "being a newspaper".

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Knowledge articles need to accommodate all faiths and none. Not sure that your comment about my "profound oversight" is useful here.

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in a reply before but I don’t see him getting chastised in the same way that I am for simply agreeing with OP that the inclusion of

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important. Just because it is not to you does not mean it is not to others. Your profound oversight on that point is jarring to me.

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There was no consensus established there, and I don't really think this requires its own explication in the documentation myself.

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to this idea? I’d like to sandbox it up, but would hate to spend time to do so if there are good reasons to think it’s a bad idea.

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fact relating to a criminal charge that was dropped and didn't result in criminal proceedings (that are not currently ongoing)?

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Why use language that more specifically gestures towards guilt? Again, people generally understand that charges are just that.

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Just sounds like trivia and clutter to me. The infobox is only meant to summarise the most important facts of someone's life.

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as OP suggested is that interment can cover both burial and the spreading of one’s ashes. It could also be used to refer to

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like this, where it is difficult to even imagine a bio needing burial date, that is probably the appropriate response.

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in case you weren’t aware Knowledge does not have finite space. You all just love to argue. Well you have fun! Haha

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Education and Alma mater don't usually appear in lead sections, do they? And place of death is often not included?

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An example would be someone born on a U.S. military base in Germany, who is notable only as an American, but also

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and “Parent” or “Parents” would still be used, but for the common singularly notable parent, we would encourage

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You know, as opposed to calling it trivia just because you live your life through your lens and your lens alone.

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It genuinely means a lot, apology fully accepted, and lesson learned to maybe choose less blunt words next time.

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means, even if it's differnent from WP's ibx conventions, and the nuance will not be conveyed merely by linking

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as it happens I agree with you on the overall point, but you are very far from helping your cause here. Please

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Still, readers will know Knowledge's convention for the field, if it is consistent. If editors are the target,

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Is there a reason why the native name parameter appears in a bigger font than the name parameter on mobile? --

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It was nothing to do with this template, but a global MediaWiki change that has since been rolled back. See

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So your arguments here are good ones, and everyone else's are "pointless", yes? Because we are idiots?

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per sdkb. It’s crufty and infoboxes are already potentially quite large if all parameters are filled.

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I am an atheist for the record. I am just capable of seeing things from outside of my world view. :)

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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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There's that concern, which I'm glad isn't an issue, but I still don't see how deprecating the

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Seems like this does not happen anymore, though I can't pinpoint where or what fix was made.

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this is an RfC? Has this question been asked previously and was there any dispute about it?

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Template talk:Infobox officeholder/Archive 25#Has the "nationality" parameter disappeared?

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Knowledge talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#Abolishing or disfavoring the "nationality" field

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Potential solution: Where the bio has only one notable parent, and that parent is in the

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exist to draw attention and ensure that more editors mediate or comment on the dispute.

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And a year later, I did the cleanup of all the instances that were left. But I did

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Please make following changes to the display of Parents label, as described above:

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It sounds to me like that article is using the parameter incorrectly. It happens.

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Sorry for the confusion. My point is that readers already have some idea of what

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Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 38#Adding "union republic" notion to the doc

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Ohhh I see, this is just a misunderstanding! (I hope.) For clarity: If a bio has

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Please add a "burial date" parameter, since there is a "burial place" parameter.

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fit with "funeral" or "cremation"? Which is the more significant event? Thanks.

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But we don't write Knowledge articles for the benefit of surviving relatives?

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an ethnic group constituting one element of a larger unit (such as a nation)

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i think it is relevant especially for public figures or celebrities

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So much so that I compulsively felt the need to correct that to

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Technically inaccurate as neither of them was, but point taken.

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ensuring that burial occurs within a given time after death.

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what we personally think would be redemptive or endearing

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This parameter previously existed and was removed per

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makes far more sense. This edit should be reverted. ‑‑

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It's just us other editors who "love to argue", yes?

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