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one in general, and works very well with articles. It works far less well in other namespaces, however, and that is why the "Be bold" page has evolved over the years to reflect that fact. As someone who spends a lot of time clearing up damage caused by people being bold at TFD, SFD, and CFD, I can tell you clearly that being bold has little if any place in category or template space. It causes nothing but considerable amounts of cleanup work for others.that is the reason why the "Be bold" page has evolved over the years to specifically call attention to the fact that they need special care. Suddenly undoing the gradual changes which have taken this page from a rough guideline to something actually workable is a
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Ancient Egypt stubs). In every case, though, the template tells the editor something of the problem with the article - whether it needs an image, whether the grammar needs tidying up, whether it's biased, whether it needs to be linked to other articles, etc etc etc. All these templates help the editor to know what skills are needed to tidy the article up.
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I got your message about the speedy deletion of my stub ORSYP - which I didn't intend to submit, I was trying to edit it to make it into a final, well referenced article, and I accidentally submitted it. Of course, I don't have admin privileges so I had to wait for someone else to delete it. Thank
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Thanks for the copy-edit. I looked over it and cannot see any major problems. I have only one query, in other articles we have used Test not test. It was bought up at another FAC, and I think we decided it wasn't too important as long as it was the same throughout the article. I'll convert to Euro's
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That would be a satisfactory solution I believe. Just one suggestion: Could we please illustrate the new
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People who break things are typically not being bold, but being reckless. Sure, we should make it clear that editing certain types of pages can have more significant consequences, and thus it's important to take extra care not to be reckless, but discouraging people from editing is too excessive.
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I bow to your greater knowledge - but note the source book which called her SS repeatedly, (though not some named contemporaries) and was written in part by people with shipping - albeit modern shipping - it couldn't be "SS" due to the fact she had a steam engine on board? (doubt it myself as the
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they advocated some sort of partial return to the old provincial governments, like in the 19th century, making NZ into a federation a bit like Australia. As for support for independence, I don't think so. This is entirely a personal opinion, but I'd say you tend to find more calls for southern
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status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, then you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually
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Hi G. I think a simple deletion would be most appropriate. Come to think of it, I do have one theory about how the mix-up could have happened: The Danish noun "vig" (bay or possibly better: cove) is pronounced identically to the old noun "vi" which indeed means a sanctuary
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Bleh, calmed down a bit now, but man! would have been nice to get a bit of a dialogue happening with you before you nominated this template for deletion, and when you did notify me, your boilerplate talk message didn't really help to shed light on what your real issue was.
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Leave it for someone else, I think. If I re-speedied it might look like I had a bit of a vendetta against it. Also conversation on the topic moved on considerably after the first speedying. It's all a bit of a mess, really, which I didn't exactly help to clean up much :/
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Hi Grutness, say, you created all those maps gracing the various NZ articles, didn't you? Like the backgrounds of North Island, South Island etc... do you keep them somewhere where others editors can use them? I'd need a blank South Island map for
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I'm originally from Nelson, but living in Oz at the moment. Tell me more about the NZ South Island Party. What were their policies? Do you think that public support for South Island Independence has increased over the last few years?
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and it would be nice to reciprocate and to confirm and regularise a practice we have already been following, if a little inconsistently. Feel free to ask me on my talk page if you have any questions - Cheers
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There are many articles about schools in Malaysia which are stubs. Not much proper information are provided in these articles. So I figure a new stub category would be really helpful to improve these articles.
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was created earlier (it has reached 60 and i took the liberty of creating it) but it hasn't been populated yet. Please take a look and see if I did something wrong or if it is just the server being strange.--
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I finally did write a sourced article according to wikipedia guidelines with the aide of your constructive and cheerful fellow editors, who guided me to the creation of a proper article. For that I thank
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and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
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Ok, that is a good reason to get frustrated. I apologize. I think I moved it when I was categorizing politician templates. Anyway, I have another issue that you might be able to help out with.
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