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for you. It is as easy, as you've demonstrated above, to go source hunting, which is far more productive, than it is to add a silly tag. An edit is an edit. So let me get this right, you see some unsourced info on a WP article. Does the curiosity not get the better of you by you clicking off to somewhere else to see if what you've read is correct? The fact it's a "rule" that they can be used to tag and nothing else, is not a reason to do it. No one will complain if you go and add a source, but to add a tag and do nothing else will still force others to go away and find the source themselves. By that time, they've lost interest and may not return, hence why these bloody eyesores end up remaining for several years. Is it not best to add a source from the off? Or, if the text remains, find the source and add to the article yourself? Please don't forget why you signed up to this website all those years ago, to collaborate with others to build a great encyclopaedia. Adding tags and doing nothing else is neither of those things.
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cause they define what that term means in USA, so should not that section focus on world understandingĀ ? Quote from article - In The
Concealment of the State, Professor Jason Royce Lindsey argues that even without a conspiratorial agenda, the term deep state is useful for understanding aspects of the national security establishment in developed countries, with emphasis on the United States. Lindsey writes that the deep state draws power from the national security and intelligence communities, a realm where secrecy is a source of power. Alfred W. McCoy states that the increase in the power of the U.S. intelligence community since the September 11 attacks "has built a fourth branch of the U.S. government" that is "in many ways autonomous from the executive, and increasingly so."
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The fact it's a "rule" that they can be used to tag and nothing else, is not a reason to do it. WP is full of unintelligible rules that make no sense whatsoever. They can be broken if it is justifiable to do so. No one will complain if you go and add a source, but to add a tag and do nothing else will still force others to go away and find the source themselves. By that time, they've lost interest and may not return, hence why these bloody eyesores end up remaining for several years. Is it not best to add a source from the off? Or, if the text remains, find the source and add it to the article yourself? This can be done, by you, and is a whole lot better for the project, as an encyclopaedia.
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avoid the tag, as that suggests you're too lazy to go looking for references yourself, and simply go reference hunting? I personally will not go looking for references on behalf of someone else. It is not for us to spend valuable time looking for references on behalf of someone who thinks it's ok to simply come along and add what the hell they like, without a source. The idea is to add information with a source, at the time of adding it. It should've been deleted on sight when it was first added, but it wasn't. The fact it's been deleted several months down the line is irrelevant. Finally, you may want to take a read of
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is because of that issue, in part a result of the caste area being so complex anyway, that it is important to note that such figures are positively dangerous to use in the caste context. People were generalising about scenarios in that thread prior to my arrival and have done since my simple, brief comment - it was appropriate for reasons that I doubt you will be willing to accept, and it could have stood alone without writing the hundreds of subsequent words that have been made necessary by your pointless officiousness.
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same length of time and, since he has done that, I will point out that I have a massively greater number of edits and, which is still more significant, a massively greater proportion of edits to article space. That experience doesn't make me always right, of course, but it does make me a bit pissed off when someone with little clue regarding a issue (and too much time spent chattering) pokes me without real cause. -
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only involved in (what two or three) disputes mutually? In fact I dount we have had more then half a dozen mutual disputes this year, in fact I can say that I dounbt that we have many poages we edit together (or come to that me and
MjolnirPants) As for the Dyslexic stuff, yes I posted it after it became clear people were not taking it in to account when commenting on my edit spelling (rather then ion actual content).
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issue you'd harassed him over in the past, and at the time you first posted his username (or the variant "MPants") appeared 11 times on the page; you could not reasonably pretend to be unaware the discussion was about him, nor explain how you happened across it having never edited that page before (you clearly did not see the publicizing in a vacuum, given your response to my ANI thread about the canvassing).
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courts, the
Democrats and the media. In short, it's a cabal of unelected leftist officials lodged deep in the government who are conspiring to thwart the administration's policies, discredit its supporters and ultimately even overturn Trump's election. He is given as source on Deep State in United Stateshttps://www.npr.org/2018/08/09/633019635/opinion-why-the-term-deep-state-speaks-to-conspiracy-theorists.
3451:? Yes, I know how RSN works and, yes, I know how it is used. The two are not the same, the discussion is already dealing with generalities and the situation with caste-related organisations is so severe that it formed one of the reasons for the special sanctions regime in that topic area. Someone will see that discussion and try to use it for their benefit.
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repeated annoying and unwanted contact or attention from me (but as I said that is because of a series if linked incidents, not unrelated pages, and annoying only in the sense I have disagreed with him). As to my interactions with you, again these are linked incidents and cannot be used as evidence I am harassing him.
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actions of one of the eds, but as MPants was not the only uses who posted (and no I had not seen his names mentioned, I did not read all the posts, just the proposal) it might not have been him. And NO I do not agree the discussion was about him, he is not the only user (as ewas clear from the RFC) who says fuck off.
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We're working on your suggestions. Sorry on behalf of whoever did that. It is a reasonable question to ask. If you want to post questions, use the heading "Prose review" and maybe indicate that I invited you for this specific purpose. You asked a very good question, by the way, because "it hasn't
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You have provide no sources that say there are actual deep states that are proven, what you have a sources that say that if you take deep state to mean something other then a "a government-wide conspiracy" then there may indeed be such things. The
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Rolling Stone - "Is there actually a deep state? If you mean entrenched bureaucracy, then of course there is" - Also definition you give at best only refers to current meaning of term in USA in limited circles of conservatives (not consensus among all conservatives, let alone USA), not in the world
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Point is we cant use loose definition(for which there is no consensus as shown in sources, sources notably point to definition I am using)of single country for entire term. Term Deep State cant and wont only refer to USA situation, especially since it does not even originate from that country. If you
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You have not bothered too look for sources as it has taken me upwards to 1 minute to find them. The only reason it is talking so long to undo your deletions is the amount you have deleted. This is why I am asking you to tag, your mass deletion just makes the task of looking for sources harder because
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I said another ed had accused of of it. As to the rest, ~ True Jews can be immigrants, but most of those killed by the Nazis were not they were
Germans (or the citizens of other nations stolen form their homes, which is still not immigration, and not to Germany anyway). I have told you how to fix the
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Also Steven your leftwing bias is disgusting and should be ashamed of your self, but you wont cause 80 percent of editors here have it, which is just sad for this site. Its obvious you want to keep section and not correct it case you hate Trump. I will leave you old fart too it, you can keep pushing
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It is still wrong tho, even in conspiratorial sense Geoff
Nunberg described it lot better what it means in conservative circles (I still hold definition you give wrong). It's an elastic label ā depending on the occasion, it can encompass the Justice Department, the intelligence communities, the FISA
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I still have massive problems with entire section. Its not occasionally, it is generally used in that way. On topic of you using US definitions from magazines, I looked up Deep State in United States article which is lot better than deep state section in conspiracy theories and kinda seems redundant
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Article needs to make it clear that it only applies to limited conservative circles without consensus among USA conservatives, let alone entire USA. It also needs clearly to differentiate it from actual deep states that are proven, like military coup in Turkey 2016 cause sources given do. Meaning in
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I asked you to provide a source that directly said it, you did not. None of the sources you provided say that the definition of deep state we say is in use is wrong. What they do (at best) is provide an alternative definition (anbd some do not even do that, they actually talk about
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Then report it. Any user can leave warnings if they think a users is about to breach policy (in fact you were told in the edit war report against me that is what you should have done before reporting, inform an ed they might be about to breach revert restrictions). It was a courtesy to tell you that
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When I was dealing with that section there were no other sources supporting the material I removed. Dsprc inserted a second instance of the same source as if it were a second source but that hardly counts. Two URLs - the same content. Which is why I was challenging inclusion; you'll note I have made
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Except there are other sources in that section as well. Nor have you shown the information is false or misleading, just that you do not like the source. It is a fact that most totalitarian (not just communist) countries tend to be allegedly "atheist" (they are in fact only anti theist) and actively
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What I said, that I cannot recall what brought me to that RFC (it was after all an RFC, and may well have been mentioned in many places), but it was mentioned at ANI whilst I was keeping an eye on ANI (thus is one notice board I may have seen it on), so maybe it was the mention at ANI that attracted
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I cannot recall how I cam across it, maybe the same way I come across many pages I have never edited before, I stumbled across it. Or maybe (as an RFC) it showed up somewhere that I was watching (this is the one I suspect as this was raised whilst I still had an eye on ANI). Maybe I was watching the
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POV issues, find sources that make explicit links and then repeat what they say. "according to professor X the current attitude towards immigrants represented a continuation of the attitudes expressed by the Nazi regime" or some such (sourced to professor X of course). That is how you make the point.
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you talking about? And where is your evidence of forum shopping? You wrote "search in goggle for "links between the immigration crisis and
Germans racist past"... How on earth do you think I found the references in the first place? (apart from the fact that I used Google, not "goggle") The fact that
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Steven, you could be insulting him. You're 'splaining to an editor who has at least as much as experience as you do. He arrived on the project exactly 19 days before you. Consider the possibility that Sitush is right, and maybe you haven't understood his explanation. Ask questions before concluding
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were tiny (both containing 300-500 troops) and both were failures, to manipulate this fact and say "Poles served in Schutzmannschaft: 202 or 107" as to suggest this was some wide phenomena is VERY INACCURATE. Instead of blindly reverting, please look at the facts, and recall the original discussion
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25 times, I was being communicated (most of those were replies to other users, not even just you and MjolnirPants) with. Moreover not one of my replies was a response or reply to MjolnirPants, not one. I do not in fact even refer to him except in my last post, as a response to you raising his name.
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I was referencing the rolling stone source, As I said it does not contradict anything we say (and I note the first line of the paragraph "Occasionally used as a neutral term to denote a nation's bureaucracy", so yes we do point out is is sometimes used in the way you describe). We make it clear we
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OK, So let me get this right, you see some unsourced info on a WP article, with or without a tag. Does the curiosity not get the better of you by you clicking off to somewhere else to see if what you've read is correct? Why would we allow people to do this? We want to keep people, not lose them.
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about MPants going after you for your dyslexia), but that doesn't really matter. And the number 25 is not significant to my above point, as the point was that you clearly do not have WT:CIVIL on your watchlist, but instead showed up there because the discussion involved MPants, and specifically an
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You want to harass MPants, to the point of changing policy specifically to get him, and my opening that thread on DT's canvassing got between you and that goal; you may have also known that I have a historical good working relationship with MPants (maybe you even remembered the fact that I was the
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Forgive me, but I had posted in that thread before you, you replied to me. With an answer that seemed to be saying "Ahhh but". I just pointed out "no there is not an "ahh but", I said why we could use it, and your response did not contradict any of that (in fact it agreed) whilst at the same time
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We need a layperson to read the article and make a list of suggested copy edits, as well as proofreading and gnomish fixes. It's a technical subject so not everything will make sense entirely, but we should try to make it reasonably accessible. Any feedback would be quite useful. If you want to
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as a starting point for specific skepticism of the US's neutrality as an information source then... My point is simply that, for these claims, I want to see an independent source. I'm not being a Hoxaist apologist here. But I am tired of Knowledge sourcing information about Communist nations only
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recent historical examples of the US government apparatus spreading disinformation about rival states (Iraq, Venezuela, Cuba, etc.) that questioning their accuracy should be seen as healthy skepticism, not revisionism. If other sources exist from independent entities, I'm happy to entertain them.
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Firstly, the unsourced information has been on there for months, if not years, so that's why it was removed. As for your term "mass deletion", how about the mass addition of unsourced info? Secondly, if, like you say, the references have taken "upwards to 1 minute to find", why use a tag? Why not
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I am not Hounding of MjolnirPants, I have not (as far as I know) posted on his talk page, not about an ANI about him in months (and the ANI you linked too last was not about him, or even launched by him. It seems to be more about me disagreeing with you). Nor have I come after you, in fact we are
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before long. Have you ever been asked formally to back away from the drama boards and centralised discussions, aside from the informal hint Jehochman gave you above? You're disingenuous, tendentious, irritating and wasting a lot of people's time at RSN at the moment. Meanwhile, I've got a lot of
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don't get to decide what constitutes de-railing, and certainly not on the basis of a single comment. I think taking up Jehochman's idea below might be A Good Thing; then perhaps keep doing similar stuff until your article edits hit, say, 65%. You'd learn a lot from doing so. And article space is
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It has been stated on the AR Talk page that none of this is relevant to the article. "Where does he say "ar-125" or "assault rifle " (a-or any thing approximate to those). This page is about AR-15 style rifles, not mass shootings. So if a source does not explicitly talk about (at the very least)
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promoted to featured article status. Variety is the spice of life. Would you like to help me with this endeavor? It may be something completely new and may give you a totally different view of Knowledge. Sometimes it's healthy to take a break from Knowledge space and dive into a strange, new
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I am, but I'll stick to this, thanks. This isn't a top trumps on WP policy, it's a common sense scenario that if unsourced information is added and not backed up, then it is either sourced pronto or it is deleted. As you have now sourced it (although I'm connvinced the sources you've used are
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Nor have my interactions been repeated (except over a very short and specific time period all involving linked incidents), nor would I argue it is offensive, at least no more then telling a user to fuck off). You might argue that in the recent series of linked threads (yes linked) he has got
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That does not say they are the only ones who believe in it, only that they use it. Also arte you sure that is accuatre, the closets I can find is "the quest for Mokele Mbembe ... but part of the effort by creationists to overthrow the theory of evolution and teaching of science by any means
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You have recently shown interest in governmental regulation of firearm ownership; the social, historical and political context of such regulation; and the people and organizations associated with these issues. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called
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and other sourcing guidelines. And no, contrary to what you've put on my talk page, tagging is not "perhaps best". This is for someone who can't be bothered to find the references themselves and would rather leave it to someone else to find. That is not collaborative behaviour. Thanks.
2307:'What function does this serve?' Well... i don't now, it maybe the function of providing the information, that he is also a YouTube personality whith over 250K subscribers at the moment... For you personally it can be dysfunctional, not for thousands that visit hir article everdyday.
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Hey Slatersteven. Two things. First, even though we don't often agree on the firearms edits, thank you for helping out with the compromise proposal this morning. Second, your last edit, was it incomplete? It appears to be referring to something I said but I don't know what.
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as long as we attribute it. This would have been a de-rail, as you would not doubt be aware. Thus I pointed out is was not really about what was being discussed. I would also remind you to be polite and respectful towards other edds, I have not insulted you do not insult me.
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Given examples of what? Of the fact that some members of Donnies own staff are working against him, that is not the deep state. The fact that Uscinski has claimed there is (possibly) some kickback against the White House from bureaucrats is not proof of a deep state, read
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He is not my colleague and this kind of attitude is going to go down badly. I would advise you to message the only user who so far has shown you any sympathy and ask him (or ask him to suggest someone) who can mentor you. At the rate you are going you are going to get a
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I am explaining why I said what I said. I did not want to see that thread de-railed into a discussion about caste based sources. Now is it in fact true that caste based or affiliated sources cannot be used as sources for their own claims? Can I see where this was
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you might be about the breach 1RR, would you rather I reported you again next time without warning (you know I am willing to)? Also I did not restore any comments you removed, so HUSH is not even relevant (do learn to actually read a policy before invoking it).
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persecute all religions (as the only allowed god is either the party or the leader). Thus I have no difficulty accepting the source as accurate in its appraisal of the situation, and need rather more then your dislike of the USA to undermine that.
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A dictator claiming a coup was part of some deep state conspiracy is not proof there was in fact a deep state conspiracy. You need RS saying that there was (in fact) a deep state conspiracy (note saying it was one, not saying it has been called
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When we are talking about a situation in one country we cannot use what happened in another as proof of the situation in the first country. Not all Coups are the same, and what happens in a coup is not evidence of what happens when there is not
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Perhaps it is just me, although I doubt it because I think this has been raised before. One of the reasons why you have such a high volume of non-article contributions is because you seem unable to resist sticking your oar into discussions.
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It was your choice of words, that implies you are not viewing this neurally. Yes they can spread disinformation, they also (often) get things right. So it needs to be a bit more then "evil capitalist lackeys" for me to decide its not an
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on this section, which concluded that only major facts should be included in this high level article. Also, Poles did not serve in the SS, only members of the German minority in occupied Poland, so that statement is also incorrect. --
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and not through history. No where it states that in article but sources are clear, its just blanked used in article and can be assumed that it applies to entire world.Again reading carefully and with understanding is critical.
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No it means that you do not have a source saying is. It means that not all Coups are Deep state operations (and no all accusations of Claims of Coups are real). It means you need an RS actually saying "there was a deep state
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That does not say the other definitions are wrong, it says that in on e context it is valid. In fact this does not even say this is a deep state, only that if you mean it in this context it is real (if you mean it in this
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As Knowledge is built on a consensus model, I intend to continue arguing that it is not. Others are free to agree or disagree - but that doesn't change that I'm not POV pushing, just arguing that my interpretation of
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A military coup may not always be from an entrenched bureaucracy, the Qaddafi and Greek ones were not. And also there has been no coup in the USA, so talking about coups tells us nothing about the USA. Please read
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you don't agree that Jews can be immigrants does not make you correct, and your own efforts to improve the article have been just as quickly attacked as mine have. It would be more useful if you could explain how
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No because the article (and thus the section) is about conspiracy theories. As such it should really concentrate on that part of the deep state concept, not a wider discussion as to deep state as a political
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Ok its not your direct fault but still. RS use definiton I use and you ask me to provide sources(they are already given). That i think falls into competency issue, being able to read with understanding.
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I am adding encyclopedic content including cast premiete dates synopsis and others, have already added some along with references so please undo the tag for speedy deletion kindly. From Ericranium.
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They why is he on your page hurling threatsĀ ? Me and you are having discussion and unless he wants to be constructive mind his own business.You is not obliged to respond to me if I am bothering you.
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We are talking about specific coup, not Greek or Qaddafi. Also term deep state is not from USA and does not only apply to them, nor do they get to define it since it was well known and used before.
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were anti-communist). To date it's been something of a quixotic pursuit. Perhaps in a few years the scale will have tipped a bit there.
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Fine dont put Erdogan, everything else still stands.
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