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1027:, but it is typical for them to wait until after you all are ready for a new look and as long as you keep this page informed and that work is steadily progressing in the right direction. (I am quite concerned that I haven't seen much progress yet, particularly in terms of re-organizing the content towards a trimmer version.) Where you coordinate the work doesn't matter; it can be on the article talk page, or on the talk page of this FAR, but to avoid clogging this page, the nitty gritty need not be conducted here, unless you need broader feedback beyond the day-to-day improvements. This page is for others to eventually declare Close or Move to FARC in the FAR phase, and Keep or Delist if it moves to the FARC phase. Considering there is a very large amount of work to do, my suggestion is that work proceeds on article talk, and that you let this page know bi-weekly how things are going. If progress stalls, editors are likely to suggest Move to FARC to keep the process moving forward. Perhaps an understanding of FAR functioning can be had by reading through 1923:
corrections should be discussed on nomination pages such as FAR. If the article is so far away from the criteria that it cannot be fixed in a couple of weeks, my opinion is to delist it and work on it without the time pressures of FAR, and it can be renominated at FAC when it is ready. Since this has been open for 8 months, and citation problems still exist (even after the above sections were removed) my opinion is that the article probably needs a lot of work to get it back to FA status, which should happen on the article's talk page.
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before 1453 and even 1204 occurred. That is to say, this era of 800-1204 is very sensitive how we edit it. Howard-Johnston, Treadgold and Kaldellis are the leading experts on this 'middle' period so I hope you understand my reluctance to have an opinion on this section until I get further with Kadellis.
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As for the reverting of some of my edits, this has not been a problem for me, as it keeps me to a higher standard when done respectfully. And of the litany of other editors where this occurs, it's been appropriate as we've had talk page consensus on these issues. But I can understand it does not look
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If we exclude the Lead and Nomenclature, there are 9 history subheadings, 7 culture subeadings and 4 other major sections. By announcing periodic drives on a section and putting eyes on it, even with just 1-3 of us, we'll rip through and make Temüjin-like progress. If we want to do this right, and on
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With three "Move to FARC' declarations, I'm unclear which way this FAR is headed. If you all are intending to save the star, it will be a very long effort, with work best conducted on talk with bi-weekly updates here, while a discussion of how you intend to tackle the size issue will be helpful. How
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The act of doing this will give us plenty of inspiration to start editing and improving the article on what substantively it needs. As it’s a large topic, I suggest this is done in sections to make this less over-whelming. If there is a way to set this up as a project, other people can contribute. By
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Use this an opportunity to identify historians who might have written more research that updates our knowledge. Bruno Rochette on language is a good example of that, as he wrote a more recent paper (2018) that, I think, responded to misinterpretations of what he wrote in 2012 (and that Knowledge used
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If you have time, and like to read sources, then I have a project that will prepare us for productive editing. It's the approach I would take and if we set this up right, I'll happily involve myself as well when I find a minute as this is the fun bit for me but also the most time consuming. This can
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The concern is not about specific sections: it's that FAR is about evaluating whether the article should still be considered an FA. Having extended comments on a review makes the FAR page difficult to load, and discussions on article improvements should happen on the article's talk page, while small
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I'm willing to work on the article within FAR, but not outside it. To be honest, the size issue is at the moment secondary to more immediate problems (OR, CLOP, etc.) History section first, then others, when we're all hopefully soaked through with knowledge. As we should be going section-to-section,
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I generally agree that FAR is an unlikely solution for this, unless someone seriously commits themselves to this daunting task. This has been one of the big impending FARs for many years... I think the biggest length issues are in the history section, which should be 3/4, maybe even half as long. On
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be employed? Alternately, if the thought is that the article will be better served by having it delisted, and re-appearing at FAC once reworked, we need to know that, too, so we can move to FARC. I understand people are still reading the necessary new sources, but over a month in, we've seen very
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I agree with SandyGeorgia. Even if it were thought that a very long article would be needed even to summarize this topic well, this is not in any shape to be considered featured article class. As Sandy points out, there are too many deficiencies for a featured article. It will be a big task to make
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I do want to say that the articles talk page has been inhibiting progress on this article these last few years. Since this FAR started, I've become along with others one of the top authors in the articles history. The work I do is not superficial and will take months. For example, the previous FAR
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added that copy editing tag because I wanted feedback on my writing and actually I've been waiting for this and is partly why I paused my contributions. I would appreciate your continued involvement in copy-editing as we re-write sections. Personally, I'm trying hard to write a balanced and modern
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I'd prefer to wait until the whole article is ready: there have been times when editors asked me to review parts, only to disappear later. However, the following listed sources are not used as inline citations, and should either be included or removed: Dennis, George T. (1985), Chrysos, Evangelos
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One suggestion on approach is we understand this is a big project and do drives every so often on sections. It will make this a sustained effort then (and action will breed other action). If a regular group of editors have experience working together, they can just jive off each other’s edits. If
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I agree. That said, I do think Kaldellis’s book — the first new academic narrative since the 1990s — should be a standard for us to measure the current article beyond the maintenance tasks. Despite some issues, it’s remarkable well written. If we have a group of people commit to reading it before
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After 8 and a half months, this article is still not close to meeting the FA criteria. There are still uncited sections, including the entire "Military", "Clothing", and "Relationship with Western Christendom" sections. Progress also seems to have stalled, with information added recently getting
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It's worth introducing the historian Roderick Beaton (with his very excellent, The Greeks: A Global History) who's book tries to make a case that every generation of Greek-speaking regime collapsed when central government was no longer useful. So in the case of the Byzantine Empire, he said long
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I'll put my hand up on the slowest part of this process which is validating existing sources, evaluating other sources people suggest or from other articles, and otherwise assessing current scholarship. This will result in addressing article issues like CLOP and OR, and by extension assist with
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Lead can be done last (and where Talk wastes the most time so let's stay away from it). Nomenclature has undergone a major review recently so no need to focus on that now. The Language section in Culture is 519 words, a good 1/7th of that section and larger than the two sections after it -- the
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Agree with all of the above. If there's a collective push to save this article I would chip in but it's way too modern for my usual area and I'm in no position to lead it. Aside from all of the valid criticisms already made, I am surprised to see not a single mention of slaves/slavery in the
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barely scratch the surface; the article is riddled with maintenance tags and there are concerns about image licensing, uncited text, prose, MOS compliance, and a good chunk of the very large article has never been vetted in a review process, as it was added after the last review. I believe the
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rabbit hole, reaching out to academics as it's a multi-disciplinary issue across history, jurisprudence and philosophy. As for why, I've come to realise it's important for this topic, as it underpins narrative bias historians have (ie, Prinzipat und Dominat, Bleicken 1978, 22–24 uses it for
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periodisation of the Roman Empire that others refer to; Kaldellis all together rejects it; and it separately has had a huge impact on medieval and modern law but that's beyond the scope of this article though it does link to the section about law as it was in Justinian's code). If
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Conversely, I do have time, but I am intimidated in the task and would feel most comfortable as the "junior partner" in an article cleanup where I'm possibly doing tasks specifically requested by others with more intuitive expertise, like I am presently doing at the other FAC
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Feel free to ping me when this article is ready to be reviewed. I could consider the article ready when there is no uncited text, the prose size is reduced (currently at over 13,000 words), and the article has been copyedited (anyone can do that, or even split the work).
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I'm working on. I think there are some easy improvements that could be made. I prefer to collaborate with people and take a section by section approach as I go deep into the sources and more interested in factual accuracy as it supports a narrative than word smithing.
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If there is a list of specific issues you want done by a certain time period, I'm happy to prioritise this over the line by line by section review that is currently occurring (albeit at a leisurely pace as I did not think there was a rush and it requires readings and
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Life got in the way for me that I needed to depriortitise this. But I'm still committed. My current focus is on the government and military. Working on how to find a balance of what I can do with more consistent contributions so I don't disappear again.
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Those are all references that were previously in the diplomacy section, a review completed after Matarisvan's review. I reviewed diplomacy in late July and agree that they can be removed (except the Chrysos that in now listed as a chapter in Shepherd).
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I'm drafting a new section on socioeconomic and legal rights, that will incorporate sources from the women section I'm reading and that will reduce that section but also make the content stronger I hope (ie, combined with other sources, broader
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editors added citations but when I checked one, it was to the contents pages (as I read all the sources); and this Bleicken book I've hunted down that is referenced in modern scholarship I've come across is referenced in other articles (ie,
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condensing the narrative which will address the big billboard problem of size. Happy to document notes and note down direct quotes as I read sources which may assist in making this work more accessible so other people can leverage it.
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and related the impact of Justinian's code, which probably won't belong on this article but reflecting on its relevance still, and plan to focus on military, diplomacy, law after that which has some overlap on the work I've already
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Understood. I defer to yours and others judgement. Personally, I like the idea of keeping this as the oldest FA on Knowledge so would prefer a process where I have time to improve it which is how I understand FARC with extensions
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I think the idea is that everything happens on this page or its talk, and that the improving of each section is part of the FAR. At the end, some other editors will take a look at the article and see whether they think it meets
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Thus, we don't currently have a holistic overview of how the article should change. It would be good to have that. If FA review could give us that, it would be worth doing. If there is another, better venue, we should do that.
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Previous sections that are now finalised: Society. They include Transition into an Eastern Christian empire (previously in history), Slavery (new section), Socio-economic (new section partially from women before), Women, and
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Religion was rewritten by an editor with expertise in the topic (Jenhawk777), Economy similarly for the first paragraph by another editor (Graearms) but needs more work, and both will need to be reviewed by different editor
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Overall: We may not be done but the work we've done has now made all of us in the before mentioned 5 of the top 10 authors of the current article which reflects how extensive this content review has been. We also have a
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I support working within FAR though these frameworks for review is not something I have useful experience in. Will need to defer to someone else's lead on that. In terms of process, I'm amenable to suggestions.
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Per above, it seems like we are going to keep it simple, starting with the history section and go over it chronologically. I've already earmarked several graphics that I plan on replacing or possibly removing.
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Other than the before mentioned, what remains is a review of the more straightforward topics of Flags and insignia, Daily Life (Cuisine, Recreation, and we might add Clothing), Science/medicine, and legacy.
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Hi, I was looking for a review of just the formatting of the bibliography. I believe it would be much better to do piecemeal reviews since, as you said, the article size is large. Wdyt? Please let me know,
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In my view, this article should read with what Treadgold and Kaldellis have written in their books as the primary sources as they are the most recent academic historians to write about the topic at length.
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If anyone else wants to help and knows exactly what to do, but doesn't have the time to do it—I have that time at present. I hope that's useful. I've been grabbing the sources cited so I have them on hand.
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I'm still evaluating if there needs to be something on "gender" (as part of women or separate) which is something that is coming up in modern scholarship. Can only resolve this by reading a book by Leora
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took me 413 days on my lonesome). At the moment, I'm mildly optimistic—we have three competent and active editors, pretty much a blank sheet in front of us, and if it fails then. well, at least we tried?
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people revert and becomes a problem, we take it to talk. What’s key is we set the expectation that we are blowing up a section and ask for people’s collaboration in edits rather than hash it out on talk.
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Airship will be proposing a new article layout, which we may implement once we complete the review to restructure the content and address lingering word count issues, as well as to make the content more
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This 2001 FA which dates to Refreshing Brilliant Prose days was last reviewed at FAR more than 10 years ago, and its most significant contributors are no longer active. The talk page notifications from
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be a parallel process to any editing that occurs. It will align people and can be used to settle Talk disputes. If more people want to involve themselves, it gives a common reference point for editing.
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languages section in Roman Empire has undergone a recent deep review by me so we can lean on this to re-evaluate this section. Oh, and history, let's look at that as clearly this needs work:
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I have a lot of respect for Biz's work and especially for their careful section by section approach, but that does mean that the talk page tends to focus on points of detail and nomenclature.
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Specialist historians on sections should be used of course to delve into issues but as we are looking for consensus what Kaldellis and Treadgold have said should be the test for consensus.
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Transition into an eastern Christian empire: need to validate two sources still and final proof read to make sure I'm happy with the copy. This section was completely rewritten by me.
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Yes, though I think since this was discussed it has been removed. We would love it if you could continue to join us in the review, the more eyes the better. Let's discuss the work
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Was hoping to finish Kaldellis before editing again -- with my travel and other commitments, optimistically it won't be before January -- but hey, throw a dart and we can start.
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Ah, the most interesting section! Crisis and fragmentation, or rather that time period, is something Kaldellis will be key for as there is a lot of new research since Treadgold.
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I am also reading this book, and I would like to contribute to improving this article the best I can. If I can help you in an adequately directed way, I would be happy to.
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problems here are too deep and wide to be addressed at FAR, and the article should be delisted and re-submitted to FAC if it improves, but maybe someone is up to the task.
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and just move the comments on each to talk after it's satisfactorily completed. This will be a long job but I wouldn't expect anything else for such an important article (
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reverted several times. While I appreciate the work done to try to save this, it might be better if it goes to FARC so that it can be evaluated for delisting.
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Sounds good. Sandy is probably right that we should do all the nitty grity on this FAR's talk, so we don't clog up the main FAR page with all our scribblings.
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Quick update: we now have two subject-matter experts updating/rewriting the sections on both economy and religion. I expect to get to the art section soon. –
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Hi all, came across this a few days ago and thought I'd offer my help if there are any particular sections that could do with editing/sourcing improvements? @
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Not sure. I don't have time to commit due to life circumstances, have not finished Kaldellis yet because I'm 4 deep in other books, but throw me a bone... @
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which if we stick to will put it in the strongest state its ever been while also reflecting the latest scholarship, breathing in a new life for this FA.
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I can work with Kaldellis as a foundation, I also have access to the relevant Cambridge history; I can get going in around a week, if that's acceptable.
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Further, by doing this, copy editing I think will be more informed and it will allow us to make the article more concise with the content that matters.
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Economy, architecture, Daily life, Science and medicine, Religion would be next after that so that would be a great place you could pick up on. Arts @
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it seems like even basic maintenance tags are unaddressed. Apropos of nothing, I am surprised that this article manages to be even longer than my own
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I am reluctant to commit, given other constraints, but with a day in the library I could seriously improve the bloated history section. We shall see.
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article), the emphasis on instruments is hugely undue and much more discussion of composers, genres and music rituals should be instead substituted.
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If you want to take this article to an even higher level, chase down Treadgold’s 1990s work and see where he and Kaldellis agree or differ in views.
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I've asked for feedback on the above because I'm not confident in my ability to meet FA standard, and before I embark on the rest of the article.
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Halted, and probably will be for the next three weeks due to RL responsibilities. Working on adjacent topics, however, and intending to return.
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I'll review the two new sentences on nomos empsychos and re-evaluate which seems to be the only thing you cut from the revision I made.
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please try to iron out your additions in drafts, before adding them to the rewritten article. Take for example the second paragraph of
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I think we all agree that this shouldn't be an FA. It would be good to get a clear summary of why it's not and of what needs to change.
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when I thought I had finished this, someone added a paragraph on slavery, and as I validated the sources, I ended up reading a book
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I am currently already reading it as I've said above, and I agree with your praise. Also with your methodology, I am fully onboard.
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which seems to suggest that there were major changes to the institution of slavery from how it had been in classical antiquity...
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My new literature section has been added. Thanks again Biz for your feedback! I'll look towards doing Art next sometime soon –
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Same with me. IRL challenges, but have every intention to continue. Appreciate the follow up. Time has flown this past month…
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Military is a complex topic I'm reading about now and plan to draft new copy hopefully this month when I get some free time.
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which helped rewrite it and which is also helping with a lot of other content (like marriage which sits in women right now)
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the other side, the Literature section seems embarrassingly brief. From my understanding of Byzantine music (I created the
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Languages: need to validate last paragraph sources and final review of copy. This section was completely rewritten by me.
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narrative supported by stronger sources but it's easy to get caught in detail that another editor can easily correct.
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History and Arts are progressing but I defer to Airship and Aza given they are updating here. I'm working on Law next
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Matarisvan has improved the bibliography and converted the remaining references into SFN on the unreviewed sections.
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I'm currently reviewing the "women" section and have more literature to read as it's a topic I have no expertise in
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1. Read all the sources referenced to statements and document with quotes and/or bullet points what they say.
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I've been taking a break due to life, but before I touch this topic again I want to read Anthony Kaldellis's
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seems fairly...not for this decade. It needs to be replaced or likely removed, I'll see what I can source.
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balance of all the things needed, I'd say this a 20-80 week project (budgeting 1-4 weeks per section).
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Thank you! I've made some adjustments (moved your comments to the bottom of the page with replies).
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someone can help me obtain access to Bleicken which I've had trouble with, I would appreciate that.
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I am free once again, and expect progress to be made swiftly and efficiently over the next month.
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When these articles talk about each other as different empires, we should probably understand why.
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I still see lots of uncited sections. I am happy to cn tag the article if this is requested.
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editing we will be all on the same page and the article will be all the better because of it.
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Anything else? Who will perform the FAR? And we officially start sometime-ish this month?
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Let's start at the beginning? (I should note that when this FAR was opened a month ago, I
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I will look through these sources and see if anything in there can be added here. Cheers
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as the two remaining !votes, is there anything in particular you want to see addressed?
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I don't understand Biz's question: the FAR is open, the instructions are at the top of
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What is your timeline like - are you hoping to work on this within the context of FAR?
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the needed improvements and, I think, few if any reviewers available to undertake it.
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Also reviewed, but new since the FAR started: Geography, Military (Army, Navy).
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Starting work on literature in my sandbox. Should get to Art and Music after –
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Issues from the above two processes will get posted on the articles Talk page
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this FAR talk is where we put notes evaluating scholarship and/or other notes
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Still going, no intention of stopping; article is being gradually improved.
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I've started the review with some structure on how we approach it in this
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Discussion of approaches may also take place on the article's talk page.
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Documenting this means you can have other people help with the evaluation
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reading the sources, the edit prioritization will just naturally emerge.
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Due to life commitments, I expect to be slow moving until February 5th.
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Thank you for your work. I've updated the status of the article here:
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There is at least one section without a source at the last sentence.
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I've removed the three sections until more work can be done on them.
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I copy-edited the "Society" section, does that section look better.
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This is undisputedly the longest-lived FA on the English Knowledge,
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After (or in parallel?) of the FAR, we do section by section drives?
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that all the scholars reference; now I just need to learn German...
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has previously said they would work on, but otherwise open field!
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I would appreciate feedback on two sections I've been focused on:
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By second paragraph, you mean the sentence starting with Phocas?
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Sorry, don't have much time to take a look at this at present.
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which was my precondition before I start work on this article.
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this FAR page (or its talk?) is where we document a FAR review
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I've completed my read (40+ hours) of Anthony Kaldellis's
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I've completed a draft for a new literature section, see
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progress. should be able to crack on next week, however.
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No worries! The Byzantine Empire will be waiting, since
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Knowledge:Featured article review/J. K. Rowling/archive1
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