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unsourced. I too would be pleased to have some input into this discussion, because the established editors of the article appear somewhat reluctant to accept that it's a mess. I'd like to ask anyone contributing to read through everything I've said on the talk page, and inspect the history of the article. The problem is that when you read the article, it's clear that a lot of stuff is opinion dressed up as fact, making questionable claims to back up supposedly natural advantages of driving on the left or right. A lot of stuff has also been added by anons, which might be from their personal knowledge and might well be true (but
Knowledge policy is clear that this isn't good enough, and material lacking a reliable published source can be removed – let's have some standards and remember that we are writing an encyclopaedia, not an indiscriminate collection of people's "take my word for it" personal observations), but in a lot of cases whoever added the information could either be mistaken or even deliberately incorporating false information. It would be very difficult to see where this has occurred because the statements in the article are not linked to the sources given. My hope is that those parts of the article which do draw on the Kincaid book NFH mentions can be explicitly stated as such with footnotes and page references, and at the end of that process, all the detritus that the article has accumulated, whether dubious claims about
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the abstract was available on-line, I then politely gave him the opportunity to please post the exact wording/passages so we could understand exactly in what context Ford was referring to. Krishna
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impugning the motives of apparantly all editors who disagree with him (breach of good faith). This I believe has exhausted the patience of the community editing this article, it has certainly exhausted mine. Yes I am polling on the page to see if there is indeed a consensus that his editing has exhausted collective patience.
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Yes. I say old chap my gammar is rather atrocious indeed.However, if you look at my posts, you will undoubtably realize the fact that some rather disingenuous personalities have been soiling the article with unscholarly paeans to the subject. The edits, as they stand, are against the very principles
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and related pages which stem from a DAB page has increased the level of PA's between editors. It needs some mediation between the DAB creator and the editors who request for a reversion of the DAB page. Ironically it seems local knowledge on the part of all involved appears to be limited. 06:15, 27
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are facing a prolonged edit war, with some quite heated words flying around on whether the subject of the article was an islamic fanatic or not, anti kannada / anti hindu or not, a despot or not. Most of the disputed edits are from two or three editors, who have been reverting edits wholesale and
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Feeling frustrated about the whole episode and the huge amount of time that editors have wasted going in circles on this issue, I felt someone had to speak frankly about this unfortunate situation and the quagmire that
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Indeed. The facts are very well displayed on the Talk page, and evidence of KV's editing behaviour is exhaustively displayed there. KV's edits on the topic of chiropractic and homosexuality were persistently deceptive until exposed by User:Steth; however the deeper issue is KV's persistence in
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and its talk page? Article is pretty bad by Wiki standards. I suggested some changes, then made them a week after the suggestion when there was no response. Now I'm the target of personal attacks, while everything has been restored without discussion. -- 15:09, 6 September 2006
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is the subject of an ongoing dispute. I have had fully referenced statements removed as 'unsupported', and anything critical of the Mormon churches seems to be having a hard time getting into the article. Outside views would be welcomed.
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abusing the other editors on that page for their views. Secondary importance, but probably significant for article quality - their english isn't really good or grammatical either. Might be worth a look. 10:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
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and has so far added no edit summary. Could admins please explain to this user the benefits of
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appears to be an advertisement for a legal company trying to drum up business. Not sure about the ettiquette of deleting this type of "talk". 20:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
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confused two sources (Ford and
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J-Pop Group page. While not obviously offensive it is my belief this user uploaded an outdated picture of the group in other to cause strife.00:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
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