290:. The conclusion is valid. If the Fool accepts this validity, it means that he understands what the sentence ∃r. r= C(g) means. We now encounter the problem of semantic closure (see liar - paradox). Understanding any sentence only implies that you have a pair of meanings of the sentence in your head, i.e. that you think a sentence p. This applies regardless of the conclusions of the arguments, regardless of whether these statements refer to real counterparts. Distinction between understanding a statement as meaningful and accepting its statement as real. Does God exist only in the mind or also in reality? The statement that God really exists is regarded as a statement made by someone. The semantic function T implies that this assertion becomes an element of I (idea) - so we arrive at a cyclic form in which we ask ourselves whether ‘g’ is a part of U or V. Each conclusion would start the process all over again. It is therefore semantically inconclusive.
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Gaunilo must allow that this island cannot be thought not to exist. But in Proslogion III Anselm deduces that God exists from the premise that "Whatever is other than You can be thought not to exist". Thus, altering Anselm's formula but adopting his premises, entails that the Lost Island both can and cannot be thought not to exist. Since that is a contradiction, it follows that it is not legitimate to alter Anselm's formula.
224:, to "prove" the existence of the mythical "Lost Island", the greatest or most perfect island: if the island of which we are thinking does not exist, it cannot be the greatest conceivable island, for, to be the greatest conceivable island, it would have to exist, as any existent island would be greater than an imaginary one. This, of course, is merely a direct application of Anselm's own premise that existence is a perfection. Since we can conceive of this greatest or most perfect island, it must, by Anselm's way of thinking, exist. While this argument is absurd, Gaunilo claims that it is
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Haights point out that the logic can be inverted by replacing "greater" with "worse". The statement then follows to a conclusion that the very most bad thing has to be an existent bad thing, because it would be worse for this bad thing to exist than to not exist, therefore it must exist in its absolute badness. Therefore, the Devil must also exist, so long as Anselm's proof is held as consequential.
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absolutely cold (or hot) being that exists in reality is more absolutely cold (or hot) than one that only exists in imagination. Therefore, it must indeed exist in reality. And so on. The
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1828:Emil Brunner
1818:Paul Tillich
1808:Martin Buber
1723:W K Clifford
1700:Afrikan Spir
1615:Thomas Chubb
1567:Early modern
1547:Adi Shankara
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1460:Philosophers
1444:Natural evil
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1336:Spiritualism
1311:Perennialism
1264:Metaphysical
1108:Antireligion
983:Teleological
906:Cosmological
857:Baháʼí Faith
822:Christianity
781:Personal god
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1895:Antony Flew
1880:Peter Geach
1813:René Guénon
1760:Lev Shestov
1755:Rudolf Otto
1462:of religion
1301:Panentheism
1234:Inclusivism
1153:Exclusivism
1148:Esotericism
1118:Creationism
1098:Agnosticism
1066:Poor design
1061:Omnipotence
988:Natural law
963:Ontological
916:Contingency
766:Holy Spirit
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233:ontological
196:reply to it
148:Benedictine
144: 11th
2102:Categories
1865:J L Mackie
1823:Karl Barth
1620:David Hume
1542:Maimonides
1527:Heraclitus
1316:Polytheism
1286:Nondualism
1274:Humanistic
1259:Naturalism
1249:Monotheism
1207:Henotheism
1202:Gnosticism
1133:Demonology
1016:747 gambit
933:Experience
771:Misotheism
400:References
294:Criticisms
226:no more so
189:empiricist
180:Proslogion
80:newspapers
1965:Loyal Rue
1690:Karl Marx
1512:Gaudapada
1341:Shamanism
1306:Pantheism
1291:Nontheism
1269:Religious
1254:Mysticism
1227:Christian
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1168:Atheistic
1163:Christian
1046:Nonbelief
1031:Free will
847:Mormonism
671:Afterlife
350:Parallels
249:one that
137:Gaunillon
2087:Category
2032:Religion
2022:Exegesis
1507:Boethius
1502:Averroes
1497:Avicenna
1479:medieval
1449:Theodicy
1296:Pandeism
1212:Humanism
1180:Thealogy
1123:Dharmism
1093:Acosmism
1085:Theology
953:Morality
948:Miracles
827:Hinduism
817:Buddhism
776:Pandeism
751:Demiurge
719:Theodicy
486:, p. 15.
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214:Gaunilo
169:for the
2058:more...
1791:postwar
1474:Ancient
1362:more...
1281:New Age
1222:Secular
1192:Fideism
1143:Dualism
1113:Atheism
1103:Animism
1009:Against
852:Sikhism
842:Judaism
837:Jainism
746:Brahman
699:Miracle
247:that is
133:Gaunilo
94:scholar
18:Gaunilo
2077:Portal
1351:Theism
1244:Monism
978:Reason
928:Desire
923:Degree
891:Beauty
805:God in
761:Egoism
714:Spirit
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390:Psalms
328:island
253:exist.
163:France
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911:Kalam
862:Wicca
832:Islam
681:Faith
376:Notes
324:thing
304:other
159:Tours
101:JSTOR
87:books
1908:2010
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1036:Hell
1026:Evil
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709:Soul
565:ISBN
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